Get used to being in opposition gLiberal supporters, you'll be there a long time. To add insult to injury the NDP is going to pass you after the next election.Liberals cooked books on gun registry: auditor
CAMPBELL CLARK
Globe and Mail Update
Ottawa — Federal officials engaged in a frantic search for legal loopholes to jiggle the books in 2004 so that the controversial gun registry would not exceed spending caps yet again, after their briefings for Liberal ministers changed their plan to ask Parliament for more money, Auditor-General Sheila Fraser reported today.
The revelations that the government sought ways to delay reporting sizable sums is likely to add to controversy surrounding the registry — just as the Conservative government plans to use the timing to push through its plan to scrap the registry of rifles and shotguns.
Although all the spending was eventually recorded, the government twice broke accounting rules by pushing sizable amounts in the next year to avoid breaking the spending limits they had promised Parliament — once during the tenure of former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, and another time under his successor, Paul Martin.
In the second case, as Mr. Martin's government was preparing to call an election in early 2004, officials at the Canadian Firearms Centre warned they were going to exceed their authorized spending, and needed Parliament to authorize more money.
But after senior government officials briefed Liberal ministers — Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan was responsible for the registry at the time — the government decided not to ask Parliament for more money, but instead asked accountants and lawyers to find a way to shift $21.8-million in costs to the next fiscal year.
Ms. Fraser called that "very, very serious." "Our whole system relies on the fact that Parliament authorizes a certain amount of expenditure within a year," she told reporters.
A 2002 report by Ms. Fraser sparked heightened calls for the registry to be scrapped when she reported that the costs of the gun-control program would balloon beyond the government's initial spending plans to about $1-billion by 2005, and that the Canadian Firearms Centre had misreported the costs, making it impossible for Parliament to control.
She reported today that the Centre, which issues licenses for owners and registrations for each gun cost $946-million between 1995 and 2005, roughly $100-million a year.
Although the Auditor-General found that the Centre had in general made "satisfactory" improvement on reporting on the costs of the centre, she cited two major instances of cost overruns for a new computer system as examples of moves that misinformed Parliament.
Ms. Fraser reported that the new management of the Centre that came in when Firearms Commissioner Bill Baker was appointed in 2003 has rectified a lot of mismanagement, but the Centre still takes too long to process applications, and doesn't know how many of its records have outdated addresses or incorrect names.
It also does not adequately verify transfers to new owners or the description of the registered firearms — information crucial to making the registry useful for tracking guns.
Ms. Fraser's 2002 report had made gun registry spending controversial — placing pressure on the government to stick to its promised limits.
A $39-million "error" made during Mr. Chrétien's tenure allowed the registry to stay within the maximum $100-million spending that then-justice minister Martin Cauchon promised for the 2002-03 fiscal year. Mr. Cauchon had made that promise after MPs balked at approving more money for the registry.
Ms. Fraser reported that there were no records of why the Justice Department made such a large error in such a routine accounting matter — recording the costs of contracts signed for additional work needed on the second automated registry system.
Fixing the $39-million error the next fiscal year, 2003-04, meant that the gun registry then faced a financial squeeze. After Mr. Martin's government took power in December, 2003, the Centre faced cost overruns on its new computer system caused by delays in passing new legislation — and the $21.8-million cost was going to exceed the limit set by Parliament. But the Liberal government decided it did not want to ask for more money in "supplementary estimates."
"In February 2004, as the deadline for Supplementary Estimates was approaching, senior officials briefed ministers. It was decided that Supplementary Estimates were not desirable," Ms. Fraser's report states. "At the same time, [Treasury Board] officials were asked to look for an accounting treatment that would avoid having to record all of the [computer-system] costs in 2003-04…."
Ms. Fraser said it was not clear from officials' e-mails which ministers were briefed. Ms. McLellan, also deputy prime minister, was responsible for the gun registry, and Reg Alcock was Treasury Board President.
When the accountants said it could not be done, lawyers were asked to find a way — although the government refused to waive solicitor-client privilege so that Ms. Fraser could report what they advised. At any rate, the Auditor-General concluded their decision broke accounting rules, the Financial Administration Act, and possibly the standing orders of the House of Commons.
Ms. Fraser's officials said there was no written record of which ministers were briefed in February, 2004, or whether they instructed officials to use the improper accounting method. The official decision was made Mr. Baker.
gLiberals cooked gun registry books...
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gLiberals cooked gun registry books...
...says the Auditor General's report.
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There are more guns in the hands of criminals today then there ever was, and a proven corrupt government 'Cooked The Book$.
What do you suppose is going through the minds of every Canadian after reading that?
Federal Liberal Poli_Po$ers should be randomly executed just on principle.
If the Government of New Canada would give me immunity from prosecution, I have 3 loaded unregistered guns, will travel, and am willing to do the public service.
What do you suppose is going through the minds of every Canadian after reading that?
Federal Liberal Poli_Po$ers should be randomly executed just on principle.
If the Government of New Canada would give me immunity from prosecution, I have 3 loaded unregistered guns, will travel, and am willing to do the public service.
Am I wrong...God, I hope so.
From - http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... istry.html
The story is from the Liberals personal website too...
A headless chicken just got the feet knocked out from under it....
Wow..... good registry...... I feel so much safer now!Firearms' whereabouts unknown
The centre also doesn't know what happened to 62 per cent of the firearms owned by people whose licences were revoked between July and October 2005.
Fraser highlighted weaknesses in the Canada-wide network of volunteers who verify people's firearms. She said no one does background checks on the volunteers, nor are audits done on the quality of their work.
The story is from the Liberals personal website too...
A headless chicken just got the feet knocked out from under it....
Ya, let's use the Harpotards idea of gun control and just not bother registering any firearms.. that'll make everyone feel a lot safer...
But Fraser said the CFC has made satisfactory progress in implementing the 2002 recommendation on financial reporting, except in recording the costs of developing a new information system.
The federal government is expected to move as quickly as possible to scrap the gun registry.
Many Tories believe they have the public's blessing to dismantle it, but support for the registry runs high in Quebec and the country's biggest cities, areas where the Conservatives want to build support.
Dump it....
Cleary the only people being affected are Farmers... so they can only have 2 guns instead of 5.
I dont know the numbers, but i am quessing that nearly all murders will be comitted by non-registered guns...
If it is working so well, why was last year called "the year of the gun" in Toronto.
Honestly, I am no programmer but it shouldnt cost 90 million to make a computer program that works...
GET RID OF THE FUCKER.. cut your losses... and spend the money saved on improving police/border patrol.
Cleary the only people being affected are Farmers... so they can only have 2 guns instead of 5.
I dont know the numbers, but i am quessing that nearly all murders will be comitted by non-registered guns...
If it is working so well, why was last year called "the year of the gun" in Toronto.
Honestly, I am no programmer but it shouldnt cost 90 million to make a computer program that works...
GET RID OF THE FUCKER.. cut your losses... and spend the money saved on improving police/border patrol.
it is not worthwhile....you need to scrap it.
Look at the risk/benefit ratio in regards to homicides due to guns...
Does the 2 homicides per 100,000 people in Canada in 2004 warrent 2 Billion dollars??
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal02.htm
Or the fact that roughly 30% of those were by shootings....
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal01.htm
so.. doing the math... (2/100,000) X 100% = 0.002% of the population murdered
multiply that by the percentage of those by guns...
0.00002 X 0.3 X 100% = 0.0006% of the population killed by guns.
That is not a very good risk/benefit ratio for registering guns....
It is kind of like making every single person with an appendix undergo a screening test for acute appendicitis. Make that screening program cost over 1 Billion dollars, hide a few million here or there, and not really save any lives and you have the Gun registry.
Look at the risk/benefit ratio in regards to homicides due to guns...
Does the 2 homicides per 100,000 people in Canada in 2004 warrent 2 Billion dollars??
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal02.htm
Or the fact that roughly 30% of those were by shootings....
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal01.htm
so.. doing the math... (2/100,000) X 100% = 0.002% of the population murdered
multiply that by the percentage of those by guns...
0.00002 X 0.3 X 100% = 0.0006% of the population killed by guns.
That is not a very good risk/benefit ratio for registering guns....
It is kind of like making every single person with an appendix undergo a screening test for acute appendicitis. Make that screening program cost over 1 Billion dollars, hide a few million here or there, and not really save any lives and you have the Gun registry.
Perhaps you haven't seen the numbers where the gun registry proves it does work given that the number of long arm gun (remember this is what the gun registry we are currently talking about is) murders are down since its inception.
But hey, if it's money that takes priority over human life then, why stop there eh?
Let's just do away with the sex offender registry.
Let's do away with registering our cars too..
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But hey, if it's money that takes priority over human life then, why stop there eh?
Let's just do away with the sex offender registry.
Let's do away with registering our cars too..
:roll:
Well.... Criminal code traffic offences are at 372 / 100,000 AFTER having vehicle registration... therefore there is a benefit to this...
The Sex offender registry is on a smaller scale..... It is only cataloging those accused/charged with sex offences... pretty cheap to do that.
Overall.... the money could be better spent elsewhere... saving lives...
Take the One Billion and spread it over impaired driving campaigns (248/100,000 caught), assaults (731.8/100,000) and gun safety..... you would save more lives than some bloated gun-registry and probably still have a tonne of money left over.
People are going to die..... as a government you have to do what is in your means to minimize that.... to spend one billion dollars and save a handful of people is retarded when that 1 billion could go to other things... like cancer research, AIDS research, etc etc etc...
A gross misappropriation of funds, that is purely for votes..
The Sex offender registry is on a smaller scale..... It is only cataloging those accused/charged with sex offences... pretty cheap to do that.
Overall.... the money could be better spent elsewhere... saving lives...
Take the One Billion and spread it over impaired driving campaigns (248/100,000 caught), assaults (731.8/100,000) and gun safety..... you would save more lives than some bloated gun-registry and probably still have a tonne of money left over.
People are going to die..... as a government you have to do what is in your means to minimize that.... to spend one billion dollars and save a handful of people is retarded when that 1 billion could go to other things... like cancer research, AIDS research, etc etc etc...
A gross misappropriation of funds, that is purely for votes..
Well in that case, let's just cut out that 15 billion headed for the military to use for equipment on attacking other nations and put it to good use saving lives..
Afterall, it doesn't matter how much or how good their equipment is, people are going to die... let's minimize that gross misappropriation of funds.
Afterall, it doesn't matter how much or how good their equipment is, people are going to die... let's minimize that gross misappropriation of funds.
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Otis Wrote:
Ya, let's use the Harpotards idea of gun control and just not bother registering any firearms.. that'll make everyone feel a lot safer...
Effective gun use laws were written long before gun reg came along, unfortunated they were and still are being mostly ignored by the courts.
Going after the law abiding only makes libby sense; ridding this country of the kid glove libby mentality when it comes to crime and punishment is the real ticket.
Do the crime...Do the time.
RACK HARPER.
Am I wrong...God, I hope so.