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This medical Marijuana issue

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Looks like it's working up to be a battle over states rights vs federal intervention. Apparently the recent ruling leaves californias law regarding the use of medical Marijuana intact, but that the feds reserve the right to override it.

They're using a 65 year old ruling regarding wheat as the backbone of their decision, calling it "remarkably similar"

I never realized wheat was illegal back then, or being used medicinally.
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I wonder what congress will do? They are awfully republican.
Justices' Ruling in Medical Marijuana Case Marks Shift for States' Rights
Tuesday June 7, 3:00 am ET
Tony Mauro, Legal Times

Supporters of the use of marijuana for medical purposes will swiftly take their campaign to Congress in the wake of Monday's Supreme Court decision that federal anti-drug laws can be enforced against users of medical marijuana in California and nine other states.

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The 6-3 decision in Gonzales v. Raich was a sharp defeat not only for the medical marijuana movement but also for the Rehnquist-led trend of the past decade that reined in congressional efforts to restrict or pre-empt the states.

"I am disappointed, but it doesn't mean that the battle is over," said Angel Raich, the chronically ill patient who in 2002 challenged the application of federal law against California medical marijuana users.

Emphasizing that Monday's ruling does not strike down California's Compassionate Use Act, passed by voters in 1996, Raich added that she plans to continue using marijuana to ease her pain from several debilitating ailments. "If I did not use cannabis, I would die."

Indeed, Monday's ruling does appear to leave California's medical marijuana law in place, but concludes that the federal government can, if it chooses to, enforce the federal Controlled Substances Act against Californians for doing what California law allows: cultivating and using marijuana on the recommendation of physicians. A Justice Department spokesman declined comment on future enforcement plans.

Steve Fox, director of the Marijuana Policy Project, said Monday that the House of Representatives is scheduled to vote next week on a budget amendment that would bar use of Justice Department funds to enforce federal drug laws against medical marijuana users in states where it is allowed. "The timing [of the ruling] is perfect," said Fox, who is hopeful that public attention paid to the high court ruling will translate into congressional support for the measure.

Raich's husband, Robert, a lawyer who participated in the case before the high court, said California medical marijuana users should "rest assured that it remains safe," in part because "99 percent of marijuana arrests take place at the local level."

Boston University law professor Randy Barnett, who argued on behalf of Raich before the high court, also said he was fearful that the public might, by reading headlines about the decision, incorrectly conclude that medical marijuana laws in California and other states are now invalid.

"The ruling has absolutely nothing to do with the continued existence of the Compassionate Use Act," Barnett said, adding that the Court had ruled only on the commerce clause issue in the case -- not the due process claims that Barnett says are still in play.

Another avenue left open -- or even encouraged -- by the ruling Monday is to persuade the Food and Drug Administration to change the classification of marijuana as a completely banned Schedule I substance, which it has refused to do for decades. In a footnote, Justice John Paul Stevens said that if the scientific evidence offered by medical marijuana supporters is true, it would "cast serious doubt" on the Schedule I classification.

But the main thrust of Monday's ruling is that even when the marijuana at issue never crosses state lines, the Controlled Substances Act is a valid exercise of congressional power to regulate interstate commerce.

"One need not have a degree in economics to understand why a nationwide exemption for the vast quantity of marijuana (or other drugs) locally cultivated for personal use ... may have a substantial impact on the interstate market for this extraordinarily popular substance," wrote Stevens. "If there is any conflict between federal and state law, federal law shall prevail."

The Court's decision, the latest of many endorsements of the federal government's "comprehensive regime" of drug laws, was not unexpected. But it was remarkable in light of Chief Justice William Rehnquist's quiet and recently successful campaign to limit federal encroachment of states' rights in the name of the commerce clause.

As he had earlier in his 33-year tenure, but not as much recently, Rehnquist on Monday found himself in the minority on a major federal-state dispute. He joined a dissent written by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and joined by Justice Clarence Thomas that repeated many of the pro-states' rights arguments that have prevailed of late.

"This case exemplifies the role of states as laboratories," wrote O'Connor. "The states' core police powers have always included authority to define criminal law and to protect the health, safety, and welfare of their citizens." Exercising those powers, she continued, California had decided to allow decriminalized marijuana use in limited circumstances. Monday's ruling, she said, "extinguishes that experiment."

Monday's decision, O'Connor said, was "irreconcilable" with United States v. Lopez and United States v. Morrison, which struck down congressional enactments on gun possession near schools, and violence against women, respectively. Lopez and Morrison are prominent hallmarks of the Rehnquist federalism trend.

In his majority opinion, Stevens said the medical marijuana case was distinguishable from Lopez and Morrison because the Controlled Substances Act was a "lengthy and detailed statute" that dealt with undeniably commercial transactions.

Stevens based the ruling on one of the high-water marks of federal power, the classic 1942 decision Wickard v. Filburn, which said New Deal-era federal agricultural regulations could reach down to restrict a farmer's home-grown wheat even if it never enters interstate commerce. "The similarities between this case and Wickard are striking," Stevens said.

In a separate dissent, Thomas sharply criticized the majority for drifting back toward an expansive view of the commerce clause that would allow Congress to regulate "quilting bees, clothing drives and potluck suppers throughout the 50 states." He added, "The majority is not interpreting the Commerce Clause, but rewriting it."

Interestingly, O'Connor's dissent included a personal statement about the merits of medical marijuana that Rehnquist and Thomas specifically indicated they did not join. "If I were a California citizen, I would not have voted for the medical marijuana ballot initiative; if I were a California legislator I would not have supported the Compassionate Use Act," O'Connor wrote. "But whatever the wisdom of California's experiment with medical marijuana, the federalism principles that have driven our Commerce Clause cases require that room for experiment be protected in this case."
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The State's Rights cause was put to to bed 140 years ago. Where ya' been?
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Wheat has never been illegal, dopey.
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Thing 1,

I said this was going to be a battle, AKA a challenge to the states rights issue. Pay attention.


Thing2,

"illegal wheat" comment + ;) = I know it was never illegal, too.


Are you guys really this desperate to be confrontational?
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I wonder what congress will do? They are awfully republican.
Mr B, how much you wanna bet they will continue to sit with their collective thumbs up their asses, lash out at the evil Dem's across the aisle and proceed to not do a damn fucking thing.

I voted no on the medical marijuana issue back in '96, but personally I don't care if someone wants to sit around a burn some herbs in the privacy of their house or yard. Hell I don't care if they all grew their own for that matter. What I am bugged about how this decision trounced all over states rights. Further more it bugs me that the Bush administration appealed this decsion to the Supreme Court. I always thought the GOP, which I am registered as, was for more states rights and less fed intervention.

What is more important, cracking down on a bunch of aging hippies and pot heads or cracking down on the endless stream of illegal immigrants streaming over the southern border. Including in the group are drug smugglers that are bringing more weed, coke, meth, and heroin over than is even being produced in the states. (save the nitpicking, I know cocoa and opium are not grown here)
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Re: This medical Marijuana issue

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mvscal wrote:
Mister Bushice wrote:I never realized wheat was illegal back then, or being used medicinally.
Neither attribute is relevant to their decision.
They called the prior decision "remarkably similar"

Don't see how that could be, given that:

A> Wheat has never been on a listed of banned illegal controlled substances,
B> Wheat has never been used medicinally for chronically or terminal ill patients.

How similar could the two rulings be, when that in essence, is why Bush repealed the pot decision?
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I guess I did. No time for me to read it thru today, though.
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mvscal wrote:
Martyred wrote:The State's Rights cause was put to to bed 140 years ago. Where ya' been?
What the fuck do you know about it, Canadian douche?
I know about your country and the world in general.

It's an affliction we Canadians suffer from. It's called "knowledge".
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The sad thing is, to a man/woman in congress, if a bill was written to legalize marijuana, it would pass overwhelmingly. If the vote could be cast anonymously. It's the common sense thing to do and everyone understands this.
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Everyone except drug company lobbyists that grease your government to keep the screws to anti-marijuana legislation.

Why treat glaucoma symptoms with a simple weed, when Merck or Upjohn can treat it with an expensive, and dangerous pharmaceutical?
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Mister Bushice wrote: They called the prior decision "remarkably similar"

Don't see how that could be...
The power to regulate is the power to illegalize.
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Ok mvscal. Give me the cliff notes on the essence of the commerce tie in. I have contractors crawling all over my house fucking shit up big time, so do me a flavor and summarize the commerce clause as it relates to marijuana regulation, more specifically this medical marijuana issue.

or just say fuck off and i'll get to it this weekend.



illegalize?

Damn surprising you let that one go. :)
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Mister Bushice wrote:Give me the cliff notes on the essence of the commerce tie in.
I already did that for you.
illegalize?

Damn surprising you let that one go. :)
I looked it up... it's a word.
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Tom In VA wrote:The sad thing is, to a man/woman in congress, if a bill was written to legalize marijuana, it would pass overwhelmingly. If the vote could be cast anonymously. It's the common sense thing to do and everyone understands this.
If it's so common sensical why would they cast their yea vote anonymously?
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DrDetroit wrote:Wheat has never been illegal, dopey.
For god's fucking sake, shut up.

That was quite possibly the stupidest statement I've ever read here.....big suprise to see the source.
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Dinsdale wrote:
DrDetroit wrote:Wheat has never been illegal, dopey.
For god's fucking sake, shut up.

That was quite possibly the stupidest statement I've ever read here.....big suprise to see the source.
Little late, shooter. It's already been addressed.

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Martyred wrote:
It's an affliction we Canadians suffer from. It's called "knowledge".
Unfortunatley you were cured of this affliction years ago. I am glad to see your suffering has gone, if you stop posting your drivel you'll relieve ours.
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So, the reasons given by the tyrants(they're no longer the supremem court, since they bent to the white house, and didn't do their job, thereby eliminating the system of checks and balances) were that it would affect the interstate marijuana market. So, I can only assume that it's now legal to transport marijuana across state lines for profit. The tyrants can't have it both ways.
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The USSC bent to the White House??

No, they bent to Congress, dolt. And this was hardly a surprising result given the Court's prior decisions re: interstate commerce.

Oh, and it's nice to know that you believe that the concept of checks and balances rests upon a single decision of the Court that you disagree with.

You know, your post here is ironic given your comments in the alcoholism thread...you know:
Hilarious that the people who brought this up with their "opinion" weren't aware of the basic biological causes of alcoholism(figure out why they call it a "disease" yet?), yet still thought enough of themselves to adress an issue that they were clueless about.......Pretty much the poli forum in a nutshell.
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I see, the fact our system just failed MISERABLY and made a mockery out of checks and balances doesn't matter here......only that "we" get to point fingers at "them liberals" again.

Shoot yourselves, idiots. It's this attitude that is destroying America. But hey, as long as there's underachievers who get off by saying "it's the LIBERALS fault," you get yours. Idiots.

And Dolt -- it was the White House that pushed the matter before the court. Not Congress.
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That's correct. The B.A. appealed the prior decision, which they had lost.
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mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:So, the reasons given by the tyrants(they're no longer the supremem court, since they bent to the white house, and didn't do their job, thereby eliminating the system of checks and balances) were that it would affect the interstate marijuana market. So, I can only assume that it's now legal to transport marijuana across state lines for profit. The tyrants can't have it both ways.
By all means explain why the liberals on the court "bent to the White House" while the conservatives did not.

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That's heartless, Mvscal...I wasn't going to mention that for fear of driving him off the cliff completely.
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Dinsdale wrote:I see, the fact our system just failed MISERABLY
Our system worked, fool. Congress passed a law. The President, as he is constitutionally empowered to, enforced it. A citizen felt her constitutionally protected rights had been violated. Her complaint was ajudicated.

The system worked even if you don't agree with the result.
and made a mockery out of checks and balances doesn't matter here......only that "we" get to point fingers at "them liberals" again.
Dumbass, how did this damage the concept of checks and balances? Is that concept only protected when its results conform with your preferences?

Puhlease.
Shoot yourselves, idiots. It's this attitude that is destroying America. But hey, as long as there's underachievers who get off by saying "it's the LIBERALS fault," you get yours. Idiots.
Dickhead, no one is blaming liberals on this case seeing that a conservative joined the majority opinion.

And most of us are criticizing it because it's the wrong decision, constitutionally.

Get it, yet? Why are you compelled to melt down right now, Dins?
And Dolt -- it was the White House that pushed the matter before the court. Not Congress.
The WH pushed it because the AG has a responsibility to enforce the laws of the United States.

Not surprised that you believe that the President should merely enforce only the laws that he prefers to.
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mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:I see, the fact our system just failed MISERABLY and made a mockery out of checks and balances doesn't matter here......only that "we" get to point fingers at "them liberals" again.

Shoot yourselves, idiots. It's this attitude that is destroying America. But hey, as long as there's underachievers who get off by saying "it's the LIBERALS fault," you get yours. Idiots.

And Dolt -- it was the White House that pushed the matter before the court. Not Congress.
As a point of fact, this decision is "them liberals" fault.

Oh by the way Dolt, it was medical marijuana advocates who filed the suit, not the Bush administration.
Oh no, no, no...it doesn't matter who initially filed the suit. It only matters that the evil Bush pursued it.

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DrDetroit wrote:
Oh no, no, no...it doesn't matter who initially filed the suit. It only matters that the evil Bush pursued it even though he had already lost the case once..

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