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Guilty until proven innocent, a first-hand experience.


I flew to LA for a conference the day before Thanksgiving.
In LA, my wife and I met up with group of 16 Koreans who then went with us on a mission trip from LA to Houston.
We drove two 15-passenger vans and had overnights in Phoenix, Tucson, El Paso, Fredericksburg, and College Station, before ending up in H-Town.
I drove one of the vans the entire way from LA to Houston.

A few nights ago we were driving (7PM, dark) about 70 mile west of Fredericksburg (TX).
The speed limit was 80, and I was going about 75mph.
A police car passed me, but then the copper slowed his speed until he was going about 60, at which point I was getting up close enough behind him that I really need to pass him.
I said to my traveling partner in the passenger's seat, "Hey this is a police car, and it is going about 20 miles under the speed limit. Should I pass him?"
My partner didn't give me much of a response.

I didn't like the idea of passing a police car, so I just stayed behind him, and my speed had gradually dropped to about 60.
Should I pass him or not pass him?

Then a car came up behind me, going 75 or 80, and the car passed me, and the car also passed the police car.
After this, I decided, "Okay, I might as well also pass the police car."
So, I passed the police car going 75 to 80.

Right after I passed the police car, the police car increased its speed until it was trailing me pretty closely, but not passing me.
This went on for about a mile, and I did not like having a police car trailing me so closely like this, and I felt like this was not ordinary.

And sure enough, the police lights started flashing, and the copper pulled me, and my nine Korean passengers over.
My wife was one of the passengers, and she is of Korean descent, but is a US citizen.

The officer comes to my window and says, "Sir, You were going about 20 mph under the speed limit, so I had to pull you over. I need to see your license and your proof of insurance."
I gave him my license and told him I needed to get the van rental agreement (insurance info) from my backpack in the back of the van.
And I was thinking, "Hey dude, YOU were the one who was going 20 mph under the limit."

So, he let me go to the back of the van and get the rental agreement, which I gave to him.

He left me standing by the side of the road (pretty chilly outside that night) while he went to his car to check my license and insurance info.
The Koreans in the van were like... :shock:

Then a few minutes later, copper comes out of his car and starts to question me.
"Who are the people in the van? Where are you going?"
I told him we were on a mission trip. We began in LA, and we are going to Houston, where we will return the van and the Koreans will then fly back to Korea. I told him we were in El Paso last night, and we are palnning to sleep in Fredericksburg tonight.

Copper then told me to stay where I am, because he is going to go over to the van and talk to the people in the van. He asked me if any of them speak English. I told him, "Yes, a number of them do."

He goes to the van and my wife starts to respond to him.
He calls her out of the van and then they are talking for a couple of minutes. My wife verified the story that I had told him a few minutes earlier.
Then I hear him say, "Okay, I need to see the passports for all of you."

I was thinking... "What? Why do they need to prove that they belong here? Nobody here has done anything wrong. We are just simply traveling on the freeway."

So, they all fish their passports out of their suitcases/backpacks and give them to Mr. Officer.
He walks past me and says, "I need to go to my car and check these out. If everything checks out okay, I will just give you a warning and you'll be on your way."
I said, "Am I okay to get back in the van?"
He says, "Yes."

We all wait in the van and he comes back to my window about 5 minutes later and says, "Everything checked out okay. Here is your license and rental agreement, Sir. And here are the eight passports (my wife had given him her drivers license, since she is a citizen and wasn't carrying a passport.) You are free to go."


The officer told my wife that he was suspicious of us because had a large passenger van that was rented in LA, and we were driving in a region where there are a lot of illegals, and a lot of human trafficking is going on.
The officer saw that one Caucasian was driving a large van full of people of another nationality, and he thought there was a good chance that this was a human trafficking situation.

He did not admit to my wife that he caused me to drive 20 mph under the speed limit, and then use that as a reason for pulling me over, but that is what he did.

We were guilty until we could prove our innocence.
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HighPlainsGrifter wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:15 pm Poptart and the Nine Koreans needs to be a band name.

And this story the basis for one of their new songs. "Them bastards in Fredericksburg profiled my posse"
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I’m all about the 4th Amendment, but I side with the coppers on this one. No offense pops
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Why?

I was just driving a van that I rented, with 9 of my Korean fliends.

What were we doing that was suspicious?
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Softball Bat wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:00 am
What were we doing that was suspicious?
It was clearly explained to you, your response was satisfactory and you went about your evening.

Do you need a tissue or an asswipe?
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Was anyone else hoping that story would include manacles, pepper spray, rubber bullets and tasers and perhaps a harrowing second chapter from inside a west Texas jail?
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I would have charged you with felonious use of a keyboard.
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I confuse Koreans with Hispanics all the time.
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mvscal wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:11 am
Softball Bat wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:00 am
What were we doing that was suspicious?
It was clearly explained to you, your response was satisfactory and you went about your evening.

Do you need a tissue or an asswipe?
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Dr_Phibes wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:05 am I confuse Koreans with Hispanics all the time.
Well, we can't expect a white Central Texas police officer to be hip to such nuances, Phibes.
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Softball Bat wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:00 am What were we doing that was suspicious?

Driving while Asian.
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Dr_Phibes wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:05 am I confuse Koreans with Hispanics all the time.
Right. Because Asians are never trafficked into the country.

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I don't know how it is in Texas but around here if you're traveling under 80mph on the interstate, you better have a good reason (motorhome, 1990's Toyota 4Runner, heavy trailer, child sex trafficking, etc.) Everyone does 84.825mph. Even the OTR trucks are hucking along at 79.125.

I don't like that the cop set you up by going slow, but reacting by going slow is a little suspicious. He isn't wrong to check you out. In the future, make sure your missionaries are kinda homely like that Betty Wang chick the Canadian poster was obsessing over back in the day. What ever happened to that weirdo, btw?
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Softball Bat wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:45 am
Dr_Phibes wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:05 am I confuse Koreans with Hispanics all the time.
Well, we can't expect a white Central Texas police officer to be hip to such nuances, Phibes.
Sounds like you were dealing with a quota-filling moron incapable of tying his own shoes. In future, I would try baffling them with bullshite.

Claim to be a group of Korean loggers headed to Canada looking for work and you took a wrong turn, where can you find Canadian customs? Offer him some warm soup and some freshly cut wood.
Confuse the situation by calling him 'gringo'. Maybe he'll think he himself accidentally strayed into Mexico.

And as a solution to this highway persecution from jack-booted thugs, I suggest this: PAY TAXES.

Ticketing will cease to be an essential form of revenue and you can drive however the hell you want on the highway.*

* (the only downside, everyone else drives however the hell they want. It's total anarchy :( )
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Driving from LA to Houston is suspicious enough. 24 hours of driving, screw that. Then add to the fact you didn’t take the direct route and diverted via Fredericksburg.

But what exactly was the mission, smuggling humans?
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Left Seater wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:13 pm Driving from LA to Houston is suspicious enough. 24 hours of driving, screw that. Then add to the fact you didn’t take the direct route and diverted via Fredericksburg.

But what exactly was the mission, smuggling humans?
poptart wrote:We drove two 15-passenger vans and had overnights in Phoenix, Tucson, El Paso, Fredericksburg, and College Station, before ending up in H-Town.
We "diverted via Fredericksburg" because going to College Station was part of our mission.
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If you didn't stop for some 'Q in Fredricksburg, your whole trip was a waste.
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We had no time to do anything in Fredericksburg.

Got in to our Airbnb (18 of us) around 8:30 PM, ate, slept, and were up at 6:00 the next morning.

Same basic drill in Phoenix, Tucson, El Paso, and College Station.
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Softball Bat wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2024 3:16 pm our mission

What were the goals or objectives of your mission? Was it successful?
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2nd on what was the mission?
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Left Seater wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2024 5:06 pm 2nd on what was the mission?
That's classified information.
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Isaiah 60:1-3 is the mission.

My wife and I are sent from Korea to America as missionaries.
We are doing college ministry.

The people accompanying us on the trip are involved with our mission in various capacities, and all in prayer.
Half of them (at least) had never been in America.
It was an opportunity for them to experience the field in America, and to go back to Korea with a more clear understanding and vision.
Their prayer will be different now.
The mission trip was for all of us.

We visited ASU, The University of Arizona, Texas A&M, and numerous other places.

Every day is successful for us.
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Softball Bat wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:13 pm Isaiah 60:1-3 is the mission.
This? If so, I'm still not quite following the mission.

My guess is that y'all have been trying to convert people to your particular version of Christianity, but not quite sure.
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Darkness covers the earth, and thick darkness is over the peoples.
It is destruction.

God has sent the Light.

Come into the Light.
It is Life.
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So how many people were you able to convert?
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Softball Bat wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:13 pm Isaiah 60:1-3 is the mission.

My wife and I are sent from Korea to America as missionaries.
We are doing college ministry.

The people accompanying us on the trip are involved with our mission in various capacities, and all in prayer.
Half of them (at least) had never been in America.
It was an opportunity for them to experience the field in America, and to go back to Korea with a more clear understanding and vision.
Their prayer will be different now.
The mission trip was for all of us.

We visited ASU, The University of Arizona, Texas A&M, and numerous other places.

Every day is successful for us.
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Why not Texas Austin? You had to have gone through Austin. You also had to have gone through the heart of the Central Texas BBQ belt and didn't stop. A lot of those places feature Korean Q. Your priorities are whack.
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mvscal wrote:Why not Texas Austin?
Our camp was for six days.
We traveled through SoCal, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas... to Houston.
It was not possible to go to every venue we considered.
UT was under consideration during our palnning phase (many other places were as well), but Austin/UT did not end up fitting into our schedule.


Roux wrote:So how many people were you able to convert?
It is not possible for me to calculate how many souls will end up being saved because of our camp.
The camp was very significant and historic.

Saving souls today was not the focus of our trip.
It was more about the big picture, and establishment of the very important spiritual system.

There were 18 members of our team, and 11 or 12 of them spoke very little English.
We were at ASU on a day (Sunday) when very few people were on campus, and we were there for less than two hours.

We were at The University of Arizona for about two hours, and we were at A&M for about three hours.

Five souls were saved on days of our trip.
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Softball Bat wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2024 10:16 pm Five souls were saved on days of our trip.


Right on!

How many souls were saved on days when you weren't trippin'?
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I have so many questions.

When you roll up on a site, do you have prior arrangements made for a location, focus, and direction? Like, do you have a scripted message and do local members of your denomination prepare an area for your visit?

What does salvation entail? Baptism, a verbal oath, inner commitment, etc? How long does it take to fully explain what the person is accepting?

What kind of post-oath/baptism fellowship is available to the newly saved? Do you have local church members in these areas to continue guiding and supporting these new followers of Christ?
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Just speaking of what happened on this particular trip...


We had no prior arrangements at any venue that we rolled up on.
No local denomination members in any location that we went to were involved in, or notified of, our presence in a location.

The majority of our group on this trip does not speak English, so these 11 or 12 people had no dialogue with anyone, except in a few cases where I saw members of our group evangelizing via translation done by one of the group members who does speak English.
There were basically just 6 or 7 of us who were actually speaking to people at the venues that we entered in to.
I am aware that some of our group members who do not speak English did pass out gospel materials to people who were willing to take them.

There is no scripted message, although we do have some common materials that we use to show people what the gospel is.
All of us have the same basic understanding of the gospel, but each person in our group freely operates and deals with people as they are led to do.
We share the message of salvation as we are led to share it.

John 1:12 is salvation.
Rescuing souls from the prince of the power of the air, through simple trust in Christ, and into the eternal Kingdom of God. Ephesians 2:1-7.

Baptism is something the believers ought to have, and hopefully will have, but it is not something we dealt with on this trip.

Each person who received Jesus Christ through us on this trip is being followed up with via Zoom.

This trip was not about an intensive evangelism effort in any certain location.
It was a trip about an overview, and a trip for our camp members.
There were no previously established disciples in any location that we went to, so we were going "cold" into each location.

Five people did receive Jesus Christ, and as they are followed up with, future trips to meet them or "connect" them will be planned.
The Holy Spirit lives in a new believer (1 Cor. 3:16), so the Holy Spirit will perfectly guide them, and us.
And God continues to lead us each day by His Word.
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Why would you bring people who can't speak English to proselytize in the United States? That makes no sense at all unless you were actually a sex trafficker.
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mvscal wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:36 am Why would you bring people who can't speak English to proselytize in the United States? That makes no sense at all unless you were actually a sex trafficker.
Donations to the mission trip were made exclusively in cash and transactions took place in the back of the van?
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