Will the Packers pick Mooch up?

Cosmo Kramer · Post by **Cosmo Kramer** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:11 pm

Favre has stated that if Sherman goes than he will go, but Mooch was Favre's QB coach and he loves the guy...thoughts....

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:17 pm

Favre is fucked either way. He'll never play for a winner again.

frodo_biguns · Post by **frodo_biguns** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:21 pm

If they are smart, they'll keep Shermanator and add Mooch.But it won't stop Favre from playing .500 near the end of games.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:26 pm

Green Bay would be a spot that makes sense. He and Favre already have a great relationship...unlike in Detroit with Harrington. If I were a betting man, he'll either end up in Green Bay in some capacity or he'll become the new head coach at MSU.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:32 pm

BSmack wrote:He'll never play for a winner again.

You never know, they both might be working for the Raiders next year.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:33 pm

mvscal wrote:Why would you do that?

Maybe give him a shot as an assistant, but he's a trainwreck of a head coach.

Didn't he do alright for the 49ers?

Cosmo Kramer · Post by **Cosmo Kramer** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:35 pm

mvscal wrote:Why would you do that?

Maybe give him a shot as an assistant, but he's a trainwreck of a head coach.

Millen is more to blame for the Detroit debacle than Mooch

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:01 pm

Cosmo Kramer wrote:
mvscal wrote:Why would you do that?

Maybe give him a shot as an assistant, but he's a trainwreck of a head coach.

Millen is more to blame for the Detroit debacle than Mooch

If another coach is able to get this talent to play well, we'll know it was Mooch's fault. It's not like Millen has put a talented team on the field. He just hasn't done enough to build a strong offensive line.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:04 pm

Mooch MIGHT have a little success if he coached GB next year. With a full arsenal of talent in Javon Walker, Donald Driver and Ahman Green, I think Favre can make one last hoorah. I'm not talking Superbowl but I don't think the playoffs are out of the question.

If you look beyond the one season left that Favre will play, than you encounter the same situation Mooch just left. Coaching a college Qb who was touted as one of the best leaving college and trying to mold him into a "Brett Favre". Its just not going to happen.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:17 pm

Sirfindafold wrote:
mvscal wrote:Why would you do that?

Maybe give him a shot as an assistant, but he's a trainwreck of a head coach.
Didn't he do alright for the 49ers?

Moochie's record in SF :

2002 10-6-0 1st -- NFC West 1-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs
2001 12-4-0 2nd -- NFC West 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs
2000 6-10-0 4th -- NFC West --

1999 4-12-0 4th -- NFC West --

1998 12-4-0 2nd -- NFC West 1-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs
1997 13-3-0 1st -- NFC West 1-1 - Lost Conference Championship
_________________

Bear in mind , his teams in his first two years was the remainder of Eddie DeBartolo's dynasty . The 2001/2002 teams had TO and Garcia .

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:22 pm

Shoalzie wrote:Green Bay would be a spot that makes sense. He and Favre already have a great relationship...unlike in Detroit with Harrington. If I were a betting man, he'll either end up in Green Bay in some capacity or he'll become the new head coach at MSU.

No thanks. His bastardized west coast dink-n-dunk offense won't get it done in the Big Ten. At least John L throws the ball down the field and plays to win. Now if he can just work on the winning part...

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:28 pm

Shoalzie wrote:
Cosmo Kramer wrote:
mvscal wrote:Why would you do that?

Maybe give him a shot as an assistant, but he's a trainwreck of a head coach.

Millen is more to blame for the Detroit debacle than Mooch

If another coach is able to get this talent to play well, we'll know it was Mooch's fault. It's not like Millen has put a talented team on the field. He just hasn't done enough to build a strong offensive line.

Getting a good quarterback will take some pressure off the offensive line. Everyone has been talking about for years how awful Detroit's offensive line is, and it's no coincidence that during these same years, Detroit has had inept quarterbacks. Defenses pound that offensive line at will because they know the Lions won't/can't throw it down field. I don't care who's on that line, they're simply not going to be able to hold up on every down because teams know what they're going to do. I wouldn't say they're underrated, but their actual offensive linemen are not as bad as everyone thinks.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:01 pm

I'm not saying the o-line doesn't need to be beefed up, what I am saying is that it's not their biggest problem. The Lions' playcalling is horribly predictable. Every team stacks 8 in the box and kills them because they know they won't throw it down the field. I've seen it time and time again for many years now.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:23 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:Green Bay would be a spot that makes sense. He and Favre already have a great relationship...unlike in Detroit with Harrington. If I were a betting man, he'll either end up in Green Bay in some capacity or he'll become the new head coach at MSU.
No thanks. His bastardized west coast dink-n-dunk offense won't get it done in the Big Ten. At least John L throws the ball down the field and plays to win. Now if he can just work on the winning part...

I'm only speculating since he's Izzo's boy.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:32 pm

Mooche's name has been whispered in these parts should Vermiel decide to hang 'em up... As has Joey Harrington's as Heir Successor to Trent Greene.

Should be an interesting off-season.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:25 pm

mvscal wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:what I am saying is that it's not their biggest problem. The Lions' playcalling is horribly predictable.
So fire the coach. Don't tell me they don't have the talent to throw downfield. They have what? Five number one picks at the offensive skill positions?

No, the receiver positions are not an issue. All they need to do is stay healthy and out of trouble so they can all be on the field at once. But talented receivers or not, they need a capable quarterback who can get them the ball.

Five number one picks at the offensive skill positions

Which is another reason Millen is a bigger problem than the offensive line. He's wasted too many draft picks trying to focus on one dimension of the football team.

The changes I felt needed to be made were simply:

-Axe Harrington and try to draft high for a QB again (except scout better)
-Axe Millen
-Beef up the O line

I always had mixed feelings on axing Mooch or not. I wanted to see what he could do with a revamped offense (linemen and QB). Millen and Co. never gave him that opportunity.

Red · Post by **Red** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:08 pm

mvscal wrote:
Truman wrote:Mooche's name has been whispered in these parts should Vermiel decide to hang 'em up... As has Joey Harrington's as Heir Successor to Trent Greene.

Should be an interesting off-season.
Sounds like a plan to me.

--The Rest of the AFC West

No shit.

"One guy in particular ... is the cause of this whole thing," Bly said on the NFL Network. "It's not hard to figure out. ... The quarterback here has been bad. ... He has not really gotten the job done ever since I have been here. ... I really believe Coach would not have been fired if Jeff (Garcia) would have been healthy."

And he expounded to the Free Press.

"Joey's been here four years," he said, "and being the No. 3 pick in the draft, he hasn't given us anything."

He'd look good in that catsup and mustard uni.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:13 am

Truman wrote:Mooche's name has been whispered in these parts should Vermiel decide to hang 'em up... As has Joey Harrington's as Heir Successor to Trent Greene.

Should be an interesting off-season.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:23 am

KC Scott wrote:

I wouldn't want the two guys in the same place because they clearly didn't coexist in Detroit. I'm fairly certain we'll see both guys in new cities next year but maybe not in prominent positions. Harrington could be a backup and Mooch might be an assistant if he doesn't take a head coach position.