If Seattle was in the AFC West...

[BSmack]

...would they have even made the playoffs?

I don't think so.

[Sirfindafold]

nice attempt to deflect your ass-kicking.

carry on.

[T REX]

If Pittsburg didn't have the refs would they have won?

I don't think so.

[BSmack]

What? Too tards unable to stay on topic?

Shocking.

[Dinsdale]

Too tards unable to stay on topic?

Just figured I'd quote that before it got edited.

[BSmack]

Too tards unable to stay on topic?

Just figured I'd quote that before it got edited.

Picking up War Wagon's spell check duities?

[Raydah James]

8766 posts of unreadable horseshit and counting.......

[jiminphilly]

If Pittsburg didn't have the refs would they have won?

Yes. Holmgren would have found a way to fuck up the game. I've said the Refs made mistakes in this game, one that led to 7 points being taken off the boad for Seattle but I still think Seattle's handling of the clock and the dropped passes and the missed field goals had more to do with the loss than the shitty officiating.

[T REX]

Too tards unable to stay on topic?

Just figured I'd quote that before it got edited.

Picking up War Wagon's spell check duities?

Well....calling out someone as "TOO" tards while misspelling TWO is fucking funny. Smacking oneself maybe? I guess I would be defensive if most of the world thought the refs helped my team to a win.

Just three plays alone....the fake TD by Burger - 7 points, the fake PIT on Jackson - 7 points, and the fake holding on the Stephens catch to the one - 7 points

If btard can't see it.......then it must not be true. BS.

[Dinsdale]

the fake holding on the Stephens catch to the one - 7 points

Oh, my.

If the officials hadn't have called that FLAGRANT offense, I doubt I would watch another NFL game as long as I lived, since it would have obviously been rigged.

Put a pic of that one in the rulebook as a textbook example of offensive holding.

[jiminphilly]

Just figured I'd quote that before it got edited.

Picking up War Wagon's spell check duities?

Well....calling out someone as "TOO" tards while misspelling TWO is fucking funny. Smacking oneself maybe? I guess I would be defensive if most of the world thought the refs helped my team to a win.

Just three plays alone....the fake TD by Burger - 7 points, the fake PIT on Jackson - 7 points, and the fake holding on the Stephens catch to the one - 7 points

If btard can't see it.......then it must not be true. BS.

1. The Steelers would have scored if the ref's marked the ball on the 1cm line after Ben got tackled. His name is Bettis and there is no way he'd be denied that endzone.
2. I agree on the Jackson TD.
3. Holding happens on every play. Arguing about holding in the NFL is a complete joke.


Speaking Stephens, you know that one drop was actually a fumble right?

[Sirfindafold]

the fake holding on the Stephens catch to the one - 7 points

Oh, my.

If the officials hadn't have called that FLAGRANT offense, I doubt I would watch another NFL game as long as I lived, since it would have obviously been rigged.

Put a pic of that one in the rulebook as a textbook example of offensive holding.

maybe you can provide one.

[drummer]

...would they have even made the playoffs?

I don't think so.

Yes , they would . I think they would matchup favorably with KC and Denver , and could beat Denver .

Seattle's defense is no joke , especially the front 4 .

[BSmack]

...would they have even made the playoffs?

I don't think so.

Yes , they would . I think they would matchup favorably with KC and Denver , and could beat Denver .

Seattle's defense is no joke , especially the front 4 .

They would have finished behind Denver and San Diego. Assuming old alignments for a second, I'd place the Seahawks ahead of the Raiders and even with KC.

[GrizBearStare]

If Pittsburg didn't have the refs would they have won?

Yes. Holmgren would have found a way to fuck up the game. I've said the Refs made mistakes in this game, one that led to 7 points being taken off the boad for Seattle but I still think Seattle's handling of the clock and the dropped passes and the missed field goals had more to do with the loss than the shitty officiating.

I am a Seahawkfan but am not going to say one word about the refs. Champions don't make excuses. The missed field goal thing is what I will point to as costing the game. No it wouldn't make up for the difference in the final score, but that additional six points would have affected the dynamics of the game. You have to make plays in order to win, and that is IMO the most glaring example from that game of Seattle not executing. And Jerramy Stevens. Fuckers.

[poptart]

What's your point then, Bri....?

That Pittsburgh got all the help it could possibly hope for on Super Sunday and they were still fortunate to get over on what would be a 3rd place AFC west team...?

Time to eject, guy, 'cuz plungers are danglin' from yer ass like ornaments on an Xmas tree.

[BSmack]

What's your point then, Bri....?

That Pittsburgh got all the help it could possibly hope for on Super Sunday and they were still fortunate to get over on what would be a 3rd place AFC west team...?

Got all the help they could get?

What about the Stephens fumble that was blown dead? What about the block in the back that was missed on the "record breaking INT return"?

You call that help?

[UCant Unretires Again]

What about the Stephens fumble that was blown dead?

I don't see how that play could have helped you. The ball was ultimately fumbled out of bounds. Seattle would have retained possession.

We now return to your regularly scheduled pile-on... already in progress.

[BSmack]

What about the Stephens fumble that was blown dead?

I don't see how that play could have helped you. The ball was ultimately fumbled out of bounds. Seattle would have retained possession.

The ball went out of bounds because the Steelers defenders who would have covered it backed off once it was blown dead. If you're going to use the "it was a big play" argument like some have used against Jackson's PI call, then the same logic holds here.

[DallasFanatic]

then the same logic holds here.

Only after you have a couple of "shooters" though.

[BSmack]

then the same logic holds here.

Only after you have a couple of "shooters" though.

Are you hetero? It sure doesn't sound like it.

[Joe in PB]

...would they have even made the playoffs?

I don't think so.

Yes , they would . I think they would matchup favorably with KC and Denver , and could beat Denver .

Seattle's defense is no joke , especially the front 4 .

They would have finished behind Denver and San Diego. Assuming old alignments for a second, I'd place the Seahawks ahead of the Raiders and even with KC.

First of all KC finished 2nd in the division at 10-6, Sd was 3rd at 9-7.

I do think it's a fair question considering Seattle was the best team in the NFC.

I believe Seattle would have been a definite contender, perhaps winning the AFC West. They have one of the best offensive lines in the league, a great RB, very good QB and WR's and an underrated defense.

That puts them ahead of KC (poor D) and SD in my book (poor Oline), and right up there with Denver. The Seahawks were giving the Steelers all they could handle in the 1st half, but poor execution on Special teams (shitty punts into the End zone & missed Fg's), dropped passes and a few bad calls kept the Steelers in the game.

Shit happens and the Steelers put them away.

I thought Seattle was a top 5 team before the Super Bowl and believe that is still a good ranking.

[Dumbass]

If Pittsburg didn't have the refs would they have won?

Yes. Holmgren would have found a way to fuck up the game. I've said the Refs made mistakes in this game, one that led to 7 points being taken off the boad for Seattle but I still think Seattle's handling of the clock and the dropped passes and the missed field goals had more to do with the loss than the shitty officiating.

I am a Seahawkfan but am not going to say one word about the refs. Champions don't make excuses. The missed field goal thing is what I will point to as costing the game. No it wouldn't make up for the difference in the final score, but that additional six points would have affected the dynamics of the game. You have to make plays in order to win, and that is IMO the most glaring example from that game of Seattle not executing. And Jerramy Stevens. Fuckers.

Best receivers in the NFL.

[DallasFanatic]

then the same logic holds here.

Only after you have a couple of "shooters" though.

Are you hetero? It sure doesn't sound like it.

You're the one claiming to drink a couple of "shooters." And it is very plain to see by your love for taking it in the ass in these threads, that you are definitely not hetero.

Continue the ass plungerings. Poor Bitchsmacked just isn't going to get it

[UCant Unretires Again]

The ball went out of bounds because the Steelers defenders who would have covered it.

Just like the Steelers would have scored on 4th and a cunt hair after Roethlisberger was denied entry into the endzone so it didn't matter that they blew the call, right?

How 'bout we let them actually score... for real... and recover the fumble... for real?

[Dinsdale]

I don't see how that play could have helped you. The ball was ultimately fumbled out of bounds. Seattle would have retained possession.

And again I'm left wondering which game some of you were watching.

There was a Pittsburg defender ready to scoop up the ball while it was still at least 2 yards inbounds. He was bending over to pick up the ball when the whistle blew for the 10th time, so he didn't pick it up.

The Steelers definitely got jobbed on a couple of calls, but they managed to get a win out of the deal anyway.

And at the very large party I attended, even the Chickens fans figured that it was coming back for the flagrant block in the back.

[UCant Unretires Again]

There was a Pittsburg defender ready to scoop up the ball while it was still at least 2 yards inbounds. He was bending over to pick up the ball when the whistle blew for the 10th time, so he didn't pick it up.

Well shit... then he most surely would have made the recovery then!!!


Lord knows, all players just dive on the ball and don't try scooping it up on the run and scoring a TD on the play and end up looking like a jackass when they either kick it out of bounds or right to an opposing player. RACK you.

[Dinsdale]

And Seattle would have scored if it weren't for that "phantom" holding call -- you know, that one where a beaten lineman actually wrapped his arm around the neck of the guy who beat him and tackled him from behind, which according to the experts here isn't a foul.

And if that dirty Steeler wouldn't have had the nerve to block on that INT return, then Choklebeck could have made the tackle and wouldn't have been flagged for taking out a blocker's knees.

And if that damn judge wasn't standing right on the goal line, watching the ball break the plane...what could have been.

And if there was 90,000,000 people in the country that would have seen that WR option coming, instead of 89,999,989.


If only the refs could have just seen that game through the eyes of the Seahawk Bandwagon, what could have been?

[WhatsMyName]

Gotta love how the dude gets destroyed in 2 other threads, then tries to rationalize his point of view with another topic.

[Dinsdale]

Gotta love how the dude gets destroyed in 2 other threads, then tries to rationalize his point of view with another topic.

Since I'm trying to help you out, so you don't have to change nics again quite as soon as last time, here's another bit of advice --

Don't make a complete fool out of yourself in a thread, then declare yourself the victor, and then try and refer to the previous threads to puff your chest.

Around these parts, we have a word for that -- we call it being a "boardbitch."

I'm trying to help you out here.

[GrizBearStare]

Hasselback was going for (and made) the tackle. My opinon: Incidentally scraping by someone's leg while making a tackle does not an illegal block make. Was Matt supposed to make a "Breakin' II: Electric Boogaloo" style head spin to avoid contact when he is making a tackle? A no call would've been the right call.

[Dinsdale]

Rule says you can't go into a blocker's knees when attempting to make a tackle.

HaselbEck went into a blocker's knees when attempting to make a tackle.

So, having established this:

A) The refs should have enforced the rules as they were written and penalized the offending team as per NFL rules

B) The refs should have turned a blind eye to the rules in order to make the game "more fair"

OR...

C) Seahags fan should just shut the fuck up already, albeit 2 days late?



What an amazing microcosm that Shaun Alexander and Jerome Bettis supplied --

On one side, we have "I was stabbed in the back. I'm on pace to become the greatest running back in NFL history."

And on the other, you have a man who conducted himself with nothing but class for the last 13 years.

And it appears most of the fans of both teams fell in line behind their "leader."

[GrizBearStare]

Rule says you can't go into a blocker's knees when attempting to make a tackle.

HaselbEck went into a blocker's knees when attempting to make a tackle.

So, having established this:

A) The refs should have enforced the rules as they were written and penalized the offending team as per NFL rules

B) The refs should have turned a blind eye to the rules in order to make the game "more fair"

OR...

C) Seahags fan should just shut the fuck up already, albeit 2 days late?

Absolutely correct. All rules are plainly written and uniformly enforced without room for interpretation or inconsistency.

sin,

Every Legislative and Judicial entity ever





PS - Do the rules say anything about a ball needing to "break the plane" in order to count for a score?

Let Ben Worthlesberger know.

[Dinsdale]

Ohhhhh so sorry --

The correct answer was "C."

"C."


But, we do have some lovely parting gifts for you, and thanks for appearing on The Bitch Is Wrong.

[GrizBearStare]

Ohhhhh so sorry --

The correct answer was "C."

"C."


But, we do have some lovely parting gifts for you, and thanks for appearing on The Bitch Is Wrong.

Ignoring an argument is not the same as winning an argument. Seattle's lack of execution at key points in the game (Brown and Stevens) prevented them from winning the game. However, to pretend that there were not some questionable calls is just ignorant.

And were the shoe on the other foot, I guar-fucking-promise you that Steelerfan is singing the same song.


Done.

[Dinsdale]

However, to pretend that there were not some questionable calls is just ignorant.

I agree.

That botched call of Steven's fumble and the non-call on the flagrant block in the back were two great examples.

Steelerfan isn't whining because they won, and in my experience over the years generally tend to be classy fans. My experience over the years with Hawks fans is extremely extensive, and frankly, they're living up to their reputation.

[UCant Unretires Again]

And Seattle would have scored if it weren't for that "phantom" holding call

You're better than that^^^.

I've seen quite a few games this post-season that may or may not have been decided by the officials. The fact that playoffs has turned into a discussion about the competency of the best refs the NFL has to offer makes me worried about the direction the game is taking. I'd rather be discussing Willie Parker breaking Marcus Allen's SB record for longest TD run. I'd rather be talking about how SBXL challenged NE vs CAR or TEN vs STL as the greatest SB game ever. Sadly, my friend, these things aren't on my mind. First and foremost, I am a fan of the greatest game on earth. Shouldn't we have most qualified people on the planet policing the game... and not the current lot of stiffs we see mucking it up out there each and every Sunday?

[Dumbass]

Here you go, Paully. You may need this for your nose after you pull it from B's asshole.



You do not honestly think we are going to take your horseshit stance and change our minds do ya? The same way we can not convince you every year that KC isn't going to The Super Bowl until they are actually eliminated. Go back to propping The Chiefs as the best team in the NFL or St Louis, which ever wagon you are on. I'll stay on my stance quite confidently, chode.

Oh and if the film doesn't lie, why are so many reviewed plays even fucked up? TROY POLAMALU's INTERCEPTION? Hmmm, I wonder if PIT lost that game, how much B would be bitching and then who's ass would your nose be punching.

WASN'T IT THESE SAME STEELERS CRYING THAT THE REFS WERE TRYING TO TAKE THE INDY GAME AWAY FROM THEM???

Dumbasses.

The other issue is called inconclusive and had that line judge stayed with his initial decision while running in from the side line, PIT would not have had enough to over turn the call.


Oh yea and the film doesn't lie hat PIT had as many holds that looked exactly like the one SEA was flagged on. How convenient it came on a play that got them first and gaol.

Cryin' Ryan award? OMG, is mom going to put me ion the corner next?

If the ref bitching wasn't justified, it would not be close to the topic it has become. When you pull your nose out of Smack's a-hole, use the surplus for the next time you pull your head out of your ass.

[Moorese]

If only the refs could have just seen that game through the eyes of the Seahawk Bandwagon, what could have been?

If it were only the Seahawks bandwagon doing the pissing and moaning, it would make sense at least from the perspective that said bandwagon ought to be fairly fucking upset at Seattle's repeated mistakes that hurt the Hawks' chances to win the game, and therefore look to misplace blame.

But the griping coming from this corner of the country and Seahawks fans is hardly unique. There's an entire and much larger contingent of football fans, critics, former players and coaches, and commentators that are griping about the officiating as well, and publishing or spouting rants all over the web, the radio, and the tube. Bear in mind, these are the same people that picked Pittsburgh to win the fucking game. Your bitterness notwithstanding, Dins, this isn't merely sour grapes from Seattle fans...somehow it's turned into sour grapes for a host of people who couldn't locate Seattle on a map if I pointed between Tacoma and Everett.

Give it a rest. Give the Steelers their due. They earned it. And from my perspective, quit tarnishing the best season in Seahawks' history.

The officials didn't recognize the line of scrimmage on the run and heave (and complete) a prayer on 3rd and 28. Ben Roethlisberger did. The officials didn't out hustle Michael Boulware for the ball at the end of that heave. Hines Ward did. The officials didn't bust a huge run through a hole created when Alan Faneca blasted Hill out of the play. Willie Parker did. The officials didn't launch a perfect spiral on the run to a streaking Hines Ward. Randle El did. Conversely, the officials did not toss an ill-advised pick to Ike Taylor. Matt Hasselbeck did. The officials didn't dump footballs to the turf like they were covered with genital warts. Jerramy Stevens did. The officials didn't fuck up what should have been a fair catch, allowing the ball to bounce towards the end zone and get downed. Peter Warrick did. The officials didn't completely mismanage the clock at the end of both the half and the game. Mike Holmgren did. The officials didn't miss two albeit long field goals. Josh Brown did.

Seattle did a lot of things well when it didn't matter as much and a lot of things really fucking poorly when it did. Pittsburgh did a lot of things poorly when it didn't matter as much and a lot of things well when it did. The former leads to a loss. The latter leads to a win and a championship. The Steelers were the better team...plain and simple.

Or as Gene Wojciechowski writes, "Enough already with the whining. The Seahawks had their chances. Plenty of them to overcome the Steelers and, if they insist, the refs, too." The Seahawks didn't. If they deserved to be NFL Champions, they would have.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/ ... id=2322300

[drummer]

Yes , they would . I think they would matchup favorably with KC and Denver , and could beat Denver .

Seattle's defense is no joke , especially the front 4 .

They would have finished behind Denver and San Diego. Assuming old alignments for a second, I'd place the Seahawks ahead of the Raiders and even with KC.

First of all KC finished 2nd in the division at 10-6, Sd was 3rd at 9-7.

I do think it's a fair question considering Seattle was the best team in the NFC.

I believe Seattle would have been a definite contender, perhaps winning the AFC West. They have one of the best offensive lines in the league, a great RB, very good QB and WR's and an underrated defense.

That puts them ahead of KC (poor D) and SD in my book (poor Oline), and right up there with Denver. The Seahawks were giving the Steelers all they could handle in the 1st half, but poor execution on Special teams (shitty punts into the End zone & missed Fg's), dropped passes and a few bad calls kept the Steelers in the game.

Shit happens and the Steelers put them away.

I thought Seattle was a top 5 team before the Super Bowl and believe that is still a good ranking.

One advantage Seattle has over Denver is the QB position . I'll take Hassy over Plummer , and I think Plummer should get one more year with Denver to prove if he can lead an offense without fucking up . Not only that , Ray Rhodes is familiar with Denver's offense , since he and Shanny know each other's philosophy's all the way back to SF , when they both were co-ordinators for the 1994-95 SB team .