Two things I noticed last night

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:57 pm

First, when Texas was driving with about 6 minutes left, Young completed a pass and the WR was driven out of bounds. The clock didn't stop, and 21 seconds ran off until the next play. Second, on the 4th and 1, the line judges had two completely seperat spots for the end of White's run. The one with a clear view of the play, marked the ball almost a full yard behind where the other line judge (who couldn't see the play) marked it. The judge who saw it, appeared to have the correct spot, but deffered to the other line judge. That spot almost cost Texas the NC.

Other than that, I thought the refs did a good job.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:59 pm

I think the Refs did OK, but they missed 3 others calls as well.

1- The VY pitch. His knee was down.

2- The Interception on Leinart that wasnt called.

3- The supposed incomplete catch by the Texas WR. He caught that ball and then fumbled. Should have been USC ball.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:01 pm

Cicero wrote:I think the Refs did OK, but they missed 3 others calls as well.

1- The VY pitch. His knee was down.

2- The Interception on Leinart that wasnt called.

3- The supposed incomplete catch by the Texas WR. He caught that ball and then fumbled. Should have been USC ball.

1. Agree, but the replay officials should have caught it.

2. Disagree. The ground can't cause a fumble, but it can cause an incomplete pass.

3. Disagree. That was a bang-bang play where Cushing stripped the ball before the Texas WR had controll.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:07 pm

Killian wrote:
Cicero wrote:I think the Refs did OK, but they missed 3 others calls as well.

1- The VY pitch. His knee was down.

2- The Interception on Leinart that wasnt called.

3- The supposed incomplete catch by the Texas WR. He caught that ball and then fumbled. Should have been USC ball.
1. Agree, but the replay officials should have caught it.

2. Disagree. The ground can't cause a fumble, but it can cause an incomplete pass.

3. Disagree. That was a bang-bang play where Cushing stripped the ball before the Texas WR had controll.

Agreed on all counts. No one can conclusively say whether or not that was a fumble by the Texas WR (or was it TE?). That was too bang bang.

I also noticed the spot on the first Lendale run, killian. The near officila had it right. I watched his reaction as he stood there with his foot on the spot and he was kinda peeking around one of the UT defenders to see where the other official was spotting it.

One other missed call, imo. Early in the first (first USC posession, I think), Leinart threw a swing pass to a RB (Lendale?) who then threw it downfield. Sure looked like a forward swing pass to me. That should have been reviewed. Not that it mattered as USC punted anyways.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:10 pm

1- The VY pitch. His knee was down.

Huge failure there, on the part of the entire officiating staff. OK, so you can miss the call on the field...but no replay? Um...why not?

The gravity of that situation ensures a failing grade for the official team last night.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:25 pm

PSUFAN wrote:
1- The VY pitch. His knee was down.
Huge failure there, on the part of the entire officiating staff. OK, so you can miss the call on the field...but no replay? Um...why not?

The gravity of that situation ensures a failing grade for the official team last night.

It was also clearly a forward lateral.

Another failure was the review of the non-fumble during the last drive. The Texas player was clearly down, but they stopped the clock to review it anyway.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:30 pm

The replay format in college football needs work. Witvoet is the top ref from the Big Ten...he usually does a solid job. Coincidentally, he's from the area and his wife was my 6th grade teacher. Anyways, the officiating wasn't spotless but the right team won in the end.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:57 pm

Cicero wrote:3- The supposed incomplete catch by the Texas WR. He caught that ball and then fumbled. Should have been USC ball.

I agree with most of what you guys said and on this issue, he didn't make a "football move" or whatever they call it so I think you have to defer to what the officials on the field called, not what you watch in slow-mo replay.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:12 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Huge failure there, on the part of the entire officiating staff. OK, so you can miss the call on the field...but no replay? Um...why not?

I'm pretty sure that the announcers explained later that there was technical difficulty, and the replay officials never saw the play. By my reckoning, that was the only reasonable explaination as to why the replay officials should still be employed this morning.

Great game, bad officiating.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:16 pm

What I had an issue with-- and maybe it's because the replay rules are different from the NFL-- was what was actually reviewable.

On the Jamaal Charles pass, the play on the field was ruled incomplete by the referee (grant it, was a late call). How can they review it to see if it was a fumble??? I know this wouldn't fly in the NFL. But was it reviewable because the whistle didn't sound and the call was late? Or can they actually overturn an incomplete pass and award a turnover to the team that recovered it after the fact? Lefty?

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:17 pm

They have to rule it a fumble on the field to review it.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:21 pm

^^ Am I wrong, though? Wasn't the call on the field incomplete? How the fuck can they review it to see if it was a fumble?

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:23 pm

Did they review that play? I thought it was just Jackson and Fouts yapping about it.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:34 pm

I'm pretty sure they reviewed it.

Lefty?

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:39 pm

Regarding the non-review on VY's pitch... I read in the paper this morning that yes, technical difficulties were occuring at the time and the replay booth did not have access to ABC's camera angles at the time. Only angle available was from a camera in the endzone. Still inexcuseable.

Nolesy · Post by **Nolesy** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:35 pm

Did any one notice that when some one scored from either team they did'nt go ape shit. Rather they merely flipped the ball back to the ref.
Discipline and class. I like that.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:42 pm

L45B wrote:I'm pretty sure they reviewed it.

Lefty?

They reviewed it, and upheld that it was an incomplete pass. Could have gone either way, and it was recovered by a Trojan who was down immediately. Win some, lose some.

The Young lateral with his knee down was a bad no-call, but Texas was probably going to score anyways. Again...win some, lose some.

Officiating did not determine the outcome of the game. Period.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:44 pm

Nolesy wrote:Rather they merely flipped the ball back to the ref.
Discipline and class. I like that.

Can't speak for Texas because I haven't watched them for years and years, but this is a hallmark of Pete Carroll. In those rare occaisions where our guys do go apeshit (i.e. LenDale touchdown, Orange Bowl last year) you can count backwards from 10 before you'll find Carroll in their face screaming.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:47 pm

Certainly the officiating could have been much better, but I agree, it did not decide the outcome of the game.

Regarding mentioned play, I realize they didn't overturn it, but I'm curious to know whether it, by rule, was even allowed to be overturned in the first place.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:51 pm

I think the answer is yes, for the same reason you can review a catch ruled incomplete by a line judge, who thinks the guy didn't get his foot down in-bounds.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:54 pm

Nolesy wrote:Did any one notice that when some one scored from either team they did'nt go ape shit. Rather they merely flipped the ball back to the ref.
Discipline and class. I like that.

Yes, especially on VY's TD run, I noticed that. As a matter of fact, when he ran it in and exited out the side/back of the endzone, it appeared to me that he was in a state of shock of sorts. Almost like he was overtaken by the gravity of the TD he just scored.

But yes, I was impressed by the way both teams carried themselves throughout.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:01 pm

Jimmy Medalions wrote:I think the answer is yes, for the same reason you can review a catch ruled incomplete by a line judge, who thinks the guy didn't get his foot down in-bounds.

Right, but the sideline catch/no-catch play is technically over right after the whistle blows. Dude is going out of bounds either way. I understand how that is reviewable. But it's not the same.

When a dude drops a pass in the middle of the field, the whistle blows, the referee calls it incomplete, but an opposing player jumps on the ball after the fact while the dude who dropped the pass runs back to the huddle... that should not be reviewable. Or so I would think...

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:50 am

Dinsdale wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:Huge failure there, on the part of the entire officiating staff. OK, so you can miss the call on the field...but no replay? Um...why not?
I'm pretty sure that the announcers explained later that there was technical difficulty, and the replay officials never saw the play. By my reckoning, that was the only reasonable explaination as to why the replay officials should still be employed this morning.

Great game, bad officiating.

I feel pretty sure that they missed the ensuing extra point kick because they were doing the "Big 10 shuffle" to get the play off so that it couldn't be reviewed. Sickening to have to see them resort to that...

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:54 am

PSUFAN wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:Huge failure there, on the part of the entire officiating staff. OK, so you can miss the call on the field...but no replay? Um...why not?
I'm pretty sure that the announcers explained later that there was technical difficulty, and the replay officials never saw the play. By my reckoning, that was the only reasonable explaination as to why the replay officials should still be employed this morning.

Great game, bad officiating.
I feel pretty sure that they missed the ensuing extra point kick because they were doing the "Big 10 shuffle" to get the play off so that it couldn't be reviewed. Sickening to have to see them resort to that...

It probably would have worked to thier advantage to not do that. I think they would have scored anyways but they would have run off more time on the clock that would have left SC with less time to get that last field goal.