I'm officially embarassed to be an OU fan right now.

Aggie Gal · Post by **Aggie Gal** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:38 pm

Texas, like it or not, has been consistent -- consistently ranked high and deservedly so. The bastards have gotten better each year under Mack. Right now, they have the best OL in college football, and one if the best DLs. Weapons galore on both sides of the ball.

"Superstars" at both schools have gone on to the NFL. Texas replaced theirs and is strong again this year; OU hasn't. That's what I mean by development and the lack thereof.

Aggie Gal · Post by **Aggie Gal** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:38 am

Your're right; I'm wrong. Just being silly. My apologies ...

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:31 am

Aggie Gal wrote:Texas, like it or not, has been consistent -- consistently ranked high and deservedly so. The bastards have gotten better each year under Mack. Right now, they have the best OL in college football, and one if the best DLs. Weapons galore on both sides of the ball.

"Superstars" at both schools have gone on to the NFL. Texas replaced theirs and is strong again this year; OU hasn't. That's what I mean by development and the lack thereof.

Damn aggies are playing the broken record as well now?

Atleast we know one team texass has made its bitch is official.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:39 am

King Crimson wrote:
Aggie Gal wrote:Bomar will improve, no doubt. However, he doesn't have the situation to improve in that Simms did.

OU will get better, but so will most of the teams in the Big 12 South. These are Stoops' players, and he had top recruiting classes. Unlike Texas, OU hasn't replaced superstars with more superstars -- or, hasn't developed them as quickly or as well.

As the year unfolds, we'll have a better idea if this is a slow-starting year, a rebuilding year, or the busrting-of-a-bubble year.

bad comparison. to insist that Texas "develops" players quickly or well is a bit contrary to fact.....how much did Simms or Roy Williams improve at UT? Did Texas' previous classes of "superstars" ever beat a top 10 team?

No she is correct Texas has developed players quickly, lets look at each position over the years since Mack has got here.

Runningback - Started out with Ricky Williams not much to improve on since he was already a bad ass, but then we turned the job over to Hodges Mitchell who had back to back 1200 yard seasons who then turned the job over to Ced Benson who became the #5 all-time leading rusher, and now we have Henry Melton and Jamal Charles who both look like badasses.

Quarterback - Lets see Mack started out with Major Applewhite who battled with Chris Simms for 3 years and then the job belonged to Simms for his senior year. Then we turned the job over to Vince Young who is one of the leading Heisman contenders as a Junior. This is the one weak spot for Texas because Mack has not recruited well at QB since Vince Young came in. Lots of guys have looked at us but no top notch talent has signed. If Texas is going to struggle here is the reason for it.

Oline - When Mack got here he inherited a hell of an Oline but after that he has turned out a ton of great ones including Leonard Davis, Mike Williams, (both top 5 NFL draft picks), Antwan Kirk-Hughes, Roger Rosler, now he has two more in Justin Blalock and Jon Scott.

Receiver - When Mack got here he had two good receivers in Wayne Mcgarity and Kwame Cavil. Those guys gave way to the big 3 of Williams, Johnson, and Sloan Thomas, now we have a ton of young receivers who are starting to come around.

Dline - Damn how many NFL quality dlinemen has Mack produced since he came to Texas. Kasey Hampton, Shaun Rogers Marcus Tubbs, Rod Wright, Frank Okam, Larry Dibbles, and that is just the DTs. DE you must include Cory Redding, Kalen Thornton, Aaron Humphrey and now we have Tim Crowder and Brian Robison.

Linebacker - When Mack arrived we were piss poor with our best backer being Dusty Renfro. Mack then moved D.D. Lewis there where he became a 4 year starter and we have slowly built up depth there until we got Derek Johnson who rewrote the position now we have Aaron Harris and a ton of talent so much so that we can't find minutes for them. Drew Kelson, Rashon Bobino, Killebrew, and Eric Foreman.

Dbacks - Where to begin Mack inherited freshmen safety Quintin Jammer and then turned him into a lockdown corner. But he has created a major tradition with guys like Greg Brown, Ahmad Brooks, Rod Babers, Nathan Vasher, now we have Michael Huff, Michael Griffin, Cedric Griffith, and Tarell Brown. With some major talent waiting in the wings.

There is a reason Texas has never had less than 9 wins since Mack Brown got here and its time everyone gave him credit for creating a hell of a program.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:47 am

SunCoastSooner wrote:
Aggie Gal wrote:Texas, like it or not, has been consistent -- consistently ranked high and deservedly so. The bastards have gotten better each year under Mack. Right now, they have the best OL in college football, and one if the best DLs. Weapons galore on both sides of the ball.

"Superstars" at both schools have gone on to the NFL. Texas replaced theirs and is strong again this year; OU hasn't. That's what I mean by development and the lack thereof.
Damn aggies are playing the broken record as well now?

Atleast we know one team texass has made its bitch is official.

The record is not broken your just in denile, but reality is about to break its foot off in your ass come Oct 8.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:52 am

(l-r; waz, t1b)

peter dragon · Post by **peter dragon** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:11 am

PSUFAN wrote:(l-r; waz, t1b)

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:44 am

Vito Corleone wrote:
King Crimson wrote:
Aggie Gal wrote:Bomar will improve, no doubt. However, he doesn't have the situation to improve in that Simms did.

OU will get better, but so will most of the teams in the Big 12 South. These are Stoops' players, and he had top recruiting classes. Unlike Texas, OU hasn't replaced superstars with more superstars -- or, hasn't developed them as quickly or as well.

As the year unfolds, we'll have a better idea if this is a slow-starting year, a rebuilding year, or the busrting-of-a-bubble year.

bad comparison. to insist that Texas "develops" players quickly or well is a bit contrary to fact.....how much did Simms or Roy Williams improve at UT? Did Texas' previous classes of "superstars" ever beat a top 10 team?
No she is correct Texas has developed players quickly, lets look at each position over the years since Mack has got here.

Runningback - Started out with Ricky Williams not much to improve on since he was already a bad ass, but then we turned the job over to Hodges Mitchell who had back to back 1200 yard seasons who then turned the job over to Ced Benson who became the #5 all-time leading rusher, and now we have Henry Melton and Jamal Charles who both look like badasses.

Quarterback - Lets see Mack started out with Major Applewhite who battled with Chris Simms for 3 years and then the job belonged to Simms for his senior year. Then we turned the job over to Vince Young who is one of the leading Heisman contenders as a Junior. This is the one weak spot for Texas because Mack has not recruited well at QB since Vince Young came in. Lots of guys have looked at us but no top notch talent has signed. If Texas is going to struggle here is the reason for it.

Oline - When Mack got here he inherited a hell of an Oline but after that he has turned out a ton of great ones including Leonard Davis, Mike Williams, (both top 5 NFL draft picks), Antwan Kirk-Hughes, Roger Rosler, now he has two more in Justin Blalock and Jon Scott.

Receiver - When Mack got here he had two good receivers in Wayne Mcgarity and Kwame Cavil. Those guys gave way to the big 3 of Williams, Johnson, and Sloan Thomas, now we have a ton of young receivers who are starting to come around.

Dline - Damn how many NFL quality dlinemen has Mack produced since he came to Texas. Kasey Hampton, Shaun Rogers Marcus Tubbs, Rod Wright, Frank Okam, Larry Dibbles, and that is just the DTs. DE you must include Cory Redding, Kalen Thornton, Aaron Humphrey and now we have Tim Crowder and Brian Robison.

Linebacker - When Mack arrived we were piss poor with our best backer being Dusty Renfro. Mack then moved D.D. Lewis there where he became a 4 year starter and we have slowly built up depth there until we got Derek Johnson who rewrote the position now we have Aaron Harris and a ton of talent so much so that we can't find minutes for them. Drew Kelson, Rashon Bobino, Killebrew, and Eric Foreman.

Dbacks - Where to begin Mack inherited freshmen safety Quintin Jammer and then turned him into a lockdown corner. But he has created a major tradition with guys like Greg Brown, Ahmad Brooks, Rod Babers, Nathan Vasher, now we have Michael Huff, Michael Griffin, Cedric Griffith, and Tarell Brown. With some major talent waiting in the wings.

There is a reason Texas has never had less than 9 wins since Mack Brown got here and its time everyone gave him credit for creating a hell of a program.

did you type all that with one hand? congrats on having a good football team this year--but this year is not a de facto justification that washes away the fact that Mack and UT have a terrible record against top 10 teams and especially Oklahoma.

Mack may never lose another football game but that UT fan is slobbering all over themselves is all the proof anyone needs to realize that being ranked #2 and potentially contending for the Big One is unfamiliar territory. i'd strut out the old "act like you've been there" platitude.....but you haven't. not since 1970.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:25 am

King Crimson wrote:

did you type all that with one hand? congrats on having a good football team this year--but this year is not a de facto justification that washes away the fact that Mack and UT have a terrible record against top 10 teams and especially Oklahoma.

Mack may never lose another football game but that UT fan is slobbering all over themselves is all the proof anyone needs to realize that being ranked #2 and potentially contending for the Big One is unfamiliar territory. i'd strut out the old "act like you've been there" platitude.....but you haven't. not since 1970.

Nothing like a bitter Soonerfan wishing to change the subject to something a little more favorable.

Mack's/Texas record has nothing to do with the topic at hand (Texas developing talent to replace talent). Fact is I proved my point, Texas has a great track record of replacing talented players with more talented players.

Bob Stoops has pulled yet another trick out of his butt that Mack has not duplicated. Going from a top 10 ranking to out of the top 25 in 3 weeks. Fact is Texas hasn't dropped out of the top 25 since 1998.

And the last time we were here was 1984 so it has been a while. Not sure where you are going with this since I've been overly nice to Soonerfan while everyone else has piled on.

I could be pointing out that over the last 4 years blOwU has had the best average recruiting in the country. Every recruiting class the Sooners have had has been in the top 5 in the country. Kinda makes you wonder what Wonder bob has done with all that talent.

From the looks of it he doesn't seem to do a very good job at developing talent. I remember skull bragging about some corner you signed that had about 50 letters in his name and was supposed to be a sure first round draft pick, what ever happened to him? What happened to all those great Dlinemen you picked up or all those great Olinemen?

I remember being envious of all the QB talent you had, where did it all go? I now hear that Thompson might be ready to fly the coop after this year because wonder bob had to keep his promise to Bomar, some people would do anything to get a sig. :D

Enjoy AD cause you only get him one more year and he is gone, he ain't interested in staying in school, if the kid could have left after his freshmen year he would have.

Mack may never fly as high as Wonder bob but he will never fall as low either.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:52 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:
Aggie Gal wrote:Texas, like it or not, has been consistent -- consistently ranked high and deservedly so. The bastards have gotten better each year under Mack. Right now, they have the best OL in college football, and one if the best DLs. Weapons galore on both sides of the ball.

"Superstars" at both schools have gone on to the NFL. Texas replaced theirs and is strong again this year; OU hasn't. That's what I mean by development and the lack thereof.
Damn aggies are playing the broken record as well now?

Atleast we know one team texass has made its bitch is official.
The record is not broken your just in denile, but reality is about to break its foot off in your ass come Oct 8.

Even if you do that makes Mack what 2-5 versus Bob Stoops.

Mack has now been to all of one BCS Bowl. His record in bowl games of all kinds is 4-3.

Texass has been #1 in preseason polls three times and has only been able to garner one trip to a BCS Bowl. :roll:

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:54 pm

When and where has Texas ever been #1? The last time Texas was #1 was right before the famed 1984 RRS, you remember the one Texas tied with blOwU only we dropped in the polls.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:04 pm

Don't worry, Soonerfan. You'll get some wins under youre belt. Fact is you've got to play the JV division in the Big XII North. Plenty of wins to be had there.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:18 pm

Antonn Reid transferred. :D

the_ouskull

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:06 pm

Its funny that you point out the big hole in your team due to an entire class not panning out.

This years freshmen at Texas were ranked consistantly around 15 -22 nationally yet of the 15 kids we brought in the coaches have already identified 9 guys who look to be solid contributors by next season. That does not include Charles who has proven to be a huge impact player today.

Now if you look at our 2002 class I think about half became impact players while the other half fell off. The attrition from that class was the primary reason we had a shitty passing game last year.

Bryan Pickryal - 5-star recruit but cronic shoulder problems ended his career before it started.

Edorian McCullough - 5-star DB badass as a freshmen but grades caused him to leave school. I hear he is now at Kal.

Robert Timmons - High 4-star WR, every bit as talented as Williams, Johnson, and Thomas but his attitude got him in the dog house. Quit the team, no idea where he is now.

Marco Martin - High 4-star DT, knee injury in his last highschool game along with a poor work ethic has destroyed a promising career.

Marcus Johnson - 5-star WR from Illinois never made it into school because of grades. Went Juco and now is buried in the depth chart at Taco Tech.

Chase Pittman - 4-star DE, too many ghosts to deal with at Texas surrounding the death of his brother, transfered to LSU where he is not starting.

That right there are 6 very highly regarded top 100 recruits that never panned out. The key is that you maintain a level of recruiting that helps you absorb this kind of problem.

Every year Texas has one position that they are really weak in or very young in, but they compensate by having really strong positions. Last year our WR and DE were very inexperienced and we lost to OU because of it. This year our kicking game looks like are real weakness. Before McWhorter arrived our oline was a constant weak spot. The two years when OU dropped 60+ on Texas also happened to be the years when our DBs were really young.

BTW I plan on showing a few other what you have shown me about the sooners 2k3 class.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:43 pm

Just for shit I looked up the Texas 2003 class

Texas same class:

Tarrell Brown - starter
Tim Crowder - starter, all-big 12 potential
Scott Derry - back-up LB (injured)
Eric Foreman - back-up LB, still a question mark
Brandon Foster - back-up DB
Tyrell Gatewood - back-up WR
Dallas Griffin - back-up OL
Michael Griffin - starter, all-big 12 potential
Erik Hardeman - kicked off team
Tony Hills, Jr - solid back-up, potential superstar OL
Steve Hogan - buried on TE depth chart
Erik Jackson - back-up DB
Robert Killabrew - back-up LB who rotates in with starters
Thomas Marshall - back-up getting snaps at DT
Billy Pittman - starter
Steve Richardson - not on roster
Limas Sweed - starter
Kyle Thorton - grades

NOTES - Oklahoma's class ranked 4th nationally by rivals, Texas 16th. Texas had a 3.7 avg star rating, OU was 3.6. Okies class size was 24, Texas 18.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:26 am

just for shits and giggles

USC's 2003 recruiting class
Sam Baker OL 6-5 315 Tustin, CA (Tustin (CA) HS)
starting left tackle
Chris Barrett DL 6-5 250 Tustin, CA (Tustin (CA) HS)
back up DE
Darnell Bing DB 6-2 220 Lakewood, CA (Poly HS, Long Beach, CA)
starting safety
Reggie Bush RB 6-0 190 Spring Valley, CA (Helix HS, La Mesa, CA)
god, quite frankly...easily the most exciting player in college football
John Drake OL 6-4 350 Long Beach, CA (Long Beach (CA) CC/Wilson HS, Long Beach, CA)
Travis Draper OL 6-5 265 Paso Robles, CA (Paso Robles (CA) HS)
Nose Tackle Sed Ellis' backup
Sedrick Ellis DL 6-2 280 Chino, CA (Chino (CA) HS)
starting nose tackle
Lawrence Jackson DL 6-5 250 Inglewood, CA (Inglewood (CA) HS)
starting DE
Ryan Kalil OL 6-4 270 Corona, CA (Servite HS, Anaheim, CA)
starting center
Fili Moala DL 6-5 300 Buena Park, CA (Western HS, Anaheim, CA)
defensive tackle
Alex Morrow DL 6-5 265 Rohnert Park, CA (Rancho Cotate HS, Rohnert Park, CA)
2nd string DE
Drew Radovich OL 6-5 280 Mission Viejo, CA (Mission Viejo (CA) HS)
2nd string guard
Desmond Reed DB 5-9 180 San Gabriel, CA (Temple City (CA) HS)
special teams, back up rb
Steve Smith WR 6-1 190 Canoga Park, CA (Taft HS, Woodland Hills, CA)
starting wr
Matt Spanos DL 6-5 285 Corona, CA (Corona (CA) HS)
second string center
Terrell Thomas DB 6-2 180 Alta Loma, CA (Rancho Cucamonga (CA) HS)
starting cb
Brandon Ting DB 5-1 170 Woodside, CA (James Logan HS, Union City, CA)
second string db
Ryan Ting DB 5-11 180 Woodside, CA (James Logan HS, Union City, CA)
second string db
Johnathan Turner LB 6-3 240 Corona, CA (Corona (CA) HS)
Chauncey Washington RB 6-1 205 Torrance, CA (South Torrance (CA) HS)
3rd string tb
Ryan Watson DL 6-3 285 La Place, LA (John Curtis HS, River Ridge, LA)
LenDale White RB 6-2 225 Denver, CO (Chatfield HS, Littleton, CO)
thunder.... starting tb
Thomas Williams LB 6-3 225 Vacaville, CA (Vacaville (CA) HS)
back up lb (playing now cause of Sartz's injury
Eric Wright DB 6-0 180 San Francisco, CA (Riordan HS, San Francisco, CA)
starting corner last year, transferred after off field problems this spring

wasn't a bad class

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:06 am

Damn that is a class from hell wasn't that also the year you signed Booty as QB?

Texas 2002 recruting class that I described above was the highest ranked class by Rivals, I think ever, well, til you guys brought in that class from hell. Was your 2003 the one that actually broke a 4-star average? That is impressive.

What people who bag on recruiting don't understand is that it is important to keep getting these highly ranked players to keep the cupboard full because only about 50% of them pan out and only about 3 in 10 have any kind of impact.

blOwU has had two polar opposite classes, I think it was the 98 or 99 class that was ranked pretty low but was filled with a ton of NFL quality talent like Roy Williams, Heupel, Calmus and many others. Then they have this 2003 class ranked #4 by Rivals and they pretty much end up with nothing.

RedHerring · Post by **RedHerring** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:32 am

GrizBearStare wrote:On the bright side, you are going to fuck Nebraska up really bad (this is coming from an NU fan)

whatcha talkin bout griz? It should be a pretty good matchup. Here's a preview:

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:31 pm

RedHerring wrote:
GrizBearStare wrote:On the bright side, you are going to fuck Nebraska up really bad (this is coming from an NU fan)
whatcha talkin bout griz? It should be a pretty good matchup. Here's a preview:

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:57 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:
From the looks of it he doesn't seem to do a very good job at developing talent.

Oklahoma had 10 players taken in last years NFL draft. the most Mack has had in a single year is 4 in 2004 (according to one of your own at hornfans.com). as far as replacing talent it's not much of a valid comparison given the disparity in number--yes, Oklahoma is struggling doing it. but, there is nothing about Mack's record to suggest that he would do any better.

as far as developing talent i think the NFL numbers speak for themselves. while you accuse me of changing the subject, i am simply pointing out that for all the supposed success Mack has had "developing and replacing" talent...until this year the results have not added up to success at the highest level on the field. Seems you find it difficult to move from particular premises to general conclusions.

BTW, i suggested that line of argument in a previous post where i have two questions that dangle unanswered.

final note: the 1984 #1 ranked Texas team finished out the season 7-4-1, and unranked.

see ya Vito. be good. i did enjoy your TJ whore/taco sauce blast on another thread.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:22 pm

King Crimson wrote:
Oklahoma had 10 players taken in last years NFL draft. the most Mack has had in a single year is 4 in 2004 (according to one of your own at hornfans.com). as far as replacing talent it's not much of a valid comparison given the disparity in number--yes, Oklahoma is struggling doing it. but, there is nothing about Mack's record to suggest that he would do any better.

as far as developing talent i think the NFL numbers speak for themselves. while you accuse me of changing the subject, i am simply pointing out that for all the supposed success Mack has had "developing and replacing" talent...until this year the results have not added up to success at the highest level on the field. Seems you find it difficult to move from particular premises to general conclusions.

BTW, i suggested that line of argument in a previous post where i have two questions that dangle unanswered.

final note: the 1984 #1 ranked Texas team finished out the season 7-4-1, and unranked.

see ya Vito. be good. i did enjoy your TJ whore/taco sauce blast on another thread.

Don't give me that crap about sending guys to the NFL, cause teams like Miami FSU and Tennessee have sent more than that and they have still come back to have good years, maybe not great, but they don't lose to TCU.

What happened to developing depth? Bob couldn't see this coming and prepare for it? Don't give me this crap about guys quitting cause every school has guys that leave. Texas loses about 5 a year to grades and such.

You keep asking what did that depth get us, well it got us 4 straight years of 10+ win seasons, 7 straight seasons of being ranked in the top 25, three top 10 finishes in 4 years and the 2nd or 3rd best overall winning percentage over the last 7 years in the country. It has not gotten us any championship but thats because outside of 2001 Texas has not fielded a team worthy of a championship.

2k3 and 2k4 were both considered rebuilding years for Texas and we still had very good years. This is your first real rebuilding year since 2k2 and your not handling it very well.

BTW Texas will lose almost as many starters this year as you did last year but as long as Vince Young isn't one of them I'm can almost guarantee that we won't have the fall off you are experiencing.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:45 pm

Wow, I just saw a confirmed press report that Stoops has moved Thompson to WR. I had heard the rumors but this is the first time I've seen it confirmed.

I never thought I would say this but OU is a total cluster fvck right now. I thought Mack handled our QB controversy badly but Stoops has one upped him big time. Stoops has two quarterbacks one black and one white, both are playing shitty but he hands the job over to the white one and makes the black one a receiver. The white one still sucks but now the black one doesn't even get the chance to earn the job back.

Soonerfan you can claim this isn't a black/white issue, and I agree...but I'm not a black guy on your team who just saw another black teammate get completely screwed out of a position by a guy who has not earned it yet. Perception is reality and this is going to bite Stoops in his ass.

If this doesn't prove that Stoops promised the job to Bomar all along then nothing will.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:50 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:Wow, I just saw a confirmed press report that Stoops has moved Thompson to WR. I had heard the rumors but this is the first time I've seen it confirmed.

I never thought I would say this but OU is a total cluster fvck right now. I thought Mack handled our QB controversy badly but Stoops has one upped him big time. Stoops has two quarterbacks one black and one white, both are playing shitty but he hands the job over to the white one and makes the black one a receiver. The white one still sucks but now the black one doesn't even get the chance to earn the job back.

Soonerfan you can claim this isn't a black/white issue, and I agree...but I'm not a black guy on your team who just saw another black teammate get completely screwed out of a position by a guy who has not earned it yet. Perception is reality and this is going to bite Stoops in his ass.

If this doesn't prove that Stoops promised the job to Bomar all along then nothing will.

The Black guy can't get a ball with 5 yards of a player with Crimson on.

DiT · Post by **DiT** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:51 pm

it's Bush's fault!

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:46 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote: The Black guy can't get a ball with 5 yards of a player with Crimson on.

The black guy was only given part of one game to showcase his abilities. If I remember correctly Bomar didn't do that well either.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:35 pm

Soonerfan you can claim this isn't a black/white issue, and I agree...but I'm not a black guy on your team who just saw another black teammate get completely screwed out of a position by a guy who has not earned it yet. Perception is reality and this is going to bite Stoops in his ass.

And TexasFan can try to make it a black / white issue all that they'd like to, but 1) Thompson never took charge of this team in a game situation. Bomar did. 2) Thompson has had FOUR years to learn our system and become comfortable enough in it to be able to move the ball against the likes of TCU and Tulsa, with or without a great line. He has not been able to do so.

That's not on Bomar, and that's not on the coaches. That's on Thompson. If he was the better QB; the one giving us the best chance to win games, he'd be the one playing. It's only racial if race has something to do with his being behind Bomar, despite having two or three more years to learn everything.

the_ouskull

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:22 pm

the_ouskull wrote:
Soonerfan you can claim this isn't a black/white issue, and I agree...but I'm not a black guy on your team who just saw another black teammate get completely screwed out of a position by a guy who has not earned it yet. Perception is reality and this is going to bite Stoops in his ass.
And TexasFan can try to make it a black / white issue all that they'd like to, but 1) Thompson never took charge of this team in a game situation. Bomar did. 2) Thompson has had FOUR years to learn our system and become comfortable enough in it to be able to move the ball against the likes of TCU and Tulsa, with or without a great line. He has not been able to do so.

That's not on Bomar, and that's not on the coaches. That's on Thompson. If he was the better QB; the one giving us the best chance to win games, he'd be the one playing. It's only racial if race has something to do with his being behind Bomar, despite having two or three more years to learn everything.

the_ouskull

I agree, it more than likely is not racial, but it sure smells political. If I remember correctly when Thompson was named the starter the team broke out in huge applause and shouts. So he starts and plays roughly half a game, now granted he was not effective but neither is Bomar. He then sits on the bench while Bomar plays the entire Tulsa game. And does the same thing for UCLA where he watched Bomar have basically 2 good drives and 5 fumbles. Yet the coaches don't even give him a try.

I know if I were coaching a team that had no line I would be giving strong consideration to the QB who can move around the best and so far that hasn't been Bomar.

Like I said it doesn't matter what I think cause I'm not on the team, it doesn't even matter what blOwU fan thinks cause they aren't on the team. What matters is what the team thinks.

So far the only one who hasn't earned his starting position seems to be Bomar.

DiT · Post by **DiT** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:54 am

Bomar's numbers are garbage.
neither's stats are worthy of the starting QB job at OU.
period.
gimme ERIC MOORE for crying out loud!

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:04 am

E-Mo perfected that how to turn 2nd and short into 3rd and 30 with that sweet "drop back, run around for a while in the pocket, fumble, kick the ball backwards, and then recover your own fumble" play Dickenson used to call--usually to take the Sooners not only out of the red zone but out of FG range as well.

and opposing teams would decline the inevitable holding penalty.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:56 am

I never said Paul has earned anything, I'm saying Bomar has not earned anything and Paul probably deserves the chance to turn things around as much as Bomar.

And my opinion of Thompson comes from what I saw of him in high school recruitng clips. If he is such a bad athlete why are you making him a receiver. Just because Thompson spent most of the night on his back doesn't mean he can't move.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:55 am

Vito Corleone wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote: The Black guy can't get a ball with 5 yards of a player with Crimson on.
The black guy was only given part of one game to showcase his abilities. If I remember correctly Bomar didn't do that well either.

Funny because during his career I recall him taking big shits passing against Texass and Fresno State and a couple other teams as well.

DiT · Post by **DiT** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:18 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:Don't forget the epock "down less than seven with fourth and goal from the five step out-of-bounds at the one" play."

DiT, you will eat your words about Bomar before the end of the year. Just sayin'.

I'd gladly eat Bomar's cock if he'd do something worth a shit.
I'm not saying he won't be a good QB,I'm saying right not he sucks ass as a QB and there's not much to disprove that :x

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:25 pm

diT wrote:I'd gladly eat Bomar's cock if he'd do something worth a shit.

Thank you.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:03 pm

diT wrote:

I'd gladly eat Bomar's cock if he'd do something worth a shit.

So what you are saying is your not only gay but shallow as well.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:09 pm

for someone who played up and then played down the race angle (that's popular on ATM and Horn boards--who would like nothing better than get some pillow biting or moral slander revenge on Oklahoma for hammering them)....it's ironic that presumed institutional racism is something you mention and then back off.

Oklahoma integrated it's football team in 1956, UT won the MNC in 1970 with an all-white team.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:20 pm

King Crimson wrote:for someone who played up and then played down the race angle (that's popular on ATM and Horn boards--who would like nothing better than get some pillow biting or moral slander revenge on Oklahoma for hammering them)....it's ironic that presumed institutional racism is something you mention and then back off.

Oklahoma integrated it's football team in 1956, UT won the MNC in 1970 with an all-white team.

What the hell does that have to do with anything spoken of right now? Does it really matter who integrated first, should all women move to Utah? They were the first terratory to give women the right to vote back in the 1870's.

I have not seen anyone claim this was racially motivated, what I have seen is many people offer up conjecture that it could be viewed that way by both blacks on the team and in the local community and I offered up reasoning to support their claim.

I personally think it was political and had everything to do with promises given to Bomar while he was being recruited.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:49 pm

i'm just fucking with you AB.

it's a so-called smack board.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:50 pm

I don't think it was about race but I think Thompson did get hosed. He beat Bomar out in practice, both guys stunk-it-up in the TCU game, then the job was handed to Bomar on a silver platter. Bomar starting sooner or later was in the general plan, it was nothing new that they thought Bomar had the superior potential, they just needed an excuse to start him(and they got one in the TCU-game). It is just too bad Thompson couldn't have known this before it was too late to join Grady in looking for another school. Bob has to do what is best for the team but it sucks for the kid to find out now that he really wasn't in the long-term plan.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:57 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote: KC, you do realize that a former OU president was a Grand Dragon of the KKK, right? Of course, the Board of Regents canned his ass when they found out...

i grew up in Norman. i'm not unfamiliar with racism.

especially in the late 70's during the Iran hostage crisis--you have the sons and daughters of Middle Eastern petroleum engineering grad students in your elementary school classes....it was disgusting.

DiT · Post by **DiT** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:29 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:
diT wrote:
Believe the Heupel wrote:Don't forget the epock "down less than seven with fourth and goal from the five step out-of-bounds at the one" play."

DiT, you will eat your words about Bomar before the end of the year. Just sayin'.
I'd gladly eat Bomar's cock if he'd do something worth a shit.
I'm not saying he won't be a good QB,I'm saying right not he sucks ass as a QB and there's not much to disprove that :x
20-29 for 241 is a pretty decent line, Dave.

He had a bad first start. His second start was much much better. Now if he can just hang on to the ball, his third start should be even better.

that's a decent line except there's zero TD's and 4 fumbles.
that's not a good line when you're trying to win games.
it's only gonna get worse this week.