Was This The Worst Winning QB Performance?

See You Next Wednesday · Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:16 pm

9 for 21, 123 yards, 2 picks, no passing TDs, 1 sack for an 8 yard loss.

Is there a worse performance by a Super Bowl winning QB?

I'm honestly asking.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:21 pm

I think Roethlisberger has the lowest QB rating by a winning SB QB , somewhere around 22.5 .

Which means he sucked overall . But he made the big plays when it counted .

Rack him . The Steelers have something special on thier hands .

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:22 pm

drummer wrote:I think Roethlisberger has the lowest QB rating by a winning SB QB , somewhere around 22.5 .

Which means he sucked overall . But he made the big plays when it counted .

Rack him . The Steelers have something special on thier hands .

He didn't make the big play- it was Randel El

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:26 pm

BBMarley wrote:
drummer wrote:I think Roethlisberger has the lowest QB rating by a winning SB QB , somewhere around 22.5 .

Which means he sucked overall . But he made the big plays when it counted .

Rack him . The Steelers have something special on thier hands .
He didn't make the big play- it was Randel El

He made some plays with his feet in the 4th , and that scramble pass to Ward was nails , even though they called the wrong play IMO on 3rd and goal that turned into an INT . They should have stayed on the ground , and at least kicked a FG .

Flawed Logic · Post by **Flawed Logic** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:57 pm

He beat Elway's record for lowest QB Rating for a winner.

UN-RACK the two players who booted Raiders out of the record book! Tony Parker edged out Marcus Allen's 74-yard rush against the 'Skins and damn that Kelly Herndon for his 76-yard interception which broke Willie Brown's record 75-yard return in Super Bowl XI. I've seen that return by Brown a million times on NFL Films presentations. Hate to see it broken but that's the way it goes.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:49 am

drummer wrote:
BBMarley wrote:
drummer wrote:I think Roethlisberger has the lowest QB rating by a winning SB QB , somewhere around 22.5 .

Which means he sucked overall . But he made the big plays when it counted .

Rack him . The Steelers have something special on thier hands .
He didn't make the big play- it was Randel El
He made some plays with his feet in the 4th , and that scramble pass to Ward was nails , even though they called the wrong play IMO on 3rd and goal that turned into an INT . They should have stayed on the ground , and at least kicked a FG .

Bullshit. It was a good call. Dude was wide open. Big Ben just made the worst throw since Neil O'Donnell's brilliant SB appearance. If Ben lobs that throw, it's 6 points.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:37 am

smackaholic wrote:
drummer wrote:
BBMarley wrote: He didn't make the big play- it was Randel El
He made some plays with his feet in the 4th , and that scramble pass to Ward was nails , even though they called the wrong play IMO on 3rd and goal that turned into an INT . They should have stayed on the ground , and at least kicked a FG .
Bullshit. It was a good call. Dude was wide open. Big Ben just made the worst throw since Neil O'Donnell's brilliant SB appearance. If Ben lobs that throw, it's 6 points.

From what I saw , the defender was a lot bigger than the intended reciever , so the matchup didn't favor the offense , and those kind of patterns are ripe for a defensive return for a TD ( see Brady vs. Denver in the playoffs ) . Now , figure in your second year QB who was shaky and not moving the offense well , and you call that play ?

Well , it didn't work , did it ?

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:50 am

Roethlisberger looked god awful throwing the ball. Even Trent Dilfer outplayed him, and badly too. I've seen losing QBs (Jake Delhomme comes to mind) completely annihilate Big Ben in losing efforts. So yes, this is the worst QB performance by a winning QB ever. His runs saved his ass, as did Hines Ward on Ben's Plummeresque hail mary.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:19 am

Ben did just enough to win the game. Would I have liked to seen him play even better? Hell yea. But the end result worked out just fine.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:17 am

BSmack wrote:Ben did just enough to win the game. Would I have liked to seen him play even better? Hell yea. But the end result worked out just fine.

Jesus B- can't you admit he sucked donkey dick in this game? The TEAM did enough to win.. other than completion to Ward- he was attorcious throwing the ball. He was going against the 25th ranked secondary in the league without their starting saftey for more than half the game and he mustered a whole 22 for a passer rating. And lets be honest- Wistrom doesn't slip chasing him, Ben doesn't have forever to set up for that throw- and he finishes with a below 15 passer rating.

I was a little off in the other thread calling him an all the time big game choker- not enough evidence of that yet. But he did choke in this one- big time. Seattle's fuck ups, as well as other things, saved Pitt.

Rack your boys for getting it done- but come on man....

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:32 am

My point about Roth is this :

He gets thrown in as a starter as a rookie his first year , doesn't lose a game until the AFC Championship , promises Bettis to get him to the Big Dance if Bettis stays , and helps get them to the Big Dance through the playoffs on the road 3 straight . Now he has a ring , even though he had a shaky game .

Roth is just getting started IMO .

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:38 am

drummer wrote:My point about Roth is this :

He gets thrown in as a starter as a rookie his first year , doesn't lose a game until the AFC Championship , .

He was also lucky enough to start on a team with a solid running game and one hell of a defense. Put him as starting for the Niners last year- and no one is really talking about Big Ben that much....

Kid has talent- don't get me wrong. But he had a huge advantage over most QB asked to start their rookie year

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:51 am

BBMarley wrote:
drummer wrote:My point about Roth is this :

He gets thrown in as a starter as a rookie his first year , doesn't lose a game until the AFC Championship , .
He was also lucky enough to start on a team with a solid running game and one hell of a defense. Put him as starting for the Niners last year- and no one is really talking about Big Ben that much....

True , but like the saying goes , " as long as doesn't lose games for the team[/i] " ....

Hell , Brady had a great team around him too when he won his first one , and he had a whole year behind Bledsoe before he became the starter .

All I can say is , Roth has a whole lot of football left in front of him .

You can put a lot of Vet QB's behind the Niners now , and they would play better than Smith , but they won't go to the playoffs either . It wasn't like the old days , where backups like Bono and Grbac looked great running the offense .

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:57 pm

BBMarley wrote:Jesus B- can't you admit he sucked donkey dick in this game?

He won the Super Bowl. I'll leave it to Peyton Manning to tell the world if he sucked.

UCant Unretires Again · Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:12 pm

BSmack wrote:He won the Super Bowl.

Did you see Letterman last night where dude flat out admitted he didn't break the plane on the controversial TD?

RACK the Steelers for beating Indy in a game that looked like it was fixed. UNRACK their horrible performance Sunday where they won despite having a shit QB, a shit game plan, and a shit defense. The fix was in. It was the Soviets beating the U.S. in the 72 Olympics all over again. It was Barry Bonds' HR record. It was Palomalu's INT being overturned. It was Samuel's interference call. It was worse than your best post ever. It was shit. It was despicable.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:08 pm

UCant Unretires Again wrote:Did you see Letterman last night where dude flat out admitted he didn't break the plane on the controversial TD?

I don't watch Letterman. I leave that to homos like you.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:18 pm

Flawed Logic wrote:UN-RACK the two players who booted Raiders out of the record book! Tony Parker edged out Marcus Allen's 74-yard rush against the 'Skins and damn that Kelly Herndon for his 76-yard interception which broke Willie Brown's record 75-yard return in Super Bowl XI.

Best 2 way player since Bo.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:18 pm

BSmack wrote:
He won the Super Bowl.

He did our his team did?

He turned the ball over twice, one that led to eventually led to a TD by seattle. His stat line included a TD that may or may not have even happened.

The 2 big plays in the game came on on run by Parker who ran through a whole the size of Cinder's gash and a pass play by Randal El.

The play that enabled the Roeth to even attempt the run for the td was on a cross field pass play that was extremely dangerous in which Ward made a better catch (positioning) than Roeth did a throw.

Had the Pitt defense not put the clamps down on the Seattle offense whenever they crossed the 50, there was a good chance the Seahawks would have won this game.

No one is taking anything away from the Steelers team when they say Roeth had a terrible game. He didn't do enough for the Steelers to win, he just didn't enough to make it harder for the Steelers to win.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:19 pm

Cicero wrote:
Flawed Logic wrote:UN-RACK the two players who booted Raiders out of the record book! Tony Parker edged out Marcus Allen's 74-yard rush against the 'Skins and damn that Kelly Herndon for his 76-yard interception which broke Willie Brown's record 75-yard return in Super Bowl XI.

Best 2 way player since Bo.

I must be getting punchy as this did make me laugh.

UCant Unretires Again · Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:27 pm

BSmack wrote:I don't watch Letterman. I leave that to homos like you.

I see... so... neither of us witnessed it... so it didn't happen?

Btw -- I agree about Letterman being a faggoty show. I mean, faggots getting a shave from another man? Very, very gay....

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:40 pm

UCant Unretires Again wrote:
BSmack wrote:I don't watch Letterman. I leave that to homos like you.
I see... so... neither of us witnessed it... so it didn't happen?

Btw -- I agree about Letterman being a faggoty show. I mean, faggots getting a shave from another man? Very, very gay....

I can't stand Letterman.. so I didn't see it. What exactly did he say?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:42 pm

BBMarley wrote:
UCant Unretires Again wrote:
BSmack wrote:I don't watch Letterman. I leave that to homos like you.
I see... so... neither of us witnessed it... so it didn't happen?

Btw -- I agree about Letterman being a faggoty show. I mean, faggots getting a shave from another man? Very, very gay....
I can't stand Letterman.. so I didn't see it. What exactly did he say?

Nobody saw it.

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UCant Unretires Again · Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:49 pm

BBMarley wrote:I can't stand Letterman.. so I didn't see it. What exactly did he say?

You must have a very short commute to work, or you're jobless like BitchSmacked. It's been all over sports talk radio this morning.

He said he didn't get in... he told Cowher he didn't get in, and while it was being reviewed, he was begging Cowher to go for it on 4th down.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:52 pm

UCant Unretires Again wrote:
BBMarley wrote:I can't stand Letterman.. so I didn't see it. What exactly did he say?
You must have a very short commute to work, or you're jobless like BitchSmacked. It's been all over sports talk radio this morning.

He said he didn't get in... he told Cowher he didn't get in, and while it was being reviewed, he was begging Cowher to go for it on 4th down.

I don't work Tuesday's.... been home with my daughter all morning.

I guess that's why he pointed to the sky Ah-La James Thrash- thanking God for the refs.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:58 pm

A win is a win...I'd take an ugly title over a pretty defeat.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:05 pm

UCant Unretires Again wrote:You must have a very short commute to work

I listened to Mike and Mike for 30 minutes this morning (my entire commute) and they didn't say a word about it.