If disinfecting everything is so important

[The Big Pickle]

I worked in aerospace in Orange County when I lived in Newport Beach....Anaheim is in Orange County
but farther away from the ocean. When Disneyland started Anaheim was 99 percent White...Can you believe that????

This is what happens when you go from Gov Ronald Reagan to a retard commie liberal governor.

Makes me sick to my stomach!

That's why the ONLY place to live in California is Newport Beach or Huntington Beach...

The closer to the water the better!

[Left Seater]

Makes NYC and Cuomo look even worse than they already do when compared to SFO.

[Kierland]

Because they don't go to Bars and Concerts much. They pretty much keep to themselves. Do you have any other dumb questions?

[Mikey]

A couple of reasons why both SF and LA have had much lower COVID-19 rates than NYC.

NYC is by far the most densely populated city in the US and their mass transit system is heavily used, both of which contributed to the rapid spread there.

It's true that SF is also pretty densely populated, but it's only about 1/10th the population of NYC and in the Bay Area they shut things down pretty quickly once the pandemic became known. They do have mass transit but not nearly as heavily used as in NYC. Plus, the homeless don't generally use BART, except that some of them sleep in the stations.

NYC has about 8 million. LA has about 4 million but 12 million in the metro area. The difference here is that LA is a lot more spread out and relatively few people use mass transit. This is a case where SoCal's infamous urban sprawl has worked to its advantage.

An interesting article in the LA Times the other day:

Building dense cities was California’s cure for the housing crisis. Then came coronavirus.

For more than a decade, California lawmakers have pushed with increasing urgency to build more housing near transit stops and job centers. Density, they’ve reasoned, is the best way to control the exploding cost of living and reduce residents’ reliance on carbon-spewing vehicles in a state best known for its sprawling suburbs.

But now density has a new foe: the coronavirus.

Skeptics of greater urbanization say the pandemic has proved that they were right all along, pointing to orders from public health officials to use social distancing to slow the spread of the virus. Even some ardent urbanists worry that the speed with which the virus devastated packed neighborhoods could lead to a backlash against cities.

New York City, the nation’s densest major city, is a hotbed of the outbreak in the United States with more than 150,000 confirmed cases and 11,100 deaths. That state’s governor, Andrew Cuomo, has blamed high-rise apartment complexes and busy subways for the city’s plight.

“Why are we seeing this level of infection? Why cities across the country? It’s very simple. It’s about density,” Cuomo said at a recent news conference, punctuating his statement with a PowerPoint slide emblazoned with “DENSITY” in all capital letters. The coronavirus, the governor continued, “is very contagious. The dense environments are its feeding grounds.”

At the same time, there’s lots of evidence that shows density isn’t destiny.

Highly populated cities in Asia, including Seoul, Tokyo and Hong Kong, have seen a fraction of New York’s cases. The same is true for America’s next densest big city, San Francisco, which issued a shelter-in-place order nearly a week before the East Coast metropolis. As of Saturday, the Bay Area city had reported only about 1,300 confirmed cases — compared with more than 8,450 in the city of Los Angeles.

Nevertheless, speculation about how dense neighborhoods may have contributed to the coronavirus’ spread will almost certainly have an effect on California’s political debates and could affect how the state grows for years to come.

Before now, the state’s march toward densification had been cast as the safest way forward.

Moving from cities dominated by single-family homes toward those with townhomes, apartments and even high-rises would allow for new housing to accommodate job growth without gobbling up outlying areas prone to wildfires and straining water resources.

Calls for greater density have only escalated as massive, wind-driven fires have rampaged through suburban and urban locales. State climate regulators also have said California won’t meet its ambitious greenhouse gas reduction goals without cutbacks in driving — and that will only come if more people live closer to where they work and shop.

Such changes, if enacted, could end up reshaping Los Angeles, which is dominated by single-family homes and seemingly endless stretches of low-rise commercial boulevards. San Francisco, by contrast, has apartment complexes ringing its Financial District and other commercial cores, and about half as much developable land set aside for single-family homes as L.A.

The highest-profile efforts to increase residential density in California have come from state Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco), who tried through Senate Bill 50 to push mid-rise apartments near transit stops and job centers. His legislation failed three times in Sacramento amid opposition from suburban homeowners, low-income tenant advocacy groups and Los Angeles-area lawmakers.

Wiener said Cuomo was wrong to blame density for New York City’s woes and instead should take responsibility for his slow response to the virus. Cities in the Bay Area and around the world have shown that strong, proactive measures from government and public health officials matter much more than how dense a community is when it comes to preventing deaths from COVID-19, he said.

California’s housing and climate change problems aren’t going away, Wiener argued, and adequately addressing them will require more home building in already developed places.

“It’s not environmentally sustainable to keep sprawling out further and further,” said Wiener, who has authored another bill to build more housing in single-family-home neighborhoods.

However, he said he expects longtime opponents of his measures will use the pandemic as another reason to attack them.

And as well they should, said Susan Kirsch, a Marin County activist and former head of Livable California, a slow-growth organization.

Kirsch said the public health guidelines to slow the coronavirus show that efforts to fast-track housing near job centers and prevent neighborhood groups from blocking such developments are a mistake. Millions of Californians are now working from home, she said, taking vehicular traffic off the roads and showing that businesses can function in a more environmentally friendly way, all without the need to upend the state’s landscape.

“If the coronavirus becomes the example where it becomes more clear to everybody how delusional the push for more density is, it shows the opposition we’ve been bringing up all along was well founded,” Kirsch said.

In some ways, the coronavirus outbreak falls in line with viral plagues that have ravaged dense places for millennia, said Edward Glaeser, an economist at Harvard University and author of the book “Triumph of the City.” It’s only recently that metropolises have largely escaped such disasters.

“There are always demons that creep in when human beings are living very close to one another,” he said.

Across the country, denser counties are seeing higher rates of coronavirus infections and deaths from COVID-19, even after taking into account factors such as weather, race and age, according to an analysis by Jed Kolko, chief economist with the jobs website Indeed.

Still, he said a variety of factors associated with denser places, such as being hubs for international air travel, might be a better explanation for the disproportionate number of cases, rather than a simple concentration of apartment dwellers. Also, given the uneven rates of testing and the likelihood that the pandemic is in an early stage of spread, Kolko said the infection patterns may change.

“It’s way too soon to put up the scorecard of how different places will ultimately fare,” he said.

An analysis by New York University’s Furman Center found no relationship between the coronavirus and overall population density within New York City, with neighborhoods in Manhattan, the city’s densest borough, having some of the lowest infection rates. However, the study did find that the virus is more prevalent in areas of New York where more people are crowding into homes.

While Los Angeles isn’t known for its dense landscape, the county is home to five of the 10 most “crowded” ZIP Codes — including the No. 1 most crowded — in the U.S., a recent Times analysis found. That means people are living in neighborhoods dominated by homes with more than one person per room, excluding bathrooms.

Public health officials are especially worried about the close quarters accelerating the spread of the virus.

For decades, discriminatory housing policies and poverty have forced many people of color into the margins of many communities, where there’s little choice but to live in overcrowded homes and apartments, clustered near highways and industrial sites, and away from well-kept parks and other open spaces, said Jay Pitter, a Toronto-based urbanist who has written about the debate over density and the coronavirus.

Such living situations have helped lead to increased rates of diabetes, hypertension and asthma — part of the reason why black Americans are dying from COVID-19 at a much higher rate than white Americans.

“It’s not density itself,” Pitter said. “It is the fact that bad density plus social inequality is a deadly mix.”

Glaeser, who advocates for greater urban development, said that the pandemic has revealed the need for a significant investment in public health to make cities safer and to continue their ascent as economic engines.

Still, the kind of increases in density that are being considered in California doesn’t worry him.

“We’re not exactly talking replacing Beverly Hills with the Dharavi slum here,” Glaeser said. “A little bit of townhouses near BART stations is hardly going to be a recipe for disaster.”

[Kierland]

A couple of reasons why both SF and LA have had much lower COVID-19 rates than NYC.

NYC is by far the most densely populated city in the US and their mass transit system is heavily used, both of which contributed to the rapid spread there.

Add Elevators.

[Mikey]

True

[Left Seater]

Interesting article Mikey.

I will see if I can find the one I read about a week ago on changes the ‘Rona flu was going to make on environmentalism. It was talking about how some stores have banned multi use grocery bags, a good number of them have made it a permanent thing. It also talked about the huge increase in Togo food and the large increase in styrofoam and plastics by the food industry. It was making the case that 2 decades worth of greening the population has been lost.


Another article talked about what might happen if we have a natural disaster in the next few months. Say an earthquake in CA or a hurricane on the East Coast. The normal shelters are not designed for social distancing. How will local governments handle shelters? How will donations make it to the effected areas with so much of the air travel network shut down? How will volunteer search and rescue teams get to the location quickly?

Imagine a storm half as powerful as Sandy hitting NYC in a month...

[Kierland]

More cups sure but have you seen the before and after air pollution pics?

Pretty amazing.

As far as storms and whatnot, hopefully people will understand that one IS going to kill you right now, one MAY kill you in the future.

It's like when I came up on an accident once, lady in a creek in a car upside-down and sucking up water. I start to cut her out and some dude is all: You can't do that she might have a neck injury. End of story is she was fine after being airlifted out.

[Mikey]

No doubt it's a whole new world, and it will be interesting to see how things shake out.

While some environmental trends may see some backsliding, others also may accelerate.

A lot of people have noticed how much cleaner the air is because of so much less driving. Also a lot less air travel and, I would imagine, less electric generation. I haven't seen anything written about the demand on the electric grid but I have to assume that it's gone way down.

So, moving forward, will people be less inclined to commute, if telecommuting is possible? I know I would be. Less inclined to fly on business when they're used to videoconferencing? Personally, I hate flying on any route that takes over an hour and have already been avoiding it. Will people be more inclined to install solar PV on their homes? I have enough capacity already to where I'm probably over producing, considering that I'm only putting about 25 miles a week on my EV, as opposed to 250 during a normal week.

Also, with so many meat packing plants shutting down, will people realize that they can be healthier if they consume less red meat? Pork and cattle production have huge effects on multiple aspects of the environment. I cut my red meat consumption by probably 95% at the beginning of the year, mainly for health reasons, have not felt better for years, and will not go back. If we see shortages of beef and pork, maybe other people will realize that they can eat cheaper and healthier without so much of it.

[Kierland]

Dead Animal Protein is just so yum, but I have been cracking an egg or munching a bunch of beans or nuts to try and cut down too. It's hard for me.

[Mikey]

Yeah I did a couple racks of lamb last week and it was great, but I felt like shit the next day. The bottle of Central Coast Syrah might have had something to do with that.

We're still eating chicken or fish for dinner two to three nights a week, but the red meat has almost disappeared. Scallops last night, chicken thighs tonight. Eggs and cheese are still in, and I still use some ham hocks to make soup.

[Kierland]

I had an awesome (curbside) burger over the weekend for the local burger joint. That will never not be yum.

[Mikey]

We've got possums, squirrels, rabbits, coyotes, red tailed hawks and some doves. No deer.

[Kierland]

If we have a shortage, all I have to do is sit outside at night and wait for a few minutes and kill a deer. There are absolutely tons of them around here.

But what would you do for food the next day?

[Left Seater]

Totally get the some things will backslide while others will accelerate.

What will be interesting to see is if global temperatures are down in April or May. Does the reduction in fossil fuels burned result in a lower erf?

I am one of the few breaking the trend though. I am driving exponentially more. Daily trips to the grocery store, the hardware store, weekend hikes, visiting new sites like the church tour we did a few weeks ago. I have had my current suburban for 14.5 months. In the first 13 months I put 8100 miles on it. In the last 6 weeks I have put 3100 miles on it.

As for the telecommuting we will have to wait and see. I know a good number of people that work for my wife are itching to get back to the office. They have kids and working with the kids there has been a pain. My office manager and accountant both want to get back to the office and have been going into the office alternate days. Others like yourself are loving it.

[Kierland]

But don't you fly less? I hear those things use fossil fuels.

[Mikey]

Around here there are lots of people worried about "chem trails."

LS have you ever sprayed any of that mind control shit over large populated areas?

[Kierland]

... weed sales are through the roof

I don't know about retail, but wholesale prices are up.

[Left Seater]

Around here there are lots of people worried about "chem trails."

LS have you ever sprayed any of that mind control shit over large populated areas?

You should introduce those people to Softball Bat. The chem trails and flat erf crowds seem ready made for each other.

[Smackie Chan]

It's like when I came up on an accident once...

...I asked the guy, who had apparently just been hit by a city bus and was lying injured near the side of the street, if anyone had called 9-1-1. He shook his head "no." I asked him if anyone had called his insurance company. Again, head shook "no." Same answer when I asked if an attorney had been contacted. I asked him, "Mind if I lie down next to you?" <rimshot>

[Screw_Michigan]

A couple of reasons why both SF and LA have had much lower COVID-19 rates than NYC.

NYC is by far the most densely populated city in the US and their mass transit system is heavily used, both of which contributed to the rapid spread there.

It's true that SF is also pretty densely populated, but it's only about 1/10th the population of NYC and in the Bay Area they shut things down pretty quickly once the pandemic became known. They do have mass transit but not nearly as heavily used as in NYC. Plus, the homeless don't generally use BART, except that some of them sleep in the stations.

NYC has about 8 million. LA has about 4 million but 12 million in the metro area. The difference here is that LA is a lot more spread out and relatively few people use mass transit. This is a case where SoCal's infamous urban sprawl has worked to its advantage.

An interesting article in the LA Times the other day:

Building dense cities was California’s cure for the housing crisis. Then came coronavirus.

A very disingenuous story, Michael. Seoul and Hong Kong are two of the densest cities in the world, and Taiwan, too. They also have much much better Covid containment rates? Why? Much better testing and a full throated federal government response, compared to the joke that our federal government is doing here.

California also locked down two weeks earlier than NYC, which waited until after March 12.

[Mikey]

I wouldn’t necessarily say disingenuous. More like it’s complicated, and there are multiple interactive factors (cultural, physical, legal, not having a fat stupid narcissistic moron in charge, etc) that are influencing different cities’ relative success or failure in dealing with the pandemic.

LA’s sprawl, whether it’s a bad thing environmentally or not, definitely gives it an advantage over a much denser NYC. There are areas in LA, mostly lower income, that are more densely populated than others, and they have suffered a greater effect of the pandemic.

[Screw_Michigan]

I wouldn’t necessarily say disingenuous. More like it’s complicated, and there are multiple interactive factors (cultural, physical, legal, not having a fat stupid narcissistic moron in charge, etc) that are influencing different cities’ relative success or failure in dealing with the pandemic.

LA’s sprawl, whether it’s a bad thing environmentally or not, definitely gives it an advantage over a much denser NYC. There are areas in LA, mostly lower income, that are more densely populated than others, and they have suffered a greater effect of the pandemic.

I think it's more lots of people in one home than simply density that is driving Covid 19. Case in point--why was the City of Detroit such a hotspot? Detroit is one of the least dense major cities in the nation. Almost no high rises outside downtown and the city, by land mass, is huge. It's because lots of people sharing homes and lots of multi-generational housing. Also, tons of frontline workers. And, of course, it's one of the poorest cities in the nation.

Also take in point, Corona NY in Queens. This is a part of Queens that is much less dense than say the Financial District and most of Manhattan. But why was Corona hit so hard? Lots of working class immigrants working front line jobs who are also packed into homes.

This is a much more accurate answer than "Density is FUELING covid-19! Look at NYC!" (which I am not accusing you of saying, but I am seeing from simpletons).

[Diego in Seattle]

It should also be interesting to find out how many of the dead didn't have health insurance.

[smackaholic]

A couple of reasons why both SF and LA have had much lower COVID-19 rates than NYC.

NYC is by far the most densely populated city in the US and their mass transit system is heavily used, both of which contributed to the rapid spread there.

It's true that SF is also pretty densely populated, but it's only about 1/10th the population of NYC and in the Bay Area they shut things down pretty quickly once the pandemic became known. They do have mass transit but not nearly as heavily used as in NYC. Plus, the homeless don't generally use BART, except that some of them sleep in the stations.

NYC has about 8 million. LA has about 4 million but 12 million in the metro area. The difference here is that LA is a lot more spread out and relatively few people use mass transit. This is a case where SoCal's infamous urban sprawl has worked to its advantage.

An interesting article in the LA Times the other day:

Building dense cities was California’s cure for the housing crisis. Then came coronavirus.

For more than a decade, California lawmakers have pushed with increasing urgency to build more housing near transit stops and job centers. Density, they’ve reasoned, is the best way to control the exploding cost of living and reduce residents’ reliance on carbon-spewing vehicles in a state best known for its sprawling suburbs.

But now density has a new foe: the coronavirus.

Skeptics of greater urbanization say the pandemic has proved that they were right all along, pointing to orders from public health officials to use social distancing to slow the spread of the virus. Even some ardent urbanists worry that the speed with which the virus devastated packed neighborhoods could lead to a backlash against cities.

New York City, the nation’s densest major city, is a hotbed of the outbreak in the United States with more than 150,000 confirmed cases and 11,100 deaths. That state’s governor, Andrew Cuomo, has blamed high-rise apartment complexes and busy subways for the city’s plight.

“Why are we seeing this level of infection? Why cities across the country? It’s very simple. It’s about density,” Cuomo said at a recent news conference, punctuating his statement with a PowerPoint slide emblazoned with “DENSITY” in all capital letters. The coronavirus, the governor continued, “is very contagious. The dense environments are its feeding grounds.”

At the same time, there’s lots of evidence that shows density isn’t destiny.

Highly populated cities in Asia, including Seoul, Tokyo and Hong Kong, have seen a fraction of New York’s cases. The same is true for America’s next densest big city, San Francisco, which issued a shelter-in-place order nearly a week before the East Coast metropolis. As of Saturday, the Bay Area city had reported only about 1,300 confirmed cases — compared with more than 8,450 in the city of Los Angeles.

Nevertheless, speculation about how dense neighborhoods may have contributed to the coronavirus’ spread will almost certainly have an effect on California’s political debates and could affect how the state grows for years to come.

Before now, the state’s march toward densification had been cast as the safest way forward.

Moving from cities dominated by single-family homes toward those with townhomes, apartments and even high-rises would allow for new housing to accommodate job growth without gobbling up outlying areas prone to wildfires and straining water resources.

Calls for greater density have only escalated as massive, wind-driven fires have rampaged through suburban and urban locales. State climate regulators also have said California won’t meet its ambitious greenhouse gas reduction goals without cutbacks in driving — and that will only come if more people live closer to where they work and shop.

Such changes, if enacted, could end up reshaping Los Angeles, which is dominated by single-family homes and seemingly endless stretches of low-rise commercial boulevards. San Francisco, by contrast, has apartment complexes ringing its Financial District and other commercial cores, and about half as much developable land set aside for single-family homes as L.A.

The highest-profile efforts to increase residential density in California have come from state Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco), who tried through Senate Bill 50 to push mid-rise apartments near transit stops and job centers. His legislation failed three times in Sacramento amid opposition from suburban homeowners, low-income tenant advocacy groups and Los Angeles-area lawmakers.

Wiener said Cuomo was wrong to blame density for New York City’s woes and instead should take responsibility for his slow response to the virus. Cities in the Bay Area and around the world have shown that strong, proactive measures from government and public health officials matter much more than how dense a community is when it comes to preventing deaths from COVID-19, he said.

California’s housing and climate change problems aren’t going away, Wiener argued, and adequately addressing them will require more home building in already developed places.

“It’s not environmentally sustainable to keep sprawling out further and further,” said Wiener, who has authored another bill to build more housing in single-family-home neighborhoods.

However, he said he expects longtime opponents of his measures will use the pandemic as another reason to attack them.

And as well they should, said Susan Kirsch, a Marin County activist and former head of Livable California, a slow-growth organization.

Kirsch said the public health guidelines to slow the coronavirus show that efforts to fast-track housing near job centers and prevent neighborhood groups from blocking such developments are a mistake. Millions of Californians are now working from home, she said, taking vehicular traffic off the roads and showing that businesses can function in a more environmentally friendly way, all without the need to upend the state’s landscape.

“If the coronavirus becomes the example where it becomes more clear to everybody how delusional the push for more density is, it shows the opposition we’ve been bringing up all along was well founded,” Kirsch said.

In some ways, the coronavirus outbreak falls in line with viral plagues that have ravaged dense places for millennia, said Edward Glaeser, an economist at Harvard University and author of the book “Triumph of the City.” It’s only recently that metropolises have largely escaped such disasters.

“There are always demons that creep in when human beings are living very close to one another,” he said.

Across the country, denser counties are seeing higher rates of coronavirus infections and deaths from COVID-19, even after taking into account factors such as weather, race and age, according to an analysis by Jed Kolko, chief economist with the jobs website Indeed.

Still, he said a variety of factors associated with denser places, such as being hubs for international air travel, might be a better explanation for the disproportionate number of cases, rather than a simple concentration of apartment dwellers. Also, given the uneven rates of testing and the likelihood that the pandemic is in an early stage of spread, Kolko said the infection patterns may change.

“It’s way too soon to put up the scorecard of how different places will ultimately fare,” he said.

An analysis by New York University’s Furman Center found no relationship between the coronavirus and overall population density within New York City, with neighborhoods in Manhattan, the city’s densest borough, having some of the lowest infection rates. However, the study did find that the virus is more prevalent in areas of New York where more people are crowding into homes.

While Los Angeles isn’t known for its dense landscape, the county is home to five of the 10 most “crowded” ZIP Codes — including the No. 1 most crowded — in the U.S., a recent Times analysis found. That means people are living in neighborhoods dominated by homes with more than one person per room, excluding bathrooms.

Public health officials are especially worried about the close quarters accelerating the spread of the virus.

For decades, discriminatory housing policies and poverty have forced many people of color into the margins of many communities, where there’s little choice but to live in overcrowded homes and apartments, clustered near highways and industrial sites, and away from well-kept parks and other open spaces, said Jay Pitter, a Toronto-based urbanist who has written about the debate over density and the coronavirus.

Such living situations have helped lead to increased rates of diabetes, hypertension and asthma — part of the reason why black Americans are dying from COVID-19 at a much higher rate than white Americans.

“It’s not density itself,” Pitter said. “It is the fact that bad density plus social inequality is a deadly mix.”

Glaeser, who advocates for greater urban development, said that the pandemic has revealed the need for a significant investment in public health to make cities safer and to continue their ascent as economic engines.

Still, the kind of increases in density that are being considered in California doesn’t worry him.

“We’re not exactly talking replacing Beverly Hills with the Dharavi slum here,” Glaeser said. “A little bit of townhouses near BART stations is hardly going to be a recipe for disaster.”

Interesting article.

I think we've learned a few things from this.

Packing people together and relying on very crowded mass transit means when a bug gets loose, it will spread on a large scale very rapidly.

So, what do we do?

Get used to masks. I am sure I am not the only one that found it odd that those wacky asians have been doing masks on a fairly high scale for years.

I think we know why now.

Some want to blame TBOM and his bumbling for our problems with this compared to the SoKos, who handled it pretty damn well. Practice makes perfect.

There is another thing I would like to see come from this and Cali is the perfect place for it, large scale bike commuting.

You have bike friendly weather year around and if I am not mistaken, a pretty good chunk of LA and OC are reasonably flat, so a 10 mile work commute would be perfectly doable for most. Add ebikes and you can easily double that.

Fairly high density neighborhoods ringing around commercial centers and plenty of high capacity bike lanes would work well.

In my last job, I did some bike commuting and I highly recommend it. A 45 minute high tempo bike ride is the best way to start the day. Wish I had done it more.

[Left Seater]

California also locked down two weeks earlier than NYC, which waited until after March 12.

Just another data point that Cuomo is in over his head.

[Kierland]

It should also be interesting to find out how many of the dead didn't have health insurance.

It should also be interesting to find out how many of the dead were in public hospitals as opposed to private hospitals.

And break down not for profit and for profit private hospitals.
And state run vs VA hospitals.

[Kierland]

Fat
Inbred
Tard

[Screw_Michigan]

It should also be interesting to find out how many of the dead were in public hospitals as opposed to private hospitals.

Just mail bomb them

[Screw_Michigan]

Huh, I wonder what the difference is?

[Left Seater]

Cuomo, clearly.


You don’t see San Francisco which has about the same density as Hong Kong. You don’t see Boston which is just below Bangkok.

So it clearly isn’t a systemic issue to the US. Has to be Cuomo.

[Screw_Michigan]

Is Cuomo running for president in November?

We'll be at 60,000 deaths by the weekend. Quite the campaign platform.

[Derron]

Huh, I wonder what the difference is?

Clearly a Democratic governor fucked this one up big time. How is that going to play on MSM when the DNC trots Cuomo out when Joe is finally committed ?

Interesting as this plays out. The liberal government loving honks like Screwed in the Ass cite all kinds of death statistics ( out of context of course) and are still hand wringing about keeping society completely locked down, yet offer no solutions to the problems this is creating in the economy, including state governments failing to produce unemployment benefits and the HUGE numbers of unemployed and closed business's.

Now we know that Screwed in the Ass does not give a fuck about other communities as he so eloquently stated, and the constant mantra of keeping shit locked down is repeated constantly by the liberal left, because that is what the government narrative across is. I think you speak only for yourself and you own group of government tit sucking homies who still have jobs and who's only hobby is to repeat a dozen or more times a day " Trump is a cocksucker".

You best not be on the streets of a normal city, excepting your precious little government employee enclave of DC, where of course everyone still has jobs, when all these unemployed reach the last of what savings they had, the fridge and cupboards are empty and the kids need diapers and food.

I would like to ask you a couple specific questions, which you will of course not answer as per your usual schtick,

1. What should the states do when they cannot process unemployment claims and pay benefits as promised ?

2. Should the Feds bail out the troubled states to the tune of the billions of dollars each state needs to cover their own revenue shortfalls?

3. At what point do you open the economy back up ?

[Kierland]

Clearly Dump fucked this one up big time. How is that going to play on The altright when the GOP trots Out Vheetolini with a bleach needle in his arm?

Interesting as this plays out. The klepto honks like BrokenPsyche cite all kinds of death statistics ( out of context of course) and are still hand wringing about Getting back to work, yet offer no solutions to the problems this would create medically they don’t care that Donny and Nancy are lining rich peoples’ pockets and that there are HUGE numbers of unemployed and closed business that actually need the money.

Now we know that Duhron does not give a fuck about other communities as he so clumsily stated, and the constant mantra of “fake news” and misinformation is repeated constantly by the twats like 88, because that is what the echo chamber tells them to say. I think you speak only for yourself and you own group of government tit sucking Tweakers who's only hobby is to repeat a dozen or more times a day " Trump’s cock tastes good".




I could go on but you are too stupid to even understand that so why bother?

[EAP]

Huh, I wonder what the difference is?

Democrats in charge

Kierland ignores this graph because he's a low IQ cocksucker.

But it also raises the alarm about the nature of this.
Why are all other worldwide cities unaffected compared with NY.
If the chinese government were going to unleash an attack, it makes sense.
Those cities also have millions living in close quarters, taking subways and trains.

[TONTO]

TONTO remember when life beautiful and not full of hate.

Life celebration of mind and spirit.

[Left Seater]

Is Cuomo running for president in November?

We'll be at 60,000 deaths by the weekend. Quite the campaign platform.

Thankfully no. He shouldn't run for governor or even dog catcher based on these numbers.

But way to show your bias. Cuomo gets zero criticism from you because he is on Team D. So pathetic.

[Kierland]

But way to show your bias. Dump gets 45 seconds of criticism from you because he is on Team R. So pathetic.

[Left Seater]

Get real for once.

I will call out what he has done right and what he hasn't. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Left Seater]

TONTO remember when life beautiful and not full of hate.

Life celebration of mind and spirit.

Really? Then why were Indians fighting with neighboring tribes? Why did the kill each other?