Soon to head for Trots, the Doc Detroit Rose colored lenses

[Mister Bushice]

And to think that I am the one being attacked by posters on Main Street. At least I am a good faith poster here.

Holy, Shit. I don't read most ofthe crap you post here, but I saw this, and almost coughed up a lung. Talk about delusions.

[DrDetroit]

Unlike you, Bushice, I post here in good faith. I don't blatantly lie. I admit mistakes. I don't only attack the messenger. I don't attack the people who compile data as you do. Etc., etc.

Sudden Sam is being very disingenuous in this thread and I called him on it.

You got a problem with that?

[Mister Bushice]

Unlike you, Bushice, I post here in good faith. I don't blatantly lie. I admit mistakes. I don't only attack the messenger. I don't attack the people who compile data as you do. Etc., etc.

Sudden Sam is being very disingenuous in this thread and I called him on it.

You got a problem with that?

You personally insult everyone, you never admit that other people have a valid point or the right to have a different opinion, and you ignore facts.

Why in hell do you think you're taking so much heat on Main street and were denied access to PP?

The clues are sitting there, smoking.

[DrDetroit]

You personally insult everyone,

as does every other poster here, bushice.

you never admit that other people have a valid point

sure I do. in fact, i told smackie that just this morning. fact is that I have never told you that you have a valid point because I haven't seen you make one yet.

or the right to have a different opinion,

wtf is this? you child. no one has a "right" to have a different opinion. where does this "right" come from? why would I have to ever admit that someone has the "right" to a different opinion? isn't it self-evident that people have different opinion on a wide range of issues?

this is the weakest thing I have ever seen here. :roll:

and you ignore facts.

I do, eh? link?

rather, I disagree with the interpretation of facts and the blatant mischaracterizations of my arguments. that's not ignoring the facts.

as well, as I have proven over and over and over, I'm about the only the poster here who actually posts data.

Why in hell do you think you're taking so much heat on Main street

I know why several posters are constantly crying about me on Main Street, but it's not hot nor bothersome. on the other hand it appears that they are hot and bothered.

and were denied access to PP?

denied? that would presume that I applied. I didn't.

[Mister Bushice]

^^^ Thanks for the classic example.

[DrDetroit]

Elaborate.

Otherwise ^^^ is nothing more than a giant "quack."

[Felix]

The reason you get hammered is because you're tedious, predictable, and humorless--but other than that, you really fucking suck......

[Mister Bushice]

Excellent Elaboration. :)

[DrDetroit]

The reason you get hammered is because you're tedious, predictable, and humorless--but other than that, you really fucking suck......

Thanks for the clarification, Felix. Then again, that about sums up the majority of posters here.

Who doesn't know how Dins is going to respond? Cuda? Prime X? Luther? Just for examples...

[DrDetroit]

Excellent Elaboration. :)

Well?

In fact, I completely demolished your post, bushice. This is why you responded as you did.

Now...you're a mod...separate this shit and start a new thread. Quit derailing threads with you crybaby shit.

[Felix]

Who doesn't know how Dins is going to respond? Cuda? Prime X? Luther? Just for examples...

One HUGE difference between you and the posters noted above.

They can all be funny at times......you can't

[Mister Bushice]

Excellent Elaboration. :)

Well?

In fact, I completely demolished your post, bushice. This is why you responded as you did.

Now...you're a mod...separate this shit and start a new thread. Quit derailing threads with you crybaby shit.

This is EXACTLY the problem I outlined. You always think you get over and are always correct.

Add in what Felix says and there you have it. No need for me to pour gasoline on the fire. There isn't a person on this board who doesn't know you for what you are.

[Tom In VA]

I'm not feeling all the Dr. D hate here.

I don't see how he is any more or less irritating than any other poster.

For my money, although we don't always agree, and he goes for the jugular no matter who it is he's a good read more often than not.


That's my $.02

[RadioFan]

I admit mistakes.

Link?

[DrDetroit]

Who doesn't know how Dins is going to respond? Cuda? Prime X? Luther? Just for examples...

One HUGE difference between you and the posters noted above.

They can all be funny at times......you can't

Nonsense...the FTFY I ran on Luth this morning was hysterical. Though the hatred for me just won't allow the grippers here to acknowledge that.

It's kinda like the Dems hatred of Bush where their congressional leaders call Bush a "loser."

[DrDetroit]

Excellent Elaboration. :)

Well?

In fact, I completely demolished your post, bushice. This is why you responded as you did.

Now...you're a mod...separate this shit and start a new thread. Quit derailing threads with you crybaby shit.

This is EXACTLY the problem I outlined. You always think you get over and are always correct.

Add in what Felix says and there you have it. No need for me to pour gasoline on the fire. There isn't a person on this board who doesn't know you for what you are.

When it comes to me and you posting...yes, I am always right.

But so what? There is no single correct answer in politics, dumbshit. That you dipshits think so kinda demonstrates that you neither understand what you're discussing nor do you have the ability to proerly discuss it.

[DrDetroit]

I admit mistakes.

Link?

Fuck off, dipshit. More than once I've posted that I was mistaken about something or made a mistake in posting something.

I have no obligation to demonstrate this to you. You wouldn't accept it anyway.

[Mister Bushice]

I'm not feeling all the Dr. D hate here.

I don't see how he is any more or less irritating than any other poster.

For my money, although we don't always agree, and he goes for the jugular no matter who it is he's a good read more often than not.


That's my $.02

His posts, like mvscals and to an extent Bsmacks, are loaded with personal insults of the "stupid fuck, idiot, moron", type that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Endless references to red herrings, straw men, and why do you lie?

I skip over most of his posts, so it doesn't really bug me much. You, Variable, Mike the LR and Bsmack (because he rarely instigates the insults, he just jumps into the shallow end a lot) are good reads here. There are a few others too. I can usually tolerate reading mvscal because he brings a lot to the table, but I tire of his insult and attack posting style and lose interest in reading it. Detroit is like a puppy with his teeth in a slipper. He thinks he's the only one with a valid point and won't let go of that and belittles anyone who counters his viewpoint because he not only has to be right he think she has to prove the other person is wrong. He just doesn't get it.

You don't do that at all Tom, despite disagreeing with me I can't recall you ever taking the low road. It makes the whole discussion more interesting to read and participate in when there's none of the "You fucking moron" "Clueless Idiot" type stuff to wade through.

There are two sides to every issue where people on opposites sides will never ever agree, and being proud that you won an internet argument is really pathetic. It's not about the result, it's about the process.

[RadioFan]

When it comes to me and you posting...yes, I am always right.

Yeah, everyone pretty much has that figured out, Mr. Unpredictable.

Shocking that you can't post a simple link of where you allegedly "admitted a mistake."

Actually it isn't, because it doesn't exist, boot-licker.

[DrDetroit]

When it comes to me and you posting...yes, I am always right.

Yeah, everyone pretty much has that figured out, Mr. Unpredictable.

Shocking that you can't post a simple link of where you allegedly "admitted a mistake."

Actually it isn't, because it doesn't exist, boot-licker.

No, I am not going to go through all my posts to find it.

Your line of reasoning is the same as arguing that I've never bashed bush which is completely false.

[Mister Bushice]

No, RF is correct. You never ever give in on any topic. When it becomes painfully obvious, you simply stop posting in that thread.

Case in point - a thread awhile back about nixon taping himself in the oval office where you scoffed at that idea that we were lying and it was untrue, then two of us promptly linked articles proving you were wrong, and you just stopped responding in that thread.

On other topics where it IS possible for two opinions to exist, you refuse to ever back down and admit that it is possible the other person has any validity.

[DrDetroit]

His posts, like mvscals and to an extent Bsmacks, are loaded with personal insults of the "stupid fuck, idiot, moron", type that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Poor little baby is offended?

Endless references to red herrings, straw men, and why do you lie?

Well, when the show fits...

Why does this bother you? Do you pride yourself on posing invalid arguments?

Detroit is like a puppy with his teeth in a slipper. He thinks he's the only one with a valid point and won't let go of that and belittles anyone who counters his viewpoint because he not only has to be right he think she has to prove the other person is wrong. He just doesn't get it.

It's hilarious how you think you are in a position to speculate about what motivates me to post... :roll:

Nonetheless, I rack people for good points, whether I agree with them or not. Just as propped Sudden Sam for pointing out the shitty politicking of Rove re: a judge.

What is there to "get?" I challenge arguments because I disagree with them. I challenge the content and then attack the person for being an idiot for making invalid arguments or absurdly flase statements.

I'm sorry if you find this offensive. Most people are uncomfortable having their opinions challenged. But that's not my problem, its' yours.

You don't do that at all Tom, despite disagreeing with me I can't recall you ever taking the low road. It makes the whole discussion more interesting to read and participate in when there's none of the "You fucking moron" "Clueless Idiot" type stuff to wade through.

Watch yourself, you're standing in a glass house.

There are two sides to every issue where people on opposites sides will never ever agree,

Typically, there's more than just two sides to an issue. You're simply too stupid to figure that out.

and being proud that you won an internet argument is really pathetic. It's not about the result, it's about the process.

And there you go again. You really have nothing here more than unsubstantiated speculation about me.

Here's a pointer...take a breather from worrying why I post.

[DrDetroit]

No, RF is correct. You never ever give in on any topic. When it becomes painfully obvious, you simply stop posting in that thread.

I did in Main Street just this morning re: Smackie Chan's post about blasting liberals not being fresh.

That you will ignore an example from today proves that you're unwilling to be reasonable and will reach immediately to the exaggerations bag.

Case in point - a thread awhile back about nixon taping himself in the oval office where you scoffed at that idea that we were lying and it was untrue, then two of us promptly linked articles proving you were wrong, and you just stopped responding in that thread.

Link that, please. Because I don't remember telling you that you were lying about Nixon taping himself. Anyone with any idea of presidential history knows that.

Link the posts specifically, Bushice. Your example is specific enough that you should have no problem finding it.

On other topics where it IS possible for two opinions to exist, you refuse to ever back down and admit that it is possible the other person has any validity.

Wrong. The problem is the way you argue your points. You pose invalid arguments which cut the legs from under the ppoint you're trying to run.

[Mister Bushice]

Dude, You're not worth the time. I can't count the number of times you've boasted how you have buried people in thread topics. Who gives a fuck? This is a meaningless internet message board we all waste valuable time posting on. There's no medal for "winning", and the bottom line is posters like the ones I listed about (and several I didn't) are enjoyable to spar with. You are not, and your reply above is a prime example of why.

The fact you can't see that is really no surprise to me at all, and again, there's a reason you have the reputation you have. You earned it. End of argument.

[DrDetroit]

Well, you were right, Bushice. I exited that thread after the point I was arguing was proven wrong.

So what you're whining about is that I didn't pop back in to say I had been run?

Okay.

I was run from that thread.

Happy now?

[DrDetroit]

Dude, You're not worth the time. I can't count the number of times you've boasted how you have buried people in thread topics. Who gives a fuck? This is a meaningless internet message board we all waste valuable time posting on. There's no medal for "winning", and the bottom line is posters like the ones I listed about (and several I didn't) are enjoyable to spar with. You are not, and your reply above is a prime example of why.

The fact you can't see that is really no surprise to me at all, and again, there's a reason you have the reputation you have. You earned it. End of argument.

There you go, again.

You keep speculating that I care about "winning" something. WTF do you think that I think there is to "win?"

Keep speculating. meanwhile, I'll keep demonstrating that your posts are wrongheaded or simply invalid.

[Tom In VA]

But by the same token Dr. D, politico threads belong here, not on Main Street.

From an outsider perspective it almost looks like you post them up there to say ...

"Go ahead, move 'em, I dare you".

Not very conservative IMO.

Furthermore, whether you like it or not, there are certain rules regarding posts. A conservative approach would be, follow the rules. It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not, all that matters is that you make a choice to respect the rules of a board run at no cost to you.

This is nothing more and nothing less than a communication medium. Throwing around insults, ALL THE TIME, is not an effective manner of communication.

[DrDetroit]

Well, right after PP was openned and there was little to no traffic here I posted several strictly political threads there.

However, over the last few weeks I don't think too many have been strictly political. E.g., the media observation threads. I don't consider those to be political in nature.

Props to the rest of your post, however, I disagree with the note re: insults...those are the basis of 90% of posts here. Board practice has undermined an informal policy...

[Mister Bushice]

and you, Mvscal, and Bsmack are the leaders of the pack in that regard.

I see no problem with saying a post is stupid or wrong, but I also see no reason to tell someone they are an idiot, a cunt, a fucking moron, a liar, etc. in the process of making a point. Like Tom said throwing around insults, ALL THE TIME, is not an effective manner of communication, but it is yours.

[Mister Bushice]

Has no place in a discussion of any type, unless you are still in grade school or are just a low class fop.

carry on.

[DrDetroit]

and you, Mvscal, and Bsmack are the leaders of the pack in that regard.

Leaders???

Cuda? Dins? Meds? PrimeX?

We're the leaders? Puhlease.

I see no problem with saying a post is stupid or wrong, but I also see no reason to tell someone they are an idiot, a cunt, a fucking moron, a liar, etc. in the process of making a point.

The truth hurts, eh?

If someone's point exposes them as a pussy, well, I'm gonna call it.

Like Tom said throwing around insults, ALL THE TIME, is not an effective manner of communication, but it is yours.

If that's all you get out of it, that's your problem. Unlike you and BSmack and several others here, we post valid arguments while you're reduced down to straw man arguments, ad hominem attacks, and red herrings entries.

[Tom In VA]

I don't know about that mvscal. This is an offshoot of several offshoots of a smack board, SCIII.

Each time, and at each offshoot, the meanings, intent, and tone of the boards changed. Some, preferred "smack" be restricted to a specific forum.

Of course the vast majority of us are used to "smack" style stuff, so it rarely raises an eyebrow anymore. But in general, fuck it.

Here's the bottom line. I enjoy the reads here offered by mostly all the posters. Dr. D, mvscal, and BSmack, all bring some quality game to the table. When the threads get reduced to "You polesmoking cuntlipped moron", I just stop reading. It usually doesn't even get there until all forms of intelligent argument and the good information has already been produced.

Kind of like two boxers lasting into the final rounds of a killer fight. Towards the end, both end up a bit tired, throwing some sloppy haymakers, and their best "form" and such were already witnessed in the earlier rounds.

Besides, sometimes, it's funny as hell. Reminds me of the old SNL skit with Dan Ackroyd and Jane Curtin. Inevitably, their "Point/CounterPoint" was reduced down to "Jane, you ignorant slut".




But, I will say, mvscal, Dr D, BSmack, et. al. hell, all of us ... are at our best when we're discussing matters in a civil manner and bringing information and our takes on the information to light.

[Mister Bushice]

and you, Mvscal, and Bsmack are the leaders of the pack in that regard.

Leaders???

Cuda? Dins? Meds? PrimeX?

We're the leaders? Puhlease.

Those guys rarely if ever post here in the SZ.

I see no problem with saying a post is stupid or wrong, but I also see no reason to tell someone they are an idiot, a cunt, a fucking moron, a liar, etc. in the process of making a point.

The truth hurts, eh?

If someone's point exposes them as a pussy, well, I'm gonna call it.

That's just your opinion, not fact. You can't separate those two.

Like Tom said throwing around insults, ALL THE TIME, is not an effective manner of communication, but it is yours.

If that's all you get out of it, that's your problem. Unlike you and BSmack and several others here, we post valid arguments while you're reduced down to straw man arguments, ad hominem attacks, and red herrings entries.

Yes, according to you. And Don't go the "we" route. You aren't in the same class as mvscal and Bsmack. You're nothing but a Bush admin parrot.

[Mister Bushice]

This is a smack board. Deal with it, pussy.

No, this is a political discussion forum. The smack board is main street and PP. Smack of that type is not allowed at all in the sports forums and is easier to police, but we have a more open topic format here, so we asked everyone to go by those guidelines.

Now if I was you, I would have finished this post with something like "Only a totally clueless fucking retarded moron with his head up his ass would have trouble figuring that out"

But I'm not like that. ;)

[DrDetroit]

I see, the Spin Forum is not considered a smack board??

And there you go again...why do you suggest that I can't separate opinion from fact?

And I'm nothing but a Bush parrot?? I guess criticizing Bush re: farm bills, NCLB, protectionist trade policies, immigration, social security just don't count, right? And I'm supposed to believe that you're a good faith poster? Puhlease.

[Mister Bushice]

I see, the Spin Forum is not considered a smack board??

Smack is not the intent in this forum discussion is, thus the reason it was split from Main Street, because most people find political discussion tedious to read. THAT has only been stated a billion times here. Where have you been?

And there you go again...why do you suggest that I can't separate opinion from fact?

Because you can't. You think because you believe it, it is fact, when in reality it is only your opinion.

And I'm nothing but a Bush parrot?? I guess criticizing Bush re: farm bills, NCLB, protectionist trade policies, immigration, social security just don't count, right?

farm bills, NCLB, protectionist trade policies? When in hell have those ever been a major topic here?

As for immigration, I think most people are in agreement on the administrations failed policies, but you also never fail to blame CLinton for that, as well as social security, instead of just saying why doesn't Bush do something, it's always " well, Clinton didn't either".

On all of the other issues, you are a GOP mouthpiece, nothing more.

And I'm supposed to believe that you're a good faith poster? Puhlease.

I frankly don't care what you believe. I gave up dealing with most of your shit long ago. It's tedious.

[DrDetroit]

Smack is not the intent in this forum discussion is, thus the reason it was split from Main Street, because most people find political discussion tedious to read. THAT has only been stated a billion times here. Where have you been?

Bullshit. Smack is smack regardless whether it's in the main forum, spin forum, or otherwise.

Because you can't. You think because you believe it, it is fact, when in reality it is only your opinion.

Yet, ironically here, I am about the only one who posts actual data, who actual directly quotes those I am discussing. Care to explain this?

You know, in the other thread we're posting in right now...I'm the only one posting facts, while you're relying on conjecture and hyperbole.

Care to explain this given your posts there and the above comment?

farm bills, NCLB, protectionist trade policies? When in hell have those ever been a major topic here?

Oh, I see...if they haven't been posted here they don't count? Sorry, but I posted much of that at ToT. Also, it's irrelevant whether you think that they were major discussions.

Fact remains that I do and have cracked the administration for bad calls like NCLB, farm policy, immigration, social security, protectionist trade policies. And I'd do it, too, if the energy issue came up.

As for immigration, I think most people are in agreement on the administrations failed policies, but you also never fail to blame CLinton for that, as well as social security, instead of just saying why doesn't Bush do something, it's always " well, Clinton didn't either".

And this ^^^ is why you're a fucking idiot.

What "new" immigration policies have been enacted by this administration? Of course, there have been no major legislative changes. On the other hand, conservatives have been hammering Bush on his guest worker plan (read amnesty). So wtf are you talking about?

Also, re: hitting Clinton...when you bash Bush for a continuation of existing policy that's when I ask you if you felt the same way when Clinton was in office or Democrats had control of Congress.

Why? because I am almost positive that you didn't similarly criticize them. That's why.

But you always avoid that question. Because answering it honestly would expose your Bush bashing as simply that, bashing Bush because he's Bush and not having a critical thought about the policy.

On all of the other issues, you are a GOP mouthpiece, nothing more.

Ah, yes, the typical resort of someone completely devoid of ideas.

I frankly don't care what you believe. I gave up dealing with most of your shit long ago. It's tedious.

Hmmm, that's interesting...care to take a look at what you've been doing the last few hours??

[Mister Bushice]

Smack is not the intent in this forum discussion is, thus the reason it was split from Main Street, because most people find political discussion tedious to read. THAT has only been stated a billion times here. Where have you been?

Bullshit. Smack is smack regardless whether it's in the main forum, spin forum, or otherwise.

Sorry, You don't get to make the rules. The majority of posters decided they wanted it that way, not just me, and childish insult smack was NOT on the list.

Because you can't. You think because you believe it, it is fact, when in reality it is only your opinion.

Yet, ironically here, I am about the only one who posts actual data, who actual directly quotes those I am discussing. Care to explain this?

No, because stat/data posting isn't what I was talking about.

You know, in the other thread we're posting in right now...I'm the only one posting facts, while you're relying on conjecture and hyperbole.

Care to explain this given your posts there and the above comment?

This is your porblem. You aren't posting facts, you are posting your OPINION on a topic that you are giving credence as fact.

farm bills, NCLB, protectionist trade policies? When in hell have those ever been a major topic here?

Oh, I see...if they haven't been posted here they don't count?

EXACTLY! If I said you are a Bush parrot based on what was posted in THIS FORUM, and those topics are not discussed in THIS FORUM, they are irrelevant to the argument that you are a bush parrot, because on every other major talking point here, YOU ARE a Bush parrot.

Sorry, but I posted much of that at ToT. Also, it's irrelevant whether you think that they were major discussions.

If they come up once a year as an aside to a major topic and are not follwoed thorugh on, they are insignificant and were overlooked or not recognized for that same reason.

Fact remains that I do and have cracked the administration for bad calls like NCLB, farm policy, immigration, social security, protectionist trade policies. And I'd do it, too, if the energy issue came up.

Fine, but I wasn't talking about TOT, where I rarely posted or read, nor are those points we discuss regularly if at all here, except for immigration perhaps.

As for immigration, I think most people are in agreement on the administrations failed policies, but you also never fail to blame CLinton for that, as well as social security, instead of just saying why doesn't Bush do something, it's always " well, Clinton didn't either".

And this ^^^ is why you're a fucking idiot.

^^ doesn't belong in a discussion, hence the reason I mostly ignore you. I may think the same of you, but I rarely if ever say it in a topical discussion. I stick to the argument.

What "new" immigration policies have been enacted by this administration? Of course, there have been no major legislative changes. On the other hand, conservatives have been hammering Bush on his guest worker plan (read amnesty). So wtf are you talking about?

Also, re: hitting Clinton...when you bash Bush for a continuation of existing policy that's when I ask you if you felt the same way when Clinton was in office or Democrats had control of Congress.

Clinton is 6 years in the past. GET OVER IT. Bush is now standing on his own two feet for what happens and how he reacts to it.

Why? because I am almost positive that you didn't similarly criticize them. That's why.

Hmm - is that conjecture and hyperbole you are relying on?

But you always avoid that question. Because answering it honestly would expose your Bush bashing as simply that, bashing Bush because he's Bush and not having a critical thought about the policy.

Wrong. I've never been asked specifically what I felt about Clinton on this board, but I've made it clear on other boards in the past, and frankly as far as I'm concerned He's OVER. You guys just can't let that fact go.

On all of the other issues, you are a GOP mouthpiece, nothing more.

Ah, yes, the typical resort of someone completely devoid of ideas.

Again, I am not the only one who thinks this way about you, and you do wave the Bush flag high and in lock step on most of the key issues.

I frankly don't care what you believe. I gave up dealing with most of your shit long ago. It's tedious.

Hmmm, that's interesting...care to take a look at what you've been doing the last few hours??

I said "Most" I figured one last shot in this thread at trying to get into your head what this board is supposed to be about, but as usual, I got nowhere.

[Mister Bushice]

We had a thread up on it a few months ago. You were one of the few who bitched about it, then took your ball and left, then came back the next day.

2 or 3 other people bitched about it, but two of those don't even post here. The other 6 or so responses were in favor.

Like it matters to you.

[DrDetroit]

Sorry, You don't get to make the rules. The majority of posters decided they wanted it that way, not just me, and childish insult smack was NOT on the list.

News to me.

No, because stat/data posting isn't what I was talking about.

I asked you to elaborate and you refused to. So clarify your position then.

This is your porblem. You aren't posting facts, you are posting your OPINION on a topic that you are giving credence as fact.

Which topic would that be?

EXACTLY! If I said you are a Bush parrot based on what was posted in THIS FORUM, and those topics are not discussed in THIS FORUM, they are irrelevant to the argument that you are a bush parrot, because on every other major talking point here, YOU ARE a Bush parrot.

Jesus, split hairs, much? Talk about weak.

No, I am not a Bush parrot. My posts bear that out. Also, I don't simply repeat what Bush says or the administration says. Mostly here I am defending the administration against baseless attacks. That's not being a parrot.

So if you're going to split hair, try to get it right. Of course, you're not splitting hairs. Your argument was flase and now you're backpedaling.

BTW - you didn't qualify your point re: me being a Bush parrot only to my posts here:
You're nothing but a Bush admin parrot

Like I said, you're backpedaling.

Fine, but I wasn't talking about TOT, where I rarely posted or read, nor are those points we discuss regularly if at all here, except for immigration perhaps.

So what? You alleged I was a Bush parrot. That neither correctly classifies my posting here nor is it an accurate assessment.

If they come up once a year as an aside to a major topic and are not follwoed thorugh on, they are insignificant and were overlooked or not recognized for that same reason.

Bitch, whether they are major here or not is irrelevant. Education is a major issue. Immigration is a major issue. Social Security is a major issue. Trade is a major issue. Agriculture is a major issue. And in all of those I have criticized the administration.

STFU, already, liar.

^^ doesn't belong in a discussion, hence the reason I mostly ignore you. I may think the same of you, but I rarely if ever say it in a topical discussion. I stick to the argument.

It was appropriate given your response.

Clinton is 6 years in the past. GET OVER IT. Bush is now standing on his own two feet for what happens and how he reacts to it.

It's no use. You refuse to answer civil questions and directly address the points I made.

And you're compaling about me?

Hmm - is that conjecture and hyperbole you are relying on?

No, it's fact. I base that on the fact that you bash Bush for simply continuing the policies from the prior administration, yet, you do not similarly bash the Clinton administration.

That's an important acknowledgment. It demonstrates that your criticism of the policy is bogus and is premised on the person implementing it and not the policy itself.

Wrong. I've never been asked specifically what I felt about Clinton on this board, but I've made it clear on other boards in the past, and frankly as far as I'm concerned He's OVER. You guys just can't let that fact go.

It doesn't matter if you were asked.

The fact is that you claim Bush created new policies when in fact they existed when he became President (immigration policies) and then bash Bush for policies that existed before he became President. It demonstrates that you don't know wtf you are talking about and demonstrates that you're interested nly in bashing Bush. It exposes the bad faith argument you're making.

Again, I am not the only one who thinks this way about you, and you do wave the Bush flag high and in lock step on most of the key issues.

There you go again.

I said "Most" I figured one last shot in this thread at trying to get into your head what this board is supposed to be about, but as usual, I got nowhere.

Well, you've certainly given up here, Bushice, because you failed in several instances to actually directly address the points I made.