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Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:22 pm**

Need we say more?

Wed Jun 15,11:32 AM ET

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - An Indian rape victim is being forced by village elders to "marry" her rapist -- her father-in-law, a newspaper reported on Wednesday.
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Community leaders in Charthawal village, backed by local Muslim clerics, believe that by being raped, 28-year-old Imrana's 10-year marriage has been nullified under Islamic law, The Asian Age newspaper said.

Holding a special council on Sunday, village leaders ordered the mother of five to leave her husband, Noor Mohammed, and live with her parental family for seven months and 10 days and make herself "pure" again, The Age said. It did not say how she becomes pure.

After that, she must "marry" her father-in-law and live with him, along with his legal wife.

"She... will then be like a mother to Noor Mohammed," the paper quoted local cleric Shamim Ahmad saying.

Her four brothers have agreed to the edict. She has not but in India, victims of crime often have nowhere to turn and with even her own family supporting the edict she may have little choice.

Police are now investigating and say they plan to arrest the father-in-law. They refuse to comment on the village elders' ruling, saying it is a sensitive religious issue.

The village is in Uttar Pradesh, one of India's poorest and most backward states and its most populous, with more than 165 million people, more than Russia's 145 million.

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:31 pm**

Whatever happened to the good old days of islam, when they'd just banish her and cut his penis off? ;)

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:32 pm**

It's not just a religous thing...it's tribal. Look at the chick in Pakistan who was sentenced to gang-rape for a minor crime.

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:41 pm**

Then maybe it might be a good idea for you libs to stop sucking Muslim cock and get with the program.

With a repor like that, it's a miracle you never found a career in public relations.

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:01 pm**

DrDetroit wrote:It's not just a religous thing...it's tribal. Look at the chick in Pakistan who was sentenced to gang-rape for a minor crime.

Yup. Like all religions, its bastardized by community standards.

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:04 pm**

Errr...that too. :D

The sickest Muslim practice that I've heard of is female circumcision. From what I've heard, it's mostly practiced in Africa. When a girl is about 10 years old, they take a needle and thread and sew up her labia minora at the base, leaving only a tiny opening for menstruation to pass through. They then take two sharp rocks and smash them together, cutting off the labia minora and her clitoris.

This is done to remove all manner of sexual pleasure for the women. Sexual pleasure is reserved for the men only.

For the women that don't die of infection, the stitches are removed after the wound seals up. When the woman is married, it's considered the elder's privilege to essentially tear her back open again on the wedding night and before she's passed on to her husband.

Sick, sick culture.

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:23 pm**

When I visited Jordan, the cultural sensitivity Jordanian dude that talked to us said that it's forbidden for outsiders to look at a woman, because they don't think of women as sex objects at all. If you're showing interest in a woman, it's because you want to have kids with her. In their culture, women are for reproduction only and young men are for pleasure.

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:39 pm**

mvscal wrote:Then maybe it might be a good idea for you libs to stop sucking Muslim cock and get with the program.

Tell that to Sean Penn.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp ... 1000963024

The actor caused a stir when he attended Friday prayers last week and heard the “Death to America” chants. But on a visit to Iran's Film Museum in Tehran this week he told a student that those oft-heard chants hurt Iran-U.S. relations.

"I understand the nature of where it comes from and what its intention is," he said. "But I don't think it's productive because I think the message goes to the American people and it is interpreted very literally."

Perhaps Sean forgot about the planes being flown by these same crazed fucks into buildings on 9/11?

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:27 pm**

Sean Penn is a poster child for the "who fucking cares what you say" foundation.

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:54 pm**

I never understood how people w/ no college education can all of a sudden become so insightful just b/c they live in Hollywood and make shit movies.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:55 am**

Like anyone wants political commentary from this guy:

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:58 am**

Cicero wrote:I never understood how people w/ no college education can all of a sudden become so insightful just b/c they live in Hollywood and make shit movies.

The same way people that are too lazy to type out the word "because" and instead abbreviate it to b/c(thereby saving four whole keystrokes) all of a sudden become so insightful just b/c they post on an internet messageboard.

Same concept.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:11 am**

Variable wrote:Like anyone wants political commentary from this guy:

Am I hallucinating here? Just what in the hell do you think you're doing?
I do. Why the very notion has me writhing in anticipation.

sin,

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:15 am**

Cicero wrote:I never understood how people w/ no college education can all of a sudden become so insightful just b/c they live in Hollywood and make shit movies.

Same as those who are suddenly Rhodes Scholars when they start posting on message boards.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:22 am**

Cicero wrote:I never understood how people w/ no college education can all of a sudden become so insightful just b/c they live in Hollywood and make shit movies.

If you're in school now, stop wasting money.

If you're out, it might be too late, but I'll give it a shot .... the learnin' ain't done when you put down your books and get your sheepskin.

Wisdom and knowledge aren't inaccessible to those that don't go to college.

That being said. Fuck Sean Penn.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:18 am**

If you're in school now, stop wasting money.

No Shit, Go Dig A fucking ditch or something. Get a job that we are unwilling to fill. Stop the influx of illegal aliens. Don't buy another strawberry, let them rot on the vine. Stand up at the city council meeting fightng the landowner that wants to sell his land to a developer looking to make some bank. Forget about the infrastructure, that is the problem for the next city down the road. Oceanfront views, million dollar homes, so what that the highway is only 4 lanes, just don't try to go anywhere on Saturday. Just don't leave your shit on my beach when you leave.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:03 am**

To try to get back on topic here ...

BSmack should have titled this thread

"Why Wahhabi Islam is a backwards ass religion" or Why "strict" Islam is a backwards ass religion"

A friend of mine, who is a Born-Again Christian, just returned from a two-week trip to Turkey. Trust me, Islam in Turkey is not the same as the Islam in Iran or Saudi Arabia, in fact, most of the Muslims in Turkey abhore the type of Islam that is practiced in those countries, which is ironic, being that they have their own battles with their own government, which doesn't allow Islam to be taught in schools, nor girls to wear the head-scarf.

Think about it. The U.S. has more religious freedom for Christians than Turkey has for Muslims, and Turkey is 98 percent Muslim.

And it's not just a matter of Turkey "wanting to get into the E.U." This goes back to the early 1920s. Turkey got rid of the Arabic alphabet and language, after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

There is a moderate form of Islam in Turkey.

But nevermind. Most of you idiots have never even traveled overseas. Just keep on stereotyping and being ignorant.

It's the American way.

DEATH to ALL MUSLIMS!!!! YES

Btw, if any of you even so much as could contemplate a rape victim having to marry her "man," I will fight you. Nor is killing a woman because she "shamed" her family cool. Honor crimes are not cool. Not cool as in, if anyone here can not even imagine not wanting to fight to the death for this principal, than just kill yourself now, before one of us gets to you, because trust me, we will.

THAT is what we are fighting against, ultimately. ('sup hard-core nutjobs, you seeing the light yet?)

And I've said this time and time again, where are the propaganda films against so-called "honor" crimes? Where is the VOA? Where is the President, or the the Secretary of State? Where is the "War on Terror?" in this regard and why isn't anyone asking these questions, much less the government addressing it, instead of constantly playing keystone pathetic catchup cops to this shit?

It really isn't that difficult.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:12 am**

Crazy Islam and it's bizarre rituals.

Spare yourselves the horror, and stop invading their countries. Stay as far away as you can.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:14 am**

RadioFan wrote:Think about it. The U.S. has more religious freedom for Christians than Turkey has for Muslims, and Turkey is 98 percent Muslim.

The U.S. has more religious freedoms for muslims than any muslim country.

And I've said this time and time again, where are the propaganda films against so-called "honor" crimes? Where is the VOA? Where is the President, or the the Secretary of State? Where is the "War on Terror?" in this regard and why isn't anyone asking these questions, much less the government addressing it, instead of constantly playing keystone pathetic catchup cops to this shit?

Are you serious?

I thought this was a war for oil based on lies?

What do you think the reaction of the media and the dems would be if the administration brought these issues front and center?

There is only so much the administration can do when their political opponents put partisanship over America's security and interests.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:25 am**

BSmack wrote: The village is in Uttar Pradesh, one of India's poorest and most backward states and its most populous, with more than 165 million people, more than Russia's 145 million.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:31 am**

RadioFan wrote:"Why Wahhabi Islam is a backwards ass religion" or Why "strict" Islam is a backwards ass religion"

I could have. But I didn't. Turkey is the way it is because Kemal Ataturk and his cohorts broke the power of the clerics. The "moderate Islam" practiced in Turkey is the way it is because the secular government knows that if you give these fanatics an inch, they'll cut your infidel hand off. The people who run Turkey know better than most what happens when you allow Muslim clerics any kind of power whatsoever. That's why Islam is not taught in the schools and why the head scarf is not allowed.

But they are an exception, not the rule in the Muslim world.

But make no mistake. Ataturk was just doing what sensible people have always done to religious fanatics; he cut their nuts off. Peter the Great did the same thing to the Orthodox Church in Russia when he forced all men to shave. And, for entirely different reasons, Henry VIII did the same thing when he seized all RCC holdings in England.

Here in the US, we could stand a big dose of the same with our fanatics.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:33 am**

Dr_Phibes wrote:
BSmack wrote: The village is in Uttar Pradesh, one of India's poorest and most backward states and its most populous, with more than 165 million people, more than Russia's 145 million.

Very true. Let's bomb them. That will continue their cycle of poverty and make them hate us even more. It's working like gamgbusters in Iraq eh?

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:38 pm**

Their poverty is not why they hate us, jagoff.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:21 pm**

DrDetroit wrote:Their poverty is not why they hate us, jagoff.

Poor people are infinitely more susceptible to religious fanatics.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:29 pm**

It's working like gamgbusters in Iraq eh?

Yeah, the Sunni-led insurgency that's loaded with Saudis, Yemenis and Syrians is in response to the bombing campaign of 2002. :roll: Mix in a newspaper.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:15 pm**

Variable wrote:
It's working like gamgbusters in Iraq eh?
Yeah, the Sunni-led insurgency that's loaded with Saudis, Yemenis and Syrians is in response to the bombing campaign of 2002. :roll: Mix in a newspaper.

Must not be paying attention. The millitary has been changing its tune.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:47 pm**

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:
DrDetroit wrote:Their poverty is not why they hate us, jagoff.
Poor people are infinitely more susceptible to religious fanatics.
Wrong again, dipshit. These terrorist fuckheads are middle class and frequently college educated.

Care to expound upon "frequently"? When you've got some shit going in your life, you're not as likely to blow yourself up. Like our military, the foot soldiers come from "little else".

You confident enough in your exaggeration to call the guy a dipshit. Never understand that about you.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:02 pm**

Bizzarofelice wrote:
mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote: Poor people are infinitely more susceptible to religious fanatics.
Wrong again, dipshit. These terrorist fuckheads are middle class and frequently college educated.
Care to expound upon "frequently"? When you've got some shit going in your life, you're not as likely to blow yourself up. Like our military, the foot soldiers come from "little else".

You confident enough in your exaggeration to call the guy a dipshit. Never understand that about you.

Proof that few Americans can grasp someone believing in something so much they'd be willing to die and kill for it.

Bace, these dudes don't get into the moral relativism and mental masturbation our egos and pride need in order for US to function. They're strong in their convictions, have fortitude, and are willing to get a job done 'by any means necessary'. It's a language our culture cannot understand.

The American Talliban, left an upper middle class life. The pilots of the planes on 9-11 were not poor nomads roaming the desert one day and learning to fly the next. Are there some impoverished people joining their ranks ? Sure.

But rest assured, as in our military, their ranks are replete with men. Men that believe in something. Men from all socio economic backgrounds.

That my friend, is the state of affairs as they are.

Would it be better if things were not that way ? We'd like to think they would be, but as humans, we don't know anything else.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:06 pm**

The more accurate description is that those who fund and support radical Islamicism are wealthy individuals and families.

Then again, that's what I've been led to believe. Aren't the foot soldiers (no offense to real soldiers) middle class moreso than lower class poor people?

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:16 pm**

Yes. Poor, "uneducated" people are usually too smart to blow themselves up for nothing.

Right. Why do you think Saddam was paying Palestinians $15,000 to go supernova in an Israeli cafeteria?

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:25 pm**

Variable wrote:
Yes. Poor, "uneducated" people are usually too smart to blow themselves up for nothing.
Right. Why do you think Saddam was paying Palestinians $15,000 to go supernova in an Israeli cafeteria?

To compensate the families for the loss of the, typically, male member of the family ... i.e. the "breadwinner".

There's no question there are people from the entire spectrum of economic class, and education level within the ranks.

The lie that is being told is that this is all based in economic class.

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