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My opinion

1.Payton Manning
2.Tom Brady
3.Dante Culpepper
4.Donovan McNabb
5.Bret Favre
6.Steve McNair
7.Chad Pennington
8.Drew Brees
9..Jake Delhomme
10.Matt Hassleback
11.Trent Green
12.Marc Bulger
13.Mike Vick
14.Aaron Brooks
15.Kerry Collins
16.Jake Plummer
17.David Carr
18.Carson Palmer
19.Ben Rothlisberger
20.Bryon Leftwich
21.Kurt Warner
22.Joey Harrington
23.Drew Bledsoe
24.Eli Manning
25.AJ Feeley
26.Trent Dilfer
27.Kyle Boller
28.Rex Grossman
29.Brian Griese
30.Patrick Ramsey
31.JP Losman
32.Alex Smith


Let the debate begin!!!

The Assassin wrote:My opinion

1.Payton Manning
2.Tom Brady
3.Dante Culpepper
4.Donovan McNabb
5.Bret Favre
6.Steve McNair
7.Chad Pennington
8.Drew Brees
9..Jake Delhomme
10.Matt Hassleback
11.Trent Green
12.Marc Bulger
13.Mike Vick
14.Aaron Brooks
15.Kerry Collins
16.Jake Plummer
17.David Carr
18.Carson Palmer
19.Ben Rothlisberger
20.Bryon Leftwich
21.Kurt Warner
22.Joey Harrington
23.Drew Bledsoe
24.Eli Manning
25.AJ Feeley
26.Trent Dilfer
27.Kyle Boller
28.Rex Grossman
29.Brian Griese
30.Patrick Ramsey
31.JP Losman
32.Alex Smith


Let the debate begin!!!

Stats are great!!!!!!

Signed,

Tom Brady.....3 time Superbowl champ, 2 time Superbowl MVP......

Trent Green 11?

right

War Wagon wrote:Trent Green 11?

right

What, too high???

The Assassin wrote:32.Alex Smith

...not for long.

Plummer at 16?

I'd put him about 33rd or 34th- just ahead of Brian Griese

The Assassin wrote:My opinion

1.Payton Manning
2.Tom Brady
3.Dante Culpepper
4.Donovan McNabb
5.Bret Favre
6.Steve McNair
7.Chad Pennington
8.Drew Brees
9..Jake Delhomme
10.Matt Hassleback
11.Trent Green
12.Marc Bulger
13.Mike Vick
14.Aaron Brooks
15.Kerry Collins
16.Jake Plummer
17.David Carr
18.Carson Palmer
19.Ben Rothlisberger
20.Bryon Leftwich
21.Kurt Warner
22.Joey Harrington
23.Drew Bledsoe
24.Eli Manning
25.AJ Feeley
26.Trent Dilfer
27.Kyle Boller
28.Rex Grossman
29.Brian Griese
30.Patrick Ramsey
31.JP Losman
32.Alex Smith


Let the debate begin!!!

Favre @ #5? HAHHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAA! Tell me what has he done besides throw a few Hail-Mary's after his dad died. Since his Super Bowl loss, "NOTHING!"

1.Payton Manning
2.Dante Culpepper
3.Tom Brady
4.Donovan McNabb
5.Mike Vick
6.Steve McNair
7.Ben Rothlisberger
8.Marc Bulger
9..Jake Delhomme
10.David Carr
11.Trent Green
12.AJ Feeley
13.Brett Favre
14.Carson Palmer
15.Kerry Collins
16.Jake Plummer
17.Matt Hassleback
18.Aaron Brooks
19.Chad Pennington
20.Drew Brees
21.Kurt Warner
22.Brian Griese
23.Bryon Leftwich
24.Rex Grossman
25.Eli Manning
26.Trent Dilfer
27.Kyle Boller
28.Drew Bledsoe
29.Joey Harrington
30.Patrick Ramsey
31.JP Losman
32.Alex Smith

frodo_biguns wrote:

The Assassin wrote:My opinion

1.Payton Manning
2.Tom Brady
3.Dante Culpepper
4.Donovan McNabb
5.Bret Favre
6.Steve McNair
7.Chad Pennington
8.Drew Brees
9..Jake Delhomme
10.Matt Hassleback
11.Trent Green
12.Marc Bulger
13.Mike Vick
14.Aaron Brooks
15.Kerry Collins
16.Jake Plummer
17.David Carr
18.Carson Palmer
19.Ben Rothlisberger
20.Bryon Leftwich
21.Kurt Warner
22.Joey Harrington
23.Drew Bledsoe
24.Eli Manning
25.AJ Feeley
26.Trent Dilfer
27.Kyle Boller
28.Rex Grossman
29.Brian Griese
30.Patrick Ramsey
31.JP Losman
32.Alex Smith


Let the debate begin!!!

Favre @ #5? HAHHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAA! Tell me what has he done besides throw a few Hail-Mary's after his dad died. Since his Super Bowl loss, "NOTHING!"

1.Payton Manning
2.Dante Culpepper
3.Tom Brady
4.Donovan McNabb
5.Mike Vick
6.Steve McNair
7.Ben Rothlisberger
8.Marc Bulger
9..Jake Delhomme
10.David Carr
11.Trent Green
12.AJ Feeley
13.Brett Favre
14.Carson Palmer
15.Kerry Collins
16.Jake Plummer
17.Matt Hassleback
18.Aaron Brooks
19.Chad Pennington
20.Drew Brees
21.Kurt Warner
22.Brian Griese
23.Bryon Leftwich
24.Rex Grossman
25.Eli Manning
26.Trent Dilfer
27.Kyle Boller
28.Drew Bledsoe
29.Joey Harrington
30.Patrick Ramsey
31.JP Losman
32.Alex Smith

Vick 5??? What has he done period??? Great scrambler,and runner but he needs to work on his accuracy.

frodo_biguns wrote:
Favre @ #5? HAHHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAA! Tell me what has he done besides throw a few Hail-Mary's after his dad died. Since his Super Bowl loss, "NOTHING!"

1.Payton Manning
2.Dante Culpepper
3.Tom Brady
4.Donovan McNabb
5.Mike Vick
6.Steve McNair
7.Ben Rothlisberger
8.Marc Bulger
9..Jake Delhomme
10.David Carr
11.Trent Green
12.AJ Feeley
13.Brett Favre
14.Carson Palmer
15.Kerry Collins
16.Jake Plummer
17.Matt Hassleback
18.Aaron Brooks
19.Chad Pennington
20.Drew Brees
21.Kurt Warner
22.Brian Griese
23.Bryon Leftwich
24.Rex Grossman
25.Eli Manning
26.Trent Dilfer
27.Kyle Boller
28.Drew Bledsoe
29.Joey Harrington
30.Patrick Ramsey
31.JP Losman
32.Alex Smith

Vick at 5, Pennington & Hasselbeck below Collins? Lay off the pipe a little man!

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Donovan McNabb
4. Daunte Culpepper
5. Brett Favre
6. Chad Pennington
7. Marc Bulger
8. Drew Brees
9. Ben Rothleshamburger
10. Trent Green
11. Carson Palmer
12. Jake Delhomme
13. Michael Vick
14. Kurt Warner
15. Byron Leftwich
16. Kerry Collins
17. Aaron Brooks
18. Jake Plummer
19. JP Losman
20. Drew Bledsoe

The rest don't really matter because the suck about the same. In fact after 15 they take a huge drop.

If Tom Brady isn't your number one QB you are a dumbfuck.

Rate them on what?

Stats? Manning

Wins? Brady

Leadership/Intangibles/Durability? Favre

Who would I take first if I was starting an expansion franchise? Carson Palmer (younger - more years left than Manning)

You gotta give some fucking criteria.

BTW - Trent Green is a Top 5 QB

Rate them by who's the best when it counts.

1. Tom Brady
2. The rest of the league.............

Joe in PB wrote:Rate them by who's the best when it counts.

1. Tom Brady
2. The rest of the league.............

2 Minutes left to drive the field - I give Favre a slight advantage over Marsha Brady

Green's put up pretty damn impressive numbers for 3 yrs running.

He's really played well in KC after his first year, which pretty well sucked.

His only playoff game was a home loss where he tossed for just over 200 yds.

His case for being "top 5" would be a lot stronger if he had some post-season success on his resume.

Others that we routinely see on a "top 5 list" have had a measure of success when it REALLY matters.

I'll post my top 10 later, but just off the cuff I'd say Green is somewhere between 5 and 10.

KC Scott wrote:Rate them on what?

Stats? Manning

Wins? Brady

Leadership/Intangibles/Durability? Favre

Who would I take first if I was starting an expansion franchise? Carson Palmer (younger - more years left than Manning)

You gotta give some fucking criteria.

BTW - Trent Green is a Top 5 QB

No I don't. Make your own list if you dont agree.

The Assassin wrote:

KC Scott wrote:Rate them on what?

Stats? Manning

Wins? Brady

Leadership/Intangibles/Durability? Favre

Who would I take first if I was starting an expansion franchise? Carson Palmer (younger - more years left than Manning)

You gotta give some fucking criteria.

BTW - Trent Green is a Top 5 QB

No I don't. Make your own list if you dont agree.

Easy there #32...

You ready to see what a real NFL qb looks like...




You'll get your chance on saturday...


m2

The Assassin wrote:My opinion 6.Steve McNair

Your opinion lost all credit right there.

m2,

With that O-line, you better get used to seeing this:

kcdave wrote:

The Assassin wrote:My opinion 6.Steve McNair

Your opinion lost all credit right there.

Explain. McNair is NOT a good QB? Dude is a warrior has been to a Super Bowl and has been league MVP. He plays hurt and has carried the Titans when they needed him to. So you would NOT want McNair on your team?


YOUR opinion just lost credibility.

m2 wrote:

The Assassin wrote:

KC Scott wrote:Rate them on what?

Stats? Manning

Wins? Brady

Leadership/Intangibles/Durability? Favre

Who would I take first if I was starting an expansion franchise? Carson Palmer (younger - more years left than Manning)

You gotta give some fucking criteria.

BTW - Trent Green is a Top 5 QB

No I don't. Make your own list if you dont agree.

Easy there #32...

You ready to see what a real NFL qb looks like...




You'll get your chance on saturday...


m2

Its preaseason so we'll be seeing him for about 3 series.

The Assassin wrote:

kcdave wrote:

The Assassin wrote:My opinion 6.Steve McNair

Your opinion lost all credit right there.

Explain. McNair is NOT a good QB? Dude is a warrior has been to a Super Bowl and has been league MVP. He plays hurt and has carried the Titans when they needed him to. So you would NOT want McNair on your team?


YOUR opinion just lost credibility.

He's going to suck this year, between the injuries & loss of talent I expect to see Volek as the starter by Mid-Season.

Louis Cyphre wrote:m2,

With that O-line, you better get used to seeing this:

I agree...

We have 4 of our 5 starting OL out due to injury right now.

All are minor, except for Newberry... 6 weeks max on the 3 of the 4.

But, your right...

It's time to heal up.


m2

KC Scott wrote:

The Assassin wrote:

kcdave wrote: Your opinion lost all credit right there.

Explain. McNair is NOT a good QB? Dude is a warrior has been to a Super Bowl and has been league MVP. He plays hurt and has carried the Titans when they needed him to. So you would NOT want McNair on your team?


YOUR opinion just lost credibility.

He's going to suck this year, between the injuries & loss of talent I expect to see Volek as the starter by Mid-Season.

Not his fault. Blame the cap.

KC Scott wrote:

Joe in PB wrote:Rate them by who's the best when it counts.

1. Tom Brady
2. The rest of the league.............

2 Minutes left to drive the field - I give Favre a slight advantage over Marsha Brady

I don't. Favre's game peaked years ago. Now at the end of a game he's just as likely to get picked off as he is to throw for a TD.

In FF Favre will rack up more points........

The Assassin wrote:

KC Scott wrote:

The Assassin wrote:
Explain. McNair is NOT a good QB? Dude is a warrior has been to a Super Bowl and has been league MVP. He plays hurt and has carried the Titans when they needed him to. So you would NOT want McNair on your team?


YOUR opinion just lost credibility.

He's going to suck this year, between the injuries & loss of talent I expect to see Volek as the starter by Mid-Season.

Not his fault. Blame the cap.

Blame the football Gods for all I care. He's sure not = # 6 for 2005.

Carson Palmer over Jake Delhomme :roll:

Bwahahahaha.

mcnair is pretty close to be done, that damn sternum injury keeps coming back.

There you go again, Paul, insulting the box of rocks. How can anyone with an IQ over 6.3 put No Heart Manning ahead of Brady?

rozy wrote:There you go again, Paul, insulting the box of rocks. How can anyone with an IQ over 6.3 put No Heart Manning ahead of Brady?

Some people prefer stats over Super Bowls I guess. :?

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Donovan McNabb
4. Daunte Culpepper
5. Jake Delhomme
6. Brett Favre
7. Trent Green
8. Chad Pennington
9. Steve McNair
10. Drew Brees
11. Ben Rothlisberger

Hapday wrote:

rozy wrote:There you go again, Paul, insulting the box of rocks. How can anyone with an IQ over 6.3 put No Heart Manning ahead of Brady?

Some people prefer stats over Super Bowls I guess. :?

So, if Brady were playing for the Colts they would have won 3 Super Bowls?

BSmack wrote:

Hapday wrote:

rozy wrote:There you go again, Paul, insulting the box of rocks. How can anyone with an IQ over 6.3 put No Heart Manning ahead of Brady?

Some people prefer stats over Super Bowls I guess. :?

So, if Brady were playing for the Colts they would have won 3 Super Bowls?

Easily. Well, maybe not 2002. I don't think even Brady could have helped them that year.

BSmack wrote:

Hapday wrote:

rozy wrote:There you go again, Paul, insulting the box of rocks. How can anyone with an IQ over 6.3 put No Heart Manning ahead of Brady?

Some people prefer stats over Super Bowls I guess. :?

So, if Brady were playing for the Colts they would have won 3 Super Bowls?

They likely would have won more than Zero. But hey, he couldn't have done any worse in that dept. than No Heart has.

Hapday wrote:

BSmack wrote:

Hapday wrote: Some people prefer stats over Super Bowls I guess. :?

So, if Brady were playing for the Colts they would have won 3 Super Bowls?

Easily. Well, maybe not 2002. I don't think even Brady could have helped them that year.

So you're saying that if you gave Tom Brady the 29th ranked defense in the NFL, he could win a Super Bowl?

C'mon, B, you're going to dwell in the land of the Fictitious?

Fact:
Peyton Manning
Jr High- ZERO Championships
Sr High- ZERO Championships
College- ZERO Championships (Tee Martin?)
NFL- ZERO Championships

Fact:
Tom Brady
3 NFL Championships in 4 years

Fact:
Tom Brady's job is to lead the Patriots to Championships. He has 3 times.

Fact:
Peyton Mannning's job is to lead the Colts to Championships. He has never won a championship of any kind at any level.


I'll take the winner.

rozy wrote:Fact:
Peyton Manning
Jr High- ZERO Championships
Sr High- ZERO Championships
College- ZERO Championships (Tee Martin?)
NFL- ZERO Championships

When you can't even go Shaq-Daddy and say "I've won on every level except college and pro"... you know there's a problem.

Being the only Colts fan who ever shows up on this board, I'll come out and say for the record that Peyton can't be put up there with Brady... ...yet.

On the Colts.com board we've been hashing out this stats vs. title argument seemingly forever with Pats fans. I could bring up all sorts of situations where Manning has shown heart and the ability to make miraculous comebacks. The Tampa Bay monday nighter of 2 years ago comes to mind (down 21 points with 4 minutes to go, wins the game). I could show you situations where Manning has done what was needed to win games outside of just throwing it downfield.

But in the end, the titles will always trump the stats no matter many records are broken.

But I do have to take issue with HapDay. I cannot imagine Brady winning those championships without the likes of Willie McGinnest, Rodney Harrison, Ted washington, Teddy Brushi, Ty Law and co. back there to get the ball in his hands to win those championships.

I suppose this season will be very telling of this argument considering Brady no longer has Teddy Brushi or Ty law back there. At the same time he no longer has Charlie Weiss on the sideline directing him. If Tom Brady is the ultimate super QB as Pats will have us believe, then he'll win it again this year.

Rushville wrote:Being the only Colts fan who ever shows up on this board, I'll come out and say for the record that Peyton can't be put up there with Brady... ...yet.

On the Colts.com board we've been hashing out this stats vs. title argument seemingly forever with Pats fans. I could bring up all sorts of situations where Manning has shown heart and the ability to make miraculous comebacks. The Tampa Bay monday nighter of 2 years ago comes to mind (down 21 points with 4 minutes to go, wins the game). I could show you situations where Manning has done what was needed to win games outside of just throwing it downfield.

But in the end, the titles will always trump the stats no matter many records are broken.

But I do have to take issue with HapDay. I cannot imagine Brady winning those championships without the likes of Willie McGinnest, Rodney Harrison, Ted washington, Teddy Brushi, Ty Law and co. back there to get the ball in his hands to win those championships.

I suppose this season will be very telling of this argument considering Brady no longer has Teddy Brushi or Ty law back there. At the same time he no longer has Charlie Weiss on the sideline directing him. If Tom Brady is the ultimate super QB as Pats will have us believe, then he'll win it again this year.

Its fun talking to Rushville. A fan who actually doesn't suffer from myopia. The Pats did win it all last year without Ty Law for the majority of the season. Their depth is amazing so im sure they will be fine. Their schedule is brutal though.......

Oakland
at Carolina
at Pittsburgh
San Diego
at Atlanta
at Denver
BYE
Buffalo
Indianapolis
at Miami
New Orleans
at Kansas City
Jets
at Buffalo
Tampa Bay
at Jets
Miami

Rushville wrote:Being the only Colts fan who ever shows up on this board, I'll come out and say for the record that Peyton can't be put up there with Brady... ...yet.

...But in the end, the titles will always trump the stats no matter many records are broken.

Watch the Colts playoff loses again. Which QB had the happy feet? Which QB was hesitant? Which QB had more INT's.

Brady isn't perfect but he's cool.....Joe Montana cool.

1.Payton Manning
2.Tom Brady
3.Dante Culpepper
4.Donovan McNabb
5.Trent Green
6.Steve McNair
7.Brett Favre
8.Drew Brees
9..Matt Hassleback
10.Jake Delhomme
11.Drew Pennington
12.Marc Bulger
13.Byron Leftwich
14.Mike Vick
15.Aaron Brooks
16.Kerry Collins
17.Jake Plummer
18.David Carr
19.Carson Palmer
20.Ben Rothlisberger
21.Kurt Warner
22.Joey Harrington
23.Drew Bledsoe
24.Eli Manning
25.AJ Feeley
26.Trent Dilfer
27.Kyle Boller
28.Rex Grossman
29.Brian Griese
30.Patrick Ramsey
31.JP Losman
32.Alex Smith