Trump's Economy

[FiatLux]

Please, somebody help me. I'm trying to understand when the Trump economy started. Here is the 10 year GDP data I am looking at.

[Wolfman]

Yeah--right.

[Kierland]

Fake news.

[Kierland]

He is still getting his social security check so he is all good with bills and whatnot and can proceed with railing against socialism.

[Mikey]

It’s Obama’s fault.

[FiatLux]

In the history books it will forever be known as:

The tRump Virus...

[Slap]

Please, somebody help me. I'm trying to understand when the Trump economy started. Here is the 10 year GDP data I am looking at.

That looks like a flacid dick.

[Get fucked]

Yeah but everything looks like a flacid dick to you slappie boy.


get fucked

[Innocent Bystander]

In the history books it will forever be known as:

The tRump Virus...

On another board, you'd be called a Chinese shill.

[smackaholic]

What exactly is that?

Is it overall GDP?

Obama claims "longest stretch of uninterrupted growth". That graph show a few dips below zero. It also shows that growth was wildly erratic during his stretch, which I don't believe was the case. He oversaw steady, if miniscule growth, which is the best a highly regulated economy can hope for.

As for falling off the cliff at the end, can we all be honest for a second. There are two reasons for it. The 'Rona and the wildly exaggerated response to the 'Rona.

It isn't "Trump's virus". It is all of ours. It could have been a somewhat worse than usual flu year, but it has become a somewhat worse than flu year/depression simply because there are many that want it that way. To those that say a different president would have handled it better? How do you know? What would they have done? I keep hearing about how Barry and Joe had a "playbook". Yeah, sure you did.

Sweden is now pretty much past this bullshit. They didn't crater their economy. They didnt steal half a year of schooling from their kids. They took on a tough pandemic the way we did in the past. Protect the vulnerable, exaggerated distancing and personal hygene and you "power through", just like Hillary does.

[Innocent Bystander]

Please, somebody help me. I'm trying to understand when the Trump economy started. Here is the 10 year GDP data I am looking at.

This is where BP's opinion would be valuable, as this is his area. Or was, at any rate.

For myself, there are multiple things happening here:
1. The wave has less fluctuations under Trump than under Obama. Obama years are choppy, Trump years are smoother rides. Obama's lows are lower than Trump's, like his highs are the same or higher. Trump's was incrementally climbing. But overall, the same.

Since EHFAR, what was happening during the peaks and valleys of each fluctuation?

2. For all of that, the average is consistent. The overall economy did not rise, it did not fall, it stayed the same.

3. 2020 is an outlier which can be interpreted in a couple ways. My interpretation is that the prior 10 years was an example of credit score balance transfer manipulation, national scale. 2020 is the year a freak major medical crisis halted the act, and the true state of a household's financial affairs (the nation's financial affair) was revealed.

No one gets to that point overnight, m2. Refer back to the consistency of the wave, and the events within the wave over that 10 year period.


But what does the graphic maker actually say?

[Mikey]

2. For all of that, the average is consistent. The overall economy did not rise, it did not fall, it stayed the same.

Maybe you need to learn how to read a chart.

[Innocent Bystander]

Hi, Smackaholic. To save room, it's 'beneath the fold'.

[+] unfold

What exactly is that?

Is it overall GDP?
Good questions.

Obama claims "longest stretch of uninterrupted growth". That graph show a few dips below zero. It also shows that growth was wildly erratic during his stretch, which I don't believe was the case.
I agree. What is the graph actually revealing, for the Obama years? If Obama is correct, and the graph is wrong, what was the true purpose of the graph maker's intent (since it isn't honesty)? If the graph is right, but Obama was wrong, what was Obama cherry-picking, and why would he deceive?

He oversaw steady, if miniscule growth, which is the best a highly regulated economy can hope for.
Yeah.

As for falling off the cliff at the end, can we all be honest for a second. There are two reasons for it. The 'Rona and the wildly exaggerated response to the 'Rona.
Three reasons: covid business relief fraud is rampant, widespread and deep. covid citizen relief efforts are stingy, don't take regional COLA into account and are shallow.

(and this is where YT's expertise would be valuable -- if he hadn't bailed and baleeted a la lockheed-martin.)

It isn't "Trump's virus".
MSM is owned by Israel and paid by China.
If they want to meme it into Trump's virus, after inaccurately playing the racism card for any attempts to link it to China and Wuhan, well... Nick Cannon is a nice guy, and will probablyhold a seat at his table for anyone caught up in pulling the curtain back.

It is all of ours. It could have been a somewhat worse than usual flu year, but it has become a somewhat worse than flu year/depression simply because there are many that want it that way.
Covid is not a flu. It is genetically manipulated, released into the wild through Chinese incompetence. The numbers are manipulated, the tests are inaccurate, testing protocol is inconsistent, and the true state of affairs will be revealed only via the consequences of not taking any vaccine offered and not personally complying with contact tracing efforts.

But I agree with you about the many who want things as they are.
The rest of us are just NPCs in their sims game.

To those that say a different president would have handled it better? How do you know? What would they have done?
Good questions.

Obama's handling is already known, though, because he had SARS *and* Ebola to deal with.
Clinton is a Chinese puppet. Whatever Beijing wanted, she and her husband would have given. I don't know about JEB or Bernie.

I keep hearing about how Barry and Joe had a "playbook". Yeah, sure you did.
To their credit, they did. Clinton is not Obama or Biden. She would have done her own thing, which is whatever China paid her to do.

Sweden is now pretty much past this bullshit. They didn't crater their economy. They didnt steal half a year of schooling from their kids. They took on a tough pandemic the way we did in the past.
According to Fortune magazine, though,
https://fortune.com/2020/07/29/no-point ... den-covid/

The development follows months of controversy over Sweden’s decision to avoid a full lockdown. The unusual strategy coincided with a much higher Covid-19 mortality rate than elsewhere in the Nordic region. Per 100,000, Swedish deaths even exceeded those in the U.S. and Brazil.

Sweden has universal healthcare, and the high taxes to pay for it https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22894859/

Sweden's unemployment rate is fucked up the ass, but apparently has been for years https://www.thelocal.se/20200713/new-st ... -in-sweden

Sweden's unemployment benefits are off the chain -- and you get it for 300 days, plus an additional 150 days for people with children under 18 https://www.norden.org/en/info-norden/u ... fit-sweden

Sweden and the US cannot be compared against one another. Sweden can only be compared to the rest of the EU. There's always more to a story, and Sweden illustrates that.


Protect the vulnerable, exaggerated distancing and personal hygene and you "power through", just like Hillary does.

[Mikey]

What exactly is that?

Is it overall GDP?

It appears to be the quarterly fluctuations in annualized GDP growth.

[Innocent Bystander]

2. For all of that, the average is consistent. The overall economy did not rise, it did not fall, it stayed the same.

Maybe you need to learn how to read a chart.

It looks consistent overall, to me. It is not rising rising rising. It is not falling falling falling. Draw a line through the middle of the waves and you get a horizontal.

I though Fiat's point was that Trump was coasting off the benefits and ripples of Obama's economy decisions. That isn't Fiat's point?

[Mikey]

Another way of looking at similar data



A flat line doesn't mean that the economy isn't growing, but that it's growing at a constant rate. To understand the difference you probably need to have at least attempted algebra.

[Bill in Houston]

Looks to me like we had a decade of good GDP, then all hell broke loose.

It also does not show the train wreck that proceeded this period. Remember the debacle that W put us in?
It's a separate discussion, but does illustrate that Republican presidents are not so good for the economy, not to mention society overall.

The point of the graph is to look at the cliff that GDP has fallen off of and ask what could/should have been done.
The science of economics looks at these events to learn from them and prevent a re-occurrence.
Of course, COVID, but how was it addressed?


Dump wants to claim responsibility for the good GDP up until 2020. He should also claim this.

[Kierland]

What exactly is that?

Is it overall GDP?

Obama claims "longest stretch of uninterrupted growth". That graph show a few dips below zero. It also shows that growth was wildly erratic during his stretch, which I don't believe was the case. He oversaw steady, if miniscule growth, which is the best a highly regulated economy can hope for.

As for falling off the cliff at the end, can we all be honest for a second. There are two reasons for it. The 'Rona and the wildly exaggerated response to the 'Rona.

It isn't "Trump's virus". It is all of ours. It could have been a somewhat worse than usual flu year, but it has become a somewhat worse than flu year/depression simply because there are many that want it that way. To those that say a different president would have handled it better? How do you know? What would they have done? I keep hearing about how Barry and Joe had a "playbook". Yeah, sure you did.

Sweden is now pretty much past this bullshit. They didn't crater their economy. They didnt steal half a year of schooling from their kids. They took on a tough pandemic the way we did in the past. Protect the vulnerable, exaggerated distancing and personal hygene and you "power through", just like Hillary does.

Yes your orange menace dropped the ball while most 1st world nations are doing ok because they had leaders. The top four nations for cv all have right wing retards at the helm. You think that is a coincidence? As for Sweden they have more death than their neighbors so even the leftist that tried hands off are fucked.

[FiatLux]

-32.9%

[Mikey]

Price change on MAGA hats?

[Bill in Houston]

:grin:

[Innocent Bystander]

Another way of looking at similar data



A flat line doesn't mean that the economy isn't growing, but that it's growing at a constant rate. To understand the difference you probably need to have at least attempted algebra.

Growing how? growing where? growing for whom?

Your chart is a different set of years from Fiat's, but it illustrates what happened the last time the economy shit the bed. Why did the economy shit the bed in the first place, 12 years ago? Is there an equation for that?

Again, Fiat wants to crow about Trump destroying the economy, and I don't see where that is so before the covid shutdown. Per you, you're confirming the economy was growing under Trump until Covid19.

What is the true point of Fiat's graph?

[Innocent Bystander]

-32.9%

What about it? Shit is fucked -- just like Poptart predicted all along. Now what?

What is the solution?

[FiatLux]

What is the solution?

[Left Seater]

And President Creeper will do what exactly to fix the economy and stop the virus? If he locks everyone down the economy gets worse. If he doesn't the virus continues to spread.

Given that the liberal Team D homers here will continue to blame Trump. This will be a complete reversal of their position from 4 years ago. To them Obama and Her were off limits for blame the day Trump was inaugurated. Any mention of Barry or Her was quickly mocked. Of course they will do just that when Biden is inaugurated and claim it is different now.

Typical of them.

[Kierland]

Nice projection fatso.

[Left Seater]

What exactly is an example of step 2 JSC?

[Screw_Michigan]

And President Creeper will do what exactly to fix the economy and stop the virus? If he locks everyone down the economy gets worse. If he doesn't the virus continues to spread.

Given that the liberal Team D homers here will continue to blame Trump. This will be a complete reversal of their position from 4 years ago. To them Obama and Her were off limits for blame the day Trump was inaugurated. Any mention of Barry or Her was quickly mocked. Of course they will do just that when Biden is inaugurated and claim it is different now.

Typical of them.

Your act is beyond tedious. Other first world nations on earth have not only successfully contained the virus but most have almost eradicated it. They are showing us how to do it. They have been doing it since February with much less warning than we received.

They closed everything down and paid business owners and workers to stay home. They made it a national campaign to have people make sacrifice for the good of the nation. This is how you eradicate a pandemic.

We have done nothing but half ass it from the beginning, mostly with the government hating, science denying, right wing autocrats you elect fanning the flames of this pandemic and its response for political gain. Thankfully most Americans realize this and will be wiping you out of power in November.

Stop acting like we didn't know how to do any better than we have with Covid 19 and that we cannot.

[Screw_Michigan]

What exactly is an example of step 2 JSC?

BUT BUT BUT we can't afford it!

Sincerely,
Left Shitter's response to any liberal proposal

[Left Seater]

Nice straw man projection.

But I get it, that is all you have.

[Bill in Houston]

And President Creeper will do what exactly to fix the economy and stop the virus? If he locks everyone down the economy gets worse. If he doesn't the virus continues to spread.

Here we are again with the little tiny brain thinking in simplistic, binary terms.

Try this sometime, try to come up with just one more alternative to the shit takes you keep laying out here.

[Kierland]

Nice straw man projection.

But I get it, that is all you have.

You reap what you sow. You act like someone who will never answer a direct question directly and you get treated like a baby.

Trickle up is where you let workers have more say, you know, more freedom. But you want them to be tied to the yoke of a master.

[Left Seater]

And President Creeper will do what exactly to fix the economy and stop the virus? If he locks everyone down the economy gets worse. If he doesn't the virus continues to spread.

Here we are again with the little tiny brain thinking in simplistic, binary terms.

Try this sometime, try to come up with just one more alternative to the shit takes you keep laying out here.

Re-read the first sentence. I asked a question. Of course you wanted to go straight to attack mode and didn't comprehend that, if you even read it.

But that's what you as a racist race baiter does.

[Bill in Houston]

Wow, your stupidity goes beyond anything witnessed. How do you survive out there?

Yes. You asked a question. What’s your point with that? Does asking a question that you immediately provide a false choice answer to somehow make you a big thinker???

Do you even see how simple and stupid you are?

[Kierland]

He asked a question and then answered it with a false dichotomy, because he was on his second lunch break when he should have been in 10th grade logic.

[Derron]

Other first world nations on earth have not only successfully contained the virus but most have almost eradicated it. They are showing us how to do it. They have been doing it since February with much less warning than we received.

But how many of them are having a Presidential election this fall ??

Thankfully most Americans realize this and will be wiping you out of power in November.

So say Joe and Michelle win this fall??? ...what happens then to reverse your hate for the POTUS into glowing cum drenched praise for Joe and Michelle ? What do they do first, second ??

Stop acting like we didn't know how to do any better than we have with Covid 19 and that we cannot.

Dude, that is a horrible butchering of the English language and I have no fucking idea where you are going with that.

[Screw_Michigan]

Dude, that is a horrible butchering of the English language and I have no fucking idea where you are going with that.

Lay off the glass, tiny.

[L45B]

Trickle up is where you let workers have more say, you know, more freedom. But you want them to be tied to the yoke of a master.

This means there needs to be more jobs than people.

What do you propose the government is capable of doing to achieve this?

[Softball Bat]

Trickle up is where you let workers have more say, you know, more freedom. But you want them to be tied to the yoke of a master.

This means there needs to be more jobs than people.

What do you propose the government is capable of doing to achieve this?

Trickle up, trickle down...
Such concepts are part of the old, dying order.

America will come out of this period fundamentally transformed.
There will be a radically different paradigm -- and it won't be good for Joe Amerikan.
At least those who have not been killed off.

The old order needs to be obliterated, and that is what is occurring now.


Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance


We are still in the early stages, and the prevailing mood is denial.
Some anger is surely creeping in, also.

We've got a ways to go, and look for the next shoe to drop very soon.

[Kierland]

Trickle up is where you let workers have more say, you know, more freedom. But you want them to be tied to the yoke of a master.

This means there needs to be more jobs than people.

What do you propose the government is capable of doing to achieve this?

WTF are you babbling about? People having more control at work means more jobs than people? What does that even mean?