rack the hawks over the wings in ot at the joe tonight

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:32 am

i'm not going babs, trust me. obviously the hawks are a joke, but tonight will probably be the only night they get over on the wings all season, so i thought i'd throw it out there. commence pile on.

fuck bill wirtz. war duncan keith shaping up and flying right.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:06 pm

Credit Khabibulin for playing well the last couple of weeks. That was off night for the Wings and they're in the second game of a 4-in-5 day stretch. The key was getting a point to put distance between them and Dallas and Nashville. Lazy effort by the guys but RACK #19 for passing Mario.

silkyjohnson13 · Post by **silkyjohnson13** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:17 pm

I cannot remember the last time i seen Lidstrom get beat on a play like that. That just don't happen very often.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:03 pm

Two more assists for Yzerman on Sunday...bad news for the rest of the NHL if #19 keeps this up. If he's got his old magic back in time for the postseason, I don't know how these guys can be stopped with the firepower they already have. Yzerman chipping in is only a bonus for this team.

JD · Post by JD » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:10 pm

Shoalzie wrote: I don't know how these guys can be stopped with the firepower they already have.

Watch tonight's game for an exhibition on how they're going to be stopped.

The Flames are playing their best hockey of the year right now. Ironic considering the kind of injuries they're playing through.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:18 pm

Don't want to put in any built in excuses already but clearly you have more to play for right now than the Wings do. They have a 5 point lead on Ottawa for the overall lead but the Sens have a game in hand and this'll be the Wings 4th game in 5 nights. You've got some seperation from the Avalanche...up 4 points with both of you having 8 games to go. I think for what's at stake for both teams...or the lack there of for the Wings...I'd expect the Flames to win tonight. If Babs can get the guys up for tonight's game, I'll give him full marks because the #1 seed in the West is pretty much sewn up. Believe me, I'd like to see the Wings finish the season with plenty of momentum but you guys need this one more than Detroit does.

JD · Post by JD » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:13 pm

You "don't want to put in any built in excuses" but then you go on for a whole paragraph about it?

This is the Flames' 4th game since Wednesday night, so they should be a bit worn down too. And the previous 3 games were huge games... if anything, I expect tonight to be a bit of a letdown from the previous ones.

Despite appearing to have more to play for right now, the Flames haven't changed their effort level from game #1. Like any game vs. the Flames, in October or now, the Wings will have to match their effort level to have a chance.

Billdong · Post by **Billdong** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:07 pm

Oh and someone pissed off Phaneuf......

Detroit wingers better watch out.. i dont think Phaneuf likes fancy guys.

OH.. and where is Al? I thought he would have been trolling for a week about this game.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:58 pm

JD wrote:You "don't want to put in any built in excuses" but then you go on for a whole paragraph about it?

Let's put it this way, I'm not betting on the Wings winning and losing the game doesn't mean a great deal considering the position they are in. I'd like to see the Wings win these pre-playoff matchups with top 8 teams in the West to keep them sharp. I don't want to see what happened in 2002 happen again...although everything ended well anyways. I would certainly like to see them fly to Calgary and beat you guys tonight but that doesn't mean doom for the playoffs if they don't...excuses aside, of course.

al? · Post by **al?** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:11 pm

JD wrote:
Shoalzie wrote: I don't know how these guys can be stopped with the firepower they already have.
Watch tonight's game for an exhibition on how they're going to be stopped.

I will be there tonight. And we will see what we will see.

Fuck the Hawks. Rack Stevie Y!

al? · Post by **al?** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:47 pm

Billdong wrote: OH.. and where is Al? I thought he would have been trolling for a week about this game.

I was out of country getting screwed twice by Chicago. Once in overtime on Friday and again with a 20 hour layover at O'Hare sunday.

seriously wack.

I agree with Shoalzie's analysis of this game. Not much point in getting into it with Calgary when 1st in conference is a lock.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:49 am

19 does it again...unbelievable.

silkyjohnson13 · Post by **silkyjohnson13** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:45 am

Shoalzie wrote:19 does it again...unbelievable.

Yes he does baby! Turnover and assist by none other, Pavel Datsyuk.

Perfect shootout... Great game.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:27 am

I give the Wings high marks for going 3-0-1 in that 4 game stretch when really not much was at stake. Babs deserves a lot of credit for how well he gets these guys to play every night. This team hasn't competed like this on a consistent since Bowman retired. They're plenty talented but the fact they can work and compete as hard as the grittier teams in the conference tells me that this team is for real. Add to the fact that this team has been so good on the road...I don't know where their weakness is right now. Tonight was the one time I wish they had an enforcer after Marchment tried to knee Zetterberg in the neutral zone during the third period. That guy will always be a chicken shit player and I don't know why he's still in the league.

silkyjohnson13 · Post by **silkyjohnson13** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:34 am

Calgary still scares me in the playoffs. Edmonton is another team that scares me with their speed.

That save Kiprusoft made on Zetterberg was sick.

And Marchment..You don't know how much that pissed me off. I was honestly hoping that Shanny would just come off the bench and whoop his ass. I guarentee that if he was on the ice when that happened he would have took exception to it. I almost forgot about Marchments reputation to stick that knee out, but it's no longer a lost memory.

al? · Post by **al?** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:25 am

silkyjohnson13 wrote: And Marchment..You don't know how much that pissed me off. I was honestly hoping that Shanny would just come off the bench and whoop his ass. I guarentee that if he was on the ice when that happened he would have took exception to it. I almost forgot about Marchments reputation to stick that knee out, but it's no longer a lost memory.

That is Sutter hockey. Washers and dryers slamming around hoping to create enough havoc to distract from their garbage style of play. Sure they finish their checks.....like bantams.....jumping into people.

bush

Shamefan.......you've got mail.

Billdong · Post by **Billdong** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:57 am

The point was good. Cant win every game, especially against a hot Yzerman team.

Havent seen the game (live in Sweden) so I cant comment on the Marchment hit.

JD · Post by JD » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:02 pm

Billdong wrote:Havent seen the game (live in Sweden) so I cant comment on the Marchment hit.

It wasn't necessarily dirty, mostly because he missed, but the reputation of Marchment preceeds him. When it happened I turned to my buddy and said, "I can't wait until that dirty prick is off our team.... but in a way, I like that the Wings have to keep looking the other way when he's out there".

And that, in a nutshell, is why he's in the league. He adds that other dimension of "you'd better watch yourself".

Not saying I agree with it, but that's why.

And if I were a Wings fan, I'd be livid that Marchment wasn't held accountable for it. If there's a playoff series between these two teams, Marchment was just given a license to continue playing that way.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:49 pm

JD wrote:And if I were a Wings fan, I'd be livid that Marchment wasn't held accountable for it. If there's a playoff series between these two teams, Marchment was just given a license to continue playing that way.

Like I said, that's why I said I wish the Wings had an enforcer right then and there. Shanahan going after him would've meant taking out their 6th defenseman and a top 6 forward for the Wings in a 1-1 in the third period...not really a justifiable trade-off considering Marchment didn't hit him. It's unfortunate but Datsyuk and Zetterberg are going to be targets unless someone rides shotgun with them. Both guys are bonafide stars in the league now and someone will take runs at them as long as the Wings play a cleaner brand of hockey. You'll never see them goon it up unless blatantly provoked.

JD · Post by JD » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:54 pm

Shoalzie wrote:Both guys are bonafide stars in the league now and someone will take runs at them as long as the Wings play a cleaner brand of hockey. You'll never see them goon it up unless blatantly provoked.

Yes, the Wings are definitely the white knights of the NHL.

moon · Post by **moon** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:20 pm

Billdong wrote:The point was good. Cant win every game, especially against a hot Yzerman team.

Havent seen the game (live in Sweden) so I cant comment on the Marchment hit.

It wasn't cheap at all. Marchment went for the big hit missed and they ended up hitting ankle on ankle. Had it been Chelios wings fans would have commented on what a warrior Chelios is and how he still makes guys scared when they come into the wings zone. Because it is Marchment guys are overreacting. Surprising coming from Wings fans who not long ago loved to cheer on one of if not the cheapest guys in the league.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:30 pm

JD wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:Both guys are bonafide stars in the league now and someone will take runs at them as long as the Wings play a cleaner brand of hockey. You'll never see them goon it up unless blatantly provoked.
Yes, the Wings are definitely the white knights of the NHL.

Are you calling them dirty? Fewest fighting majors and major penalties in the league and only 2 game misconducts and 6 misconducts all season...yeah, these guys are the Broad Street Bullies reincarnated...

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:32 pm

moon wrote:Had it been Chelios wings fans would have commented on what a warrior Chelios is and how he still makes guys scared when they come into the wings zone.

You know what people say when you assume...

You aren't giving us enough credit. Kneeing has no business in this game no matter who is doing it and what uniform he's wearing.

silkyjohnson13 · Post by **silkyjohnson13** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:33 pm

moon wrote:
Billdong wrote:The point was good. Cant win every game, especially against a hot Yzerman team.

Havent seen the game (live in Sweden) so I cant comment on the Marchment hit.
It wasn't cheap at all. Marchment went for the big hit missed and they ended up hitting ankle on ankle. Had it been Chelios wings fans would have commented on what a warrior Chelios is and how he still makes guys scared when they come into the wings zone. Because it is Marchment guys are overreacting. Surprising coming from Wings fans who not long ago loved to cheer on one of if not the cheapest guys in the league.

If it was just a big hit we wouldn't even be talking about it. When you stick on your knee, nothing good can come from that. Knee to knee usually causes serious injury, but luckily he missed him.

"Because it is Marchment guys are overreacting."
- That's because the guy has a history of making that same play, injuring guys. What more do you want?

JD · Post by JD » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:50 pm

Shoalzie wrote:Are you calling them dirty? Fewest fighting majors and major penalties in the league and only 2 game misconducts and 6 misconducts all season...yeah, these guys are the Broad Street Bullies reincarnated...

Hey now... don't go calling out moon for assuming and then do the same thing yourself.

I didn't say they're the Broad Street Bullies, nor did I even call them dirty. But remember: it's hockey. It's a rough game and all the teams try to gain a physical advantage. Don't go acting like the Wings play a different game. Besides, you have Chris Chelios on your team. One of the biggest hackers I've ever seen.

silkyjohnson13 · Post by **silkyjohnson13** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:01 pm

Chellios really doesn't play dirty these days, unless he's taking exception to somebody. Matt Schneider is probably the guy who lays out the most 2-handers for us. Who we really miss is Jiri Fischer. He would have been our only big, physical defensemen and he had a mean streak to him.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:06 pm

Cheli can still be chippy but you can't call the entire team dirty because of him. They've got a lot of yappy guys like Holmstrom, Maltby, Cleary, and Samuelsson but should be considered dangerous. With Fischer out all this time, they're an even softer team. I don't know if they can bullied out of the playoffs like they have been in the past but they aren't going to get into a physical series and expect to out-hit the other team. I've long believed that dressing a goon in your lineup is a waste of a roster spot but sometimes I wish the Wings still had Hatcher or McCarty around just to keep guys off the stars' backs. Shanahan is the only true fighter on the team and he's only gotten into a few scraps all year. Chelios doesn't fight...he just like to hack at guys and get under their skin.

Billdong · Post by **Billdong** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:10 pm

Shoalzie wrote:Cheli can still be chippy but you can't call the entire team dirty because of him. They've got a lot of yappy guys like Holmstrom, Maltby, Cleary, and Samuelsson but should be considered dangerous. With Fischer out all this time, they're an even softer team. I don't know if they can bullied out of the playoffs like they have been in the past but they aren't going to get into a physical series and expect to out-hit the other team. I've long believed that dressing a goon in your lineup is a waste of a roster spot but sometimes I wish the Wings still had Hatcher or McCarty around just to keep guys off the stars' backs. Shanahan is the only true fighter on the team and he's only gotten into a few scraps all year. Chelios doesn't fight...he just like to hack at guys and get under their skin.

Exactly why i think the Wings can be beaten in the playoffs... you wear them down... give them a couple cheap shots here or there and they will be taken off their game. Not saying giving cheap shots are good, but int he playoffs to help your team win, it is going to happen.

The wings have to hope to jump out to a quick 3 game lead on a team like Calgary or they willl be worn down... simple as that.

silkyjohnson13 · Post by **silkyjohnson13** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:20 pm

There's no question that we can be beaten in the playoffs. Anybody can be beaten. Teams like Calgary and Edmonton are going to be a handful for us. Should make for a good playoffs. It's been way too long since we've seen playoff hockey.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:18 pm

Billdong wrote:Exactly why i think the Wings can be beaten in the playoffs... you wear them down... give them a couple cheap shots here or there and they will be taken off their game. Not saying giving cheap shots are good, but int he playoffs to help your team win, it is going to happen.

The wings have to hope to jump out to a quick 3 game lead on a team like Calgary or they willl be worn down... simple as that.

At the same token, you can't just assume a team can beat on the Wings without the refs calling things the way they have all year. If you give the Wings a half-dozen power plays a game, they're bound to strike once or twice a game. The Wings thrive on puck possession and with the hooking and other stick infraction being called strictly, it'll come down to the goalie to stop their potent offense. You have to limit their shots and puck possession time because the less time they have the puck, the less chances they have of drawing penalties and putting pressure on the opposing defense and goalie. I've yet to see a team limit their chances, they're #1 in the NHL in shots on goal...it's usually the goalie who has had to keep them in the game. Not to sound like al? but Kiprusoff had to make 41 saves last night...just sayin'. Calgary didn't exactly shut them down...it was #34 keeping the puck out of the net. To Calgary's credit, they did shutout their power play...0-for-7.

JD · Post by JD » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:30 pm

I think the Wings were out to make a statement last night that they could hang with the physical teams and play that type of game. I think they succeeded in doing so. Granted the Flames were a little off after their emotional wins on the weekend, but the Wings deserve credit for ramping up their game.

SOG do not equal scoring chances, though, and I thought the Wings didn't have many even-strength chances at all, despite racking up 40-something shots. Their pp was very dangerous all night though.

As for the refereeing, you gotta remember, Shoalzie, that the teams that rely on physical play as part of their gameplan have also had to learn to play under these "new rules". They can keep calling things the way they have, and it'll make little difference.

But then again, when Steve Yzerman skates into your stick, that is apparently hooking. And if you're Tony Amonte and you're pissed about being taken out of the play, you're allowed to give a Rodney-King-style beating to the guy that took you out. The reffing last night was a little bit off. Hopefully that's not the standard.

moon · Post by **moon** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:35 pm

Shoalzie wrote:
moon wrote:Had it been Chelios wings fans would have commented on what a warrior Chelios is and how he still makes guys scared when they come into the wings zone.

You know what people say when you assume...

You aren't giving us enough credit. Kneeing has no business in this game no matter who is doing it and what uniform he's wearing.

Fair enough. I still don't think that it was a knee and that the main reason Wings fans are upset was that it was Marchment doing the hitting.

I guess with Marchment's rep though people are always going to assume the worst. Much like I would expect that Konstantinov was attempting to spear someone everytime he lifted his stick off the ice based on his past actions.

silkyjohnson13 · Post by **silkyjohnson13** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:45 pm

moon wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:
moon wrote:Had it been Chelios wings fans would have commented on what a warrior Chelios is and how he still makes guys scared when they come into the wings zone.

You know what people say when you assume...

You aren't giving us enough credit. Kneeing has no business in this game no matter who is doing it and what uniform he's wearing.
Fair enough. I still don't think that it was a knee and that the main reason Wings fans are upset was that it was Marchment doing the hitting.

I guess with Marchment's rep though people are always going to assume the worst. Much like I would expect that Konstantinov was attempting to spear someone everytime he lifted his stick off the ice based on his past actions.

And as a Wings fan, i'll tell you that you're absolutely wrong. If he lays a big hit, yeah he's a bastard but we can't complain about it, it's apart of the game. But as soon as you stick out that knee, i don't care who you are, we will be upset, and rightfully so.

moon · Post by **moon** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:50 pm

silkyjohnson13 wrote:
And as a Wings fan, i'll tell you that you're absolutely wrong. If he lays a big hit, yeah he's a bastard but we can't complain about it, it's apart of the game. But as soon as you stick out that knee, i don't care who you are, we will be upset, and rightfully so.

exactly but he didn't stick his knee out so you have nothing to complain about. It was a clean hit, not big because he missed, but clean none the less.

silkyjohnson13 · Post by **silkyjohnson13** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:53 pm

moon wrote:
silkyjohnson13 wrote:
And as a Wings fan, i'll tell you that you're absolutely wrong. If he lays a big hit, yeah he's a bastard but we can't complain about it, it's apart of the game. But as soon as you stick out that knee, i don't care who you are, we will be upset, and rightfully so.
exactly but he didn't stick his knee out so you have nothing to complain about. It was a clean hit, not big because he missed, but clean none the less.

Watch the tape again, it wasn't a clean hit. Zetterberg made a move around him and his leg came out.

moon · Post by **moon** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:57 am

I have seen the hit enough to know it was clean so I guess we will just have to disagree on this.

Marchment has been doing his job this year for the Flames well and has done it cleanly which makes it all the better for fans who were worried about his past antics.

silkyjohnson13 · Post by **silkyjohnson13** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:07 pm

Agree to disagree but i mean honestly if you think that was clean then you must be accustomed to some very dirty hockey. Sticking out your leg isn't clean. Even Calgary fans on this board said that if he wasn't on their team they'd have been upset about that play.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:45 pm

moon wrote:I have seen the hit enough to know it was clean so I guess we will just have to disagree on this.

The actual contact he made with Zetterberg was harmless...I'll fully acknowledge that. Given Marchment's reputation for doing what he's done in the past...I shouldn't be as shocked and upset what he tried to do. My blood boiled when it was one of my guys getting run at though...I won't deny that. I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to be hit but Marchment sticking out his knee is a dead giveaway that he was out to trip him or injure when you consider he's done it Modano and Weight and probably a few others in the past. I'm grateful Hank didn't get clipped so I'll let the incident go. Given the value of Zetterberg, I would've blown my top if he got hurt and missed the rest of the season. A play like that causes a fan to gasp because of what it could mean for their title hopes.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:35 am

silkyjohnson13 wrote:Ain't nothing like a Saturday at the BIG HOUSE

you're right. there's nothing i love more than seeing a game in a stadium that has the ambience of a fucking funeral.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:40 am

Screw_Michigan wrote:
silkyjohnson13 wrote:Ain't nothing like a Saturday at the BIG HOUSE
you're right. there's nothing i love more than seeing a game in a stadium that has the ambience of a fucking funeral.

Stay on topic, WolverineHater!

Sincerely,
the thread that was originally about about the Blackhawks