Big news tomorrow...

M2 · Post by M2 » Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:19 am

I never liked the guy...

Now Kansas St. can go back to being Kansas...

The shithole of America...

m2

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:29 am

Well damn, the Big 12 loses another quality coach. I hope KSU can bounce back we need to strengthen the North, it sure as hell doesn't look like Nebraska is going to help the conference anytime soon.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:10 am

Snyder benefited greatly from So Cal and Texas athletes when he was on his run, now that USC and Texas are playing so well those kids would rather stay home than go to Manhattan Kansas, hard to maintain greatness when your school isnt surrounded by great players and you have to rely on imported talent

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:36 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:hard to maintain greatness when your school isnt surrounded by great players and you have to rely on imported talent

I get what you're saying about K-State, but the above is not a universal truism.

Northern Indiana is not the strongest area in the country for high school football, but Notre Dame always has been able to recruit talent, not only from that area but from around the country. Even in our downspells, the problem was never so much the ability to attract top-flight talent as it was with player development once the players got there.

Notre Dame recruits its student body on a national basis. Why would anyone suspect that it cannot do the same with its football team?

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:33 pm

TC, I think ND gets a LOT of recruiting help from its legacy, period. Location is obviously not the reason people go there. And from a football perspective, what player wouldn't want to play for the most storied program in all of football (minus the anti-ND population).

I think comparing ND's recruiting woes and KState's is like comparing Duke basketball to Duke football.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:00 pm

So K-State had a couple decent years, big whoop. What have they done lately? His shit got stale, time to go...see ya, buh-bye.

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:26 pm

KSU's rivals board lists this top 10 as most likely.

Brent Venables? (OU defensive coordinator)
Chuck Long? (OU offensive coordinator)
Bob Elliott? (KSU defensive coordinator)
Phil Bennett? (SMU Head coach)
Gary Patterson? (TCU head coach)
Dana Dimel? (Grad assistant KSU)
Darrell Dickey? (North Texas head coach)
Del Miller? (KSU offensive coordinator)
Sean Snyder? (director of football operations KSU, Bill's kid)
Jim Leavitt? (South Florida head coach)

All with KSU ties, Long was a bud of Snyder's at Iowa.

Who would take the job and why?

I say Venables would get a hard look, he was a linebacker at KSU and seems to be the most likely to be in positon, and the fan base would embrace him with open arms.

Gotta believe he would leap at the chance.

Hey, if they want to stay option based, Fightin' Frankie Solich is their guy!

OUMO · Post by **OUMO** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:46 pm

Please take Long.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:02 pm

Cornhusker wrote:KSU's rivals board lists this top 10 as most likely.

Dana Dimel? (Grad assistant KSU)
Sean Snyder? (director of football operations KSU, Bill's kid)

Are they on fucking crack? They get a guy who takes the worst team in the history of 1A football and he turns that program around (save how he did it) and had it competing for confrence titles and an occasional run at the NC, and they want to hire a fucking grad assistant or his son?

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:07 pm

Jeff Bowden would make a fine Head Coach. He has def paid his dues as an OC.

(Please take that mutha fucka off our hands)

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:36 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:Snyder benefited greatly from So Cal and Texas athletes when he was on his run, now that USC and Texas are playing so well those kids would rather stay home than go to Manhattan Kansas,

this assertion is factually incorrect--KSU was never stealing USC/UT type recruits out of cali or texas (hint: JUCO)--and certainly not enough to give your self-stroking, fallacious causal relationship any credence whatsoever.

quit smelling your own farts.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:36 pm

Sky wrote:TC, I think ND gets a LOT of recruiting help from its legacy, period. Location is obviously not the reason people go there. And from a football perspective, what player wouldn't want to play for the most storied program in all of football (minus the anti-ND population).

I think comparing ND's recruiting woes and KState's is like comparing Duke basketball to Duke football.

Not comparing ND to K-State, sorry if that's how it was interpreted. I was merely objecting to Schmick's blanket statement.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:57 pm

Gotcha

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:47 pm

Word on the street is that Snyder will be the director of OOC game scheduling for the SEC....

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:53 pm

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:58 pm

KSU just lost too many quality assistants over the years and never busted through in high school recruiting(mainly due to KSU's lack of investment in football and Snyder's no-bullshit style that didn't woo stupid high schoolers). IMO KSU does not have a head coach currently on staff, if they did they would be better right now.

I'm not too impressed with the list of potentials. After Gary Patterson the list is meh. Jim Leavitt is in a better position already. Many OU fans would welcome Long leaving and IMO Venables hasn't proven enough since coming out of Mike's shadow.

Hell you have two choices from nonBCS schools that aren't even good. Plus Dana Dimel didn't do jack when he was a HC.

Out of that crew I'd go after Patterson, and hard. If they were smart they wouldn't worry so much about KSU ties and also consider guys like Price, Hill, or Hawkins. Hell bring Norm Chow back to the college game. Anybody in this paragraph would definitely scare me as a husker fan.

KSU may be trying to go cheap, and if they really care about being a player that is a big mistake. KSU will be very hard-pressed to bounce back if they make a bad hire.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:35 pm

What are you doing in this thread?

The title does not read "All bitches please get in this thread"

:?

peter dragon · Post by **peter dragon** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:10 pm

Jimmy Medalions wrote:What are you doing in this thread?

The title does not read "All bitches please get in this thread"

:?

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:17 pm

KC,

So 2 or 3 decent bowls, and 8 whogivesashit.com bowls = success?

If KSU was so great, don't you find it interesting that the defining moment of his tenure was a monumental upset.

Come back when you get some perspective of real success...douchebag.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:48 am

KC Paulina 3.0 appears to have a mancrush on Snyder.

Into the older type I see :?

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:50 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:
Jimmy Medalions wrote:What are you doing in this thread?
Weighing in on the subject at hand.

Yeah and how's that working out for you?

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:11 am

Follow me here Paulie,

If the crowning achievement is an upset (as in not supposed to happen), than you were never really at an elite level.

KSU was a flash in the pan, hell even Northwestern has a winning season once in a while, no reason any other cfb fan should stand up and take notice when your nobody coach bails.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:20 am

Jimmy Medalions wrote:KC Paulina 3.0 appears to have a mancrush on Snyder.

Into the older type I see :?

No less than SC fan has with Bush, Leinart, and Carroll.

Fact is Snyder deserves all the props and much more, he like Lavelle Edwards took a truely dog of a program and made it very respectable. SC fan should be kissing Edwards ass year round because without him there is no Norm Chow and Carroll's career would have probably ended the same way Hacket's did. How many of Snyder's former assistants are now head coaches? I know of 2 maybe 3, that pretty good coming from a program like KSU.

Michigan fan also needs to come correct cause even though he never won a MNC he is still a better coach than Lloyd Carr.

M2 · Post by M2 » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:32 am

Snyder's a punk!!!

Sincerely,

m2 in Wildcat country for the last 10 years...

the truth

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:16 am

KSU was just horrid when he took it over, they were consistently the opposition's homecoming opponent because playing KSU practically guaranteed a win.

Snyder turned them into a winner. If fans/boosters had really gotten behind the program and Snyder had improved his interpersonal skills some the sky would have been the limit. As is, going from joke to consistent winner is a considerable accomplishment. Props to him.

Personally I'd take Patterson, but Venables is an OK hire.

M2 · Post by M2 » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:24 am

Danimal wrote:KSU was just horrid when he took it over, they were consistently the opposition's homecoming opponent because playing KSU practically guaranteed a win.

Snyder turned them into a winner. If fans/boosters had really gotten behind the program and Snyder had improved his interpersonal skills some the sky would have been the limit. As is, going from joke to consistent winner is a considerable accomplishment. Props to him.

Personally I'd take Patterson, but Venables is an OK hire.

Danimal,

It's gonna be a hard sell... to get anyone good... to go into Manhattan...

I predict K-State... being K-State... before Snyder for the next 10 to 50 years...

Did I mention... I think Snyder is a crook???

m2

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:02 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:

What's he supposed to say, that his top two coordinators suck ass and can't coach?

If someone had asked most OU fans right now thats what they would have said.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:36 am

^^^^^^^^^^^

Just doing my part :D

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:04 pm

e wrote:is he still going to be on south park?

LOL.

Drugs are bad, ok?

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:15 pm

Keep in mind Snyder's last call will be playing the major role in who will succeed him.
You can bet that Tim Weiser (AD) will sit back and watch.
That said, from what I remember, when Venables left for OU, Snyder was none too happy.
He had no problem with assistants taking head coaching jobs, but he let it be known Venables move was in his eyes, purely laterial.

Snyder seems like a guy that's none to compassionate and has a memory of an elephant.

Venables may be a popular choice with fans, but not with Snyder.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:50 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:
Jimmy Medalions wrote:KC Paulina 3.0 appears to have a mancrush on Snyder.

Into the older type I see :?
No less than SC fan has with Bush, Leinart, and Carroll.

Like you and your boy Vince?

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:45 pm

Killian wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:
Jimmy Medalions wrote:KC Paulina 3.0 appears to have a mancrush on Snyder.

Into the older type I see :?
No less than SC fan has with Bush, Leinart, and Carroll.
Like you and your boy Vince?

Wow Just Vince, I must not be doing a very good job of proping Chizik, Huff Wright, Scott, Charles, Harris, Okam, Dibbles, Blalock, Thomas, Ced Griff, Mike Griff, Kill, Crowder, Quan, and Melton.

I will try and step it up.

PS I can't wait for someone to open another thread about recruiting so I can talk about the #1 recruiting class in the country.

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:29 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:Bill Snyder is the greatest coach of the past 25 years. Anyone saying different doesn't understand what a dog of a program KSU was.

I have to disagree with this. Here's why:

1. KSU, under Snyder, showed promise that they might make the leap to the truly elite level, but they never quite followed through on that promise. Yes, KSU went from bad to good under Snyder, and he deserves props for that. But from the perspective of a frustrated, lifelong ND fan, it's more difficult to make the leap from a good program to a great program than it is to make the leap from a bad program to a good program, just mho.

2. KSU's improvement under Snyder came, in part, due to a practice that has been roundly, and rightly, criticized on this board and elsewhere: scheduling OOC cupcakes. I'm not about to suggest that KSU is the only program that's doing that, but at least for awhile they were far and away the most noticeable. Unfortunately, that practice will continue, for two reasons. First, if your goal is to go from a bad program to a good program, it works, not only with KSU but with Minnesota in the present day, as just one example. Second, given the number of automatic bowl tie-ins each conference has, and the fact that four BCS conferences have a bowl tie-in/member ratio of more than 50% (and, as recently as two years ago, all six BCS conferences had that), the conferences have a vested interest in getting as many of their members as possible off to a 3-0 start before conference play begins.

I would argue that Snyder's career, in a best-case scenario, is somewhat comparable to Barry Alvarez. Both came in around the same time (late 1980's or early 1990's), both took over a program which had been a consistent doormat in its conference for quite some time, and both made their program into a fairly consistent winner. The differences, however, appear to be in Alvarez' favor. Alvarez did it without scheduling quite the OOC patsies Snyder did. Alvarez' team stayed a winner throughout his tenure; Snyder's program started to regress in his last two seasons, although certainly not to the pre-Snyder KSU point. And maybe it's just my perception, but it always seemed like Alvarez' Wisconsin teams were in the hunt for the Big 10 title more often than Snyder's KSU teams were for the Big 8/12 title.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:46 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:Terry, I'm sorry man, but you don't get HOW BAD KSU was before Snyder got there.

Snyder is a couple games away for being responsible for half of KSU's wins. That's fuckin' AMAZING in 17 years when you've got a football team that's almost a hundred years old.

Snyder is responsible for KSU's only conference championship since 1938.

Snyder is responsible for KSU being in position to choke away a shot at the 1998 national title. Had OU not ganked half his staff before the Big 12 title game, there's a good chance that KSU would have won a national title that year. KS-Flippin'-U!.

Wisconsin was a doormat before Alvarez showed up. Kansas State was the worst program in college football before Snyder showed up. They had more losses than anyone. Their winning percentage was lower than anyone with more than 100 games played.

Not only that, but Snyder did this with extremely limited resources-a brand-new stadium was built and it STILL only held 55,000.

Alvarez is a hell of a coach, no doubt, but Snyder is the fuckin' man.

This was a big problem in terms of KSU making the jump to elite program. Lack of major fan/booster support. Ya partly why KSU couldn't recruit high schoolers or keep coaches was Bill's impersonal style but more was lack of support, ie consistent sell-outs, first-rate facilities, and raises for quality assistants would have helped a lot.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:54 am

i don't know the exact stat anymore....but even at the height of Snyder's 10 win seasons KSU would have had to win every game for something like 15 seasons straight to get to .500 as a program. It might have even be worse than that.

from 1937-1993 Oklahoma lost 2 games to KSU.