Jeremy Roenick meltdown-Wow, one for the ages
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Jeremy Roenick meltdown-Wow, one for the ages
Did anyone catch JR losing it at some press conference?
He attacked his union and basically told everyone to kiss his ass. Twice.
Roenick goes on tirade over NHL lockout
TSN.ca Staff with KDKA files
6/26/2005 9:16:32 AM
The National Hockey League and NHL Players' Association may be off for the weekend from CBA talks, but that didn't stop Philadelphia Flyers forward Jeremy Roenick from offering up another two cents on the topic, ripping the process, the upcoming deal and the fans.
Roenick, who was speaking at a Saturday media conference for Mario Lemieux's charity golf tournament, let out all his frustrations on the NHL lockout in a profanity-laced diatribe.
"They could have listened to the players who had an idea of where this was going - myself, (Flyers teammate) Robert Esche, (Calgary Flames captain) Jarome Iginla and (St. Louis Blues defenceman) Chris Pronger," he explained.
"But in February, I didn't think the deal stood up."
Roenick was referring to his involvement with Esche, Pronger and Iginla as part of a group that reportedly tried to put forth new, independent ideas for a collective bargaining agreement. Several reports said that some of his fellow players were later upset and angry over his actions.
Roenick also said Saturday that the new CBA will be much less than what was offered to the Players' Association back in February.
"If we would have signed that deal in February, in terms of what we're getting now, we would have looked like heroes," he added.
"Right now we look like a bunch of idiots...The deal in February beats the fuck out of the deal we're gonna sign in July."
Roenick said the labour war has turned into his worst defeat since the 1992 playoffs.
Though both the NHL and NHLPA have had weeks of small-group meetings and intense bargaining sessions, neither side has been specific about when a deal could finally be done. It's believed a tentative deal could be reached as early as next week or after the Canada Day and Fourth of July weekend. The renewed sense of optimism over an impending deal is a stark contrast to the doom and gloom of four months ago when NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman cancelled the 2004-2005 season.
"It's unfortunate we had to go through a whole year to realize the shit that was going on," said Roenick. "We've hurt our league, we've hurt the reputation of our league and the integrity of our league by sticking up for something that might not have been the right thing to do."
Roenick then made his case for NHL players and what he thought of public opinion up to this point.
"If people are going to sit and chastise pro athletes for being cocky - for being suck asses - they need to look at one thing and that's the deal we're going to be signing in about three weeks," he said.
"Pro athletes are not cocky. Pro athletes care about the game. Everybody out there who calls us spoiled because we play a game - they can kiss my ass."
Roenick went on to say that the players didn't want those so-called "fans" at the rink.
"I will say personally, personally, to everybody who calls us spoiled - you guys are just jealous... We're trying to get this thing back on the ice and make it better for the fans. If you don't realize that, then don't come. We don't want you in the rink, we don't want you in the stadium, we don't want you to watch hockey."
Even if a new NHL collective bargaining agreement is reached, the 15-year NHL veteran may not make a return to the ice.
Roenick told Sporting News Radio on Friday that he has not made up his mind about whether or not he'll lace up his skates again.
"I have to see how my body reacts to some really, really, really hard training regimen here coming up in the latter part of the summer," he said.
"It's very hard to get motivated without a deal. Once that announcement comes, I think the motivational factor will definitely be lifted. I have not 100 percent made my decision to play, but to tell you the truth, I have a lot of drive in me and really, really want to continue."
"I will say personally, personally...we....we....we..we" lmao
"We're signing a deal next week. I may not return"
JR is a egomaniac on a grand scale.
He attacked his union and basically told everyone to kiss his ass. Twice.
Roenick goes on tirade over NHL lockout
TSN.ca Staff with KDKA files
6/26/2005 9:16:32 AM
The National Hockey League and NHL Players' Association may be off for the weekend from CBA talks, but that didn't stop Philadelphia Flyers forward Jeremy Roenick from offering up another two cents on the topic, ripping the process, the upcoming deal and the fans.
Roenick, who was speaking at a Saturday media conference for Mario Lemieux's charity golf tournament, let out all his frustrations on the NHL lockout in a profanity-laced diatribe.
"They could have listened to the players who had an idea of where this was going - myself, (Flyers teammate) Robert Esche, (Calgary Flames captain) Jarome Iginla and (St. Louis Blues defenceman) Chris Pronger," he explained.
"But in February, I didn't think the deal stood up."
Roenick was referring to his involvement with Esche, Pronger and Iginla as part of a group that reportedly tried to put forth new, independent ideas for a collective bargaining agreement. Several reports said that some of his fellow players were later upset and angry over his actions.
Roenick also said Saturday that the new CBA will be much less than what was offered to the Players' Association back in February.
"If we would have signed that deal in February, in terms of what we're getting now, we would have looked like heroes," he added.
"Right now we look like a bunch of idiots...The deal in February beats the fuck out of the deal we're gonna sign in July."
Roenick said the labour war has turned into his worst defeat since the 1992 playoffs.
Though both the NHL and NHLPA have had weeks of small-group meetings and intense bargaining sessions, neither side has been specific about when a deal could finally be done. It's believed a tentative deal could be reached as early as next week or after the Canada Day and Fourth of July weekend. The renewed sense of optimism over an impending deal is a stark contrast to the doom and gloom of four months ago when NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman cancelled the 2004-2005 season.
"It's unfortunate we had to go through a whole year to realize the shit that was going on," said Roenick. "We've hurt our league, we've hurt the reputation of our league and the integrity of our league by sticking up for something that might not have been the right thing to do."
Roenick then made his case for NHL players and what he thought of public opinion up to this point.
"If people are going to sit and chastise pro athletes for being cocky - for being suck asses - they need to look at one thing and that's the deal we're going to be signing in about three weeks," he said.
"Pro athletes are not cocky. Pro athletes care about the game. Everybody out there who calls us spoiled because we play a game - they can kiss my ass."
Roenick went on to say that the players didn't want those so-called "fans" at the rink.
"I will say personally, personally, to everybody who calls us spoiled - you guys are just jealous... We're trying to get this thing back on the ice and make it better for the fans. If you don't realize that, then don't come. We don't want you in the rink, we don't want you in the stadium, we don't want you to watch hockey."
Even if a new NHL collective bargaining agreement is reached, the 15-year NHL veteran may not make a return to the ice.
Roenick told Sporting News Radio on Friday that he has not made up his mind about whether or not he'll lace up his skates again.
"I have to see how my body reacts to some really, really, really hard training regimen here coming up in the latter part of the summer," he said.
"It's very hard to get motivated without a deal. Once that announcement comes, I think the motivational factor will definitely be lifted. I have not 100 percent made my decision to play, but to tell you the truth, I have a lot of drive in me and really, really want to continue."
"I will say personally, personally...we....we....we..we" lmao
"We're signing a deal next week. I may not return"
JR is a egomaniac on a grand scale.
Lily-livered bandicoots!
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JR has consistently said he thought union negotiations have been botched from the start. I'll give him that.
I do remember him publicly apologizing to his union brothers for shooting his mouth off in the press...and he promised it would never happen again. (Of course, this was around the time he was considering forming his own league *lmao*)
Yet he goes into Mario's charity tournament and drops bomb after bomb....at a press conference! Now that's a broken promise.
I do remember him publicly apologizing to his union brothers for shooting his mouth off in the press...and he promised it would never happen again. (Of course, this was around the time he was considering forming his own league *lmao*)
Yet he goes into Mario's charity tournament and drops bomb after bomb....at a press conference! Now that's a broken promise.
Lily-livered bandicoots!
JR has always been one of the more outspoken guys...this doesn't really shock me to see this. I do like the fact that most NHL players are quiet off the ice but you never really know how any of them feel. It's guys like Roenick and Hull that speak their mind that freaks some people out. They can talk all that want...just get a deal done already and quit playing golf!
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Are there still idiots who support the NHLPA in all of this? I can guarantee you Roenick isn't the only player feeling what he is. It just goes to show you how far away from reality the players are. I hope when the deal is signed the owners get together and refuse to pay one dime over the salary cap 'floor'.
Otis wrote: RACK Harper.
Hapday wrote:Are there still idiots who support the NHLPA in all of this? I can guarantee you Roenick isn't the only player feeling what he is. It just goes to show you how far away from reality the players are. I hope when the deal is signed the owners get together and refuse to pay one dime over the salary cap 'floor'.
Roenick's just bitter because nobody took his 'group' seriously.
No surprise that you'd want to see them low balled.
So why do you hate capitalism Hap?
BWAHAHAAHapday wrote:Why do you support over-pricing the consumer?Otis wrote: No surprise that you'd want to see them low balled.
So why do you hate capitalism Hap?
I am not against capitalism, that is why I am enjoying the owner's rape of the NHLPA.
You really do honestly believe that the owners would cut the prices for tickets, concessions etc and not stuff it back into their fat cat asses?
Good god you're naive.
There's at least one team already (Leafs) that have said there are no plans to reduce ticket prices.
And they have an ownership that actually cares about the game.
Unlike some markets that the owners don't know the first thing about and could care less about hockey as long as they can turn a fast buck.
And I'm sure you'll be laughing when the owner of the company that you work for decides he's paying you too much and as a result is over charging consumers for his products..I am not against capitalism, that is why I am enjoying the owner's rape of the NHLPA.
They will if they open up to an empty barn. I don't plan on dropping a dime on the NHL unless they kiss my ass big time. In smaller markets with little demand (outside of Canada) the owners will have to lower ticket prices or face filling a chapter 11.Otis wrote:
You really do honestly believe that the owners would cut the prices for tickets, concessions etc and not stuff it back into their fat cat asses?
:roll: I'm not the one that thought the NHLPA stood a chance of winning this.Otis wrote:Good god you're naive.
No shit, Sherlock. The Leafs could charge $2,000 a game for nose bleeds and still sell out.Otis wrote:There's at least one team already (Leafs) that have said there are no plans to reduce ticket prices.
And they have an ownership that actually cares about the game.
Unlike some markets that the owners don't know the first thing about and could care less about hockey as long as they can turn a fast buck.
That is a seriously dumb argument. If the owner of my company is overpaying one employee :roll: and has to over charge for his product because of it, he won't be in business long. Neither would the NHL have, at the pace salaries were heading for strickly a gate-driven league.Otis wrote:And I'm sure you'll be laughing when the owner of the company that you work for decides he's paying you too much and as a result is over charging consumers for his products.
I wonder if the members of the NHLPA are smart enough :roll: to realize the owners are about to rape Goodenow, and he isn't going to get a single consession. I hope those lost millions were worth it!
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Seriously now, you don't honestly believe that any team will lower their prices do you?Hapday wrote:They will if they open up to an empty barn. I don't plan on dropping a dime on the NHL unless they kiss my ass big time. In smaller markets with little demand (outside of Canada) the owners will have to lower ticket prices or face filling a chapter 11.Otis wrote:
You really do honestly believe that the owners would cut the prices for tickets, concessions etc and not stuff it back into their fat cat asses?
Even Betteman has said over and over again.. ticket prices were not going to be lowered in conjunction with costs being lowered.
I will give you this though, a few Chapter 11's would be beneficial to the game.
Otis wrote:Good god you're naive.
Where did I say that I thought the NHLPA would ever come out of this with an even better CBA than the existing one?Hapday wrote::roll: I'm not the one that thought the NHLPA stood a chance of winning this.
But wait, aren't you saying that the owners would and should kiss the fans asses by lowering ticket prices etc.. to get them back?Otis wrote:There's at least one team already (Leafs) that have said there are no plans to reduce ticket prices.
And they have an ownership that actually cares about the game.
Unlike some markets that the owners don't know the first thing about and could care less about hockey as long as they can turn a fast buck.Hapday wrote:
No shit, Sherlock. The Leafs could charge $2,000 a game for nose bleeds and still sell out.
So it's okay for one not to lower them but everyone else should?
Care to get off the fence?
Okay, let me re-phrase it for you then...Otis wrote:And I'm sure you'll be laughing when the owner of the company that you work for decides he's paying you too much and as a result is over charging consumers for his products.Hapday wrote:
That is a seriously dumb argument. If the owner of my company is overpaying one employee :roll: and has to over charge for his product because of it, he won't be in business long. Neither would the NHL have, at the pace salaries were heading for strickly a gate-driven league.
The owner of your company is overpaying all his employees and decides to rape them because he's overcharging for his product because of it..
Will you be laughing then?
And with respects to the NHL... why should any NHL franchise be treated differently than any business franchise that can't make ends meet..
Goodenow told them, it might take 2 years to make the owners cave. The players are the only ones at the bargaining table that actually have a love for the game. They've given back a huge concession because of their love for the game.Hapday wrote:I wonder if the members of the NHLPA are smart enough :roll: to realize the owners are about to rape Goodenow, and he isn't going to get a single consession. I hope those lost millions were worth it!
The fact that you're so in favour of using the term 'rape' to describe what the NHL's position, pretty much says it all about how each side views these negotiations.
NHL wants to rape their players
NHLPA only wants a fair deal because of their love of the game.
Roenick only had one good year of hockey left in him when the lockout began.
Somebody send him SunCoastSooner's addy- he may need it pretty soon.
Somebody send him SunCoastSooner's addy- he may need it pretty soon.
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Did anyone catch Roenick's retort on SportsCenter? Dan Patrick killed his own media brethren by making them out as the 10-second sound clip machine that it has been when he asked what else did Roenick say that was newsworthy? ESPN and other media outlets did rake him over the coals for that short piece of film rather than looking at the entire press conference.
He's always been a quotable guy and a bit of a hot head. I suppose I get what he meant by telling those who blame the players only to kiss his ass but when you give a bunch of dry comments and then tell people to kiss your ass at the end...that's the part the news shows will want to give us. No one cares he had a press conference at Lemieux's golf tournament...they care about the fact he said 'ass' when talking about some vocal fans.
Fans do have the right to be upset right now but he shouldn't have said they should kiss his ass. Not every fan is a lap dog like he makes them out to be. If you really wanted to do something for the fans, you should've signed that deal with the $43 million salary cap instead of being stubborn. Right now, no one knows where the league goes from here. Instead of giving us fluffy comments...get to the bargaining table and hammer out a deal. You can't wait for the fall and expect all of us to keep waiting patiently.
He's always been a quotable guy and a bit of a hot head. I suppose I get what he meant by telling those who blame the players only to kiss his ass but when you give a bunch of dry comments and then tell people to kiss your ass at the end...that's the part the news shows will want to give us. No one cares he had a press conference at Lemieux's golf tournament...they care about the fact he said 'ass' when talking about some vocal fans.
Fans do have the right to be upset right now but he shouldn't have said they should kiss his ass. Not every fan is a lap dog like he makes them out to be. If you really wanted to do something for the fans, you should've signed that deal with the $43 million salary cap instead of being stubborn. Right now, no one knows where the league goes from here. Instead of giving us fluffy comments...get to the bargaining table and hammer out a deal. You can't wait for the fall and expect all of us to keep waiting patiently.
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Bwahahaha watched JR's spinjob, only cool part of the interview was the Sun Valley poster in the background. :P Could it be possible that JR had a few too many when he was interviewed at Mario's golf tourney?
July is approaching, they need to get a deal done in order to get 2 months of marketing in for season tix and signing players.
July is approaching, they need to get a deal done in order to get 2 months of marketing in for season tix and signing players.
Cross Traffic wrote:July is approaching, they need to get a deal done in order to get 2 months of marketing in for season tix and signing players.
Can't argue with you there. The longer they wait, the more cynical I am about them not playing next year. What happened to them making progress on the salary cap structure? What have they done since the season was cancelled to give us fans some hope for a deal to be struck soon? The NBA took care of business where both sides made concessions and they struck a deal a week before they're self-imposed deadline. I just don't see the same urgency from the NHL. Do they think they've got a lot of time to waste after they lost an entire year of revenue? The NHL isn't exactly playing with house money right now...they've got to get out of this before they start pissing off the loyal fans.
A guy at the athletic club I belong to was one of the league's consultants when the old CBA expired.
Allegedly, at the time the lockout was decided upon, the break-even point for the league (the point at which the owners lose less money by NOT playing than they do by playing) is late November, early December, 2005. He said he'd be surprised if they reached an agreement & started playing again before this Christmas
Allegedly, at the time the lockout was decided upon, the break-even point for the league (the point at which the owners lose less money by NOT playing than they do by playing) is late November, early December, 2005. He said he'd be surprised if they reached an agreement & started playing again before this Christmas
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Here's a segment from a story in the Boston Globe:
Sounds like the NHL owners outside of Toronto are going to lower ticket prices.Meanwhile, the Buffalo Sabres are among a few teams that have already announced price restructuring. For Buffalo's HSBC Area, the lowest price for season tickets is $10 a game for the upper bowl and $21 for the lower bowl. The Ottawa Senators, St. Louis Blues, and San Jose Sharks may reduce prices. The Maple Leafs didn't reduce theirs (which range from $37 to $182) but said they won't increase them.
The Mighty Ducks, under new owners Henry and Susan Samueli, new general manager Brian Burke, and new CEO Tim Ryan, plan an aggressive approach to winning back fans. In addition to dropping ticket prices and freezing them for the 2006-07 season, the club will offer season ticket-holders free food and parking for the first three games of the 2005-06 season.
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The Flames have said they are not lowering ticket prices.
That seems fair to me, since the Flames already had the lowest prices in the league. And not only is it fair, but they can get away with it, as there are currently 15000 season ticket holders in place. Supply and demand.
I attended a session with about 100 other season ticket holders where Darryl Sutter and Ken King spoke, and it seemed the vast majority of us were quite content with paying the current prices.
But the fact that Ken King was virtually assuring us there would be hockey in September didn't hurt. The general sentiment seemed to be, "Get it right, and we'll be back. But don't you dare sit for another season".
That seems fair to me, since the Flames already had the lowest prices in the league. And not only is it fair, but they can get away with it, as there are currently 15000 season ticket holders in place. Supply and demand.
I attended a session with about 100 other season ticket holders where Darryl Sutter and Ken King spoke, and it seemed the vast majority of us were quite content with paying the current prices.
But the fact that Ken King was virtually assuring us there would be hockey in September didn't hurt. The general sentiment seemed to be, "Get it right, and we'll be back. But don't you dare sit for another season".
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Hapday wrote:Those greedy owners should have lowered them to $15!!Captain Haddock wrote:
As for teams lowering ticket prices, the Ottawa Citizen says Buffalo, Rangers & Ducks are definitely lowering their prices. Buffalo will have $21 lower bowl seats.
Sincerely,
Otis.
We'll have to wait and see now eh?
But as JR said for the ignorant fans, even free tickets probably won't be enough to get them back.
Hap, now that the Leafs won't have such a huge player salary commitment, from listening to JF Jr and Pat Quinn this week, they'll be taking a good portion of those savings and investing it into other areas of their hockey team.
Instead of luring the best players with $$$, they'll be luring the best scouts, coaches etc...
And all legally done under Betteman's CBA
:lol:
Well if the first sign of that is having John Ferguson Jr as GM and re-signing Pat Quinn as coach, we've precious little to worry about.Otis wrote:they'll be taking a good portion of those savings and investing it into other areas of their hockey team.
Instead of luring the best players with $$$, they'll be luring the best scouts, coaches etc...
And all legally done under Betteman's CBA
:lol:
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It's about damn time! They haven't had a decent scouting staff since the late 60's/early 70's. :x :x Since then, any player they drafted that was any good was either a complete accident or a no-brainer.Otis wrote:
Hap, now that the Leafs won't have such a huge player salary commitment, from listening to JF Jr and Pat Quinn this week, they'll be taking a good portion of those savings and investing it into other areas of their hockey team.
I have also heard that under the new CBA (whenever its signed) that teams will be able to buy out players without it affecting their salary cap. Goodbye Owen Nolan, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! :twisted: :twisted:Otis wrote:Instead of luring the best players with $$$, they'll be luring the best scouts, coaches etc...
If this is the case, I wonder if the Islanders will buy out Alexei Ca$hin's salary?
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