_why do Mexicans wave the flag?

mouse · Post by **mouse** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:52 pm

Check out the Mini war I stated at another troll site about this same topic

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread. ... post835205

John Doe wrote:Does it matter if I'm Mexican?

It would help if your going to toss their salads on every post

I'm American just like you,

Your not an American, your canadian at best with your let them all come over and take over the USA additude. What kind of American spends 1/2 thier day on a message board defending wetbacks? Americans like you we don't need

I pay taxes just like you,

what do you use to pay Pesos?

I give back to my country by serving in the Air Force

Air force? That is fucking fantastic! Now go hop in your plane and see if you can see any of these wetbacks climbing the fence. What's that?........... your not a pilot?............. WTF? ........... Don't tell me your just some loser at a desk all day finding web sites to flame out on. Be a man! join the Army

What have you done for yours.

7 years in the 82nd Airborne 1979-1986 . Unlike you? I love the Air force, Everytime we go to war ? you fellas are nice enough to give us a ride. hell you don't even have to land the plane, we jump out, you get to stay up in the air away from the real shit and come home and Drama Queen message boards.
Son, we live in a world that has web sites, and those web sites have to be Moderated. Whose gonna do it? You? You, John Doe? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those wetbacks, and you curse the Americans. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That my posts, while tragic, probably saved Jobs. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, keeps topics moving. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me in that forum, you need me on that topic.

We use words like STFU, GTG, LOL. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent posting something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a mouse, and start to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think about my topics!

Nothing but bitch about others

Thanks to men like you? I have that right as an American

And why do you think they hide in trucks

Cars are to small

dumb ass.

Thank you for showing your age. I can see why you failed the Pilots test, Just what we need some immature hot head with nukes under his plane

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:40 pm

Mvscal, things aren't the same now as they were during the time of the Whigs. At that time we didn't have 150 years of a firmly entrenched two party system. What we have right now won't fall apart so easily and this illegal immigration issue isn't even remotely as powerful and divisive a national issue as slavery and the secession from the Union by the South was back in the 1850s.

Now, if all B Smack is saying is that we might not recognize the two parties fourteen years from now because they've morphed into different seeming entities, okay, that's possible. Even there though, no, I don't see the Republicans and Democrats suddenly giving up on or swapping their traditional platforms.

I can see them becoming more inclusive but they won't swap positions, they won't disband and there won't be any third parties with equal voting power, not in the next fourteen years.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:06 pm

There's too much money involved for either party to give up so easily. They will just dump their personal and party beliefs in the toilet, bend over and take whatever they have to take just to stay in power.

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:18 pm

mvscal wrote:
Van wrote:What we have right now won't fall apart so easily and this illegal immigration issue isn't even remotely as powerful and divisive a national issue as slavery and the secession from the Union by the South was back in the 1850s.
You are very much mistaken on that point.

We'll revisit this issue in 2020 and see if I was mistaken or not?

I believe you'll be owing me a lunch.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:51 pm

When you have guys like CMike saying "Bush is worse than Clinton ever was", this tells me that we are on the verge of a political sea change the likes of which we have not seen since 1932.

Look, B - don't get trolled so easily. With a lame duck president, Rove's strategy is to use Bush as a dartboard for other Republicans to send bullseyes into. They will sound the horn with folks like ChargerMike, announcing that Bush is "worse than Clinton ever was", hopefully (for them) heralding a more conservative breed of Republicans vying for office, the "real" conservatives, active and angry because Bush sold them out. They are setting you up to believe that their disaffectation will benefit the policital left, or that there will be a new era of moderate cooperation, but they instead desire to usher in more republicans, if anything ones more steeped in polemics than their predecessors.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:33 am

PSUFAN wrote:
When you have guys like CMike saying "Bush is worse than Clinton ever was", this tells me that we are on the verge of a political sea change the likes of which we have not seen since 1932.
Look, B - don't get trolled so easily. With a lame duck president, Rove's strategy is to use Bush as a dartboard for other Republicans to send bullseyes into. They will sound the horn with folks like ChargerMike, announcing that Bush is "worse than Clinton ever was", hopefully (for them) heralding a more conservative breed of Republicans vying for office, the "real" conservatives, active and angry because Bush sold them out. They are setting you up to believe that their disaffectation will benefit the policital left, or that there will be a new era of moderate cooperation, but they instead desire to usher in more republicans, if anything ones more steeped in polemics than their predecessors.

...I honestly see us spinning out of control. Spending is no longer in this world, it's in outer space somewhere. The borders are wide open and the laws presently on the books completely disregarded, while the plutocrats sit day after day trying to come up with new laws to ignore. Meanwhile Bush doesn't have the ability to stand for anything anymore, hell he's working with Teddy and his old man is buddy's with Bubba.

PSUFAN is right, it's all staging and the knives are sheathed now, but they'll be flying wildly soon.

I just heard Bush tell Vincente Fox that he's done a great job with Mexico's economy...WHAT! WHAT!...()*^*()*^*%% ing idiot. If he's done such a stellar job why are 10,000 mexicans fleeing their country every day.

Why couldn't Bush stand up to Fox and tell him the truth? Tell him to get his act and his country together or we'll cut their ass off. PUSSIES, they are all pussies.

Harry Truman I tell you..where's a Harry Truman these days. Where does the buck stop?

my rant's over!

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:43 am

C-mike,

We've been pandering to Fox and Mexico for years. Clinton did it, and Bush has done it even worse. For a country that holds all the cards we suck at the game.

The day we have a president who stands up and tells Mexico to get their shit together and stop bitching and complaining about all the hand holding we do for them will be the day we actually have a leader who has the best interests of the US in mind, and not his own.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:45 am

See, and I really loved Europe when I was over there. Thought I could easily live there and be happy, even.

:-)

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:54 am

PSUFAN wrote:Look, B - don't get trolled so easily. With a lame duck president, Rove's strategy is to use Bush as a dartboard for other Republicans to send bullseyes into. They will sound the horn with folks like ChargerMike, announcing that Bush is "worse than Clinton ever was", hopefully (for them) heralding a more conservative breed of Republicans vying for office, the "real" conservatives, active and angry because Bush sold them out. They are setting you up to believe that their disaffectation will benefit the policital left, or that there will be a new era of moderate cooperation, but they instead desire to usher in more republicans, if anything ones more steeped in polemics than their predecessors.

I don't feel like this is a troll job. There are some fundemental issues that we as a country have not faced up to that are going to come up and bite us in the ass. Rove may be triangulating, but the trokia of oil, immigration and Iraq are very real. And one of the two parties is going to get tripped up for ignoring the issues. And at this point, I don't care which one.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... g&refer=us

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:10 am

ChargerMike wrote: Harry Truman I tell you..where's a Harry Truman these days. Where does the buck stop?

There's more Harry Truman in GWB than you seem to know.

History will validate GWB, just as Harry Truman's legacy was also validated after he left office. People fucking hated Truman during his presidency, much like the idiots who rant here on a daily basis.

In the meantime, we'll have to listen to shortsighted dumbfucks who think they know something, when in reality, they don't know shit.

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:15 am

Mister Bushice wrote:There's too much money involved for either party to give up so easily. They will just dump their personal and party beliefs in the toilet, bend over and take whatever they have to take just to stay in power.

Rack.

Shit, where's that page stretching banner someone over at Freeperville used as a .sig, about not voting for either party.

anybody who votes for the republicans is a fool.

anybody who votes for the democrats is more of a fool.

on the one hand you've got the example of Ross Perot, who
did a great thing.. he tried to warn everybody, but nobody
in the MSM could get past those big ass ears. Those who
listened were blamed for getting Clinton in office.

on the other hand you've got the example of Ralph Nader,
who used to be a good man until he joined the Dark Side,
accepted money from the Republican Party to basically
screw over the Democrats by splitting the vote. Those who
were seduced by the Siren call of a Green Party being taken
seriously at the national level instead of concentrating on getting
Greens in locally and kicking ass that way -- instead of
scrutinizing just where Nader's money was coming from and
who he was really working for -- are rightfully blamed for
the current Bush administration.

so what do you do?

people want a third party. people want a real choice. they
just don't want to 'throw their vote away' and end up with
something worse.. which is where that stupid ass 'swallow
your principles and vote [my party] or you'll end up with
[their party]' nonsense comes in.

people are tired of 'best of two piles of shit', but people are
more scared of 'voting my conscious and ending up with
worse shit anyway'.

for those of use who don't leave our brains at the door and
just vote straight down the party line no matter who is actually
running and what they're really running on, what are we going to do?

or should we just wait for our Chinese Overlords to come down?

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:17 am

So are the Mexican flags they're waving made in China, like American flags? Or is that just the bumper stickers and lapel pins sold by the gross at Abu's Git-N-Go?

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:17 am

Martyred wrote:
BSmack wrote: This issue along with the quagmire in Iraq and our overdependence on oil are converging upon a decisive moment in American politics. Something is going to break.
You sound all Huey Newton today, but what you really mean is, "Vote Democrat '06 & '08"

^^^ prime example number one, martyred.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:47 pm

PSUFAN wrote:
We don't need any more busboys or lettuce pickers.
Horseshit. It's not as if blacks or whites will do that work.

In the US, we're not building factories, refineries, or good school systems, to take a few examples. Instead, we're building strip malls, where busboys will be required to pick up what remains of the lettuce. So basically, you couldn't be more wrong, shit-for-brains.

And if they came across the border slightly more credentialled, they are still moving from the 3rd world...and maybe if they starting taking work of the form you do, and drove the wages down, you would no longer find that low-compensating profession admirable or tolerable....

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:48 pm

ChargerMike wrote:...let's see, by last count I see we have exactly ONE freeking politician (Sensenbrenner) who has the balls to even address the illegal crisis with any sincerity. We can't even enforce the current laws on the books and these idiots in Washington are spending all their time trying to agree on new laws. What the hell good will it do? they won't lift a finger to enforce them!
Political suicide!

Actually, Tom Tancredo's pro-active stance on this subject puts Sensenbrenner to shame....

mothster · Post by **mothster** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:51 pm

War Wagon wrote:
ChargerMike wrote: Harry Truman I tell you..where's a Harry Truman these days. Where does the buck stop?
There's more Harry Truman in GWB than you seem to know.

History will validate GWB, just as Harry Truman's legacy was also validated after he left office. People fucking hated Truman during his presidency, much like the idiots who rant here on a daily basis.

In the meantime, we'll have to listen to shortsighted dumbfucks who think they know something, when in reality, they don't know shit.

truman's people didn't handle the macarther thing very well, thus he suffered

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:42 pm

The Seer wrote:
ChargerMike wrote:...let's see, by last count I see we have exactly ONE freeking politician (Sensenbrenner) who has the balls to even address the illegal crisis with any sincerity. We can't even enforce the current laws on the books and these idiots in Washington are spending all their time trying to agree on new laws. What the hell good will it do? they won't lift a finger to enforce them!
Political suicide!

Actually, Tom Tancredo's pro-active stance on this subject puts Sensenbrenner to shame....

...thanks Seer, this off Tancredo's site...

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Bravo

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:23 pm

That's the main problem with the Mexicans who are protesting. Their loyalty to Mexico has crossed a line. I dont' think that will change for many of them.

But - if we force them to become US citizens or leave, or at least force them to pay the taxes they aren't paying, we'll at least be better off with that financial boost.

Did you hear them calling for a walk out on May First? Not sure what group it was, but some mexican guy in a press conference on TV last night said something like "If Bush thinks we don't matter, we'll see on May first"

The trouble with these people is that they have guns, but no bullets. They think they have a power base, but they really don't. The bulk of the protesters are pimply faced numbnut teenagers who are jonesing for a day out of school but in reality they have no concept of what is going on. Most of the illegals won't protest out of fesar of deportation, and the Mexicans who get it won't leave work to protest.

However, this could easily leave to watts like riots if they continue to piss off loyal Americans by waving the mexican flag around defiantly.

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:03 am

Mister Bushice wrote:That's the main problem with the Mexicans who are protesting. Their loyalty to Mexico has crossed a line. I dont' think that will change for many of them.

But - if we force them to become US citizens or leave, or at least force them to pay the taxes they aren't paying, we'll at least be better off with that financial boost.

Did you hear them calling for a walk out on May First? Not sure what group it was, but some mexican guy in a press conference on TV last night said something like "If Bush thinks we don't matter, we'll see on May first"

The trouble with these people is that they have guns, but no bullets. They think they have a power base, but they really don't. The bulk of the protesters are pimply faced numbnut teenagers who are jonesing for a day out of school but in reality they have no concept of what is going on. Most of the illegals won't protest out of fesar of deportation, and the Mexicans who get it won't leave work to protest.

Rack all of this.

Except that the illegals have seen what has happened -- namely, NOTHING -- to those who have participated in these protests, and are now no longer afraid to come out.

The longer nothing is done, with no consequences, the more likely we'll see just how much of a severe undercount that '12 million illegal aliens' number really is.

And nothing will be done, because the rich folks and the middle class folks who want to live like rich folks want to keep their slave labor.

However, this could easily leave to watts like riots if they continue to piss off loyal Americans by waving the mexican flag around defiantly.

Not a chance.

The illegal aliens have the rich folks on their side.
I have no idea what any illegal alien is talking about
Bush not respecting them or whatever. Bush is the only
reason why they can continue to come here and flaunt
the law with nearly zero penalties.