Tags is lubin' ya up, Chef fan

[poptart]

NFL: K.C. will get Super Bowl if ...


KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- If voters approve a tax to renovate the Truman Sports Complex and build a rolling roof, Kansas City will host the Super Bowl in 2015.

NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue made the announcement Sunday by speakerphone from New York, where he was involved in negotiations on a contract extension with the players union.

Also present for a news conference clearly aimed at kick-starting the drive for passage of the tax by Jackson County voters were Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt and a number of civic leaders.

Tagliabue announced late last year that Kansas City would get a Super Bowl if the renovations were made and if a rolling roof were built to make Arrowhead Stadium climate-controlled. On Sunday, he announced which specific Super Bowl Kansas City could have.

"Many factors went into this decision of the clubs to award Super Bowl 49 to Kansas City," Tagliabue said.

"Not the least of those factors was the recognition by our teams and the owners and the team executives of [Hunt's] contributions to the league and to the game of football over many, many decades."

Passage of the two measures on the April 4 ballot is not certain. A 3/8-cent sales tax would raise about $575 million for renovations to Arrowhead and the Royals' Kauffman Stadium. A separate tax would raise about $200 million to build the rolling roof, which would be used for both stadiums.

The Royals were invited to have a representative at the event Sunday, but chose not to.

"I think the membership felt hosting a Super Bowl in Kansas City was clearly the right thing to do," Tagliabue said. "Kansas City will become only the fourth Northern climate city to host a Super Bowl. Kansas City will have the longest lead time to prepare for the Super Bowl."

But Tagliabue made sure the voters of Jackson County understood what they had to do. Both stadiums opened in the early 1970s and are showing their age in many ways.

"The playing of Super Bowl 49 in Kansas City will be contingent on the renovation of Arrowhead Stadium and the rolling roof, and those improvements to the stadium will become critically important down the road as the voters of Jackson County prepare to go to the polls on April 4," he said. "From my perspective, this is a very, very exciting moment."

Other tax measures to bring the stadiums up to date have failed.

"When voters say yes on question No. 1 and when they say yes on question No. 2, our hopes will be realized and the Super Bowl will be here," said Pete Levi, president of the greater Kansas City chamber of commerce.

"We will have the coolest rolling roof any city has anywhere in the world. Now it is truly up to Jackson County voters to do their part."

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The Super Bowl was in Houston a couple of years ago.

Oh, the SUPER BOWL, the SUPER BOWL, the SUPER BOWL !!!!!!!

WEEEEeeeEEEEEEeEeEeEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Was supposed to be a cash cow for Harris County, bringing in jillions upon jillions of dollars in revenue.

Hey, it did absolutely DICK for me.

My property taxes went up the next year, ...... AGAIN. x infinity

Bend over and fork over, Chef fan.

Luxury playpens for the rich and super-rich to play in ought to be WAY down near the bottom on a list of things that taxpayers ought to be ponying up for.

This would mean infinitely more for Lamar (and his future beneficiaries), Tags, and other assorted white collar criminals than it will for you.


Did I mention that you ought to vote no...?

[BSmack]

I have to say that I agree with everything Tart said.

I think I'm going to faint.

Vote NO.

[BSmack]

B, how much did it cost Pittsburgh taxpayers to build Heinz Field and PNC Park?

Not anywhere near what it is going to cost the taxpayers of Jackson County.

Belee dat.

The stadium cost 280 million. The Steelers sold naming rights for 57 million dollars and kicked in 76 million themselves. The rest was public money. That's a damn sight less that 700 million.

BTW: Not sure about PNC Park.

[War Wagon]

You could build maybe one stadium for that money, not two. I don't care about the SB being played here or a freaking rolling roof, but the first ballot initiative simply to renovate the existing stadiums needs to pass or Jackson county will be in default of their lease agreement with both teams. If that happens both teams will be looking to move elsewhere. I could give a shit about the Royals anymore, but I don't want the Chiefs going anywhere. They will remain at Arrowhead for another 25-30 years if the sales tax passes, which I'm confident it will.

[Dumbass]

What? Babs's uvula?

[War Wagon]

Get back to me on April 5th. The first measure will pass hands down, and the second has a chance. I doubt you'd even know how to read a ballot, Paul, so for the sake of KC's future, go to Topeka or something that day instead of showing up at the designated polling place which you probably don't even know where the fuck that is anyway.

Fortunately, shortsighted dumfucks like you weren't in the majority when the question of issuing bonds to build the Truman Sports Complex was initially raised.

I trust that they aren't today, either.

[Dumbass]

This is an ADULT conversation, Duane- stay the FUCK out.

Yea, and some half whit like your dumbass is in it?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Guess what dipshit? An adult might get the reference and slight joke. I know it is above you, sorry fuckface. I know you're stupid and all but....

Are the "adults" you are talking to the same ones you called every name in the book throughout the season while they were slapping you silly? Nice job King Brown Noser.

We have the parrot and the brown noser. I don't think I have ever seen someone lick as much scrotum as you.

Have your fun now and talk finances because we know you do not know shit about the grid iron. Carry on dad, errr Mr Charmin.

[Dumbass]

they're the fucking iodots that signed the two sports franchises to those RIDICULOUS leases.

Yup, that is some adult convo if I have ever heard it.

...dumbfuck

Your attempts to slam me are so pathetic.

[Dumbass]

Have your fun now and talk finances because we know you do not know shit about the grid iron.

Get back to me on April 5th. The first measure will pass hands down, and the second has a chance. I doubt you'd even know how to read a ballot, Paul, so for the sake of KC's future, go to Topeka or something that day instead of showing up at the designated polling place which you probably don't even know where the fuck that is anyway.

Fortunately, shortsighted dumfucks like you weren't in the majority when the question of issuing bonds to build the Truman Sports Complex was initially raised.

I trust that they aren't today, either.

Ooops, it appears you are being bitch slapped even off the field. Sorry, PCP, you're still on drugs and getting PWNSORD!

Woo hoooooooo!

You suck bitch

Fuck you
Fuck you
Arrrrrrrrg!

My bitch!

[War Wagon]

Fuck off, Duane.

You have no business here.

I'll rip Pauls arm off and beat you with it should you not heed my advice.

This is a discussion among the KC faithful.

Everyone else can go fuck themselves.

[WhatsMyName]

LMFAO!!!!!

[Dumbass]

Fuck off, Duane.

You have no business here.

I'll rip Pauls arm off and beat you with it should you not heed my advice.

This is a discussion among the KC faithful.

Everyone else can go fuck themselves.

Bring it on, Chodan. I have a barrel full of gutter piss waiting to soak your head in when you come at me with your windmill arms of fury. When you and Paul are through skinny dipping in the backyard cesspool we all refer to as Kansas City, I'll be here. :P

[Dumbass]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!

[SunCoastSooner]

B, how much did it cost Pittsburgh taxpayers to build Heinz Field and PNC Park?

Not anywhere near what it is going to cost the taxpayers of Jackson County.

Belee dat.

The stadium cost 280 million. The Steelers sold naming rights for 57 million dollars and kicked in 76 million themselves. The rest was public money. That's a damn sight less that 700 million.

BTW: Not sure about PNC Park.

Pittsburgh supports the Steelers better than the Chiefs and Royals are supported as well Bsmack. Don't get me wrong there are some rabid ass Chiefs fans in KC but is nothing like Pburgh. I know I have lived in both communities and have been to games at both stadiums... well all three I saw the Steelers at Heinz and at 3 Rivers. Gotta say the after game festivities are better in Pburgh as well though I think that a lot of that has to do with it being impossible to get out of Downtown before midnight after the game as well.

[War Wagon]

Paulio, after reading Duanes drivel, I realize that you deserve a response that doesn't involve a two by four.

So you're saying that two stadiums can't be built for $800 MILLION DOLLARS???

Yes, I am. Are you aware of the huge increase that has occurred with construction costs over the past coupla' years? $400 million won't buy near the facilty today that it would have in 2003. Also, you have the issue of location. Where do you propose they build these new stadiums instead? Downtown? Give me a break. You have issues with infrastructure, parking, and easy access in and out. It doesn't get much better than the Truman Sports complex in regards to that.

Seriously bro, renovating the existing stadiums is the most cost effective way to go, despite what that fuckwad KK may say on 810 sports.

And dude, I hate it that this is all being left up to Jackson countians to decide. I live in Clay county and I voted yes for the last bi-state proposal for funding to renovate the stadiums. It makes me fucking sick that the freeloaders in the surrounding counties can't see past the end of their goddamned noses.

Yes, elsewhere within the KC metro area. Somebody in either Wyandotte or Johnson County KS will pony up the land and the funds for a new crib for the Chiefs before they even think about leaving town...

Wrong. The State of Kansas is already scrambling trying to figure out how they're going to come up with the extra $400 million a year they need to meet the court mandated public school funding they are required to provide. You make a rather LARGE assumption and take a HUGE risk if you're counting on Kansas to bail out the Chiefs.

Even if they could....FUCK Kansas. The Chiefs reside in Missouri, period.

...and the Royals will "miraculously" come up with a plan for a downtown ballpark....once this retarded tax measure FAILS MISERABLY.

Why? Because Keitzmans sold you that phony bill of goods? Here's a pretty good tip you can take to the bank, Paul. If Double K is behind something, there's a pretty good chance he's trying to line his pockets while leaving yours empty.

And finally...dude, it's only a 3/8 of a fucking cent sales tax. That means that for every $100 dollars that you spend at the Piggly Wiggly, it will mean an extra 38 cents added to the total. Tell me you're not wigging out over that.

[SunCoastSooner]

3/8 od cent ain't shit. I have to agree with War on this one. Oklahoma City had a 1 cent sales tax increase for something like a decade to fund the MAPS project (I believe that Kansas City used MAPS as the model for the new entertainment district) and that one cent for 10 years has paid back big dividends now and the project isn't even finished but the funding is. The Big 12 baseball tourney is basically a main stay now at the Brick. The NBA will permantly be there very soon whether it is the Hornets staying, or the Magic, Sonics, or very slime possibilty the Blazers. Oklahoma City is supposedly one of the big 3 in contesting to be the Marlins new home (they are going to move now it is inevitable). The city is talking NHL now and that leagues interest in the city (which it is has plenty of with the Blazers being the most successful Minor League Hockey Franchise for well over a decade now). This is all without even mentioning how much Downtown OKC has changed since I last resided there. I hardly recognize it anymore and damn near get lost with all the bars and resteraunts now where abandoned warehouses and offices once were.

Like I said 3/8 of a penny for a few years ain't shit if you want to kepp KC on the map. I would hate it if the Chiefs and Royals moved. Those are my teams. I don't think I could root for them anywhere else with all the memories I have from Kauffman, Arrowhead, My grandfather cussing at Marty, or one of my fondest memories (now wasn't very exciting then as a kid) thinking my grandfather was having a heart attack when Daryl Motley hit the home run in the 2nd inning against the Cards in Game 7. I just don't think I could ever pull for them anywhere else. It would leave me empty inside. 3/8 of a penny ain't shit if you really believe these franchises are part of your community and you want them to remain so you tight asses.

[WhatsMyName]

What the FUCK are you laughing about, tard?

A rolling roof would make Arrowhead the laughing stock of the league. Talk about a fagged out idea.

[Dinsdale]

very slim possibilty the Blazers.

Yeah, hold your breath on that one.

Actually, Stern has pretty much said that hell will freeze over before he lets the Blazers leave Portland. And it's not too hard to see why -- the way the lease was written between the team and the arena group, basically, if they try to break the lease, the finances work out to where the arena owners also now own the team. It's pretty much a lock that the Trailblazers aren't going anywhere. Even if they do break the lease, they essentially become property (for all intents and purposes) of the building owners, who would have no reason to move at that point...just because the people who owned the building before were stupid (sup Paul Allen), it doesn't mean the new owners are too. They're pretty much in a win/win right now.

But closer to the topic -- why is it that wealthy owners of sports teams think it's the taxpayer's responsibilty to build them what is essentially a business location for them, just so the owners can become wealthier, while the working class pays for it?

That's reprehensible, in my book. And if I did live in KC, two things are for certain -- )A I'd move, and B) I'd climb to the top of a tall building with a sniper rifle before I let Royals ownership have one freaking penny of my tax money. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since the luxury tax started, haven't the Royals received more in revenue sharing than they've spent on payroll? And now they want the people of KC to bucky up MORE money, so they can increase profit?

What am I missing here? Absolutely deplorable. Not only do they want George Steinbrenner to pad their bank account, but now they want working class folks to fatten them up, too?

I suppose if it cuts into the local/state education budget, it's a win/win, since there will always be a steady supply of minimum-wage Walmart employees.

[SunCoastSooner]

very slim possibilty the Blazers.

Yeah, hold your breath on that one.

Actually, Stern has pretty much said that hell will freeze over before he lets the Blazers leave Portland. And it's not too hard to see why -- the way the lease was written between the team and the arena group, basically, if they try to break the lease, the finances work out to where the arena owners also now own the team. It's pretty much a lock that the Trailblazers aren't going anywhere. Even if they do break the lease, they essentially become property (for all intents and purposes) of the building owners, who would have no reason to move at that point...just because the people who owned the building before were stupid (sup Paul Allen), it doesn't mean the new owners are too. They're pretty much in a win/win right now.

I said slim...

But closer to the topic -- why is it that wealthy owners of sports teams think it's the taxpayer's responsibilty to build them what is essentially a business location for them, just so the owners can become wealthier, while the working class pays for it?

Not many owners out there can afford to build what needs to be built to accomodate. What it comes down to is whether or not that form of entertainment is seen to be worth the asking price. In the end it is up to the tax payer whether it is worth it to the community. If the community as a whole feels that strongly that they are willing to shell out their hard earned dollar then that, once again, is their decision. Schools and such should be first priority though. If you disagree with the community at that point then A) move or B) don't shop in that county. Exercise your rights. New Venues also don't just bennifit the specific franchises they serve. Cities should retain ownership of their venues, sale naming rights, bring in other events, such as College neutral field games, large proffesional conferences, rodeos, amateur wrestling tournies, the WWE once or twice a year, ect.

That's reprehensible, in my book. And if I did live in KC, two things are for certain -- )A I'd move, and B) I'd climb to the top of a tall building with a sniper rifle before I let Royals ownership have one freaking penny of my tax money. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since the luxury tax started, haven't the Royals received more in revenue sharing than they've spent on payroll? And now they want the people of KC to bucky up MORE money, so they can increase profit?

Yeah they have and I have a big Beef with Mr "Cheap Ass I ain't got no Wally World Money" Glass on this issue but my beef is with him and his group and not the Kansas City Royals team. I know that is a fine line I am walking but JMHO. You can see the MLB forum for the rest of my standard rant on this subject.

What am I missing here? Absolutely deplorable. Not only do they want George Steinbrenner to pad their bank account, but now they want working class folks to fatten them up, too?

Yeah but they don't sale enough popcorn and beer at their games

I suppose if it cuts into the local/state education budget, it's a win/win, since there will always be a steady supply of minimum-wage Walmart employees.

I don't think the KC schools can be any more underfunded than they already are though Dins so that point is moot. Unless things have really changed they haven't ever really cared about their childrens educations before, why start now?

[War Wagon]

But closer to the topic -- why is it that wealthy owners of sports teams think it's the taxpayer's responsibilty to build them what is essentially a business location for them, just so the owners can become wealthier, while the working class pays for it?

Umm, because that's how they got to be wealthy business owners? Wait, that's too easy.

Maybe it's because local municipalities actually own the venues, the "business location", and lease them to these things called "tenants"... for a price. That price comes in many forms, the least of which is that thing called "rent".

See, "landlords" (that'd be Jackson county in this instance) attempt to lure high profile tenants (that'd be the Chiefs and Royals) into their facilities, because they, the landlords, stand to gain considerable benefits from such occupancy. Benefits like jobs and long term revenue, which tend to trickle down to those miserable working classes who had to spend an extra 38 cents at Wal-Mart to reap said benefits.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but since the luxury tax started, haven't the Royals received more in revenue sharing than they've spent on payroll?

Ok, you're wrong. Happy?

What am I missing here?

This isn't about the Royals, it's about the Chiefs.

Unfortunately for Jackson county residents, this proposal is a package deal. The Royals could move to Omaha, Wichita, or Memphis for all I care at this point in my miserably beat down existance of being a Royals fan.

But.... THOU SHALT NOT FUCK WITH MY KANSAS CITY CHIEFS, LAMAR HUNT, OR ARROWHEAD STADIUM.

Clear now?

[kcdave]

Get back to me on April 5th. The first measure will pass hands down, and the second has a chance.

Wags, I disagree.

Aside from the Chiefs, Royals, and the usual politico talking heads, no one really gives a damn about the issue at this date and time in Jackson Co. The JaCo fucks are infamous for voting down tax increases that they SHOULD vote for, and are not about to vote for something that they should not.

You can get back with me on April 5th and we can discuss why this issue failed. Heres a few things for you to ponder in the meantime, on why the issue will fail, and what really needs to be done:

Both stadiums are still in great shape from the eyes of the average fan. Despite the Chiefs letting the turf to go to shit this season, Jo Schmo sees no reason to spend one nickle.

Also, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out alot of this shit we are talking about. Arrowhead and the K a far cry from the Vet in Philly. I have never heard one player, coach or commentator complain about either stadium. Ive yet to read about a building inspector threating to close one of them, and force them to cancel a season.

Both stadiums are more than adequate to last another 10 years, with nothing more than the same normal maintenance that they have had over the last 10 years. The Chiefs and Royals both know this, but they want more profit, (who amongst us does not) so I see where they are coming from. That does not make them right. It only makes them premature. When one or both of the teams REALLY believe the crap they are spewing now, they will be speaking seriously about relocation. THAT, combined with people actually walking into a crappy stadium, will get things done.

When the day does come ....... Im of the opinion that any type of bi-state will not happen, and its not really fair to expect JaCo to pay the bill for both teams, or any county for that matter. Like it or not Wags, this city is alot different than it was in the late 60's, and the whole financial landscape of supporting teams has changed.

Under ideal conditions, one of these teams MUST move across the state line. Pick which ever team you want, it really does not matter. However one of them needs to go. In addition to moving, surrounding counties from both states, need to pay their fair share with voter approval. We all enjoy the benefits that having pro sports bring, so why should only a few carry the burden?

[Dinsdale]

Maybe it's because local municipalities actually own the venues, the "business location", and lease them to these things called "tenants"... for a price. That price comes in many forms, the least of which is that thing called "rent".

Maybe where you live. I guess we're talking apples and oranges. My bad. Only venue that is owned by the city here is a POS, and loses money hand over AAA fist. But on the bright side, at least it's still named after a subsidiary of Enron.

[Dumbass]

Post whore much, Duane?

Go the FUCK away- seriously.

SUCK MY DICK SHITHEAD.

If it wasn't for me acting like a stupid jackass, you wouldn't have anyone around here to compare your dumbass to.

Trouble with you is you really are a dipshit, flip flopping tard.

Should call you KC Pancake.

You flop around and around and get tossed about our spatulas daily until you're perfectly fried.

[War Wagon]

Both stadiums are still in great shape from the eyes of the average fan.

Have you actually been out to the either stadium in the last few years and really looked around? It's obvious they need some major plumbing and electrical overhaul. Cosmetically, the old gals are long past the point of showing their age. They are downright fugly in some areas that a new coat of paint isn't going to fix. Besides that, the concourses are too narrow and there aren't enough restrooms or concession stands.

But all of that is beside the point. The real problem is that the leases state that the stadiums will be kept "State of the art". Oops, they weren't state of the art before the ink dried on that piece of paper signed back in 1990. Now, 16 years later and after numerous failed attempts to provide funding for these "State of the art" improvements, this may be the last chance.

When one or both of the teams REALLY believe the crap they are spewing now, they will be speaking seriously about relocation. THAT, combined with people actually walking into a crappy stadium, will get things done.

Both Clark Hunt and Jack Steadman are both on record saying that this is going to be the last time the Chiefs ask for Arrowhead to be upgraded. If this doesn't pass, they will look elsewhere, and I believe them. They'll be gone with-in 5 years. Where to, I don't know and neither do they, but rest assured it won't be in KCMO.

I'm not willing to take that risk, and neither should any other person who considers themselves a fan of this team. If they leave town, we'll have no ones but ourselves to blame, and will be kicking our own asses for being such fucking short sighted cheapskates.

When the day does come ....... Im of the opinion that any type of bi-state will not happen, and its not really fair to expect JaCo to pay the bill for both teams, or any county for that matter. Like it or not Wags, this city is alot different than it was in the late 60's, and the whole financial landscape of supporting teams has changed.

Preaching to the choir to an extent. So basically, what your saying is that we're fucked as far as keeping MLB and the NFL in KC?

I don't believe that for one second. The voters of Jackson county will step to the plate again and knock one out of the park, thus saving the rest of the KC metro area's bacon.

For starters they can then feel free to spit on any car in the stadium parking lots sporting KS tags.

RACK them in advance.

[kcdave]

Have you actually been out to the either stadium in the last few years and really looked around? It's obvious they need some major plumbing and electrical overhaul. .... the concourses are too narrow and there aren't enough restrooms or concession stands.

Yes, I have been to both. I also consider myself to be more educated on the issue at hand than Jo Schmo fans or JaCo voters, in most all of the areas. Not only about the stadiums, but also about the voting history of JaCo.

Jackson County voters only approve tax hikes now, when they are basically forced to, or sold a bill of goods. There is no force here yet, and while the JaCo voter is normally ignorant on most issues, they are smart enough on this issue to know that a Super Bowl coming here in 9 years, will not mean a damn thing to them on an individual basis.

Also, Im tired of anytime this issue is mentioned that we hear the same old shit. Plumbing, electrical, crowded concourses, restrooms, and concession stands.

Aside from the mega concert every 5 years, bible thumper convention, or the Chiefs actually making the playoffs, Arrowhead is used 10 times per year. The K, only hosts 3, 4, maybe 5 games a year where crowds are an issue. 20 times a year max that crowds are an issue, and the normal event lasts 3 hours. 20x3=60 hours.

60 hours per year, of people watching sports, concerts, and bible thumpers, mostly of whom are not from the voting county, will cost how many hundreds of millions of dollars to tax payers?

[War Wagon]

Jackson County voters only approve tax hikes now, when they are basically forced to...

I believe that they are being "forced" to, in the fact that a real sense of urgency has developed, or at least should have been developed, for getting the stadium improvements done ASAP. This has taken too damn long, and I can't blame either team for running out of patience at this juncture.

Quite seriously, if question #1 doesn't pass, I believe that before 2015 they'll be calling themselves the Memphis Royals and either the San Antonio or Los Angeles Chiefs.

dave, the words you're mouthing are probably pretty damn close to what people in Baltimore and Cleveland were saying before their NFL teams packed up and left.

[War Wagon]

Alrighty then.

I'm chalking up Paul and dave support for the question after the re-education.

Feel free to ask questions or voice your concerns at any time.

[War Wagon]

Bottom line: Those rich cocksuckers are NOT going to fleece me for money. I will guaranGODDAMNtee you that.

Yeah, that extra $25.00 or so a year that you would have to spend on a 3/8 cent sales tax would really cripple your budget, wouldn't it?

[kcdave]

Alrighty then.

I'm chalking up Paul and dave support for the question after the re-education.

Feel free to ask questions or voice your concerns at any time.

Chalk shit. This issue is far from over. We still have 3 1/2 weeks to beat this horse.

[War Wagon]

This issue is far from over. We still have 3 1/2 weeks to beat this horse.

So when did you plan on starting?

[kcdave]

Wags, why are you in such a rush for me to continue proving you wrong?

Side note:

Might be time to head for the basement, although I don't remember a tornado ever hitting these parts in March. Weird.

Something we can agree on. Weird is fucking right. Crazy ass weather today. 9:00am, Hail storm. Noon, partly sunny, nice. 2:00pm, Hail storm, tons of rain. 5:00pm, sunny, 70, near perfect, chops on the grill. 7:00pm, Hail storm, raining sideways, power and cable out for 10 minutes.

I dont think I have ever seen it hail twice in the same month, let alone 3 times in one fucking day. Good thing we didnt have that rolling roof today ...... or it would have been beaten to shit!

[Kansas City Kid]

Bottom line: Those rich cocksuckers are NOT going to fleece me for money. I will guaranGODDAMNtee you that.

Yeah, that extra $25.00 or so a year that you would have to spend on a 3/8 cent sales tax would really cripple your budget, wouldn't it?

It sure would! Fat ass thinks $40,000 is a lot of money!!

[War Wagon]

Wags, why are you in such a rush for me to continue proving you wrong?

Link?

Surely, this alleged 'proving me wrong' didn't occur within this blurb.

I also consider myself to be more educated on the issue at hand than Jo Schmo fans or JaCo voters, in most all of the areas. Not only about the stadiums, but also about the voting history of JaCo.

Please enlighten my humble self about this superior education that you possess. All I've seen thus far is bluster.

Paul actually makes a better arguement for a NO vote than what you've brought to the table thus far.

As for the common ground on the weather, too bad that apparently you are loathe to comment in a thread on Main Street about a topic that you obviously had something worth saying.

What's up with that?

Fuck the haters and 'tards. The cream always rises to the top, and stalking dweebs like Jdork wind up offing themselves eventually.

[kcdave]

Wags, dont think I have forgotten you. Also, while you think you are enjoying some sort of scoreboard, thats cool by me. I will however be getting back with you on the issue when I give a shit. Maybe this week, if not, then the next. Is this thread ok, or do you have some other type of idiotic formula of where can discuss the issue.

[War Wagon]

dave, the only scoreboard I care to enjoy will hopefully be provided by Jackson county voters at the ballot box on April 4th.

Whether or not you "give a shit" is of no importance to the question at hand, since last I checked you don't live in Jackson county. Granted, you may spend some cash there, but you don't have much say in the outcome. In that regard, neither do I.

I guess that's what really baffles me about some of the opposition to the sales tax...where it's coming from. I read letters to the editor in the Star from folks in Lenexa, Overland Park, Shawnee Mission, etc. whining about a tax they (for the most part) won't have to pay. WTF? You'd think these parasites would be egging on Jackson countians to pay for improvements to stadiums that they use, at little cost to themselves.

Oh well, I guess some people just can't stand minding their own goddamn business and get off on piously telling other communities just how they should run theirs.

[Kansas City Kid]

It sure would! Fat ass thinks $40,000 is a lot of money!!

Last time I checked $40K IS a lot of money.

Please hang yourself, Kaley.

Hey, I guess you like peanuts so much you are willing to work for them. Explains why you bought a Carolla and souped it up bragging it was some sort of "muscle" car. Any car you drive is immediately branded a fatmobile, you white-trash hillbilly!!!!