Color me pleasantly surprised-Vince Young to the NFL..

MSUFAN · Post by **MSUFAN** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:21 pm

Rack him! :smile:

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:14 pm

Well hell, there goes my dreams of back to back MNC. I expect Texas to now drop down to the 3 loss level next season. Texas will have 3 QBs fighting for playing time, one red-shirt freshmen and two freshmen. That is not a pretty sight. We will have a good oline and a good set of receivers infact the rest of the offense and defense is good enough to win every ball game on the sechedule.

Oh well, all good things must come to an end and it is time for Vince to move on.

looking back at all the USC hype I'm actually kinda happy because it always be remembered that it was Vince who took down the great USC team that could not be beat.

I will say this, Texas is going to pay for two years of poor QB recruiting over the last 2 years, but it was worth it. I wonder if Ryan Perrloser is kicking himself right now, he could be the heir to a great offense, but as it is, he is in a dogfight with 2 other qbs just to take the field.

I think the best thing that can happen to Young right now is that he gets drafted by Tennessee and has a chance to sit behind Steve McNair and tutored by Norm Chow. If Chow can do for him what he has done for Carson Palmer I think Vince will revolutionize the QB position.

Damit, I miss him already!

See You Next Wednesday · Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:36 pm

There must be a mistake beacuase mvscal said that he wasn't coming out.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:53 pm

"'He has the blessing of God, the pastor and his family,' said Yolanda Lezine, Young's godmother and the family media's spokeswoman."

Oh, really? God spoke to you and said, "Vince needs to take the cash. It's time. Y'all deserve some bling so I say, 'Go for it!'"

And you know this how, you pompous cunt?

Please, spare us such drivel.

And to dovetail with the other thread, here we go again, with college football following in the footsteps of NCAA hoops by heading further down the drain due to all the best players leaving early...

USC-Texas II, with Reggie and Lendale attempting in next year's BCS Title Game to avenge their defeat by Vince?

Nope. All three, likely gone. USC-Texas II, totally up in smoke, in a plume of "God Approved!" NFL cayshe.

I don't fault the players for grabbing their brass ring, not in the least. I just lament the continually declining state of the game...

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:54 pm

See You Next Wednesday wrote:There must be a mistake beacuase mvscal said that he wasn't coming out.

is mvscal in your dome that bad?

All the media clowns said he would be back. Even after the game, rivals radio talked to Vince and he said he wanted to 2 pete.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:58 pm

I like that you spell it "2 pete" rather than "2 peat"...

Yep, Pete's got that whole two-fer thing down. Despite LSU Fan's protestations winning two titles in a row is now obviously synonymous with ol' Pete...

:-)

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:03 pm

Physically, he's ready. But mentally? I don't know. It never hurts to stay one more year for a QB. His ability to step up in big games and carry a team on his back is an attractive quality for a young QB though.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:07 pm

Van wrote:"'He has the blessing of God, the pastor and his family,' said Yolanda Lezine, Young's godmother and the family media's spokeswoman."

Oh, really? God spoke to you and said, "Vince needs to take the cash. It's time. Y'all deserve some bling so I say, 'Go for it!'"

And you know this how, you pompous cunt?

Please, spare us such drivel.

Van, you need to settle a bit. Just sayin'.
No need to rake someone for being of the religious ilk. Further, it's not as if they implied VY directly received a blessing from God. I pretty sure it was meant as a generality.

With your incessant bitching about the supposed 3-peat, bad calls, and tertiary items such as this... you're on the way to making yourself out to be one fo those 'bitter cunts' people so oft refer to on this board.

I always liked readin' your shit... don't ruin it, eh?

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:09 pm

Shoalzie wrote:It never hurts to stay one more year for a QB.

Bullshit. Not if you're a top 5 or ten pick.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:35 pm

Staying at Texas and continuing to play sandlot ball as a 100% shotgun QB who has all day to decide whether to run or throw won't do anything further to help turn Vince into an NFL QB.

Unless and until Vince learns the pro game this is as good as it gets for him. Along with the occasional shotgun formation the pro game mostly involves taking the snap from under center and then going into three, five and seven step drops; quick reads and decisions while under fire from myriad defensive schemes operated by defenses that won't allow him ten minutes per play to decide what to do...

Right now Vince is merely an athlete with good wheels, a strong but flawed arm and, most of all, he's a winner. It's that last thing that will serve him best because the first two won't matter a hill of beans in the athletes-are-a-dime-a-dozen NFL.

He's going to start over from scratch in the NFL. He's going to have to be taken down to zero. His throwing motion will have to be reconstructed and then he'll have to learn what it is to really play the QB position against real NFL defensive pressure.

All that freelancing and all that running? Those days are mostly gone now.

He has to ditch all that and learn to become a QB. This won't be easy to do, what with all the success he's had while relying solely on his and his teammates' dominating athletic ability. Everything in his expereicne tells him that it's okay to rely on athleticism. He can always make a play.

It's going to be very difficult to break him down, rein him in and turn him into a real QB...

I guess we'll soon find out just how coachable he really is since the main thing Texas did to benefit him was to simply turn him loose. That apporoach worked just fine since Texas' overall talent level made freelancing so incredibly easy for Vince.

Stick him behind an overmatched offensive line though, one that'll see him getting his ribs crushed every time he holds onto the ball a moment too long, and his first instinctive response will be to again start freelancing....and then it's all over.

Turnover after turnover, holding penalties from bewildered linemen who don't know where and how to protect him, 11 for 27 outings with a QB rating of 54.7, losses galore and before too very long at all he'll be a frequent visitor on the disabled list...

Yes indeed, we'll soon see how coachable he really is. Can VY ever learn to play QB, real QB?

What's your prediction??

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:43 pm

Ken wrote:
Van wrote:"'He has the blessing of God, the pastor and his family,' said Yolanda Lezine, Young's godmother and the family media's spokeswoman."

Oh, really? God spoke to you and said, "Vince needs to take the cash. It's time. Y'all deserve some bling so I say, 'Go for it!'"

And you know this how, you pompous cunt?

Please, spare us such drivel.
Van, you need to settle a bit. Just sayin'.
No need to rake someone for being of the religious ilk. Further, it's not as if they implied VY directly received a blessing from God. I pretty sure it was meant as a generality.

With your incessant bitching about the supposed 3-peat, bad calls, and tertiary items such as this... you're on the way to making yourself out to be one fo those 'bitter cunts' people so oft refer to on this board.

I always liked readin' your shit... don't ruin it, eh?

Right. Just like it was a "generality" when Reggie White said God told him to take the money...

Also, you're right, it wasn't "implied" that VY directly received a blessing from God. No, she flat out stated it, implicitly, and then she got even more specific with it by stating he received similar blessings by his pastor and his family.

Presumably, those blessings weren't implied either. Pretty sure she was being literal since she undoubtedly directly spoke with their pastor and the family.

Sorry, Ken, but I really don't need VY's gravy training "family media representative" (wtf??) telling me who does and doesn't have God's blessing when it comes to His supposed bestowing of blessings upon callous business decisions.

Pretty damn certain God doesn't give a rip as to whether or not VY's grandma drives a Ford or a Lexus four months from now.

Also, I don't know what board you've been reading but you saw absolutely no bitching whatsoever from me about any bad calls against USC.

No excuses made, no rationalizing, no finger pointing and no credit to Texas withheld.

None. In fact, I was at the front of the line saying those bad calls didn't matter in the least because USC still had every reason and opportunity to win anyway.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:00 pm

I've been saying that he'd go out, regardless of what he tried to say. It's a freakin' no-brainer, even for his brainless ass. He's losing most of his line. Vince Young or not, losing his line will expose his passing for what it is...

...largely due to the talent of his OLine. He's an incredible athlete and put together one of the best performances EVER in a championship game... but without that line, he'd start looking a LOT less like a 1st round QB next year and a lot MORE like a 2nd or even 3rd round athlete...

IM Humble O.

...and NO, Tejas Fan, I'm not discrediting the job that he did this year one bit. He was absolutely AMAZING. But, be honest with yourselves... even Chris Simms would have looked good behind that line...

the_ouskull

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:54 pm

the_ouskull wrote:I've been saying that he'd go out, regardless of what he tried to say. It's a freakin' no-brainer, even for his brainless ass. He's losing most of his line. Vince Young or not, losing his line will expose his passing for what it is...

...largely due to the talent of his OLine. He's an incredible athlete and put together one of the best performances EVER in a championship game... but without that line, he'd start looking a LOT less like a 1st round QB next year and a lot MORE like a 2nd or even 3rd round athlete...

IM Humble O.

...and NO, Tejas Fan, I'm not discrediting the job that he did this year one bit. He was absolutely AMAZING. But, be honest with yourselves... even Chris Simms would have looked good behind that line... the_ouskull

Ummm....He loses 2 of the 5 linemen and the guy taking Jon Scott's place is Tony Hills. He isn't a slouch himself. I think the line played a big part in the sucess of Vince but he also had to make the reads and the throws and the moves. You can have a great line but if you cannot read what the defense is giving you (i.e. Chris Simms) then the line doesn't matter. We had pretty good lines when Chris and Major were at Texas. Vince is above both.

Van. Flawed? He complete 75% of his passes against USC. How is that flawed? He threw for 267. Flawed? I think not. The motion may be different but if comleting 75% of your passes for 267 and no int's against the then #1 team and 2 time defending champs is flawed, then I will take it all day long.

I hope Jevan and Colt are ready. Should be a great spring practice. If I am Ohio State and OU I would be planning my blitzes.

Good Luck Vince, it was a great ride.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:37 pm

VY will NOT make it in the NFL. Period.

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:55 pm

I don't think he'll be worth a damn in the NFL, but that kind of cash is hard to turn down. This way he goes out on top. He is a living Texas legend right now and the Heisman is about the only he has left to prove in college. He is one of the greatest college ballers I've ever seen, but I'm really doubting it will carry over to the next level. Either way gotta give the kid his due.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:23 am

Yes....he was electric and downright awesome. BUT, he's not an NFL'er.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:35 am

Harvdog, yes, "flawed". His arm strength is great but his delivery is very flawed and the only reason he has such gaudy passing numbers is because of the dominance of his O Line and the incredible amount of time they gaive him to sit back and pick and choose from among many wide open receivers.

All that goes out the window once he's in the NFL, especially if he's a high draft pick who ends up on a bad team. Merely having a big arm means nothing in the NFL.

We'll see how VY does when his surrounding talent is inferior to the opposing D's and he's forced to make snap decisions against unfamiliar schemes. How will he do when playing in an unfamiliar offense that forces him to play from under center?

We'll see how he does when he's forced to abandon the sandlot shotgun game and hey, he may ultimately work it out. We'll see. Right now though, he's utterly unprepared to excell in the NFL. He will not be able to step right in and help anybody any time soon...

Bobby42 · Post by **Bobby42** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:53 am

88 wrote:Buckeye Nation appreciates and supports Mr. Young's decision whole-heartedly. Good luck, Mr. Young. We look forward to meeting your replacement on September 9, 2006 in Austin.

This is true. As a matter of act, Buckeye Nation would have supported Mr. Young's departure a year earlier. Damn.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:18 am

the_ouskull wrote: But, be honest with yourselves... even Chris Simms would have looked good behind that line...

oh skullie, you rascal.....Chris always looks good from behind.

sin,

Brent Musberger

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:52 am

Trix your such a bitter lil troll. Vince is already a better QB than Vick and a better runner. He will have a very long pro career.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:25 am

Van wrote:"'He has the blessing of God, the pastor and his family,' said Yolanda Lezine, Young's godmother and the family media's spokeswoman."

Oh, really? God spoke to you and said, "Vince needs to take the cash. It's time. Y'all deserve some bling so I say, 'Go for it!'"

And you know this how, you pompous cunt?

Please, spare us such drivel.

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:48 am

Van wrote:"'He has the blessing of God, the pastor and his family,' said Yolanda Lezine, Young's godmother and the family media's spokeswoman."

Oh, really? God spoke to you and said, "Vince needs to take the cash. It's time. Y'all deserve some bling so I say, 'Go for it!'"

And you know this how, you pompous cunt?

Please, spare us such drivel.

Simmah dahn nah!

Seriously, what's with the bitterness?

Edit- Nevermind. I scrolled a post down...but I still don't get it. :|

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:01 am

Van wrote:
Ken wrote:
Van wrote:"'He has the blessing of God, the pastor and his family,' said Yolanda Lezine, Young's godmother and the family media's spokeswoman."

Oh, really? God spoke to you and said, "Vince needs to take the cash. It's time. Y'all deserve some bling so I say, 'Go for it!'"

And you know this how, you pompous cunt?

Please, spare us such drivel.
Van, you need to settle a bit. Just sayin'.
No need to rake someone for being of the religious ilk. Further, it's not as if they implied VY directly received a blessing from God. I pretty sure it was meant as a generality.

With your incessant bitching about the supposed 3-peat, bad calls, and tertiary items such as this... you're on the way to making yourself out to be one fo those 'bitter cunts' people so oft refer to on this board.

I always liked readin' your shit... don't ruin it, eh?
Right. Just like it was a "generality" when Reggie White said God told him to take the money...

Also, you're right, it wasn't "implied" that VY directly received a blessing from God. No, she flat out stated it, implicitly, and then she got even more specific with it by stating he received similar blessings by his pastor and his family.

Effing semantics. Did she mean they actually recevied word from God above... they all sat around, hands joined, and let the Lord speak to them? No. Of course not. You're taking it too literally... that's my point.

My second point is that you need to find more important things to get reefed up your vagina when there's no dildo handy to jog it loose.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:46 am

Vagina/dildo smack?

And you're talking about "not ruining" someone's readability?

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:55 pm

Rich Gannon was a pretty good NFL QB with that shit throwing motion, and he's shorter than VY with nowhere near the wheels.

VY is a lot like McNabb was at 'Cuse with a little bit happier feet. I see their NFL careers being very similar.

Shawn Marion · Post by **Shawn Marion** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:09 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:VY is a lot like McNabb was at 'Cuse with a little bit happier feet. I see their NFL careers being very similar.

Nah, Vince has already showed that he can step it up in big games.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:37 pm

Shoalzie wrote:Physically, he's ready. But mentally? I don't know.

Dude had to make absolutely sure his do-rag was in proper position before he would step in front of the cameras after the game, and only granted inteviews after proper preening of his headwear. (Don't know if everyone caught that)

Do you still not know?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:44 pm

Also, how the fuck can anyone even argue the "blessing from God" bit?

Being a VY apologist, or are you just borderline illiterate?

Dude's gravytraining relative said he had a blessing from God. Claiming to speak for God is blasphemy, according to most Christians, and is very much taking His name in vain, if you're claiming that God wants you to drop out of school to throw a ball around.

Unfucking believable. What a pretentious she-bitch. At times, I hope there really is a Hell, so this loudmouthed pundit can burn in it.

If you're in line to get bick bucks from the NFL, then by all means, more power to you. You have my blessing. But to claim God gave you his blessing...that's taking license with your religion just a little too far. Very offensive, and I'm not even a Christian. Although it sure seems like in the parts of the country where people speak with stupid drwals, you can justify just about anything with "God said it was OK," and it's universally accepted.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:50 pm

They guy is only doing what any of the other kids in college would do, if given the chance. Can't blame him for it and if he wants to say God gave him the OK, I have no problem with that either. People make claims about what God told them all the time.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:54 pm

Jimmy Medalions wrote:People make claims about what God told them all the time.

Yeah, but in other segments of society, we lock those people up because they're dangerous.

I would without a doubt take the money if I were in his shoes. I just wouldn't try to appease the bible-thumpers that are prevalent in Those Parts by claiming that God told me to give the school the shaft.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:58 pm

Brown doesnt lose too many of his players early and yet Texas still had one of the lowest grad rates of teams in major bowl games.
I dont see him doing a ton in the NFL unless a team goes to the spread option, course I also thought USC would win so my prognastication skills are pretty much crap

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:58 pm

Yeah but Bush and Clinton both show up at National Cathedral when the cameras are rolling. No different here, just simple pandering is all.

We've all been guilty of something like this at one time or another.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:15 am

Jimmy Medalions wrote:
We've all been guilty of something like this at one time or another.

Uhhhhh.....

No.

For better or worse, I take the lumps I make for myself, by myself. If I make a good decision, it was because I chose wisely. If I make a bad decision, it's because I reverted to my usual dumbass-MO. I'll never blame God, Allah, or Buddha for my mistakes, and I sure the hell won't point my finger to the sky the next time I light up some over-40 fool for a TD in a sandlot game. Not my style.

Although... I've been seriously considering going the "blame Bush" route as of late...but I think they have support groups for that, so I'm sure I'll be OK.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:25 am

Dinsdale wrote:Uhhhhh.....

No.

If you say so. Yawn.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:17 am

Not a Christian either, nor am I the least bit religious.

I simply hate it when people invoke God as their excuse, win or lose, good bad or indifferent.

Invoke God's supposed will when it's about money, and gravytraining money?

Off the charts ignoble.

Shawn Marion · Post by **Shawn Marion** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:34 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Jimmy Medalions wrote:People make claims about what God told them all the time.
Yeah, but in other segments of society, we lock those people up because they're dangerous.

...and in other segments we elect them to run the country.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:54 am

USC losing the Rose Bowl has made me an atheist since I asked him to tackle Vince Young at least a dozen times during the game.

ok I was already an atheist but now Im positive about it

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:39 am

I think he should jump. He can develop more riding pine next year than getting to run-amok against college guys. I don't think Vick is a fair comparison. VY is definitely farther along than Vick was when he jumped and VY has shown major clutch ability. Vick showed the ability to beat meh teams by just being a good athlete. VY will be somewhat of a project but that project should pay-off big.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:34 pm

I'm no theologist. I've read the Bible a couple times. I know my fair share about religion. I don't like to go to church because of all the hypocrites, but I do have somewhat of a relationship with God, probably not as good as I would like.

All that being said, I'm pretty positive VY didn't get a message from God saying "GO PRO!" However, I've prayed on things before over and over and eventually came up with an answer to my problem. You hell-seekers can claim that my praying and faith had nothing to do with it. I felt it did. I didn't think God whispered in my ear, but praying is meditation. Whatever your inspiration is, it can help put you in the frame of mind you need to make whatever decision you need to.

I don't have a problem with VY saying that. I have no doubt that he prayed on this. I prayed on the decision to leave my job in Dallas for a paycut in rural Indiana because I felt it was best for my family in the long run. Just because what is best for VY and his family in the long run is the payday doesn't mean that he didn't seek God's help.

There are none righteous. No not one.
- Romans 3:10

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:24 pm

^^^

Amen brotha.