Poor Texans

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:38 pm

:D :D :D :D :D

3rd string Rookie Qb from Harvard brings St.Losers back from 24-0 to win in OT

buwahahahahahahaha

Red · Post by **Red** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:05 pm

Capers is gone in 5... 4... 3...

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:18 pm

Red wrote:Capers is gone in 5... 4... 3...

NOT YET!! We gotta keep him long enough to wrap up the #1 pick.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:45 pm

They looked so good in the first half that I was worried that they would screw themselves out of the first pick and Reggie Bush. They came through in the second half.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:46 pm

The Texans seem to be writing a textbook on horrible ways to lose in the NFL.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:06 am

Rack Fu wrote:They looked so good in the first half that I was worried that they would screw themselves out of the first pick and Reggie Bush. They came through in the second half.

What the fuck are they going to do with Reggie Bush? You can't run a direct snap to him on every play.

The Texans sorely need to revamp the o-line. When they get the #1 overall, I hope they trade down a bit to get a top lineman. Then spend the next seven picks on linemen and hope a few of them stick as starters.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:16 am

rozy wrote:
Red wrote:Capers is gone in 5... 4... 3...
NOT YET!! We gotta keep him long enough to wrap up the #1 pick.

I think he'll last the rest of the season...they don't have much to lose now. Their biggest need is on offensive line...as long as they got a top 3 pick, they grab Ferguson from Virginia. They could draft Bush as well because you can never have enough running backs but that doesn't help protect Carr. I think they have to go with a lineman with their first pick.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:25 am

Red wrote:
Rack Fu wrote:They looked so good in the first half that I was worried that they would screw themselves out of the first pick and Reggie Bush. They came through in the second half.
What the fuck are they going to do with Reggie Bush? You can't run a direct snap to him on every play.

The Texans sorely need to revamp the o-line. When they get the #1 overall, I hope they trade down a bit to get a top lineman. Then spend the next seven picks on linemen and hope a few of them stick as starters.

rack

trading down to pickup a lineman, and possibly get Lyndell White(if he slips) or another RB would be an A++++ draft

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:40 am

While the O-line is going to be crucial to any chance Houston might have in the future, it's time to cut their losses at QB. Carr is probably the worse QB I've ever seen take a snap in the NFL. The guy is just plain dumb. On the rare occasions he does get some time, what does he do? He sits in the pocket and waits for the passrush to come, and throws under pressure. Just plain dumb. Almost every passing play they have is designed for a quick release to offset the bad line, but that doesn't matter to David Dumbshit...he waits for someone to hit him regardless how much time he has.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:56 am

Dinsdale wrote:I need more information before I post.

Here you go.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/m ... y.php?f=11

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forum ... =3&x=6&y=1

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:56 am

Gee, a bunch of Texans homers think Carr doesn't suck...:shocker:.

Everyone else I know (including semi-pro players/coaches who have forgotten more about the game than you know) all seem to think the guy is too dumb to ever be a successful NFL QB.

Throw the fucking ball, dude.

Hey, what do you know, that shitty line just got him some protection and gave him some time!!"

"Oh, I guess it didn't matter."

Dude isn't smart enough, nor is the coaching effective enough to get the guy to realize it's better to throw it out of bounds than take a sack. As mentioned, their offense is designed around quick-hitting pass plays, but dude has no rhythm whatsoever, and will stand there and watch the passrush come, every fucking time. Who cares what the o-line does, if the QB is going to squander every opportunity he gets?

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:16 am

Damn man. You have no background on this piece of shit team that Dom Capers fucked up. You are telling me Carr is stupid to get sacked for 4 years with no chance to get rid of a ball to whom?

Read up before you spout your ignorance on this subject. The stuff with Van is good debate but you don't know shit about the Texans' problems.

Carr is dumb? That's all you can say? I've been involved with this problem for the last 4 years and you are not even close to knowing what you are talking about with this team.

Talk about fishing or something.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:25 am

What part of "throw the fucking ball" doesn't Carr understand?

What part of "when you do get protection, find somebody and at least put it in their vicinity, for god's fucking sake" can't the dude understand.

How many times do the announcers have to say "the protection is bad, but that one was all on Carr" before you just acknowledge that the guy sucks fat ass?

Every football in the entire country thinks dude is a fuckup, but not you, Mr I'm Intimate With The Texans Because I'm a Fresno Fan...not you.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:32 am

Annie,

Why do you ask stupid questions? Let me guess, you think the Texans would be NFL champs with either Reggie Bush, or Matt Leinhart right? Morons think that way.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:11 am

I have no idea how accurate it is, but according to this site, Carr scored a 24 on the Wonderlic. He's no Ryan Fitzpatrick, but he's certainly smarter than a box of freshly-shorn hair.

Many of the sacks Carr has taken over the years are indeed on him, but if teams double Andre Johnson, Carr is throwing to Jabbar Gaffney and Corey Bradford - not exactly guys who are known for creating separation and being open on a consistent basis. An extra second and a half of pass protection would go a long way to giving them a chance at working their way open.

The other gaping hole in that offense is at the tight end position. Since their first year, when Billy Miller did a respectable job, Texans' tight ends have had zero impact. Again, an improved offensive line would free up a tight end to move downfield and get involved in the passing game. Bennie Joppru seeing the field one day might help things, too.

Anyway, while Carr is no Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, he has had very little offensive support. I don't think very many "elite" QBs would thrive in that offense as it stands now.

Quarterbacks are often the face of the team, but you build a team from the inside-out.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:38 am

They got rid of Billy Miller and there is no TE now. Chris Palmer is long gone and the OL coach that couldn't protect Carr is now the OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR! Hey, let's not get all worked p or anything.

You can't block, then you can't pass or run. Now that they have dismantled the failed 3-4 defense that barely worked when they had the players, they are still trying it.

It's a really fucked up organization and Casserly and McNair are as clueless as Dom "We didn't execute well today" Capers.

Fucking joke

Carr is given two reads. One is throw or the other is run while at the line of scrimmage.

Every defense knows they can't run or pass protect so that leaves no opion to do much else other than 1.3 second releases to receivers.

They can't use a TE because that guy has to try to block.

Dins is waaaaay off here and blaming Carr is the most fucked up shit one that doesn't know that subject can say.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:53 am

Carr has had his brains beaten in for 4 yrs.

Tough kid, I'll give him that.
You know what else?
He's never pointed the finger at anyone.
He's taken his lumps with mucho dignity.

I've never been a big fan of his, and I have questioned whether he would be a big-time NFL winner since he arrived as the #1 draft pick.
Fact of the matter is, however, we have not been able to see what he is really able to do.
So far he's been presiding over a clusterfuck, and as a young qb it's gonna be verrah hard to notch wins when such is the case.

I think it's premature to write him off, but at this point all that he's done is LOSE as an NFLer, and my fear is that the culture of losing may be beginning to become ingrained in him.

I think he needs a change of scenery, and a much better supporting cast than he's been dealt here in H-Town.

Dins is right that he tends to sometimes hold the ball too long, but Dins is NOT right in saying that he is dumb.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:44 pm

Red wrote:Anyway, while Carr is no Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, he has had very little offensive support. I don't think very many "elite" QBs would thrive in that offense as it stands now.

After watching Tom Brady sans running game yesterday, I submit that Brady wouldn't do any better in Houston than Carr has. When a team falls apart, you could have Joe Montana under center and it wouldn't mean a damn thing if he's laying on his back every other play.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:53 pm

RACKTart

This is going to be a very deep offensive line draft. They will have plenty of opportunities in the second round on to shore up the O-Line. (which has been playing MUCH better as of late. The defense has been letting us down.)

No way. NO WAY should anyone with an IQ above 23.78 pass up Reggie Bush. NO WAY, NEVER.

Not the best of Dinsdale on this thread, btw. Stick to pounding Van on CFB, slopeheaded bitch.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:10 pm

Heath Shuler - 16

WTF? This guy is running for Congress?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:25 pm

Cicero wrote:Heath Shuler - 16

WTF? This guy is running for Congress?

So? He's got to be a few points higher than George W. Bush.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:35 pm

"You're cold as ice."

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:37 pm

BSmack wrote:
Red wrote:Anyway, while Carr is no Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, he has had very little offensive support. I don't think very many "elite" QBs would thrive in that offense as it stands now.
After watching Tom Brady sans running game yesterday, I submit that Brady wouldn't do any better in Houston than Carr has. When a team falls apart, you could have Joe Montana under center and it wouldn't mean a damn thing if he's laying on his back every other play.

True, but either on of them would be a lot better than Brees with San Diego's all-star lineup.
Right?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:30 pm

Mikey wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Red wrote:Anyway, while Carr is no Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, he has had very little offensive support. I don't think very many "elite" QBs would thrive in that offense as it stands now.
After watching Tom Brady sans running game yesterday, I submit that Brady wouldn't do any better in Houston than Carr has. When a team falls apart, you could have Joe Montana under center and it wouldn't mean a damn thing if he's laying on his back every other play.
True, but either on of them would be a lot better than Brees with San Diego's all-star lineup.
Right?

Yep.

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:31 pm

Wonderlic? Interesting stuff...

Marino, Dan
1983 Pittsburgh
14

Favre, Brett
1991 Southern Miss.
22

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:47 am

stuckinia wrote:The Texans seem to be writing a textbook on horrible ways to lose in the NFL.

As someone who USED to live in the New Orleans metro....the Texans are'nt doing shit I haven't already seen the Saints do at least once.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:38 pm

Mississippi Neck wrote:
stuckinia wrote:The Texans seem to be writing a textbook on horrible ways to lose in the NFL.
As someone who USED to live in the New Orleans metro....the Texans are'nt doing shit I haven't already seen the Saints do at least once.

When it comes to losing in horrible ways, NOBODY has a leg up on the Buffalo Bills this week.