Vick: My brother did nothing wrong.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:34 pm

"No, I ain't mad," Michael Vick said. "He didn't do anything wrong. The world will all know when the truth comes out."

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He wasnt kicked off just b/c he stomped on some dude's knee. It was the arrest for speeding and pot, the arrest for trying to get 15 year old girls drunk and the arrest for speeding while driving on a suspended license. Oh yeah, and right after he pulled a gun on some kids at McDonalds. yeah bro, your brother is a saint. Let him keep on playing. No wonder the kid keeps messing up. Those closest to him wont discipline him or tell him that he effed up.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:37 pm

Even if he didn't do this latest thing but he's been connected with a lot of bad press. A good guy doesn't get connected to the same stuff he's been linked to. I don't think it's just coincidence...there really is something wrong with this guy. Mike is being the supportive big brother but he also needs to kick lil' bro in the ass when he deserves it.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:11 pm

Paging Mvscal. Please pick up the black.. err I mean white phone.

I guess Mike never heard of tough love.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:23 pm

jiminphilly wrote:I guess Mike never heard of tough love.

To be fair, I wouldn't bash my brother in the press either. There's some shit that you just shouldn't put on the laundry line.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:29 pm

BSmack wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:I guess Mike never heard of tough love.
To be fair, I wouldn't bash my brother in the press either. There's some shit that you just shouldn't put on the laundry line.

The shit is already on the line for all to see. Mike would be doing his brother a favor by telling his little brother to grow the fuck up, be a man and accept responsibility.

But then again, Ron Mexico hasn't exactly done that either, has he?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:38 pm

jiminphilly wrote:The shit is already on the line for all to see. Mike would be doing his brother a favor by telling his little brother to grow the fuck up, be a man and accept responsibility.

That's great to do in private. But no way I do that in public.

But then again, Ron Mexico hasn't exactly done that either, has he?

Not sure how that lawsuit turned out. Are you?

Hey, nobody is saying Mike Vick is a saint. But that doesn't mean he should throw his brother under the bus for the national press. If my brother was in the position Marcus Vick is in, I might well be telling him to grow up. But it would be in PRIVATE, not for the press to see, hear and report.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:49 pm

BSmack wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:The shit is already on the line for all to see. Mike would be doing his brother a favor by telling his little brother to grow the fuck up, be a man and accept responsibility.
That's great to do in private. But no way I do that in public.

But then again, Ron Mexico hasn't exactly done that either, has he?
Not sure how that lawsuit turned out. Are you?

Hey, nobody is saying Mike Vick is a saint. But that doesn't mean he should throw his brother under the bus for the national press. If my brother was in the position Marcus Vick is in, I might well be telling him to grow up. But it would be in PRIVATE, not for the press to see, hear and report.

Vick's brother is clearly a bad dude heading down a path of complete destruction. Mike should have given a 'no comment' and dealt with it privately.. I'm good with that.

But instead he defends his brother like this was an isolated incident. I'm thinking there is even more shit that VA tech has been dealing with that isn't even public and the stomping indicident was the last straw type of thing... By defending his brother and saying OTHERS are wrong he's doing his brother no justice. His brother needs to start dealing with the consequences of his actions, not having enablers like Mike bail him out and make excuses for him.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:43 pm

Yeah cheers to that^^^

However, MV1 having MV2 live with him is like asking Rick Neuheisel and Gary Barnett to teach us how to run a CFB team.

These problems will continue becaue MV1 will do nothing but foster his brothers already tarnished record.

Shit man, come live with me and what the hell, here is a new caddy for "graduating" college.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:52 pm

mvscal wrote:True, I wouldn't bad mouth family in public, but on the other hand, saying he did nothing wrong is completely idiotic.

What's he supposed to say? I'm sure Mike said what he said in public based on advice from counsel. You certainly don't want one guy saying "not guilty" and his brother saying GUILTY before the court date.

Then again the fact that both Vicks are complete idiots isn't exactly breaking news.

They ain't going to be curing cancer anytime soon. But they played they cards they got into a better paycheck than you or I. Especialy that Ron Mexico dude.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:07 pm

BSmack wrote: What's he supposed to say? I'm sure Mike said what he said in public based on advice from counsel. You certainly don't want one guy saying "not guilty" and his brother saying GUILTY before the court date.

How about, "no comment" for starters. If he was under advice from counsel I'm sure they would have told him to keep his mouth shut.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:06 pm

BSmack wrote:
mvscal wrote:True, I wouldn't bad mouth family in public, but on the other hand, saying he did nothing wrong is completely idiotic.
What's he supposed to say? I'm sure Mike said what he said in public based on advice from counsel. You certainly don't want one guy saying "not guilty" and his brother saying GUILTY before the court date.

Then again the fact that both Vicks are complete idiots isn't exactly breaking news.
They ain't going to be curing cancer anytime soon. But they played they cards they got into a better paycheck than you or I. Especialy that Ron Mexico dude.

Played their cards??? You have to be joking. Its called genetics dude. Let's be real.....if not for sports....Mike Vick would be in jail or a janitor or dead.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:09 pm

T REX wrote:Played their cards??? You have to be joking. Its called genetics dude. Let's be real.....if not for sports....Mike Vick would be in jail or a janitor or dead.

If it wasn't for sports, there is a good chance Vick would be holding down a job somewhere and living a fairly normal life. You cannot play QB in the NFL andf be a total dumbshit. Ask Ryan Leaf if you don't believe me.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:23 pm

Vick doesn't have to use his head the way other QB's do. His mind works one way- Are my receviers open? No- okay then run!

He is not a thinking, defense reading QB like Manning, Brady, Palmer, Roth, etc...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:09 pm

BBMarley wrote:Vick doesn't have to use his head the way other QB's do. His mind works one way- Are my receviers open? No- okay then run!

He is not a thinking, defense reading QB like Manning, Brady, Palmer, Roth, etc...

Nobody is saying Vick is anywhere near the smartest guy in the NFL. But to say he would be a total failure minus his athletic talent is just plain ignorant.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:30 pm

BSmack wrote: Nobody is saying Vick is anywhere near the smartest guy in the NFL. But to say he would be a total failure minus his athletic talent is just plain ignorant.

Have you heard him in an interview? His grammer and language is attrocious, and he seems dumb as a bag of hammers every time I listen to him.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:20 pm

When the truth comes out...........

Yeah, when folks go to that card it normally works out well for 'em.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:25 pm

Pull your head out Bri. If Vick wasn't in the NFL, he'd be no different than the street romaing wannabe thug brown bagging a 40.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:13 pm

I know the NFL forum isn't the place for this, BUT this:

BBMarley wrote:His grammer and language is attrocious

Is just plain awesome.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:23 pm

Dinsdale wrote:I know the NFL forum isn't the place for this, BUT this:

BBMarley wrote:His grammer and language is attrocious
Is just plain awesome.

I didn't say anything about his spelling... :D

Typing at work- too quick.

Is this better- "Grammar and language is atrocious"

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:25 pm

Keep in mind Philly fan is one step above caveman. Not a bad effort BB.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:25 pm

DallasFanatic wrote:Pull your head out Bri. If Vick wasn't in the NFL, he'd be no different than the street romaing wannabe thug brown bagging a 40.

And you know that how?

Nobody is saying that Vick would win a Nobel Prize. I'm just saying that a guy with the kind of instinct Mike Vick has can certainly make his way in this world. That fact that his athletic talent has dominated his life simply means that he hasn't had the need to develop any other gifts. But that doesn't mean that those gifts aren't there.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:28 pm

Dinsdale wrote:I know the NFL forum isn't the place for this, BUT this:

BBMarley wrote:His grammer and language is attrocious
Is just plain awesome.

Almost as awesome as the time that I wrote that I had an ascerbic wit.

Still haven't lived that one down.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:33 pm

BBMarley wrote: Typing at work- too quick.

I think the word you're looking for is "quickly."

Is this better- "Grammar and language is atrocious"

No. Grammar is part of "language," which obviously makes this a redundant statement, which by definition is bad "grammer."

Do us both a favor, and don't ever criticize anyone else's use of English again, mkay?

And since this makes 2 off-topic posts, I guess I owe -- Marcus Vick has been an idiot since he first took the field at VT. His current problems shouldn't be a suprise to anyone.

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:43 pm

War Wagon wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:I know the NFL forum isn't the place for this, BUT this:

BBMarley wrote:His grammer and language is attrocious
Is just plain awesome.
Almost as awesome as the time that I wrote that I had an ascerbic wit.

Still haven't lived that one down.

You are one pathetic loser.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:49 am

So what's it feel like to know that a pathetic loser could turn you inside out and punt your sloped forehead of a posting ass into next August?

You come in here all full of yourself and in less than a months time think you've got it all figured out.

I've got news for you, slappy. You haven't earned one fucking stripe, troll or not.

Go scrub the shithouse with a soft bristled toothbrush for the next 6 months, and then I might acknowledge that you're anything other than a pair of shit-stained underwear.

Dumbass · Post by **Dumbass** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:41 am

Yup, you can't be selling out your friends and family BSmack.

:wink:

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:43 am

War Wagon wrote:So what's it feel like to know that a pathetic loser could turn you inside out and punt your sloped forehead of a posting ass into next August?

Huh?

You come in here all full of yourself and in less than a months time think you've got it all figured out.

I've figured out that many people here think you're an idiot.

I've got news for you, slappy. You haven't earned one fucking stripe, troll or not.

Slappy?? You've GOT to be kidding me. If I met you, I would kick your bumpkin ass just for saying something that GAY to me, dude.

Go scrub the shithouse with a soft bristled toothbrush for the next 6 months, and then I might acknowledge that you're anything other than a pair of shit-stained underwear.

Yeah, maybe next time you won't waste your precious time trying to one-up me. Ooooooh, I'm scared.

Pussy.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:55 am

Dumbass wrote:Yup, you can't be selling out your friends and family BSmack.

:wink:

That would be funny if it were even slightly contextually relevant. There is a BIG difference between FRIEND and FAMILY.

pssst, Dins, notice the subjunctive tense used properly?

Cueball · Post by **Cueball** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:03 am

BSmack wrote:
T REX wrote:Played their cards??? You have to be joking. Its called genetics dude. Let's be real.....if not for sports....Mike Vick would be in jail or a janitor or dead.
If it wasn't for sports, there is a good chance Vick would be holding down a job somewhere and living a fairly normal life. You cannot play QB in the NFL andf be a total dumbshit. Ask Ryan Leaf if you don't believe me.

I tried to ask Ryan, but his manager was looking over his shoulder. He did talk me into donating $2 to the Jimmy Fund and gave me a card for $1 off all my value meals at Taco Bell. Sadly, I think even Marcus would screw up a gig at KFC or Popeye's. Eyes on the fries my man, eyes on the fries.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:06 pm

rozy wrote:subjunctive

WhoaWhoaWhoa. Save that shit for velo.

For the bystanders, the Rozmeister is aware of one of my linguistic pet peeves.

As penance for his sins, I politely request that BBMarley vow to never use the word "than" immediately after the word "different." All will be forgiven.

I really don't care about the spelling/grammar stuff all that much, except when somebody uses some seriously butcherd English when running their grammar/spelling/language/education smack, which to me is the very height of kicking one's own ass. Other than that, it really doesn't matter...except when someone uses "different than"...that one just irks me for some reason. I suppose it's better than "different then," but only marginally.

And I'm sure after all that, my post is bound to be laced with spelling and grammar errors o'plenty. Oh well.

Anyhoo, what GM in their right mind would want to take a chance on Marcus? Maybe with their 453rd round pick, but other than that, I'd much rather gamble on an offensive lineman, rather than waste a minute on a waste of skin. We all make "youthful indescretions," but that excuse only goes so far. If one keeps fucking up over and over and over, it's no longer commiting indescretions -- it's showing a pattern for being a fucking idiot. And I think Junior Vick has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he's a fucking idiot. He seems to be under the impression that the world owes him a football career, regardless of what he does....based upon the fact his brother is a good baller, I guess. And if the guy has this arrogance that he doesn't need to play by the same rules as everyone else, why would anyone believe that his attitude will change any when he gets to the NFL? And even it he had the potential to straighten up and fly right, if YOU were an NFL GM or owner, would YOU want to gamble your cash on him in this era of salary-cap ball? Me neither.

Hey Marcus -- I hope the partying and thugging was worth a few million dollars to you, since more than likely, that's what it cost you. Freaking tard.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:54 pm

Dinsdale wrote:And I'm sure after all that, my post is bound to be laced with spelling and grammar errors o'plenty. Oh well.

See -- even when I KMOA, I still get BODE. I'm kinda clever like that.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:11 pm

BSmack wrote:
DallasFanatic wrote:Pull your head out Bri. If Vick wasn't in the NFL, he'd be no different than the street romaing wannabe thug brown bagging a 40.
And you know that how?

Nobody is saying that Vick would win a Nobel Prize. I'm just saying that a guy with the kind of instinct Mike Vick has can certainly make his way in this world. That fact that his athletic talent has dominated his life simply means that he hasn't had the need to develop any other gifts. But that doesn't mean that those gifts aren't there.

Man...I see ya thinking, but honestly, this guy is rainman in pads. He's not very bright. Period. There aren't many decent jobs where you can be an idiot and make it. Not sure why you are defending him(color?) but he would fail at life without sports as a crutch. He was getting into trouble as a youngster. He was lucky.

Sorry man, its harsh reality. Are you trying to validate his existence otherwise? There are many athletes that would be bagging groceries, salting fries, in jail, etc without sports. That's okay, but let's not go overboard and say that they would be doctors and lawyers. They wouldn't. Most are from low-income and low socio-economic backgrounds. Sports is an escape for many out of their hard lives. Where many of us get pissed off is when they take those opportunities for granted and do stupid shit. Many do not get those chances and the gifted ones should recognize what they have been given. Too many people are afraid of truths.....PC or non-PC. Fuck that.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:20 pm

T REX wrote:Man...I see ya thinking, but honestly, this guy is rainman in pads. He's not very bright. Period. There aren't many decent jobs where you can be an idiot and make it. Not sure why you are defending him(color?) but he would fail at life without sports as a crutch. He was getting into trouble as a youngster. He was lucky.

Sorry man, its harsh reality. Are you trying to validate his existence otherwise? There are many athletes that would be bagging groceries, salting fries, in jail, etc without sports. That's okay, but let's not go overboard and say that they would be doctors and lawyers. They wouldn't. Most are from low-income and low socio-economic backgrounds. Sports is an escape for many out of their hard lives. Where many of us get pissed off is when they take those opportunities for granted and do stupid shit. Many do not get those chances and the gifted ones should recognize what they have been given. Too many people are afraid of truths.....PC or non-PC. Fuck that.

This isn't a PC thing. I have a stepbrother who was horrible in school. He barely got out of some classes with Ds and his overall GPA was a little less than C. But he applied himself when he got out of school and now dude makes more money than the rest of my brothers and I combined.

Mike Vick may be rainman in pads, but he's obviously had to work to get where he is. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY starts at QB in the NFL without that ability to work hard at their job. You may be able to skate as a dumbfuck at nose tackle or Falconback (sup DT?), but not under center as a QB. And if Mike Vick is as dumb as you say he is, that means he's had to work TWICE as hard just to gain a minimal understanding of his responsibilities under center. That ability to work is just as much a marketable commodity in this job market as anything he could have learned in college.

Of course, this is all supposition. But to say that Vick would have been a junkie or a street person had it not been for football is not borne out by the facts at hand.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:27 pm

I disagree. Like those with gifted athletic ability, so are those born with higher intelligence. Listen, some just have it.....and well.....some don't. He doesn't. You can go and see any interview with him. He's pretty bad. And if it is your claim that physical ability isn't FIRST and foremost what teams are looking for THEN brains then I can't help you. You haven't a clue.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:29 pm

BSmack wrote: You may be able to skate as a dumbfuck at nose tackle or Falconback (sup DT?), but not under center as a QB. And if Mike Vick is as dumb as you say he is, that means he's had to work TWICE as hard just to gain a minimal understanding of his responsibilities under center

Bullshit. When you have the ability to be as fast as Vick, to have the arm strength as Vick but have the mental capacity of a rock you can usually have a successful team if you build a good defense around him to pad his success.

Sinc-

Randall Cunningham

* and please point out where Vick has gained a minimial understanding of his responsibilities under center. Matt Shaub looked like he understood what his responsibilies were as a QB when he played the Patriots more than Vick ever has.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:58 pm

jiminphilly wrote:* and please point out where Vick has gained a minimial understanding of his responsibilities under center. Matt Shaub looked like he understood what his responsibilies were as a QB when he played the Patriots more than Vick ever has.

Like it or not, Vick did make the Pro Bowl. I'd say that demostrates *minimal understanding* at the very least.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:38 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:* and please point out where Vick has gained a minimial understanding of his responsibilities under center. Matt Shaub looked like he understood what his responsibilies were as a QB when he played the Patriots more than Vick ever has.
Like it or not, Vick did make the Pro Bowl. I'd say that demostrates *minimal understanding* at the very least.
The only thing it demonstrates is that McNabb and Culpepper got hurt.

So what about the other 13 starting QBs in the NFC?

Again, the guy made the PRO BOWL.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:47 pm

He made the Pro Bowl b/c most NFL fans dont know their ass from a hole in the wall. Plus, most of the players are boys w/ him and they get a third of the vote. Eli or Brunell should have been there instead fo him.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:54 pm

BSmack wrote:
mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote: Like it or not, Vick did make the Pro Bowl. I'd say that demostrates *minimal understanding* at the very least.
The only thing it demonstrates is that McNabb and Culpepper got hurt.
So what about the other 13 starting QBs in the NFC?

Again, the guy made the PRO BOWL.

You're an even bigger idiot than I thought if you put much weight behind a pro-bowl selection. Fans and players get 1/3 of the vote each. You don't think popularity, homerism and the mere fact that some players league wide might be friends/boys with him and might vote for him?

Chad Lewis has gone to a few pro-bowls because he's Andy Reid's boy and he holds the ball for Akers during PAT's. You don't think the same type of shit goes on in terms of favors when the players vote?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:58 pm

Cicero wrote:He made the Pro Bowl b/c most NFL fans dont know their ass from a hole in the wall. Plus, most of the players are boys w/ him and they get a third of the vote. Eli or Brunell should have been there instead fo him.

You can make an argument for Brunell, but Manning and his 52% completion rate and his 17 INTs don't belong anywhere near a Pro Bowl.