Walter Mondale

[mvscal]

A candidate who wants to impose 20% across the board tariff (and you’re worried about inflation? ). Who has threatened to arrest his political opponents and journalists who he doesn’t like. Who stated today that he would not accept the results of the election if he doesn’t win. etc., etc., etc.

And what, exactly has he “delivered?” Besides a horrible pandemic, of course. And 34 felony convictions.

Wow. Why do you hate America?

For someone who despises the idea of binary genders, you have no issues with imposing a binary view where tariffs are concerned.

Do a bit more research before spouting off about the horrors of tariffs.

When used appropriately, they are actually a positive, and create growth.

Funny how Biden never rescinded any of Trump’s tariffs too.

Also overlooked is that the threat of imposing tariffs is a negotiating tactic. You want to sell your shit in the largest market on planet earth? Let's talk about just how badly you want to sell your shit here.

[Mikey]

When used appropriately

Apparently you haven’t been following very closely.

Not too surprising.

[Screw_Michigan]

Also overlooked is that the threat of imposing tariffs is a negotiating tactic. You want to sell your shit in the largest market on planet earth? Let's talk about just how badly you want to sell your shit here.

They're not a negotiating tactic but an idle threat when you're a pant-shitting, shit-dribbling braindead mongoloid like Dump who's too stupid to understand any nuance in trade policy. "MOARE TARRIFFS" to everything is not an acceptable platform. Now fuck off.

[88BuckeyeGrad]

You seem to think that he's a better candidate than she it.

She it? I agree that Harris is an awful candidate. But we don’t need to call her names, do we?

Your reading comprehension is lacking. This is comparing Trump to she it, not Harris.

She it, I feel better now.

[Mikey]

Always happy to help.

[mvscal]

Also overlooked is that the threat of imposing tariffs is a negotiating tactic. You want to sell your shit in the largest market on planet earth? Let's talk about just how badly you want to sell your shit here.

They're not a negotiating tactic but an idle threat when you're a pant-shitting, shit-dribbling braindead mongoloid like Dump who's too stupid to understand any nuance in trade policy. "MOARE TARRIFFS" to everything is not an acceptable platform. Now fuck off.

Bravo. That was an exceptionally retarded response. You have lowered the bar. Outstanding.

[HighPlainsGrifter]

I finally have some time to sit down and discuss the realities of Kamala's economic plan. Sorry for the wait.
Let's start at the top.

Nearly 100 Business leaders agree...
Golly. Almost a whole hundred? Do you think that's a lot? And who are they? Are they all military contractors? What they agree upon certainly sounds like organizations whom profit from war, "support the continued strength, security, and reliability of our democracy and economy."

I'd counter with 59% of independent business owners whom, "“strongly or somewhat” approve of the way the Trump administration has handled business-related issues. Also, 53% said the administration’s policies have had a positive impact on their businesses..." Those positive results come even though just 39% of respondents identified as Republican, with 30% independent, 26% Democrat and the rest not sure or preferred not to answer.

Goldman Sachs and Moody's Analysis
Independent fact checkers had this to say about Kamala's claim, "...she is wrong about the Wharton analysis and exaggerates what Goldman Sachs said."
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In the campaign event with Winfrey, Harris cited the “Wharton School of Business.” She is referring to analyses performed by the Penn Wharton Budget Model of Harris’ and Trump’s tax and spending plans, and PWBM did not conclude that her plan “would strengthen the economy, his would weaken it,” as she said.

PWBM found that Harris’ plan would reduce the nation’s gross domestic product more than Trump’s, and would reduce workers’ wages more.
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In her interview with MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle, Harris said analysts at Goldman Sachs, a global investment and wealth management firm, “said my plan would grow the economy” and Trump’s “would shrink the economy.”

In fact, the analysts found that the economy would continue to grow under both candidates. If Trump wins, the growth would be a bit smaller in Trump’s first year, but that “abates in 2026,” the report said. If Harris wins, there would be at best a “very slight boost to GDP growth” in the first two years, the report said, referring to the real GDP, which is adjusted for inflation.

The company’s chief executive officer suggested the difference in the economic impact between the two candidates isn’t significant.
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A survey of 40 top economists at the Financial Times and University of Chicago found that 70% to 3% Harris would be better than Trump on inflation
First off, if you're going to survey institutions that are populated by Leftists at a rate exceeding 95%, you're going to get favorable results for...wait for it.... Leftist policies. Government spending is what drives inflation. Period. Full stop. Kamala is going to spend more government money than Donald Trump. This is proven science. Recent estimates say we'll be printing 3-4 trillion dollars per year to fund her agenda. Claiming Trump's tax cuts will cause more inflation than spending $3T a year on war and carbon capture is some fucking bullshit.

Secondly, this kind of rhetoric from economists has happened before, and I'm certain you fell for it then too. In 2016, cnbc published an article entitled, "370 top economists publish scathing letter against ‘dangerous, destructive’ Trump." In the article, the economists state, "“Donald Trump is a dangerous, destructive choice for the country. He misinforms the electorate, degrades trust in public institutions with conspiracy theories, and promotes willful delusion over engagement with reality... “If elected, he poses a unique danger to the functioning of democratic and economic institutions, and to the prosperity of the country." I know you agree with that entire statement but four years of Trump economic policy offer a reality vastly different from the panicked delusions of 370 politically active "economists."
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Tariffs will raise costs and increase inflation
This is fearmongering. The ONLY thing that causes inflation too much money chasing too few goods. Kamala & Friends like to claim all cost increases are "inflation." It's the same modality that claims corporate greed causes inflation. That's not possible because corporate greed does not control the money supply. Inflation is regulated by the Federal Reserve through prime interest rates and money printing. Period. Full stop. There is no third leg. We printed too much money too fast while shutting down businesses during COVID and the combination led to inflation. Claiming otherwise is a manipulation tactic and should be called out.

Tariffs penalize foreign companies for making products overseas. In response to a tariff, they will probably raise prices. Just like they will if the price of fuel or raw materials go up. The tariff acts like a tax and should encourage domestic production over foreign production. In the short term, consumers pay higher prices. In the long term, production should return to domestic shores and create jobs and economic growth domestically. Threatening a tariff as a bargaining tool can be sufficient to encourage domestic production and in my opinion, it should be used as such. The economic models Leftists think tanks are using to claim Americans will pay $4000/year more are assuming 60% tariffs are being implemented and that's simply false. A 60% tariff is a bargaining tool. Applying it to an economic model is a political move. Anyone capable of thinking for themselves and not basing their opinion on an infographic with no citation or published methodology would know this.
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In summary, the infographic is selling you something. Think for yourself.

[Sven Golly]

Always happy to help.

Always happy to help with what?

Helping the board understand the depth of your ignorance?

In that case, we already knew, but thanks anyway...

[FiatLux]

Pull up the clip of the dinner at your leisure. You do know how to google right?

Are you too stupid to post the video?

You do know how to post a video right?

I asked you to post the video do you not remember?

...and still waiting.

Looks like Dr. Sven has been caught in another lie.

[Sven Golly]

Are you too stupid to post the video?

You do know how to post a video right?

I asked you to post the video do you not remember?

...and still waiting.

Looks like Dr. Sven has been caught in another lie.

What lie Douchebag-by-Fiat?

[FiatLux]

Ok. I'll read for you too. Shit for brains.

1. Post the video of Trump laughing.

2. You said you had one. But were too stupid to post it so you asked me to look it up on google.

3. Cut and paste the video like you and seer always do, because you're both to stupid to post videos.


Am I perfectly clear?

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Navigating the tags on this site is harder than calculus. Good luck, Sven. We're all pulling for you.

[Mikey]

Wow. You wrote that all by yourself? I'm impressed.

Tariffs will raise costs and increase inflation

Tariffs penalize foreign companies for making products overseas. In response to a tariff, they will probably raise prices. Just like they will if the price of fuel or raw materials go up. The tariff acts like a tax and should encourage domestic production over foreign production. In the short term, consumers pay higher prices. In the long term, production should return to domestic shores and create jobs and economic growth domestically. Threatening a tariff as a bargaining tool can be sufficient to encourage domestic production and in my opinion, it should be used as such. The economic models Leftists think tanks are using to claim Americans will pay $4000/year more are assuming 60% tariffs are being implemented and that's simply false. A 60% tariff is a bargaining tool. Applying it to an economic model is a political move. Anyone capable of thinking for themselves and not basing their opinion on an infographic with no citation or published methodology would know this.
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In summary, the infographic is selling you something. Think for yourself.

This sounds wonderful, in theory. So how long for this miraculous transformation to take place? A few days? A week? A couple of months? A year? Ten years? In the meantime, what about the average working folks, and retired people on fixed income, who have already been slammed by inflation because of Trump's pandemic? They'll see the prices they pay for a whole lot of every day goods, and big ticket items they may have been saving up for, increase immediately by 20% to 60% (yes, Trump's proposal imposes a 60% "bargaining tool" on everyone buying anything imported from China). You all seem to really focus on inflation when the "other" party is in office. But you elites and your Right Wing ivory tower cronies don't seem to give a shit when it serves your own purpose.

And what modeling are your assumptions based on? Where's the real world data and hardcore analysis showing that this would work the way you claim, without throwing the economy into a tail spin? You've conveniently ignored how retaliatory tariffs would affect American exports, which would almost certainly result in increased unemployment. Where's your "citation or published methodology," or are you not capable of thinking for yourself? Frankly I would trust climate scientists (on climate) and/or a Ouija board (on the economy) before listening to to the geniuses who brought us "trickle down." And where does all that tariff money, which impacts the working class a lot more than the wealthy Republican elites, go? This is just as likely a scam to pay for more Trump tax cuts for corporations and billionaires, and stuff his own crooked pockets, on the backs of the working class.

[Sven Golly]

Ok. I'll read for you too. Shit for brains.

1. Post the video of Trump laughing.

2. You said you had one. But were too stupid to post it so you asked me to look it up on google.

3. Cut and paste the video like you and seer always do, because you're both to stupid to post videos.


Am I perfectly clear?

As clear as Cackles' explaining alpha decay to fourth graders...

Would you like to super-size your OCD?

[FiatLux]

Ok. I'll read for you too. Shit for brains.

1. Post the video of Trump laughing.

2. You said you had one. But were too stupid to post it so you asked me to look it up on google.

3. Cut and paste the video like you and seer always do, because you're both to stupid to post videos.


Am I perfectly clear?

As clear as Cackles' explaining alpha decay to fourth graders...

Would you like to super-size your OCD?

Just as suspected. Another Dr. Sven lie to add to the pile.

-No video of Trump laughing.

I was thinking of voting for Trump. But, I can't vote for someone that can't laugh.

Just like all the Republicans are now going to vote for Harris. Add another for President Harris.

[Sven Golly]

Ok. I'll read for you too. Shit for brains.

1. Post the video of Trump laughing.

2. You said you had one. But were too stupid to post it so you asked me to look it up on google.

3. Cut and paste the video like you and seer always do, because you're both to stupid to post videos.


Am I perfectly clear?

As clear as Cackles' explaining alpha decay to fourth graders...

Would you like to super-size your OCD?

Just as suspected. Another Dr. Sven lie to add to the pile.

-No video of Trump laughing.

I was thinking of voting for Trump. But, I can't vote for someone that can't laugh.

Just like all the Republicans are now going to vote for Harris. Add another for President Harris.

Keep descending into your own personal abyss Corky.

How much is a new SUV? Bout a hundred fifty dollars...

How much is a Hershey bar? Bout a hundred fifty dollars...

[FiatLux]

As clear as Cackles' explaining alpha decay to fourth graders...

Would you like to super-size your OCD?

Just as suspected. Another Dr. Sven lie to add to the pile.

-No video of Trump laughing.

I was thinking of voting for Trump. But, I can't vote for someone that can't laugh.

Just like all the Republicans are now going to vote for Harris. Add another for President Harris.

That's what I thought. Good boy.

[Sven Golly]

Just as suspected. Another Dr. Sven lie to add to the pile.

-No video of Trump laughing.

I was thinking of voting for Trump. But, I can't vote for someone that can't laugh.

Just like all the Republicans are now going to vote for Harris. Add another for President Harris.

That's what I thought. Good boy.

It's going to be beautiful to see you melt down when Trump wins.

[Diego in Seattle]

That's what I thought. Good boy.

It's going to be beautiful to see you melt down when Trump wins.

For how long have you been experiencing these hallucinations?

[HighPlainsGrifter]

Wow. You wrote that all by yourself? I'm impressed.

Tariffs will raise costs and increase inflation

Tariffs penalize foreign companies for making products overseas. In response to a tariff, they will probably raise prices. Just like they will if the price of fuel or raw materials go up. The tariff acts like a tax and should encourage domestic production over foreign production. In the short term, consumers pay higher prices. In the long term, production should return to domestic shores and create jobs and economic growth domestically. Threatening a tariff as a bargaining tool can be sufficient to encourage domestic production and in my opinion, it should be used as such. The economic models Leftists think tanks are using to claim Americans will pay $4000/year more are assuming 60% tariffs are being implemented and that's simply false. A 60% tariff is a bargaining tool. Applying it to an economic model is a political move. Anyone capable of thinking for themselves and not basing their opinion on an infographic with no citation or published methodology would know this.
-------------------

In summary, the infographic is selling you something. Think for yourself.

This sounds wonderful, in theory. So how long for this miraculous transformation to take place? A few days? A week? A couple of months? A year? Ten years? In the meantime, what about the average working folks, and retired people on fixed income, who have already been slammed by inflation because of Trump's pandemic? They'll see the prices they pay for a whole lot of every day goods, and big ticket items they may have been saving up for, increase immediately by 20% to 60% (yes, Trump's proposal imposes a 60% "bargaining tool" on everyone buying anything imported from China). You all seem to really focus on inflation when the "other" party is in office. But you elites and your Right Wing ivory tower cronies don't seem to give a shit when it serves your own purpose.

And what modeling are your assumptions based on? Where's the real world data and hardcore analysis showing that this would work the way you claim, without throwing the economy into a tail spin? You've conveniently ignored how retaliatory tariffs would affect American exports, which would almost certainly result in increased unemployment. Where's your "citation or published methodology," or are you not capable of thinking for yourself? Frankly I would trust climate scientists (on climate) and/or a Ouija board (on the economy) before listening to to the geniuses who brought us "trickle down." And where does all that tariff money, which impacts the working class a lot more than the wealthy Republican elites, go? This is just as likely a scam to pay for more Trump tax cuts for corporations and billionaires, and stuff his own crooked pockets, on the backs of the working class.

I'm going to set aside your hyperbolic DNC talking points and answer some of the meaningful questions you asked.

How long does it take? What does it cost?
I don't have a crystal ball to predict the future, but we have some historical precedent to examine. And independent thinker like yourself (snigger) could have looked this up on your own, but that's okay. HPG is here to help.

About six or seven years ago, Apple was losing market share to Samsung in the personal electronics industry. Apple is headquartered in the US but makes their devices in China. Samsung makes theirs in Korea. Electronics made in China are tariffed but Korea's are not. So Apple went to POTUS and asked for some help. The President gave Apple a one year tariff exemption with a caveat: Apple needs to start building devices domestically. In response, Apple built a product development and manufacturing campus in Texas.

Did cell phone prices skyrocket 60%? No.
Did prices go down? Also no.
But a company was encouraged to invest locally by using tariffs as a negotiating tactic. The jobs created are worth far more than the tariff. And it happened in a year or maybe two.

There are more examples but if you won't pay attention to that one, you won't pay attention to the next one so we'll leave it here and address your next question.
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what about the average working folks, and retired people on fixed income
1. Stop printing money.
2. Lower the price of energy through increased supply and relaxed regulations. Energy costs affect cost at every step of production and distribution. Lower energy prices and consumer prices go down.
3. Stop printing money.
4. Stop flooding the labor pool with illegal immigrants
5. Stop printing money.
6. Bring down the cost of housing by restricting the sale of single family homes to private equity firms and other massive corporations.
7. Stop flooding the housing market with illegal immigrants.
8. Stop printing money.
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And what modeling are your assumptions based on? Where's the real world data and hardcore analysis showing that this would work the way you claim, without throwing the economy into a tail spin?
The irony is delicious. Your screen shot of Kammy's economic plan included none of that shit. But you didn't bat an eye. Nope, you gobbled that up like pudding in a pudding eating contest.
As I said in my first response, there is abundant historical precedence for what I'm talking about. Go find it, ya lazy git. I'm not your googlebitch.
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And where does all that tariff money, which impacts the working class a lot more than the wealthy Republican elites, go?
It goes into a dedicated account labeled, "Hunter's Hookers & Blow" until further notice.

[smackaholic]

What are Kamala's qualifications to lead the world's biggest economy?

Well... she isn't Donald Trump.

Rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat.

Don't forget her middle class (allegedly) upbringing. She seems to think pointing repeatedly is important.

[mvscal]

What are Kamala's qualifications to lead the world's biggest economy?

Well... she isn't Donald Trump.

Rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat.

Don't forget her middle class (allegedly) upbringing. She seems to think pointing repeatedly is important.

She sucks lots of cocks, too. That's also pretty important.