Canseco rats on McGwire and Giambi

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:32 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1985653

Giambi is already being villified enough but McGwire getting called out continues to make this whole era of the home run a bigger fraud by the day. It's a damn shame that baseball revived itself on the strength of a few juiced players.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 2:08 pm

You honestly believe that Canseco is telling the truth?

Dude has a major axe to grind.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:42 pm

MuchoBulls wrote:You honestly believe that Canseco is telling the truth?

Dude has a major axe to grind.

He was in the A's clubhouse...atleast he's not spreading rumors about other teams. It'll be interesting to see what McGwire has to say in response to this. Giambi has nothing to say since he's been outed already. He and McGwire were close friends when they played together in Oakland...I bet he defends Big Mac rather than go on the side of Jose.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:31 pm

I'm not a homer mcgwire defender. I'm a baseball fan first and foremost. As much as I hate the steroids in baseball, I know that Canseco will not be held as a credible source.

LaRussa is defending McGwire big-time, Jerry. LaRussa is not the type to stick his nose into other's affairs, but he leapt at the opportunity to defend McGwire against LaRussa. Tony sez that Mark was in the gym while Canseco was off spending beyond his means. I know personally that McGwire was a freak for the strictly monitored macrobiotic diet he kept while in town.

Jeff 2K5 · Post by **Jeff 2K5** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:56 pm

1987.......

1998.......

It does raise an eyebrow.......

helmet · Post by **helmet** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:59 pm

Skinny 1987 McGwire hit 49 HR.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:37 pm

helmet wrote:Skinny 1987 McGwire hit 49 HR.

Don't confuse the sheep with facts, bro.

U Cant · Post by **U Cant** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:13 pm

Jeff 2K5 wrote:1987.......

1998.......

It does raise an eyebrow.......

Let's do some "higher" math, shall we?

1998-1987=?... uhm.... okay... carry the 2 and...

Wow. Imagine that. Putting on about 30 lbs of lean muscle mass.... IN 11 YEARS. That's almost a whopping 3 lbs/year!!! Your take raises this :roll: kind of eyebrow.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:22 pm

U Cant wrote:
Jeff 2K5 wrote:1987.......

1998.......

It does raise an eyebrow.......
Let's do some "higher" math, shall we?

1998-1987=?... uhm.... okay... carry the 2 and...

Wow. Imagine that. Putting on about 30 lbs of lean muscle mass.... IN 11 YEARS. That's almost a whopping 3 lbs/year!!! Your take raises this :roll: kind of eyebrow.

Remember Bonds was skinny too when he broke in with Pittsburgh and now he's a hulk of a man...with the assistance of steriods (allegedly). McGwire does admit to using andro. I guess we'll never really know what he was on back then.

Big Mac is one of my all-time favorite players and believe me, I don't want to think of him as one of the juicers but if a lot of the stuff Canseco and others are saying is true...then we've been all dooped into thinking these guys were larger than life and not the cheaters that they truly were.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:38 am

U Cant wrote:
Jeff 2K5 wrote:1987.......

1998.......

It does raise an eyebrow.......
Let's do some "higher" math, shall we?

1998-1987=?... uhm.... okay... carry the 2 and...

Wow. Imagine that. Putting on about 30 lbs of lean muscle mass.... IN 11 YEARS. That's almost a whopping 3 lbs/year!!! Your take raises this :roll: kind of eyebrow.

Exactly. 30 pounds in 11 years is nothing. Now, if he went Lattimer and gained 30 pounds in the off season thats a diff story.

Funkywhiteboy · Post by **Funkywhiteboy** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:38 am

U Cant wrote:
Jeff 2K5 wrote:1987.......

1998.......

It does raise an eyebrow.......
Let's do some "higher" math, shall we?

1998-1987=?... uhm.... okay... carry the 2 and...

I was told when I joined this board that there would be no math.

:P

The Anomaly · Post by **The Anomaly** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:45 am

U Cant wrote:
Your take raises this :roll: kind of eyebrow.

You are fucking joking, right?

Is it your intention to say that McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds did NOT use steroids? Are you on the player's union staff? Otherwise, you're a fucking moron.

Bonds' BEST friend deals and he's innocent. <insert your emoticon here before the needle>

I hate homers more than anything. A great movie had it right.......

"They need to be corrected, sir......"

U Cant · Post by **U Cant** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:08 pm

The Anomaly wrote:Is it your intention to say that McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds did NOT use steroids?

Show me where I stated anything to that effect. Focus... dipshit. Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT try infer anything. You're wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too stupid to actually make an attempt at thinking.

My point is... showing pics of Mac that are 11 years apart and then implying dude had to have juiced in order have made such "significant changes" to his body is a piss poor take. You give me 11 years... and I could effectively train and morph a flabby JTR into a Muscle and Fitness cover guy. Don't think. You're not capable of it. Just focus.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:12 pm

Mace wrote:McGwire hit 49 homers in 1987 with an uppercut and tried to lift the ball out of the park. He was successful only because of his strength. His increased homerun output was largely due to a change in his swing mechanics after he realized that a downward swing path put backspin on the ball and that it would carry farther.

Babe Ruth had the same theory. It worked pretty well for his swing. And, unless there was andro in those hot dogs, I'm guessing the words "performance enhancing" and "Babe Ruth's diet" didn't intermingle.

The Anomaly · Post by **The Anomaly** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:24 pm

U Cant wrote:
The Anomaly wrote:Is it your intention to say that McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds did NOT use steroids?
Show me where I stated anything to that effect. Focus... dipshit. Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT try infer anything. You're wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too stupid to actually make an attempt at thinking.

My point is... showing pics of Mac that are 11 years apart and then implying dude had to have juiced in order have made such "significant changes" to his body is a piss poor take. You give me 11 years... and I could effectively train and morph a flabby JTR into a Muscle and Fitness cover guy. Don't think. You're not capable of it. Just focus.

Stupid, eh? I can only chuckle. You know little of me. I know that you are a freaking tard that melts non-stop. So, please.....keep going. It's funny.

chowd103 · Post by **chowd103** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:54 am

Chreeeiiist! :roll:

Dude said he was sorry.

Stop ripping this guy already, New York!

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:37 am

Here's what kills me about this whole issue. Fans die to hear what really goes on in the clubhouse and now when someone comes out and tells us we get pissed and say he's lying. Look at guys like Brady Anderson, Pudge, Caminiti, Juan Gonzalez, Palmiero, McGwire, etc.....the list goes on. Years ago a guy hits 35 home runs and he's a power hitter, now he's hitting 7th in the line up and playing 2B. Face it these guys juice. Whether it's with the needle or they've found someone to come up with something that's more difficult to detect they do it. Who's to say that Canseco isn't right?

Jeff 2K5 · Post by **Jeff 2K5** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:54 pm

U Cant wrote:
Jeff 2K5 wrote:1987.......

1998.......

It does raise an eyebrow.......
Let's do some "higher" math, shall we?

1998-1987=?... uhm.... okay... carry the 2 and...

Wow. Imagine that. Putting on about 30 lbs of lean muscle mass.... IN 11 YEARS. That's almost a whopping 3 lbs/year!!! Your take raises this :roll: kind of eyebrow.

Mac looked hulky in 92 simpleton. I just couldn't find a 92 pic of him. :roll:

Do you recall how he was battling injuries big time in 91 and then all of a sudden from that point on he seemed to stay completely healthy and continued to get bigger? Sure it could have been andro or something legal, all I said is it raises an eyebrow. He became huge at the same point in his career as Barry. Just sayin.

Everyone was comparing Barry with what he looked like in the late 80's and what he looked like in 2000-2001, same time period as I used with Mac eh? :roll:

Not saying Mac was on roids, because none of us here know. But it's interesting.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:57 pm

Jeff 2K5 wrote:Do you recall how he was battling injuries big time in 91 and then all of a sudden from that point on he seemed to stay completely healthy and continued to get bigger?

Whole lotta dumbass flying around today.

McGwire? Healthy?

Tears, Jerry...

Jeff 2K5 · Post by **Jeff 2K5** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:58 pm

rozy wrote:
Jeff 2K5 wrote:Do you recall how he was battling injuries big time in 91 and then all of a sudden from that point on he seemed to stay completely healthy and continued to get bigger?

Whole lotta dumbass flying around today.

McGwire? Healthy?

Tears, Jerry...

Healthy enough to hit 50+ and eventually 65+ jacks......... :roll:

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:04 pm

In how many games?

I have never heard Healthy and McGwire mentioned in the same sentence with a positive connotation. Thanks for the chuckles...

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:02 am

This woman will personally testify for McGwire.. He did not do Steroids!!

It was Flaxseed oil!!!

Pay no attention to that man's lack of penis!!

You Can't · Post by **You Can't** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:03 pm

Jeff 2K5 wrote:Mac looked hulky in 92 simpleton. I just couldn't find a 92 pic of him. :roll:

So... I'm supposed to know you're talking about '92 when right in your post it reads "1998"? You typed it in, did you not? Fuck you, not me, for not finding a 1992 pic. Good God.

Jeff 2K5 wrote:Do you recall how he was battling injuries big time in 91 and then all of a sudden from that point on he seemed to stay completely healthy and continued to get bigger? Sure it could have been andro or something legal, all I said is it raises an eyebrow. He became huge at the same point in his career as Barry. Just sayin.

No... I don't recall that. I hate the AL and don't follow the JC. This much I do know... Roids don't make you stay healthy. If anything... it's the opposite. If you insist dude started injecting himself in the late 80s/early 90s then stayed healthy for a few years BECAUSE OF ROIDS... then you have just KYOA. Roids are the root of major ligament injuries (because the muscles grow disproportionately faster than the surrounding tissues) and also kidney/liver/heart problems. Yeah you get huge... but it fucks up the rest of your body pretty quickly.

Jeff 2K5 wrote:Not saying Mac was on roids, because none of us here know.

I highly doubt he ever juiced. In the locker room... in front of the world, dude was openly sucking down andro pills in larger quantities than you swill manjuice... and that's saying something. You may view this as splitting hairs, as andro is a testosterone precursor and the equivalent of a low-grade anabolic steroid... but I say WTF... it was legal AT THE TIME and dude never did anything wrong.

Jeff 2K5 wrote:But it's interesting.

Not really. The only thing I found interesting in this whole thread is you ignorance about the side effects of juicing... oh yeah, and how in the heck ANYONE is supposed to infer that when you type in the year "1998" and hit the submit button... you're really referencing 1992.