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Is Lienhart that good?

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:01 am
by frodo_biguns
Is this guy going to be better than Peyton Manning? Shit from the sunds of it, he's God already!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/ ... id=2169979
Leinart's star shines brightly in L.A. sceneBy Pat Forde
ESPN.com
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LOS ANGELES -- For the record, and contrary to Internet myth (imagine such a thing), Matt Leinart says he does not have a bodyguard.

True, campus security has been utilized at times to provide Leinart and teammate Reggie Bush safe passage through the autograph hounds, jock gawkers and thrill seekers who clog the way off the practice field at the University of Sporting Celebrities.

And security was in place to repel an adoration assault upon Leinart and Bush at the Trojans' annual preseason fan barbecue. But, no: When No. 11 is out among the people, you're not likely to find a sadistic no-neck behemoth scanning the crowd for threats to Leinart's personal space.



Whether appearing at the ESPY's or passing to Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart is having fun.He's just your average Jimmy Kimmel guest, really. Another college student leading a simple existence between ESPY appearances, Rolling Stone interviews and guest spots with Jim Rome. Nothing more than a Joe Bag o' Donuts dude with a Heisman Trophy and his own video PR campaign, shared with Bush. (MattReggieTV.com, as described on the USC athletic Web site: "It's raw, it's edgy, it's fun … it's Trojan football, reality TV style.")

Leinart has birthdays with cake and candles, just like everybody else (served at Mood, one of L.A.'s freshest clubs). And his friends sing "happy birthday" to him just like everyone else (the singers being Nick Lachey, Jessica Simpson, Lindsay Lohan, etc.). He puts his pants on one leg at a time (and they're nice pants, worn in the recent Esquire and GQ photo shoots).

"Matt Leinart," USC teammate LenDale White says, "is probably the biggest celebrity in L.A."

That's all.

A pregame trip around the L.A. Coliseum, before the Trojans atomized Arkansas 70-17, lends weight to White's words. Four glamorous, attractive, thirty-something blondes were walking in a pack outside the stadium, and all were wearing Leinart jerseys.

This is the borderline fictional life Leinart has landed in -- he and all the Trojans, thanks to their historic run of excellence. Chicks who normally shop Prada walk around in your jersey, en masse.

No wonder a guy who seems, in his gut, to be first-team All-Affable can be aggrandized to the point of needing security simply to survive an autograph session.

"If I'm going to be at an event signing autographs for two hours, people have to understand," Leinart explained Saturday night, after the latest and possibly greatest offensive masterpiece to date. "I'm not a mean person if I say no."

He's not a mean person, no. He's not even an aloof person under normal circumstances -- but the Trojans passed normal at least one national title ago. So Leinart has had to learn a lesson in protective selfishness during this dizzying metamorphosis from dumpy kid to college stud to rock star.

"[The demands] are a lot," he acknowledged, with eyes that betray a hint of media weariness. "But that's what I've come to understand."

Here's what we all need to understand: USC football, once a faded entity in a fully stocked pro market, has been elevated to NFL-level status in L.A. -- and, truthfully, beyond. To Hollywood A-list status.

You've got a college team that put 90,000 in the Coliseum to watch a game everyone knew would be a blowout. Home games in the monstrous old venue already are sold out for UCLA and Fresno State, and all the rest will draw well. Hard to believe it was only five years ago that the Trojans drew an average of 57,339.

Events have conspired to make the Men of Troy, led by their quarterback, the trendiest athletes in the trendiest town on Earth. The quest for a threepeat national title, the return of a charismatic defending Heisman Trophy winner and his nitroglycerine sidekick, the deconstruction of Kobe Bryant, the absence of the NFL, the relative facelessness of the local baseball franchises … stir it all together, and you have a college team that's become a phenomenon.

"We've got tons of stars," veteran USC sports information director Tim Tessalone said. "With Reggie above that 'star' plateau and Leinart at the 'celebrity' level. In my 27 years here, he's the first 'celebrity' we've had. We've had lots of stars who went on to become celebs -- Marcus [Allen], Keyshawn [Johnson], [Ronnie] Lott, [Jason] Sehorn, etc. -- but none who were at this level in college. And Reggie is approaching that, too. Being in L.A., and the dearth of sports stars on the other teams in town … our guys seem to be taking center stage."



Matt Leinart threw for four TDs and ran for another against Arkansas.The only comparable college team I've seen, in terms of stage presence, star power and squeal appeal, was Duke's 1992 repeat national basketball champions. Leinart is Christian Laettner, the charismatic, untouchable leading man -- only a lot more likeable. Bush is Grant Hill, the guy most likely to drop your jaw at any given moment. Pete Carroll is Coach K, with fewer controlling urges.

The buzz surrounding that Duke team, as it rolled through the epic regional final game against Kentucky in Philadelphia and then the Final Four in Minneapolis, was palpable. The Blue Devils' public workouts in the Spectrum and the Metrodome were spectacles.

But those were the closing acts of a repeat. USC is in the opening acts of a threepeat. And the scene is L.A. Can you imagine what it will be like if the Trojans keep marching along unbeaten into the Rose Bowl to play for the national championship?

"It's pretty crazy," wide receiver Steve Smith said. "I haven't seen it this intense in forever. You can't let it get to you.

"It's getting tough with all the people coming around, but as long as we have great leaders on this team, we'll be all right."

You know where the leadership starts on this team. Same place as the star power.

When the potential No. 1 NFL draft pick comes back to take a ballroom dancing class and sling it around one more time, he's got the admiration of his peers. Right now, the idea of becoming the most decorated college player ever sounds a whole lot better than being bludgeoned (or, worse, carrying a clipboard) in San Francisco.

"I don't regret anything," Leinart said firmly.

He is the perfect embodiment of Carroll's this-is-supposed-to-be-a-blast ethos. He used the F-word several times in the locker room after the Arkansas romp:

"College football's just fun."

"It's fun, yeah. The fans are great. They've helped us in our home games."

"We have so much fun out there."

And that's why he's still playing college ball, instead of pulling down millions in the No Fun League. This game can be a joy -- especially when you play it the way Leinart does.

"Matt just is rolling," Carroll said admiringly. "He's in such command right now."

Not only that, but Matt Leinart isn't tiptoeing around out there, trying to save himself from injury from now until draft day. He's competing like a sandlot hero, lumbering 17 rather glacial yards for a touchdown at one point against the Razorbacks. He took a shot near the goal line and came up jubilant.

No bodyguards present on that play. None needed, either.


Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:35 pm
by Adelpiero
When he goes to a 1-15 football team, then we get to see how good he really is!



He is a great college QB.





Rest we'll have to wait and see.



edit: He is as good as Manning or better as a college Qb. Wait n see fer rest~

Re: Is Lienhart that good?

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:51 pm
by RadioFan
frodo_biguns wrote:Is this guy going to be better than Peyton Manning?
No.

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:40 pm
by Diogenes
Yes, he is.


The second best QB in the PAC 10, that is.

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:10 pm
by GreginPG
Diogenes wrote:Yes, he is.


The second best QB in the PAC 10, that is.
Sincerely,

M2ool

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:51 pm
by Diogenes
mtard follows ASU football?



Who knew?

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:28 pm
by GreginPG
Diogenes wrote:mtard follows ASU football?



Who knew?
KELLER???

:roll:

Oh, ok.

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:07 pm
by Diogenes
We'll see next week, won't we?

BTW, I took USC minus the points against the ducks.

Next week, I'll be taking the Sun Devils.

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:47 pm
by SoCalTrjn
Leinart has already proven he's better than Peyton Manning..... he has shown he can win the BIG GAMES

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:13 pm
by RadioFan
SoCalTrjn wrote:Leinart has already proven he's better than Peyton Manning..... he has shown he can win the BIG GAMES
Fraudo's question had to do with his future, in the NFL. Tons of college Q-backs have won "BIG GAMES" in college, only to fall flat on their faces in the NFL.

Btw, Leinart has a few dudes around him that sorta help him win big games. Manning didn't have a Bush nor a White, at least not to the exent of which those guys get the run they do, nor was Tennessee's defense in the mid-90s that of USC's today.

If somebody wants to post the numbers of Manning and Leinart (so far) in college, I'd be interested.

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:26 pm
by SoCalTrjn
the year aftyer manning left, tennessee won a national title didn't they?
and in the NFL, come on Edgerin James has been better than most if not all of Brady's TB's in New England and Manning hasn't been able to get it done, perhaps Tom Brady is the benchmark that Leinart should try to achieve and not some bumpkin like Manning who is little more than the Jason White of the NFL

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:39 pm
by Jimmy Medalions
I tend to agree with SoCal in that Leinart is cut more from Brady's kind of cloth as a winner. Manning hasn't been able to win the big one at either level. See Florida, four years in a row and the MNC won the following year by Tee Martin.

Having said that, I am a big fan of Manning and for that matter, Tennessee - SC sucked so badly during my years in college that I followed Tennessee as a 2nd team.

It's hard to say how Leinart will turn out in the pros, QB is a funny position like that.

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:44 pm
by SoCalTrjn
here are the career stats for manning and Leinart
Manning 851/1354 62.85% 11,201 yards 90 tds 33 ints w/l 32/5 0 national titles

Leinart 560/862 64.96% 7,591 yards 78 tds 16 ints w/l 27/1 2 national titles

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:50 pm
by Mikey
Diogenes wrote:We'll see next week, won't we?

BTW, I took USC minus the points against the ducks.

Next week, I'll be taking the Sun Devils.
Well now, that just nails it.

ASU must be better than SC.
The Genius has proclaimed it, and is actually betting on it.

( :roll: )

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:20 pm
by RadioFan
Exactly, Jimmah. And thanks for posting the Nos., SoCalTrjn.

Arguments can be made either way, depending on what happens in the future. Leinart could do really well in the NFL and Manning could finally win a Superbowl.

I was a huge fan of Manning when he played for UT. Hell, how the hell could anyone who appreciates offense not like watching dude light it up for 300+ yards, every freaking game?

So far, Leinart has had much better talent around him (not to mention coaching), imo. Although, I remember an interview with Phillip Fulmer on ESPN, shortly after Peyton got drafted. Fulmer said he would be a great QB in the NFL and could go on to break a lot of records.

I agree with Jimmah about Leinart. Dude seems more the Tom Brady type than the Manning/Marino type. Time will tell.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:50 am
by Diogenes
Brady never would have thrown that shitty interception attempt to close the half.

Neither would Keller.

It's all about coposure under pressure.

If Matt's got it he better start showing it.













BTW, Rack Me for jinxing the fuck out of them.
:twisted:

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:57 am
by Ken
Diogenes wrote:It's all about coposure under pressure.

If Matt's got it he better start showing it.
I agree... it's not lke he's ever done it before. What's he waiting for?

Image

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:05 am
by Diogenes
And exactly which games was he under pressure in last year?





A twinkie schedule, and a lame sooners team in the orange bowl didn't really put him to the test all that much.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:24 am
by Mikey
Looks like Leinart has completely lost his poise at this point.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:30 am
by Diogenes
Actually it looks like Pete sat him down and told him to give Reggie the fucking ball.





Good move, they should stick with it.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:39 am
by RadioFan
Mikey wrote:Looks like Leinart has completely lost his poise at this point.
Ala Jason White, vs. A&M.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:40 am
by Mikey
LOL

Matt Leinart
#1 scat back

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:40 am
by Diogenes
Nice run.



Now Quit Passing On First And Second, Asshole.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:42 am
by Diogenes
So is Reggie that good?

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:44 am
by Diogenes
Or is Oregan that bad against the run?

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:45 am
by Vito Corleone
And reality hits the ducks in the mush.

Maybe next year.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:55 am
by Mikey
Diogenes wrote:So is Reggie that good?
Reggie is that good. Dude is slippery as a mofo and fast as lighting.

Hard to believe how bad he makes people look.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:57 am
by Ken
Diogenes wrote:So is Reggie that good? Or is Oregan that bad against the run?
You have the knack for asking the cunning questions... you know... the one's that haven't quite reached the level of cliche' yet.

Do your posts suck that bad... or are we all just that good?

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:58 am
by Ken
... and if you have to ask if Reggie is that good... well... that says it all. Your posts do suck that bad.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:01 am
by Diogenes
Quack.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:03 am
by Diogenes
Ken wrote:... and if you have to ask if Reggie is that good... well... that says it all. Your posts do go over my head that bad.
STFU, loser.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:08 am
by Mikey
Definitely that good

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:11 am
by Diogenes
For the record, I know Reggie is a machine, I was (for the benefit of the dullwitted here) referancing the lame thread title.

Unless Pete Carrol turns into Marty Schottenheimer overnight, he should rush for 100+ with a couple TDs next week.


But if Leintart and co. play like they did next week, the ASU secondary will eat them up.


And this (depleted) defence hasn't seen anything Like ASUs passing game.


Take the over and ASU with the points.




Or pot a rubber over your head and break out your wallet.

Either way, next saturday is going to go to the wire.

Bank on it.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:30 am
by Laxplayer
Leinart has already proven he's better than Peyton Manning..... he has shown he can win the BIG GAMES
I'm sorry, but there's more than one guy on a football team. Why blame Peyton for all of these losses?

That was clearly a block in the back on the last Bush TD run.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:56 am
by Ken
Diogenes wrote:For the record, I know Reggie is a machine, I was (for the benefit of the dullwitted here) referancing the lame thread title.
Yes, I'm sure you were. And we all made the connection and thought it was so hilarious that for a sec, we thought you knew what you were talking about. Then we came to our senses.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:48 am
by frodo_biguns
Adelpiero wrote:When he goes to a 1-15 football team, then we get to see how good he really is!



He is a great college QB.





Rest we'll have to wait and see.



edit: He is as good as Manning or better as a college Qb. Wait n see fer rest~
After what he did today over Oregon! GAWD DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope the Vikings can draft this kid! He is the real smallville deal!

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:49 am
by frodo_biguns
RadioFan wrote:
SoCalTrjn wrote:Leinart has already proven he's better than Peyton Manning..... he has shown he can win the BIG GAMES
Fraudo's question had to do with his future, in the NFL. Tons of college Q-backs have won "BIG GAMES" in college, only to fall flat on their faces in the NFL.

Btw, Leinart has a few dudes around him that sorta help him win big games. Manning didn't have a Bush nor a White, at least not to the exent of which those guys get the run they do, nor was Tennessee's defense in the mid-90s that of USC's today.

If somebody wants to post the numbers of Manning and Leinart (so far) in college, I'd be interested.
:wink:

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:54 am
by frodo_biguns
Jimmy Medalions wrote:I tend to agree with SoCal in that Leinart is cut more from Brady's kind of cloth as a winner. Manning hasn't been able to win the big one at either level. See Florida, four years in a row and the MNC won the following year by Tee Martin.

Having said that, I am a big fan of Manning and for that matter, Tennessee - SC sucked so badly during my years in college that I followed Tennessee as a 2nd team.

It's hard to say how Leinart will turn out in the pros, QB is a funny position like that.
I can tell you as a person who spent time in Knoxville for work for a a long time back in the 90s the Volunteers has an incredible following. I thought we had a lot of Green and Gold garbage around Wisconsin. But when I got to eastern Tennessee, the whole place was orange. And the women! :shock:

One thing I learned when I was there, when you order Iced tea, don't make it a long Island Iced tea. They think of it as a perfectly good waste of tea, even thought tea is not an ingredient. :?

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:48 am
by Q, West Coast Style
After seeing SC live, I made the following conclusion:

SC is a good team. Leinart is a good player. SC is a great team and Leinart is a great player for 1 reason . . .


#5.

Dude is :shock:

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:51 am
by SoCalTrjn
Diogenes wrote:For the record, I know Reggie is a machine, I was (for the benefit of the dullwitted here) referancing the lame thread title.

Unless Pete Carrol turns into Marty Schottenheimer overnight, he should rush for 100+ with a couple TDs next week.


But if Leintart and co. play like they did next week, the ASU secondary will eat them up.


And this (depleted) defence hasn't seen anything Like ASUs passing game.


Take the over and ASU with the points.




Or pot a rubber over your head and break out your wallet.

Either way, next saturday is going to go to the wire.

Bank on it.
ASU needs to wory about keeping Keller healthy the entire game vs SC's defense, tonight was the third game in a row where an opposing QB needed medical attention


and even Ore St roughed Keller up