The Freak!!!

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:34 am

Meet the 49ers 1st Pick of the 1st Round

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BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:18 pm

Correct me if I am wrong- isn't your current tight end the only part of your passing game worth a damn? Why would they draft another tight end instead of say.. a wide receievr (of which you now have none), or a RB since Barlow & Gore are shit, or a linebacker- since they let thier only real defensive player go as well?

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:01 pm

BBMarley wrote:Correct me if I am wrong- isn't your current tight end the only part of your passing game worth a damn? Why would they draft another tight end instead of say.. a wide receievr (of which you now have none), or a RB since Barlow & Gore are shit, or a linebacker- since they let thier only real defensive player go as well?

Ok.

When was the last time Eric Johnson played a whole season without an injury? He's had one complete season since he's been in the NFL. He missed the whole season last year. If you get a chance to get a guy that's 6'2 255 and runs a 4.38 and can block and catch at TE, how do you not take him #1, if not #6 in the draft?

Wide Reciever... like I said, He's 6'2 255 and runs a legit 4.38 and was also clocked at 4.35. Which would make him one of the fastest men in the NFL. We also signed Antonio Bryant, who had over a 1,000 yards receiving on one of the worst passing teams in football last year. Most our receivers last year were out with injury.

Gore??? I guess you missed his rookie season last year, when he led the team in rushing with around 700 yards, and only started 2 games.

Linebacker? We let the cancers and underachievers go... and will keep the warriors, and address it with the draft.

Vernon Davis will be an All-Pro for many years to come... I just hope someone doesn't get a hold of this "Freak" before we do at #6.

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WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:08 pm

Vernon Davis, if he's still on the board, would be the best fit for the Niners. Hawk isn't a 3-4 pass rushing OLB and I doubt Mario or D-brick would fall that far.

Gore sucks? Someone's been watching himself a whole 0 Niner games...

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:01 pm

WhatsMyName wrote: Gore sucks? Someone's been watching himself a whole 0 Niner games...

You're right- East Coaster here without Sunday ticket- so not much of a chance to watch Niners games. Only from what I see on ESPN and stats I read on the net.

Sucks is too strong a word for him (not Barlow though). I know he was a rookie and is not proven yet... He averaged 43 yards a game in 14 games played. One game over 100 yards (against Houston), other than that- he broke 50 yards three times, once was 89 yards on 9 carries but one of those runs was 72 yards. If they finally cut Barlow, or at leass let Gore be the starter and give him more chances- he may get better... but with the lack of a passing game in San Fran- not sure what that is going to do. Bryant is a decent #2- but he is now way a #1. I think San Fran should put their #6 pick into a lineman or a WR... but like you said- if Brick is gone (I think NO or TN for him)- I don't know. They need WR help- but Holmes is undersized (which they already have 6', 188lb Bryant) and Jackson does not warrant a 6th round pick IMO.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:23 pm

I say they take Davis at #6 if D Brick and Williams are gone. This is a week draft for WR, and no other OL is that good to take that high. Either trade down to get Winston Justice and another pick, or take Davis.

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:07 am

You don't draft for need when you suck like the 49ers. You go BPA. If you need a receiver and you already have a good tight end, and by the time you pick, a tight end is #1 on your draft board and a receiver is #5, you go with the tight end. You don't settle. The Niners need talent, wherever it is.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:20 am

WhatsMyName wrote:You don't draft for need when you suck like the 49ers. You go BPA. If you need a receiver and you already have a good tight end, and by the time you pick, a tight end is #1 on your draft board and a receiver is #5, you go with the tight end. You don't settle. The Niners need talent, wherever it is.

Yep .

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:25 am

If I'm the Whiners I'm giving the Aints a call and seeing if theyd be interested in switching spots.

The Whiners could then strengthen their OL by drafting Ferguson.

But john York and Co. are more than capable of making that decision.

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:01 am

The Assassin wrote:If I'm the Whiners I'm giving the Aints a call and seeing if theyd be interested in switching spots.

The Whiners could then strengthen their OL by drafting Ferguson.

But john York and Co. are more than capable of making that decision.

No offense, but you're a fucking dumbass.

(Actually, that was pretty stupid of me. Of course I meant to offend you, the namecalling pretty much took care of that).

D'brick is not worth trading up for when either Vernon Davis is available (even A.J. Hawk could be there), not to mention all the benefits the Niners could get for trading DOWN with another team who wants to leapfrog the Raiders to get one of the quarterbacks.

Seriously, the last fucking thing the Niners need is to trade UP.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:38 pm

WhatsMyName wrote:
No offense, but you're a fucking dumbass.

(Actually, that was pretty stupid of me. Of course I meant to offend you, the namecalling pretty much took care of that).

D'brick is not worth trading up for when either Vernon Davis is available (even A.J. Hawk could be there), not to mention all the benefits the Niners could get for trading DOWN with another team who wants to leapfrog the Raiders to get one of the quarterbacks.

Seriously, the last fucking thing the Niners need is to trade UP.

Actually- if it means strengthening their line- I think they should consider trading up. D'brick is a beast- and they need it... or Smith will end up on his ass most of the time. I understand Davis is an anomaly of an athlete- but his big weakness is his blocking skills..

I know they picked up Allen to help- but he has lost a step and is just going to keep getting worse.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:35 pm

WhatsMyName wrote:
The Assassin wrote:If I'm the Whiners I'm giving the Aints a call and seeing if theyd be interested in switching spots.

The Whiners could then strengthen their OL by drafting Ferguson.

But john York and Co. are more than capable of making that decision.
No offense, but you're a fucking dumbass.

(Actually, that was pretty stupid of me. Of course I meant to offend you, the namecalling pretty much took care of that).

D'brick is not worth trading up for when either Vernon Davis is available (even A.J. Hawk could be there), not to mention all the benefits the Niners could get for trading DOWN with another team who wants to leapfrog the Raiders to get one of the quarterbacks.

Seriously, the last fucking thing the Niners need is to trade UP.

I disagree. the Niners are not one player away from the playoffs.Far from it. The best teams in football build their OL first. Remember the lambs drafting Orlando Pace? How bout the Ravens drafting Johnathon Ogden? You're a fukkin Mule fan you know how important the OL is. If they have any intention of getting back to the top they gotta rebuild that offense. Starting from the OL.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:49 pm

The Assassin wrote:
WhatsMyName wrote:
The Assassin wrote:If I'm the Whiners I'm giving the Aints a call and seeing if theyd be interested in switching spots.

The Whiners could then strengthen their OL by drafting Ferguson.

But john York and Co. are more than capable of making that decision.
No offense, but you're a fucking dumbass.

(Actually, that was pretty stupid of me. Of course I meant to offend you, the namecalling pretty much took care of that).

D'brick is not worth trading up for when either Vernon Davis is available (even A.J. Hawk could be there), not to mention all the benefits the Niners could get for trading DOWN with another team who wants to leapfrog the Raiders to get one of the quarterbacks.

Seriously, the last fucking thing the Niners need is to trade UP.

I disagree. the Niners are not one player away from the playoffs.Far from it. The best teams in football build their OL first. Remember the lambs drafting Orlando Pace? How bout the Ravens drafting Johnathon Ogden? You're a fukkin Mule fan you know how important the OL is. If they have any intention of getting back to the top they gotta rebuild that offense. Starting from the OL.

They just re-signed Terry Jones , for TE depth , and a decent blocker . But they still need an offensive playmaker , and Davis could provide that , since Johnson is injury prone . Plus , they have already invested 30 million plus in Jennings last season , and payed Allen a fat sum of money as well .

Besides , I don't think Ferguson will be there at #6 , and they will probably pickup a cheap FA tackle for depth , and draft in the third for even more O-line depth for the future . Hietmann was a third or fourth rounder , and he is a starter now .

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:57 pm

If the Niners were to trade down I'd suggest switching with Arizona and with the 12th pick grabbing Chad Jackson from Florida or Santonio Holmes from Ohio St.

the Niners WR core is weak and thats being kind. Davis is a stud but TE isn't your biggest need IMO.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:24 pm

The Assassin wrote:If the Niners were to trade down I'd suggest switching with Arizona and with the 12th pick grabbing Chad Jackson from Florida or Santonio Holmes from Ohio St.

the Niners WR core is weak and thats being kind. Davis is a stud but TE isn't your biggest need IMO.

Not a bad idea .

TE is pretty deep too this draft , and they can pick one up if the get a second or an extra third outta that deal .

If the Niners can wheel and deal right , they can possibly get at least 9 picks this draft , including the compensatory pick .

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:40 am

The Assassin wrote: I disagree. the Niners are not one player away from the playoffs.Far from it.

No shit. That's my point. D'brick ain't taking the Niners to the SB. D'brick can't play 5 positions at the same time either.

The best teams in football build their OL first. Remember the lambs drafting Orlando Pace? How bout the Ravens drafting Johnathon Ogden?

Or how about the Steelers drafting Big Ben? See, we can play this game all day long. There is no magic formula for winning a Super Bowl. BTW, the Ravens won with arguably the best defense ever and amazing special teams play. They had a medicore offense that was strict ball control.

You're a fukkin Mule fan you know how important the OL is. If they have any intention of getting back to the top they gotta rebuild that offense. Starting from the OL.

You don't trade up to achieve that shit.

1. Teams like the Niners don't trade up. If the Niners trade up in this draft, I'll wear a sig of your choosing for a month. It ain't gonna happen because, honestly, it's fucking retarded for a team to trade up when it needs more than one impact player. And I don't care how stupid you think the 49ers are, they aren't that stupid, I guarantee it.

2. Trading down is about 10 times more appealing than trading up for a rebuilding team.

3. The Niners OL does have youth they could build on already. Snyder, Baas, Smiley, etc. Not to mention whoever they take in this year's draft.

4. Vernon Davis' blocking skills mean shit. The guy runs a 4.38 40 and weighs 254 lbs and can catch. Todd Heap and Tony G aren't the best blockers either, do the Ravens or Chiefs give a fuck? Hell no. Blocking can be taught anyway. You can't teach hands and you can't teach speed.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:30 am

I heard a good point from a Niners beat writer on KNBR today that even with all the players that have left recently to sign big contracts with other teams ( Peterson , Lloyd , Carter , etc. ) , the team still went 4-12 . The reasoning of letting those players go is that they would eat up a lot of dollars , and they haven't impressed the staff enough to cap them out for the future . And if you look at where the Niners are at , they are in year 2 of the re-build . They're gonna need the money saved from letting those players go in years 3 and 4 .

So the position on FA is get inexpensive veteran players to flesh out the depth , and grab as many draft picks they can get thier hands on . They have had so many bad draft choices since the JJ Stokes deal , as well as bad deals like Ahmed Plummer , that the team literally has to be re-built from scratch . Thier 1st round draft choice 2 drafts back , Rashaun Woods , has been injured almost all of his short Niner career , and has yet to make a play during the regular season .

If the Niners really wanted a higher draft position , they could have tanked at least one of thier last 2 games . A couple of missed tackles would have secured that .

Now , that being all said , the beat writer speculated that they would take Mario Williams if he landed at # 6 , or , trade down some spots , get another pick from the trade , and grab Vernon Davis if still on the board , or the best player available .

This is a TE rich draft , so grabbing Mario Williams makes more sense , since the Niners need a an impact DE to replace Bryant Young .

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:27 pm

WhatsMyName wrote: There is no magic formula for winning a Super Bowl.

Correct, but to even get there is another story. Teams that control the line of scrimmage have the greatest chance at getting to the super bowl because when you control the offensive line you can run the ball better thus control the clock and keep a mediocre qb from hurting your team.

Control the defense line and you shut down the opposing teams running game and disrupt the passing game.

Drafting an all world OT or DT will do a lot more to get your team closer to the Super Bowl than drafting a LB.