T1B Court is now in session - Wags vs. jiminphilly

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:12 pm

Or should I call you by a different name, since your picks mirror mine exactly, which were made 3-1/2 days earlier.

Co-incidence? I think not. Or did your wife make your picks?

At least you were smart enough to know whose picks to copy. A little too smart for your own good however, since nobody would have probably ever compared them had they not been the winning picks.

We have a name for somebody who copies another posters picks, and it's not very flattering.

They're called a BOARD BITCH.

Jeez, did I ever have you pegged wrong.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:46 pm

Jim, I think Cut & Paul still has a post kicking around somewhere that you can use as a response.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:47 pm

Nice Melt. Do you need another time out?

First. I didn’t cheat. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. I don’t care either way. Whatever I say here really won’t matter to you or your bruised vagina so I’ll leave it at that. And if my wife had made those predictions I’d be playing the lottery tonight.

But don’t flatter yourself to think I’d be coping your picks. If you want an exact run- down of how I arrived at those numbers, including what I was reading, what was on tv and how many beers I had the night before, I would be glad to post all of that. It really wasn't rocket science, I'll tell you that much.

But for you to cry like a fucking 2 year old who just skinned his knee is hilarious. For some reason you take things way to personal, Wags. When I cracked on Joe about me not wanting to be stalked now that he had my home address from the check I sent for the JA league.. your response pretty much showed what an uptight prick you are. You think too highly of yourself and that’s your first problem. You got all bent out of shape even though the rest of the league saw through my sarcastic post. Get over yourself, Wags. Your shit stinks like everyone else.

Believe what you will about me. This is a message board and the first time I worry about what you or anyone thinks of me will be the last. Get a life and maybe a hobby.. you’ve got some anger issues.

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:50 pm

Wags why exactly do you think Jim copied your picks? Because you posted the same picks 3 days earlier?

Me thinks you over estimate the value of your NFL knowledge on this board.........

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:55 pm

Joe in PB wrote:Wags why exactly do you think Jim copied your picks? Because you posted the same picks 3 days earlier?

Nah, it's because Wags finished fifth the week before........

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:05 pm

jiminphilly wrote:Get over yourself, Wags. Your shit stinks like everyone else.

Actually, with no air conditioning to move the air in the house, I'd fathom a guess that Wags' shit smells much worse than the rest of us.

No wonder the dogs ran out into the street.

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:11 pm

Rack Wags for hitting the sauce on company time.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:13 pm

If anyone believes for a second that those picks weren't copied, I've got a bridge to sell ya'...barely used.

Sheesh, at least Paul had the guts to own up to it.

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:15 pm

orcinus wrote:Rack Wags for hitting the sauce on company time.

No shit.

Anyone got that Forklift Safety video link?

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:18 pm

Only because we baited Paul for three straight weeks before finally springing the trap.

Bucmonkey · Post by **Bucmonkey** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:24 pm

orcinus wrote:Rack Wags for hitting the sauce on company time.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:29 pm

Bucmonkey wrote:
orcinus wrote:Rack Wags for hitting the sauce on company time.

Nah, I'd say he's hitting the ether.

"Yea boss, we're out of starter fluid again. I have no idea why we go through it so quick."

sin

EtherWagon

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:30 pm

jiminphilly wrote: But don’t flatter yourself to think I’d be coping your picks. If you want an exact run- down of how I arrived at those numbers, including what I was reading, what was on tv and how many beers I had the night before, I would be glad to post all of that.

Bullshit.

Dude, I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. Do you have any idea how astronomical the odds are against two people picking the same teams using the exact same confidence #'s are?

As for "melting", no I thinks it's quite hilarious.

Feel free to copy them again next week.

I'll be sure to edit them right before kick-off.

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:32 pm

I guess I'm missing something here... did you guys actually buy into a confidence pool, or is this still a free game?

If it's the latter... then STFU Whitey.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:37 pm

JHawkBCD wrote:I guess I'm missing something here... did you guys actually buy into a confidence pool, or is this still a free game?

If it's the latter... then STFU Whitey.

Fuck off, JBitch. Free or not isn't the point. It was free game when Paul got busted. That didn't stop him from getting crucified, and you were the guy sticking the sword in, you hypocritical cunt.

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:46 pm

War Wagon wrote:Fuck off, JBitch. Free or not isn't the point.

No, but it does enhance the comedy factor of the situation... and the fact that you are melting down so furiously over this insignificant detail would receive a "hysterically funny" rating from TBS.

It was free game when Paul got busted. That didn't stop him from getting crucified, and you were the guy sticking the sword in, you hypocritical cunt.

The difference is that Paul, the accused, melted down.

This time, the accuser is the one melting down.

YHJKYOA

KUTTER · Post by **KUTTER** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:47 pm

Message board, picks game, for free. Um, who the fuck cares? Come on Wags, do you really have nothing else to get mad about?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:57 pm

I say we hang him then shoot him......then hang him again.

KUTTER · Post by **KUTTER** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:59 pm

I bet a black guy looted his picks and retailed 'em to Jim.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:09 pm

Considering 2 factors, it appears Jim is guilty.

1. Astronomical odds of two folks having the exact same picks.

2. Jim didn't deny the accusation.

All he said was, "I didn't cheat," which is true. No rule against duplicating another's picks, .....at least that I'm aware of.

And, "Don't flatter yourself to think I'd be copying your picks."

Another anti-denial.

If I didn't do the deed I would say so directly.

But maybe that's just me.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:28 pm

poptart wrote:Considering 2 factors, it appears Jim is guilty.

1. Astronomical odds of two folks having the exact same picks.

2. Jim didn't deny the accusation.

All he said was, "I didn't cheat," which is true. No rule against duplicating another's picks, .....at least that I'm aware of.

And, "Don't flatter yourself to think I'd be copying your picks."

Another anti-denial.

If I didn't do the deed I would say so directly.

But maybe that's just me.

What are you lawyer?

I didn't do it.

Happy?

KUTTER · Post by **KUTTER** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:30 pm

jiminphilly wrote:
poptart wrote:Considering 2 factors, it appears Jim is guilty.

1. Astronomical odds of two folks having the exact same picks.

2. Jim didn't deny the accusation.

All he said was, "I didn't cheat," which is true. No rule against duplicating another's picks, .....at least that I'm aware of.

And, "Don't flatter yourself to think I'd be copying your picks."

Another anti-denial.

If I didn't do the deed I would say so directly.

But maybe that's just me.
What are you lawyer?

I didn't do it.

Happy?

There, he denied it. Is this over yet?

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:38 pm

Fuck no, I've got the over on this debate reaching at least page 3 with confidence pick of 15 in the FT1B thread pool.

KUTTER · Post by **KUTTER** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:42 pm

RadioFan wrote:Fuck no, I've got the over on this debate reaching at least page 3 with confidence pick of 15 in the FT1B thread pool.

Me too! Hey, wait a minute...

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:47 pm

jiminphilly wrote:What are you lawyer?

I didn't do it.

Happy?

Not happy.

I don't care either way.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:51 pm

Who gives a fuck?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:03 pm

JHawkBCD wrote:
...the fact that you are melting down so furiously...

Where exactly am I melting down? I'm pointing out facts. No more, no less. Folks can blame the messenger for bringing the message, I guess.

Jim says he didn't do it.

Sorry, I ain't buying. I've run confidence games for years with over 50 players. I've never once seen anyone's picks match exactly. It's a virtual statistical impossibility.

For those saying "who gives a fuck", scram out the thread then. If nobody gives a fuck, then why play and keep score in the 1st place? Save your sanctimonious non-takes for a frodo topic.

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:23 pm

Keep melting, Whitey. You're home now, and you won't have to hide your drinking from the boss for the rest of the evening.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:32 pm

Keep being a hypocritical douchebag.

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:39 pm

Bwa!

You still don't get it, eh Mensa Wagon?

The smacking of Paul was rooted in comedy from the start. No one really cared that he did what he did, but everyone knew that the Paul 1.0 revision was easily riled into an outburst of pure comedic gold.

You, on the other hand, blew it from the start, and are dead serious about seeking justice for the wrongs that you perceive have been done to you.

You're a fucking putz.

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:21 am

It's a virtual statistical impossibility.

Hmm....that was my thought on your chances of winning the Jackass league.

How did that turn out again?

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:21 am

It's a virtual statistical impossibility.

Hmm....that was my thought on your chances of winning the Jackass league.

How did that turn out again?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:23 am

JHawkBCD wrote:
...seeking justice for the wrongs that you perceive have been done to you.

What are you talking about fool? Seeking justice? I simply call a cheat a cheat, a lying cheat a lying cheat, and a douchebag a douchebag...douchebag.

jim hasn't wrong me personally or anybody else. He has wronged the integrity of the confidence pick 'em game, though, and I'm calling him on it.

Some people actually put some thought into making their picks.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:25 am

What do you guys win at the end of the season ?

If there is cashish , maybe you do have a right to be pissed .

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:29 am

OK... Time to weigh in with some forensic evidence.....

Wags pics
Tenn - 2
TB - 4
Chi - 3
Indy - 15
Cinc - 11
Car - 1
Pitt - 8
Philly - 16
Sea - 7
StL - 5
GB - 13
NYJ - 10
Den - 9
KC - 6
NYG - 12
Dall - 14

Jims Pics
Tenn - 2
TB - 4
Chi - 3
Indy - 15
Cinc - 11
Car - 1
Pitt - 8
Philly - 16
Sea - 7
StL - 5
GB - 13
NYJ - 10
Den - 9
KC - 6
NYG - 12
Dall - 14

One thing that I'd look for is any slight deviation in the symbol ( a dash in this case) and the spacing between the dash and the pic.

If you look at the other pics in the game you'll notice some people use a dash, some don't:

Bmore 2
TB 1
Det 8
Indy 12
Cinc 9
Car 7
Pitt 13
Philly 16
ATL 10
Az 3
GB 4
NYJ 15
Den 6
KC 11
N.O. 5
Dall 14

Some put the dash right next to the team and the weighed score:

Bmore-6
Buf-7
Det-11
Indy-15
Minn-10
NE-9
Pitt-8
Philly-14
ATL-12
StL-5
GB-2
Mia-1
SD-13
KC-4
NYG-3
Dall-16

And some have a space then the dash:

Tenn -8
Buf -9
Chi -10
Indy -12
Cinc -11
Car -1
Pitt -13
Philly -15
Sea -2
Stl -7
GB -6
NYJ -5
SD -4
KC -3
NYG -14
Dall -16

Wags and Jims pics were not only identical, but they were also typed with identical keystrokes.

Given the amount of games x the different configurations x the minimum amount of keystrokes necessary to complete the challenge I'd say the odds Jim copied Wags pics are almost 18,183,673,945 to one.

Guilty

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:32 am

With only sixteen games, this isn't a so-called "virtual statistical impossibility," Wags. Not even close.

You take the point spreads and throw in an upset or two, and the possibility is not that far off for two sets of picks to come up dead even.

In the end, Jim is the only one who knows the truth here; however, I'll give him the benefit of doubt based on one fact alone.

Why you?

Simply put, it doesn't compute.

Also, before you start your career in law, you might want to work out that whole who/whom thing first.

Judges tend to frown on courtroom posers.

Your witness ....

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:44 am

KC Scott wrote: Wags and Jims pics were not only identical, but they were also typed with identical keystrokes.

Given the amount of games x the different configurations x the minimum amount of keystrokes necessary to complete the challenge I'd say the odds Jim copied Wags pics are almost 18,183,673,945 to one.

Guilty

Sherlock Scott...you are correct.

Jim had to have been really lazy, or in a big hurry (his wife probably wanted to rush him over to mum-in-laws for Sunday brunch) to have not at least tried to cover his tracks just a little bit.

Blatant C&P...I can't understand why when caught so red-handed with his hand in the cookie jar, he'd tried to stand there and say "No, my hand IS NOT in this cookie jar!"

trev · Post by **trev** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:48 am

jim was in a big hurry.

And he had a different style of typing in week 1.

and....I doubt jim paid a bit of attention to orc's request to keep
the picks uniform.

sorry, jimmie.......

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:51 am

Lots of folks had different posting styles in week one, mostly due to the fact Dave and that other guy had yet to pull out the format-laced jack boots.

Thrown out ....

JHawkBCD · Post by **JHawkBCD** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:53 am

War Wagon wrote: jim hasn't wrong me personally or anybody else. He has wronged the integrity of the confidence pick 'em game, though, and I'm calling him on it.

Tomato, to-mah-toe, you're still a fucking putz.

Some people actually put some thought into making their picks.

And not much thought into important things, like preserving the lives of their pets, providing air conditioning for their family in hot, humid climates, etc.

Pure comedy gold, Whitey.