OU Birdline out for Season

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:19 am

First let me say I hope birdline recovers and makes it back next season. He seems like a good kid.

With that said

How the Hell does two Dlinemen each tear their bicep muscle? I'm sorry but I'm calling roids on this. I've been around weightrooms since I was in 7th grade and that is a very unusual muscle to tear especially in young football players. I've seen wrestlers injure their bicep but most of the time it has to do with sport it self. Strain yes, partial tear? Maybe. But 2 guys doing it calls into question What is happening to the muscle that has made it so brittle.

Again, I hope he gets well and suffers no ill effects from the injury.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:42 am

Figured Birdline would have torn his Hamstring trying to remove his foot from his mouth or ass, whichever

By JEFF LATZKE, Associated Press Writer
December 21, 2004

NORMAN, Okla. (AP) -- Get the bulletin board ready: Oklahoma defensive end Larry Birdine thinks Southern California's offense is ``average.''

Birdine made that known Tuesday in a series of statements that showed he wasn't all that impressed with the offense the No. 1 Trojans will bring to the Orange Bowl to face the Sooners on Jan. 4.

``I feel like they're, I'd say, a one-and-a-half-man team,'' Birdine said. ``I want to respect them just because I have to play them, but then I watch them on tape and everything, and I realize that they're an average team.''

Birdine repeatedly praised Reggie Bush, the Trojans' All-American all-purpose player who returns punts, lines up as a tailback and wide receiver, and finished fifth in the Heisman voting.

But Birdine had little positive to say about Bush's teammates on offense, particularly quarterback Matt Leinart.

``Besides Reggie Bush -- he's a great athlete, he's a fast back, he makes plays or whatever -- but nobody else stands out to me,'' Birdine said.

``Matt Leinart, he's the Heisman Trophy winner, but he hasn't been driving them -- or he hasn't been winning games. Up 'til the last four or five games, Reggie Bush has been their difference-maker.

``We feel like if we take Reggie out of the game, we're gonna win.''

Birdine doesn't think Leinart should have won the Heisman -- and that's not just because he was rooting for OU teammates Adrian Peterson and Jason White, who finished second and third.

``If anybody should have won it from USC, it should have been Reggie Bush,'' Birdine said. ``I don't think that (Leinart) was the best quarterback. (Utah's) Alex Smith -- he was better than Matt Leinart. I don't think Matt Leinart should have won.''

Birdine later added: ``He's definitely overrated. Like I said, he's a good quarterback, but he's not a Heisman-winning quarterback.''

Birdine said he realized he could be providing USC with motivational material and said his opinions didn't necessarily reflect the mind-set of the team.

``I don't know if that's the mood in the locker room,'' Birdine said. ``I ask some guys and they say, 'They're good.' I haven't seen them on defense, but if our offense don't turn the ball over and their offense can't score, then I believe we're going to win the game.''

Birdine also made the case that second-ranked Oklahoma faced tougher competition in the Big 12 than USC did in the Pac-10.

Not surprisingly, Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops had a far different take on USC.

He called tailback LenDale White a ``great, great player'' and said the Trojans' receivers were ``very good; I'm going to say that about every position on their team.''

Asked about Leinart's positives and negatives, Stoops said the Trojans' quarterback was ``very wise and smart the way he plays and the way he's coached. He makes very few poor decisions. He's a great decision-maker. He has a great arm, he's very accurate. He's got the poise you look for in the pocket.

``The criticism: He's not a great option guy. He's got everything you look for, and he's a guy we recruited hard.'

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Killian · Post by **Killian** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:15 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:I've been around weightrooms since I was in 7th grade and that is a very unusual muscle to tear especially in young football players.

Not if you have a shitty personal trainer. If you get some douche who doesn't know what he is doing, it's very easy to do. I would assume that these guys lifted with the S&C coach right there, but if they went to a local gym and hired a personal trainer, it could easily happen.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:11 pm

Birdine got injured in a passing skeleton drill not lifting weights. It was a fluke injury where he just got tangled up with Travis Wilson.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:08 pm

Hey, Austin Bill. I think you need to worry about your own athletes and ex-athletes admitted drug problems before you start trying to throw rocks out of your mom's glass basement.

the_ouskull

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:10 am

the_ouskull wrote:Hey, Austin Bill. I think you need to worry about your own athletes and ex-athletes admitted drug problems before you start trying to throw rocks out of your mom's glass basement.

the_ouskull

Yeah, Bill. Skull would never, ever start a thread about a player from Texas. :roll:

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:47 am

SunCoastSooner wrote:Birdine got injured in a passing skeleton drill not lifting weights. It was a fluke injury where he just got tangled up with Travis Wilson.

How the injury happened is not the point, I want to know why the muscle has become so brittle. I could easily see it happening to guys who spend their life in the weight room and don't know the concept of stretching, but football players are always stretching before practice.

Just my opinion but generally people get a muscle tear when the muscle has either become too brittle due to unnatural growth or the guy failed to stretch properly. Since I know how well they stretch before practice I am leaning towards unnatuaral growth. That generally means the muscle grew too big too fast, or in other words steroids.

Not that it really matters now, the kid is out for the season and will probably be rehabbing for the next year to get his muscle back to where it was before the tear.

If he was not doing them before the injury I hope he doesn't do them now to aid in the healing process.

BTW what is OU's prospects for replacing him?

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:27 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:Calvin Thibodeaux steps in as the starter. Alonzo Dotson moves into the rotation.

Alonzo Dotson, now there is a name I haven't heard in a hell of a long time.

I remember his recruitment, he wanted to go to Texas then his Uncle Santana got a hold of him and he wanted nothing to do with Texas. Sounds like the kid is pretty much buried in the depth chart til this injury. Well I hope he has a good season, but I also hope we bury him.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:38 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:Calvin Thibodeaux steps in as the starter. Alonzo Dotson moves into the rotation.

Not what I am hearing.

I hear that Williams has made a move this fall and Thib may end up the odd man out in the rotation with his rhab not going as well as was expected.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:54 am

What I am hearing is it does not matter... We beat UCLA (heh) and Tejas (Mack's still coaching, right?) and we're back in this National Championship picture, bitches...

the_ouskull

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:02 am

What I'm hearing is your Oline sucks your QB's have a propensity to throw completitions to the opposing team and now your dline is as thin as super model on meth.

I have no doubt you have talent but I think ours is way better right now.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:27 am

Iowa will win a national title before Texas.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:28 am

CSUN will win one before Texas.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:36 am

Jimmy Medalions wrote:Iowa will win a national title before Texas.

Sincerely,

Jon=Bitch

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:12 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:What I'm hearing is your Oline sucks your QB's have a propensity to throw completitions to the opposing team and now your dline is as thin as super model on meth.

I have no doubt you have talent but I think ours is way better right now.

Good thing you don't know shit about football and your information is inaccurate... that coupled with the fact your a texass fan so obviously void of any common sense I don't think I am too worried about what you hear.

Oline lost 2 guys and have we still have the best man from last years team anchoring them on the Oline. Bomar has thrown a couple of picks recently but Paul has thrown very few.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:53 pm

The O-Line lost three (Sims, Brown, Carter) but DOES return last year's best player and only Bomar, who you'd personally suck off Bob Stoops to have on your roster, has been throwing the INT's with any regularity. Maybe you should have a QB throw for more TD's than he runs for before you start flingin' smack. We're not Michigan. Young's tried to run on us before...

Shut
Out.

I'd be happy to let him run some more... although it's not like his arm scares me either.

the_ouskull

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:25 pm

Sims didn't do much playing late in the season I don't believe skull.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:20 pm

Laxplayer wrote:CSUN will win one before Texas.

That is quite funny, actually.

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:44 pm

the_ouskull wrote:The O-Line lost three (Sims, Brown, Carter) but DOES return last year's best player and only Bomar, who you'd personally suck off Bob Stoops to have on your roster, has been throwing the INT's with any regularity. Maybe you should have a QB throw for more TD's than he runs for before you start flingin' smack. We're not Michigan. Young's tried to run on us before...

Shut
Out.

I'd be happy to let him run some more... although it's not like his arm scares me either.

the_ouskull

We will see October 8.

"You gonna walk down but you gonna limp back." Vince ain't no easy win.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:27 pm

Harvdog wrote:
the_ouskull wrote:The O-Line lost three (Sims, Brown, Carter) but DOES return last year's best player and only Bomar, who you'd personally suck off Bob Stoops to have on your roster, has been throwing the INT's with any regularity. Maybe you should have a QB throw for more TD's than he runs for before you start flingin' smack. We're not Michigan. Young's tried to run on us before...

Shut
Out.

I'd be happy to let him run some more... although it's not like his arm scares me either.

the_ouskull
We will see October 8.

"You gonna walk down but you gonna limp back." Vince ain't no easy win.

Yes we will see.
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Is this like Chrisstina Simms taking you to the promised land?

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Or Selvin Young carrying you to victory?

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Yes that Vince Young is a real play maker and always has been against Oklahoma.

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He knows how to talk to his team and keep their heads in the game.

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Mack is willing to do whatever it takes to get a win over Oklahoma.

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Sooner Fans will be prepared for anything that may happen on game day.

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Most texass fans will surely know their place after this season.

:D ;)

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:32 am

the_ouskull wrote:The O-Line lost three (Sims, Brown, Carter) but DOES return last year's best player and only Bomar, who you'd personally suck off Bob Stoops to have on your roster, has been throwing the INT's with any regularity. Maybe you should have a QB throw for more TD's than he runs for before you start flingin' smack. We're not Michigan. Young's tried to run on us before...

Shut
Out.

I'd be happy to let him run some more... although it's not like his arm scares me either.

the_ouskull

Why the hell would I care how VY get it into the endzone, all I care about is that he gets it into the endzone. Did Holloway throw more touchdowns than he ran for, did Tommie Frazier?

Here are a few stats that are not available that I find interesting. Last season Vince Young started 135 drives, 63 of those drives ended in scores 50 of those scores ended in Touchdowns. That means that when Vince starts a drive 46% of the time it ends in a score and 37% of the time it ends in a touchdown. Vince Also lead 5 other drives that ended in missed fieldgoals so if you take that into account 50% of Vince Young's drives ended with Texas atlease in scoring position.

What that tells me is VY gets the job done!

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:17 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:
the_ouskull wrote:The O-Line lost three (Sims, Brown, Carter) but DOES return last year's best player and only Bomar, who you'd personally suck off Bob Stoops to have on your roster, has been throwing the INT's with any regularity. Maybe you should have a QB throw for more TD's than he runs for before you start flingin' smack. We're not Michigan. Young's tried to run on us before...

Shut
Out.

I'd be happy to let him run some more... although it's not like his arm scares me either.

the_ouskull
Why the hell would I care how VY get it into the endzone, all I care about is that he gets it into the endzone. Did Holloway throw more touchdowns than he ran for, did Tommie Frazier?

Here are a few stats that are not available that I find interesting. Last season Vince Young started 135 drives, 63 of those drives ended in scores 50 of those scores ended in Touchdowns. That means that when Vince starts a drive 46% of the time it ends in a score and 37% of the time it ends in a touchdown. Vince Also lead 5 other drives that ended in missed fieldgoals so if you take that into account 50% of Vince Young's drives ended with Texas atlease in scoring position.

What that tells me is VY gets the job done!

Frazier and Holloway ran the option not a pro style offense.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:19 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I guess you havn't watched the Texas offense last season did you?

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:05 pm

OU fan running choke smack on someone else?

thats rich

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:35 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:OU fan running choke smack on someone else?

thats rich

Yeah 3 national title games, 4 BCS Bowls, 3 confrence titles in 5 years. We sure are some chokers.

Unlike texass we atleast get there.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:04 pm

Its a choke job when everyone picks you to win and then you get stomped (sup 03 b12 title game, 04 sugar bowl and 05 orange bowl) True Texas lost to OU and never reached those games but then nobody outside of Austin gave Texas a chance in ANY of those games. OU are the chokers, Texas are just losers.

Now that Jakeson White is gone, OU has a chance, that guy never won the big game, and dont give me red river shoot out stats, Texas wasnt picked to win any of those regionally televised games. When they have the national audience and everything on the line, Jakeson and Choklahoma are 0 for the last 3 and they were picked to blow out the opponent in every game, course Jakeson threw 7 ints in those 3 games, no wonder the guy was already bounced from the league

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:51 pm

Too bad about Dotson, what is your depth chart looking like on the Dline now?

We lost Mike Williams to the "dumb fucker couldn't make grades" clause as well, I heard he has since transfered to a NAIA school. Shit the kid might as well have gone JUCO and tried to get into a school like TSU. I hope Dotson has the brains to get his ass into class and get his grades up.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:09 am

SoCalTrjn wrote:Its a choke job when everyone picks you to win and then you get stomped (sup 03 b12 title game, 04 sugar bowl and 05 orange bowl) True Texas lost to OU and never reached those games but then nobody outside of Austin gave Texas a chance in ANY of those games. OU are the chokers, Texas are just losers.

Now that Jakeson White is gone, OU has a chance, that guy never won the big game, and dont give me red river shoot out stats, Texas wasnt picked to win any of those regionally televised games. When they have the national audience and everything on the line, Jakeson and Choklahoma are 0 for the last 3 and they were picked to blow out the opponent in every game, course Jakeson threw 7 ints in those 3 games, no wonder the guy was already bounced from the league

You mean like when texass was picked to win four of the last five years?

We were beating texass with Heupel and Hybl as well but I guess those games don't count by your logic either.

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:57 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:Didn't BJW coach DBs at UT for a while? How'd he do with it?

Man, I miss Bobby Jack. He was awesome. There are certain guys that just are great for your program and BJW was great for Texas. I was pissed when Mack let him leave. It reminded me of when Mackovich came in and got rid of Leon Fuller for Gary Darnell. That's like getting rid of a Mercedes because the door has a scratch and replacing it with a totaled Kia.

BTW, BJW has done a great job of recruiting Texas for OU. He has killed us.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:42 am

Harvdog wrote:
Believe the Heupel wrote:Didn't BJW coach DBs at UT for a while? How'd he do with it?
Man, I miss Bobby Jack. He was awesome. There are certain guys that just are great for your program and BJW was great for Texas. I was pissed when Mack let him leave. It reminded me of when Mackovich came in and got rid of Leon Fuller for Gary Darnell. That's like getting rid of a Mercedes because the door has a scratch and replacing it with a totaled Kia.

BTW, BJW has done a great job of recruiting Texas for OU. He has killed us.

I know BJW wasn't the whole problem but damn he was part of the worst defense in Texas football History. We couldn't stop anybody except OU :D

Still he is a hell of a recruiter and a great person reminds me a lot of David McWilliams.

T1B

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