Yet another reason to laugh at Texas A&M

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:20 pm

It seems as if the Texas A&M honks have a problem with the Seahawks calling their fans their 12th man.

WTF????

This is just as funny as Florida State going after the Braves and the Chiefs a while back for their use of the Tommahawk Chop. I mean really. A&M fans crawl out from their rock to watch the NFL playoffs and then write the school AD about how "upset" they are that someone is using "their" tradition?

Yea, the words get a life come to mind. As do the words get over it. The concept of the fans of a football team being the "12th man" is ingrained in the language. It is not exclusive to some backwater tank town in the middle of east bumfuck Texas.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11075105/

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:28 pm

mvscal wrote:But if you take that from them they'll be left with nothing...

What? No bonfire?

What am I saying? Next thing you know these freaks will want to copyright pep rallies and bonfires. From now on, when you want to burn an opposing player in effigy, you will have to pay royalties to Texas A&M.

Cueball · Post by **Cueball** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:30 pm

A&M can have the Twelf Man, aaiight? Them mvscal's be trippin'

UCant Unretires Again · Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:35 pm

BSmack wrote:Next thing you know these freaks will want to copyright pep rallies and bonfires

No, no... not all bonfires. They have exclusive rights to ones that result in 12 deaths. That's all.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:40 pm

UCant Unretires Again wrote:
BSmack wrote:Next thing you know these freaks will want to copyright pep rallies and bonfires
No, no... not all bonfires. They have exclusive rights to ones that result in 12 deaths. That's all.

I was in College Station the year of the bonfire collapse. I remember seeing the then half built 40 foot high stack of trees and telephone poles and thinking how amazing it was that a bunch of drunk college kids could build something like that without getting themselves killed.

I guess I was wrong.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:28 pm

Texas A&M didn't invent the 12th/6th Man thing, did they? What are they bitchin' about...it's just a generic term for a home field advantage. Get over it...

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:46 pm

Texas A&M: Home of the truly inconsequential.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:22 pm

Shoalzie wrote:Texas A&M didn't invent the 12th/6th Man thing, did they?

Yeah, as a matter of fact, they did.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:29 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:Texas A&M didn't invent the 12th/6th Man thing, did they?
Yeah, as a matter of fact, they did.

alright.....proof....i would love to hear THEIR story

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:46 pm

T REX wrote: alright.....proof

Do your own homework.

If you can find an example of the term "the 12th man" used before January 2nd, 1922, then consider it disproved.

Although I'm pretty fucking sure that A&M's lawyers are probably a little better at doing research than you are, but this is a pretty simple task.

And through all of this, nevermind the fact that "The 12th Man" is a registered trademark of Texas A&M University.

As a person who is quite familiar with Chickensfan, it would suprise me if this lot DIDN'T get national attention for being the biggest bunch of fairweather gravytrainers on the planet during a playoff run. The first game ever played in their new building featured a whole slew of empty seats...fine bunch of "12th men" they have there. The hype about the rabid fans of the Seahawks, and Seattle fans in general, is just that -- hype. If their team doesn't have the best record in whatever division of whatever sport, chances are someone will just about give you a ticket, since Seattle fan doesn't even know their team's name until the newscasters bring it up that they're doing well. But then again, nobody who lives in Seattle is from Seattle, so it's understandable, I guess -- if someone gravytrains a city to try and be cool, it's not much of a stretch to gravytrain the associated teams.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:58 pm

Dinsdale wrote:And through all of this, nevermind the fact that "The 12th Man" is a registered trademark of Texas A&M University.

If that's true, I can see A&M having a beef but the term 12th Man is used often in a broadcast to describe the home crowd. If they in fact did come up with the term, they hold the right file a grievance if someone else uses it.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:43 pm

Dinsdale wrote:And through all of this, nevermind the fact that "The 12th Man" is a registered trademark of Texas A&M University.

The trademark was registered in 1990, not 1922. By 1990 the phrase had already long entered into public use. Therefore, if I were Paul Allen, I would tell the Aggies to build a bonfire or lose to the Longhorns or whatever those people do.

Dumbass · Post by **Dumbass** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:47 pm

Bonfires Of Death and lawsuits over terms generated from the sports WE ALL enjoy.

Does Texas now understand why Californians call it just another shit hole with nothing better to do than find better ways to waste one's time?

That's a rrrreal good time. Cheeeeeyu!

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:23 pm

BSmack wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:And through all of this, nevermind the fact that "The 12th Man" is a registered trademark of Texas A&M University.
The trademark was registered in 1990, not 1922. By 1990 the phrase had already long entered into public use. Therefore, if I were Paul Allen, I would tell the Aggies to build a bonfire or lose to the Longhorns or whatever those people do.

If you were Paul Allen, you'd still be infringing on a registered Trademark. What part of ™ don't you understand?

There's a difference between "Fair Use" and pimping gear using a registered Trademark. A&M has contacted the Bills, and the Bears in the past about the same issue, and they complied. The Aggies being a bunch of inbred fuckwits does not exclude them from equal protection under the law, which, and follow me here, includes not using their registered ™ on for profit merchandise.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:30 pm

Headhunter wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:And through all of this, nevermind the fact that "The 12th Man" is a registered trademark of Texas A&M University.
The trademark was registered in 1990, not 1922. By 1990 the phrase had already long entered into public use. Therefore, if I were Paul Allen, I would tell the Aggies to build a bonfire or lose to the Longhorns or whatever those people do.
If you were Paul Allen, you'd still be infringing on a registered Trademark. What part of ™ don't you understand?

There's a difference between "Fair Use" and pimping gear using a registered Trademark. A&M has contacted the Bills, and the Bears in the past about the same issue, and they complied. The Aggies being a bunch of inbred fuckwits does not exclude them from equal protection under the law, which, and follow me here, includes not using their registered ™ on for profit merchandise.

The Bills complied?

http://www.buffalobills.com/community/1 ... ofFame.jsp

http://www.buffalobills.com/index2.html

http://www.buffalobills.com/history/Wal ... 2thMan.jsp

More like the Bills told the Aggies to go fuck themselves.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:32 pm

T REX wrote:alright.....proof....i would love to hear THEIR story

You guys are fucking idiots. The 12th man stands for a lot more than home-field advantage. I am no aggie fan, in fact I find them quite annoying but they have a lot more history at stake here than the seachickens.

Here is the story:

The tradition of the Twelfth Man was born on the second of January 1922, when an underdog Aggie team was playing Centre College, then the nation's top ranked team. As the hard fought game wore on, and the Aggies dug deeply into their limited reserves, Coach Dana X. Bible remembered a squad man who was not in uniform. He had been up in the press box helping reporters identify players. His name was E. King Gill, and was a former football player who was only playing basketball. Gill was called from the stands, suited up, and stood ready throughout the rest of the game, which A&M finally won 22-14. When the game ended, E. King Gill was the only man left standing on the sidelines for the Aggies. Gill later said, "I wish I could say that I went in and ran for the winning touchdown, but I did not. I simply stood by in case my team needed me."

This gesture was more than enough for the Aggie Team. Although Gill did not play in the game, he had accepted the call to help his team. He came to be thought of as the Twelfth Man because he stood ready for duty in the event that the eleven men on the gridiron needed assistance. That spirit of readiness for service, desire to support, and enthusiasm helped kindle a flame of devotion among the entire student body; a spirit that has grown vigorously throughout the years. The entire student body at A&M is the Twelfth Man, and they stand during the entire game to show their support. The 12th Man is always in the stands waiting to be called upon if they are needed.

This tradition took on a new look in the 1980's when Coach Jackie Sherrill started the 12th Man Kick-Off Team composed of regular students through open tryouts. This 12th Man team performed very well and held opponents to one of the lowest yards per return averages in the league. Later, Head Coach R.C. Slocum changed the team to allow only one representative of the 12th Man on the kick off team. The 12th Man tradition also took musical form. The 12th Man sings this song after each game in which the Aggies are outscored.

Just slightly more important than a bunch of microsoft/nike weenies with their flavor of the month.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:36 pm

Sky wrote:
T REX wrote:alright.....proof....i would love to hear THEIR story
You guys are fucking idiots. The 12th man stands for a lot more than home-field advantage. I am no aggie fan, in fact I find them quite annoying but they have a lot more history at stake here than the seachickens.

Just slightly more important than a bunch of microsoft/nike weenies with their flavor of the month.

So what? They didn't trademark the term until 1990. By that time, the term had come into general use.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:42 pm

Headhunter wrote:If you were Paul Allen, you'd still be infringing on a registered Trademark. What part of ™ don't you understand?

There's a difference between "Fair Use" and pimping gear using a registered Trademark. A&M has contacted the Bills, and the Bears in the past about the same issue, and they complied. The Aggies being a bunch of inbred fuckwits does not exclude them from equal protection under the law, which, and follow me here, includes not using their registered ™ on for profit merchandise.

But that's where things get tricky -- the Chickens have had a "12th man" jersey hanging in the rafters and have been using the term for over 20 years now...hence, the legal debate.

Sky wrote: Just slightly more important than a bunch of microsoft/nike weenies with their flavor of the month.

I was just kind of curious as to what Nike had to do with any of this?

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:57 pm

Oh yeah, not Seattle, Portland.................ah well, they are weenies as well, just not in this sense. Thanks for pointing that out.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:01 pm

The Jersey has a number 12 on it, and is not sold in the fucking gift shop with the term "12th man" on it. The debate is not over somebody using the term 12th man. It's selling merchandise with the 12th man term on it. Which is a direct challenge to the ™ owned by the Aggies, which does put the purveyors of such wares in an actionable position whether BSmack likes it or not!

Dumbass · Post by **Dumbass** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:12 pm

I got 'em boys, just around the corner. There are two, no three suspects selling Seahawks Shirts at the corner of Opium and Jihad.

Tell A & M not worry, we will protect their rights to the death.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:02 pm

Headhunter wrote:The Jersey has a number 12 on it, and is not sold in the fucking gift shop with the term "12th man" on it. The debate is not over somebody using the term 12th man. It's selling merchandise with the 12th man term on it. Which is a direct challenge to the ™ owned by the Aggies, which does put the purveyors of such wares in an actionable position whether BSmack likes it or not!

I went here...

http://www.seahawks.com/proshop/default.asp

Didn't see a single 12th man product offered for sale.

They be trippin down in College Station.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:32 pm

I say they settle it with duelling pistols...ALL of them.

To see anyone associated with Evil Allen or the Gravytrain Nation that is Seattlefan, killing anyone associated with ANY Texas team...well, that would be a real sports fan's dream come true.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:40 pm

Dinsdale wrote: As a person who is quite familiar with Chickensfan, it would suprise me if this lot DIDN'T get national attention for being the biggest bunch of fairweather gravytrainers on the planet during a playoff run. The first game ever played in their new building featured a whole slew of empty seats...fine bunch of "12th men" they have there. The hype about the rabid fans of the Seahawks, and Seattle fans in general, is just that -- hype.

Yes, but let's not forget that they also have the loudest stadium in the NFL.

Or so said Fox Sports.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:11 pm

War Wagon wrote: Or so said Fox Sports.

FOX is just as big a bunch of gravytrianers as Chickens fans are, remember that.

Frankly, Seattle is the only place I've ever seen an NFL game, so I don't really have any perspective from which to judge. But I will say that every college stadium I've been to is MUCH louder than any Chickens game I've been to, and I'd almost dare to say my high school stadium was louder. And when the Trailblazers played in the ol=d Glass Palace -- forgettabout it...no comparison, although indoor/outdoor is something like apples/oranges, but there's 6 times as many people at a Hawks game.

But the first game ever at Seahawk Stadium...that's right, the very first one ever played, so you'd think that Seahawks fan would be excited...you could hear a pin drop, except for maybe when Maurice Morris QQMFed a TD. Then again, the place was half-empty... for the inagural game* in theor new building -- tells you about all you need to know about Seahawks "fan."

* - They got blown off the field by the freaking Cardinals-btw. How bad did that suck...set up a game with the perrenial patsy to christen your new house, and let them blow you out...BWAHAHAHA

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:43 pm

War Wagon wrote:Yes, but let's not forget that they also have the loudest stadium in the NFL.

Or so said Fox Sports.

Yeah, and on the rare occasion when a Fox crew does a game at Arrowhead, everyone knows that's really the loudest stadium.

At least according to Fox.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:52 pm

RadioFan wrote: Yeah, and on the rare occasion when a Fox crew does a game at Arrowhead, everyone knows that's really the loudest stadium.

That's common knowledge, RF.

Tell me you knew. :)

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:59 pm

Dumbass wrote:Bonfires Of Death and lawsuits over terms generated from the sports WE ALL enjoy.

Does Texas now understand why Californians call it just another shit hole with nothing better to do than find better ways to waste one's time?

That's a rrrreal good time. Cheeeeeyu!

Can we assume this picture was a Freudian slip of sorts?

After all its a Longhorn kicking some ass...

Rose Bowl. Scoreboard.

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:00 am

Arrowhead owns, no denying it.

Another loud-ass stadium: Baltimore.

Seattle is a faggot football town.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:02 am

War Wagon wrote:That's common knowledge, RF.

Tell me you knew. :)

Hell yes. Just taking a swipe at the "insight" at Fox. Most of their "experts" are assclowns incarnate.

Dumbass · Post by **Dumbass** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:12 am

Not every one at SC was disappointed, Neck.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:41 am

Bwahh..nice one.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:17 am

Duanes' been on a roll lately.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:40 am

WhatsMyName wrote:Seattle is a faggot football town.

No way, dude. They brought us "the wave," the most superlatively hetereosexual move EVAR.

What sort of faggot comes up with a crowd-move that results in an average of 500 gallons of beer being spilled? Husky faggot, that's who.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:40 pm

BSmack wrote:
Headhunter wrote:The Jersey has a number 12 on it, and is not sold in the fucking gift shop with the term "12th man" on it. The debate is not over somebody using the term 12th man. It's selling merchandise with the 12th man term on it. Which is a direct challenge to the ™ owned by the Aggies, which does put the purveyors of such wares in an actionable position whether BSmack likes it or not!
I went here...

http://www.seahawks.com/proshop/default.asp

Didn't see a single 12th man product offered for sale.

They be trippin down in College Station.

It's my understanding that A&M is doing this preemtively. Kind of like putting their flag in the ground saying "Just so you know..."

It's all about the $. A&M is putting itself in a position that says they gave fair warning. If they do start plastering 12th Man on merchandise, A&M will use their "fair warning" as leverage in any lawsuit they may file for monetary royalties.

blahblahblah....this is one of the bigger non-issues I've read on these boards.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:42 pm

Oh yeah, also they fly a 12th Man flag at Qwest. Been doing it for years I believe, but that is a nother point of contention.

Once again, if Church's puts a "finger lickin good" sign out front, even though they aren't selling said sign, they are breaking the law.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:12 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:It's my understanding that A&M is doing this preemtively. Kind of like putting their flag in the ground saying "Just so you know..."

It's all about the $. A&M is putting itself in a position that says they gave fair warning. If they do start plastering 12th Man on merchandise, A&M will use their "fair warning" as leverage in any lawsuit they may file for monetary royalties.

blahblahblah....this is one of the bigger non-issues I've read on these boards.

It's a joke is what it is. Aggie alums calling up the AD complaining about the use of "their" slogan" is nothing short of fucking hilarious. Even more hilarious is the Aggie AD taking these nutcases seriously.

BTW: The Seahawks were flying their flag before A&M ever filed for their trademark.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:09 pm

Wow, I had no idea you were an expert in all things NFL related. What would we do without your profound posts.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:25 pm

BSmack wrote:BTW: The Seahawks were flying their flag before A&M ever filed for their trademark.

And if two drug companies make the same product and one gets to the patent office first, not to mention the company that made it first, what happens?

You can call it stupid all you want. It's your opinion. Opinions generally don't hold up against law in court. Keep reeling though. :roll:

Moorese · Post by **Moorese** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:27 pm