T1B

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:37 pm**

Is there anyone here who can defend Trump’s pardons of criminals who were proven to have violently assaulted police officers on January 6, beyond -

Muuhhh Biden
Muuhhh Antifa

Back the Blue indeed.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:53 pm**

Muuhhhh Trump!!!

They were treated very poorly.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:17 pm**

Whatever The Führer tells us to think and believe... we will faithfully fall in line.

-Dumbfuckistanians

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:21 pm**

If it was the other way around he’d be calling for the death penalty.

And so would the silent T1B MAGAt trolls.

To paraphrase my Sainted mother, if you can’t find anything nice to say about your POS demigod, then just keep your mouth shut.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:11 pm**

Soooo, you guys were ok with Biden's preemptive pardons??

Trump as always said he'd be pardoning the J6 folks. He absolutely should have.

Now Biden kept saying he wasn't going to pardon Hunter?

Refresh my memory - what did he end up doing?

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:44 pm**

Muuhhh Biden!!
Nice.

I hope you stupid cunts are happy. This is what you voted for.
And it’s only beginning.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:57 pm**

All pardons are tolerated now. The whole clemency system is fucked permanently. There is no pardon off the table. Ever again. And yes, Biden did that.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:00 pm**

HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:57 pm All pardons are tolerated now. The whole clemency system is fucked permanently. There is no pardon off the table. Ever again. And yes, Biden did that.

I laughed.

Now Biden is responsible for pardoning people that assault police officers.

Funny, I don't recall Biden pardoning people that assaulted police officers. Maybe you can link me up.

Too funny.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:04 pm**

HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:57 pm All pardons are tolerated now. The whole clemency system is fucked permanently. There is no pardon off the table. Ever again. And yes, Biden did that.

Not defending Biden, but none of his pardons were for anybody even accused of violently attacking police officers, or anything close. Mostly pardoned against blatant political retribution that was promised by your Dear Leader. But keep on with your false equivalence. Now Dear Leader has a ready excuse, in your mind, for anything he tries to pull. Whatever happened to taking the high road even though you have a falsely perceived excuse to take the lowest road possible?

So, you think that Biden's pardons justify Trump letting these thugs out of jail, and you can't think of any other justification? Just fucking sad.

F- on responding to the initial post.

Shows how much you really respect Trump. Apparently you expect him and, in fact, encourage him to use any excuse he can make up to justify any kind of shit he wants to pull. And you are happy to go along with it. Like I said, you voted for this sad POS. Deal with it.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:14 pm**

What do you want to hear? Presidents have legal standing to do this. Biden did things no president has ever done and at a scale no one has ever seen. You didn't say shit then. You want to play BuTiTsNoTtHeSaMe!!! go right ahead. Scream into the void. Then go fuck yourselves.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:21 pm**

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:04 pm
HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:57 pm All pardons are tolerated now. The whole clemency system is fucked permanently. There is no pardon off the table. Ever again. And yes, Biden did that.
Not defending Biden, but none of his pardons were for anybody even accused of violently attacking police officers, or anything close. Mostly pardoned against blatant political retribution that was promised by your Dear Leader. But keep on with your false equivalence. Now Dear Leader has a ready excuse, in your mind, for anything he tries to pull. Whatever happened to taking the high road even though you have a falsely perceived excuse to take the lowest road possible?

So, you think that Biden's pardons justify Trump letting these thugs out of jail, and you can't think of any other justification? Just fucking sad.

F- on responding to the initial post.

Shows how much you really respect Trump. Apparently you expect him and, in fact, encourage him to use any excuse he can make up to justify any kind of shit he wants to pull. And you are happy to go along with it. Like I said, you voted for this sad POS. Deal with it.

You can't keep citing J6 and ignoring the "Summer of Love" in 2020, where violence was exponentially worse.

Trump is on a mission now - one that the American people are expecting.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:39 pm**

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:37 pm Is there anyone here who can defend Trump’s pardons of criminals who were proven to have violently assaulted police officers on January 6

I do not support the pardons granted to violent protestors at all. Those pardons are indefensible in my opinion.

There should have been a close review of every case. The hundreds of people who were fucked over by the DOJ for walking through doors held open by Capitol Police should have been pardoned. And there should have been a full investigation of the police brutality that day. There are some recently released videos that show that no violence occurred at the Capitol until the Capitol Police started shooting pepper spray rounds into the faces of those shouting on the steps and lobbing flash bangs into the crowd. It was a shit show. Crimes were committed. There should have been a fair investigation and many should have been incarcerated and many should have lost their jobs. Instead, it was a political theatre and you now have pardons granted like dandelion seeds in the wind. Stupid. That kind of tit-for-tat hurts the respect of the public in the institutions of government. Biden's corrupt DOJ should not have fucked as many people over as it did. But Trump's machete use of the pardon power is equally bad.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:53 pm**

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:39 pm But Trump's machete use of the pardon power is equally bad.

Not even close.

Did Biden pardon people assaulting police officers protecting the capital?

When someone uses the word but to start a sentence. They're about to make a justification for what they're about to say.

Own it.

You voted for this ass clown criminal that could care less about you or the law. Unfortunately for you. You're going to learn this the hard way.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:09 pm**

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:39 pm There are some recently released videos that show that no violence occurred at the Capitol until the Capitol Police started shooting pepper spray rounds into the faces of those shouting on the steps and lobbing flash bangs into the crowd. It was a shit show.

Please provide links to these videos. I'm betting that you made the right choice not to practice criminal law...

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:33 pm**

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:09 pm
88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:39 pm There are some recently released videos that show that no violence occurred at the Capitol until the Capitol Police started shooting pepper spray rounds into the faces of those shouting on the steps and lobbing flash bangs into the crowd. It was a shit show.
Please provide links to these videos. I'm betting that you made the right choice not to practice criminal law...

Seriously. This is a complete crock, 88. I thought that you might have a better grasp of logic than this. It's like assuming a contrapositive. No video or even combination of videos possibly could show that. Only that, in some isolated cases, one may have followed the other, and could easily be manipulated by the videographer or editor.

And even they if did use pepper spray, wouldn't the cops be within their purview, or whatever, to escalate if after using verbal demands an obviously aggressive crowd failed to disperse? Your guy now in office would have them start shooting. He has as much as said so. You all are really twisting yourselves into pretzels to try and justify this.

I would really like to see the videos that your are referring to.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:41 pm**

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:33 pm
Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:09 pm
88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:39 pm There are some recently released videos that show that no violence occurred at the Capitol until the Capitol Police started shooting pepper spray rounds into the faces of those shouting on the steps and lobbing flash bangs into the crowd. It was a shit show.
Please provide links to these videos. I'm betting that you made the right choice not to practice criminal law...
Seriously. This is a complete crock, 88. I thought that you might have a better grasp of logic than this. It's like assuming a contrapositive. No video or even combination of videos possibly could show that. Only that, in some isolated cases, one may have followed the other, and could easily be manipulated by the videographer or editor.

And even they if did use pepper spray, wouldn't the cops be within their purview, or whatever, to escalate if after using verbal demands an obviously aggressive crowd failed to disperse? Your guy now in office would have them start shooting. He has as much as said so. You all are really twisting yourselves into pretzels to try and justify this.

I would really like to see the videos that your are referring to.

I've seen the video. It lays out events chronologically and certainly introduces some valid questions.

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:46 pm**

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:09 pm
88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:39 pm There are some recently released videos that show that no violence occurred at the Capitol until the Capitol Police started shooting pepper spray rounds into the faces of those shouting on the steps and lobbing flash bangs into the crowd. It was a shit show.
Please provide links to these videos. I'm betting that you made the right choice not to practice criminal law...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2c50Vk ... gelesTimes

Posted: **Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:53 pm**

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:46 pm
Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:09 pm
88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:39 pm There are some recently released videos that show that no violence occurred at the Capitol until the Capitol Police started shooting pepper spray rounds into the faces of those shouting on the steps and lobbing flash bangs into the crowd. It was a shit show.
Please provide links to these videos. I'm betting that you made the right choice not to practice criminal law...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2c50Vk ... gelesTimes

I watched about half of the video but don't apparently see what you saw. Yes it was disturbing. I saw some rioters being mistreated by the big bad cops, using non-lethal crowd control. In the first ten seconds they were warned, weren't they? This was filmed during a few minutes in one place. And it doesn't show what any of the rioters might have done previously, or in any other locations. How can you say that this shows anything other than exactly what it shows? Did I miss something monumental like 24 hours of constant video in every location that was affected?

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:39 am**

If the people who stormed the Capitol were black and brown, but otherwise did the exact same thing, then trumpers would be wondering why widespread lethal force was not used.

I think they should have done that to defend the Capitol and those inside. And I'll say the same no matter the political affiliation, race, or anything else of the rioters.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:55 am**

I agree with 88 that a blanket pardon should not have been issued.

I get these Twitter posts from a super conservative friend. I never see anything on Twitter/X unless someone directs me to it. Not really interested in it. I do try to scan them all, but some I toss seconds into them. Others are somewhat interesting.

I submit this one for your consideration. To be honest, I have been extremely remiss in never giving a shit about Jan 6. I skimmed this. Apparently this guy was paid to commit violent acts at the Capitol. Is it legit? No idea. But considering all the bullshit that’s been promulgated to screw with Trump, it is likely real.

https://x.com/its_the_dr/status/1881892 ... 91974?s=46

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:20 am**

Sam, no offense. But I put very little stock in that video. No context. Cryptic. I give zero shits what that shit seems to be not saying directly.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:24 am**

Roux wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:39 am If the people who stormed the Capitol were black and brown, but otherwise did the exact same thing, then trumpers would be wondering why widespread lethal force was not used.

The people at the Capitol were black and brown and white and whatever. Do you just clack a meme? Why don't you take the time to watch the videos? You are clowning yourself.

Roux wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:39 am I think they should have done that to defend the Capitol and those inside. And I'll say the same no matter the political affiliation, race, or anything else of the rioters.

It wasn't a riot until they shot at the People. Would you have supported those tactics against BLM when they refused to disperse? What about Occupy Wall Street? Blast the people who wouldn't disperse and then put them in prison for years because they fought back?

There were no winners on J6. The cops were put in a vulnerable position due to political decisions not to provide adequate resources. The cops overreacted because that is what they do. A lot of people got caught up in a melee that should not have happened. Check the timeline. The video I posted went down before Trump finished his speech. Total shit show.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:29 am**

FiatLux wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:53 pm Did Biden pardon people assaulting police officers protecting the capital?

https://nypost.com/2025/01/22/us-news/b ... th-of-kid/

Still looking for any pardons of assaulting a police officer. I haven't gotten through all 8,064 pardons in his 4 years, but that one above jumped out at me.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:38 am**

Slap wrote:If the people who stormed the Capitol were black and brown, but otherwise did the exact same thing, then trumpers would be wondering why widespread lethal force was not used.

I think they should have done that to defend the Capitol and those inside.

It would be awesome to see hooligans get mowed down that way.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:41 am**

Killian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:29 am
FiatLux wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:53 pm Did Biden pardon people assaulting police officers protecting the capital?
https://nypost.com/2025/01/22/us-news/b ... th-of-kid/

Still looking for any pardons of assaulting a police officer. I haven't gotten through all 8,064 pardons in his 4 years, but that one above jumped out at me.

Clemency. Could be a technicality:

https://www.police1.com/federal-law-enf ... fbi-agents

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:42 am**

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:20 am Sam, no offense. But I put very little stock in that video. No context. Cryptic. I give zero shits what that shit seems to be not saying directly.

No problem at all. I’m hesitant to post anything from X, but every now and then he sends something that piques my interest.

With all the talk of antifa and paid rioters, I thought it might be worthy of a glance.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:46 am**

Biden granted pardons and commutations to more than 8,000 individuals, which is more than any other modern president. Thousands of Biden's clemency grants were to serious criminals, including murderers, child killers, child abusers, and the biggest municipal embezzler in history, Rita Crundwell. Several of the grants benefitted well-connected Democrats. In both 2022 and 2024, Biden abused his pardon power to achieve mass sentencing reductions that Congress refused to pass by law.

https://www.newsweek.com/sorry-bidens-p ... on-2018843

Here’s the list again:

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons- ... 21-present

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:48 am**

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:41 am Clemency. Could be a technicality:

True. The one I posted was technically a commutation of a drug dealers sentence where he was convicted of murdering an 8 year old and his mother.

I'll keep looking. 8,064 is a lot to get through.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:06 am**

Killian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:48 am
88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:41 am Clemency. Could be a technicality:
True. The one I posted was technically a commutation of a drug dealers sentence where he was convicted of murdering an 8 year old and his mother.

I'll keep looking. 8,064 is a lot to get through.

Enjoy.

Maybe it'll come close to the 1,500 terrorists Trump pardoned for the January 6th attack on democracy.

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot ... 8f05286767

Good luck.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:16 am**

I would recommend everyone take the time to examine all the evidence gathered by the Thompson - Liz Cheney committee.

Never mind, all that evidence was allegedly destroyed prior to the new administration moving in. Carry on. and fuck off.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:48 am**

That video was absolutely a waste of time. At the very least I'll give you credit for saying that there's no context, although that would be an understatement. Even the clip of a cop throwing punches at a person on the ground is only two to three seconds & doesn't show whether the person is complying with the officers' commands. Yet you're calling for those cops to either be criminally charged or at least fired w/o evidence that they violated either department policy nor criminal laws? Back the Blue, indeed....

Seriously, go find a fully sworn police officer (as in city police officer or sheriffs dep) and ask them to explain to you what "ask, tell, make" means. And then ask them if, after an unruly, non-compliant mob refuses to disperse as ordered, whether cops have the right to use force to gain compliance.

PSG, WSP

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:20 pm**

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:48 am Seriously, go find a fully sworn police officer (as in city police officer or sheriffs dep) and ask them to explain to you what "ask, tell, make" means. And then ask them if, after an unruly, non-compliant mob refuses to disperse as ordered, whether cops have the right to use force to gain compliance.

Ask them if an unarmed veteran that served tours in the middle east deserved to be murdered by a rogue, feeble DEI ranked "officer" who received a promotion afterwards. *

Sin,

Ashley Babbitt's family.

* A promotion but no pardon. He may rejoin the warmth of the spotlight once again.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:13 pm**

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:39 pm
Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:37 pm Is there anyone here who can defend Trump’s pardons of criminals who were proven to have violently assaulted police officers on January 6
I do not support the pardons granted to violent protestors at all. Those pardons are indefensible in my opinion.

There should have been a close review of every case. The hundreds of people who were fucked over by the DOJ for walking through doors held open by Capitol Police should have been pardoned. And there should have been a full investigation of the police brutality that day. There are some recently released videos that show that no violence occurred at the Capitol until the Capitol Police started shooting pepper spray rounds into the faces of those shouting on the steps and lobbing flash bangs into the crowd. It was a shit show. Crimes were committed. There should have been a fair investigation and many should have been incarcerated and many should have lost their jobs. Instead, it was a political theatre and you now have pardons granted like dandelion seeds in the wind. Stupid. That kind of tit-for-tat hurts the respect of the public in the institutions of government. Biden's corrupt DOJ should not have fucked as many people over as it did. But Trump's machete use of the pardon power is equally bad.

From now on, rather than clacking out wordy responses chock full of apostrophe misuse and other grammatical faux paus, I just gonna go with whatever 88 posts.

He's about the only voice of reason in this dump.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:17 pm**

Roux wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:39 am If the people who stormed the Capitol were black and brown, but otherwise did the exact same thing, then trumpers would be wondering why widespread lethal force was not used.

I think they should have done that to defend the Capitol and those inside. And I'll say the same no matter the political affiliation, race, or anything else of the rioters.

Do you think the BLM violent rioters should have been mowed down?

I think that deadly use of force should always be on the table with a violent mob. Doesn't matter if you are looting a liquor store in LA or The Capitol.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:20 pm**

After Biden's abuse, how about we just do away with pardons?

Or at least put some limits on it such as no broad pardons on yet to be brought charges and no pardons for friends/family. Or maybe make pardon's dependent on SCOTUS approval.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:56 pm**

smackaholic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:17 pm
Roux wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:39 am If the people who stormed the Capitol were black and brown, but otherwise did the exact same thing, then trumpers would be wondering why widespread lethal force was not used.

I think they should have done that to defend the Capitol and those inside. And I'll say the same no matter the political affiliation, race, or anything else of the rioters.
Do you think the BLM violent rioters should have been mowed down?

I think that deadly use of force should always be on the table with a violent mob. Doesn't matter if you are looting a liquor store in LA or The Capitol.

Tell us you don't understand when the use of deadly force is authorized under the law w/o telling us that you don't understand when it's authorized.

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:00 pm**

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:56 pm
smackaholic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:17 pm I think that deadly use of force should always be on the table with a violent mob. Doesn't matter if you are looting a liquor store in LA or The Capitol.
Tell us you don't understand when the use of deadly force is authorized under the law w/o telling us that you don't understand when it's authorized.

All people are equal. But some people are more equal than others.

-- Trostsky in Seattle

Posted: **Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:34 pm**

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:00 pm
Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:56 pm
smackaholic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:17 pm I think that deadly use of force should always be on the table with a violent mob. Doesn't matter if you are looting a liquor store in LA or The Capitol.
Tell us you don't understand when the use of deadly force is authorized under the law w/o telling us that you don't understand when it's authorized.
All people are equal. But some people are more equal than others.

-- Trostsky in Seattle

You seriously are HUA if you think that isn't true.

Posted: **Sat Jan 25, 2025 4:08 am**

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:37 pm Is there anyone here who can defend Trump’s pardons of criminals who were proven to have violently assaulted police officers on January 6, beyond -

Yes. I really couldn't give less of a fuck that some mostly peaceful protesters were pardoned after being tormented for four years by a braindamaged potato.

Posted: **Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:42 am**

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:56 pm
Tell us you don't understand when the use of deadly force is authorized under the law w/o telling us that you don't understand when it's authorized.

So then you support the cops who used force against BLM, occupy, antifa, college Hamas support rallies, etc.

T1B

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