What do you make of this?

[poptart]

But the evidence is pretty clear that your hero was a Christian.

Christian .. ?

Not.


Fervently anti-Jew ... ?

Certainly.


Masterful propagandist ... ?

Of course.


Evil ... ?

OH yeah.



Don't be a simpleton.

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

A. He's not my hero.

B. You're a fucking moron who can't recognize even the most sophomoric propaganda when it sticks it's foot up your ass.

A. Why not? Plenty of your kind still idolize him even though he failed.

B. Feel free to refute any & all "sophomoric propaganda" at your leisure. Just try to do a little better than "Because I said so."

[PSUFAN]

Of course he was intelligent enough to make use of boilerplate rhetoric to manipulate people

Well, that's not something that he alone engaged in. You can sit back and say that he was not truly acting as a Christian, but the same would have to be said for Pat Robertson, Richard the Lionhearted, and Osama bin Laden. All of these folks manipulated their followers with the use of boilerplate rhetoric.

[Diogenes]

Deciding which was more barbarous over the years - Christianity or Islam - is tantamount to splitting hairs. There are so many atrocities to choose from on both accounts.

If you are relying on historical precedent to enhance your pride in your reputed beliefs, then you're in trouble, regardless of what flag's sewn onto your sleeve.

The differance, of course, is that so called 'christian' atrocieties had nothing to do with Christianity, while Muslim ones were a logical application of Islam. But of course both pale before the record of the atheists.

Are you trying to state that the Spanish Inquisition was anything other than theological? Peter the Hermit wasn't attempting to lead a theological crusade against the Jews?

No, Peter (along with Urban) was attempting to liberate lands subjegated by the Muslims. Emicho of Flonheim and others decided to attack the Jews (being closer at hand and having all that 'hidden wealth' and all) for mainly secular purposes also, namely taking all their money. And no, the Spainish inquisition had nothing to do with spreading the Gospel, it was a logical outcome of the secularization of the papacy.

BTW, your attempts to portray Nazism as being Christian are absurd, their only religions were German Nationalism and Socialism, and as for atheist non-communist body counts, start with the French Revolution.

[Diogenes]

Of course he was intelligent enough to make use of boilerplate rhetoric to manipulate people

Well, that's not something that he alone engaged in. You can sit back and say that he was not truly acting as a Christian, but the same would have to be said for Pat Robertson, Richard the Lionhearted, and Osama bin Laden. All of these folks manipulated their followers with the use of boilerplate rhetoric.

Actually OBL is following Islam to its logical conclusion, it being a theology of conquest and all. Richard I didn't need boilerplate rhetoric to manipulate his followers, there actually were Islamic invaders in the Holy Land. I'm not that familiar with this Robertson guy, who all is he supposed to have killed again?

[tough love]

What the Muslims, and Adolf Hitler say, must be true.

Priceless Idiots

S Wrote:
I'm not the one attacking someone for stating the facts about a religions beliefs. That is you.

Misinterpret Much???

I am not attacking you for stating what you choose to believe to be the facts, I am simply saying -> that which they believe is full of pig crap.

Humankind needs to put aside the history argument right quick and pay attention to their present time.
Murdering twisted mussie satan fuc_tools are just getting started.

[poptart]

Humankind needs to put aside the history argument right quick and pay attention to their present time.
Murdering twisted mussie satan fuc_tools are just getting started.

I'll RACK to that.

[SunCoastSooner]

What the Muslims, and Adolf Hitler say, must be true.

Priceless Idiots

S Wrote:
I'm not the one attacking someone for stating the facts about a religions beliefs. That is you.

Misinterpret Much???

I am not attacking you for stating what you choose to believe to be the facts, I am simply saying -> that which they believe is full of pig crap.

Humankind needs to put aside the history argument right quick and pay attention to their present time.
Murdering twisted mussie satan fuc_tools are just getting started.

#1 quit putting words in my mouth and I'll take my dick out of yours. I didn't state a damn thing as to what I believe. I stated what the Qu'ran itself states and what the Islamic religion believes. Like I said you have problem with it oh flipping well. Their beliefs are about as nutty as a virgin birth, a Son/Sun God, and Paul being the supreme authority of Jesus (which the vast majority of Christianity doesn't even realize wasn't his name at all) a man he never met. I also know multiple muslims here in America in a number of different communities and the vast majority of them have the same opinon as we do concerning the Palesteinians. Shoot 'em. There is a reason these people weren't brought into other Islamic countries. The Palesteinians were given a country even before the Jews were (Jordan) and the people who aren't there now were the trouble makers thsat their own relatives didn't want.

If you want to complain about Mussie fuckstains in today's world we have a Politics forum right down the hall take it there; this is a theology forum where we discuss religion, religious beliefs, theological concepts and historical religious issues not modern day delimas concerning political motivations, practices, war, ect..

Like I said just because your not sending your children to blow others up doesn't mean you are any more accepting, forgiving, open minded, or correct in religious or theological matters than mussie. As far as the principles and and morals of the Christian religion I would like to say you are about one of the poorest examples of such a person who claims to practice of the religion I have ever met but you're not. You're right on par with Pat Roberts, Billy Graham, and the nutcase from San Antonio whose name escapes me now. For a people who aren't supposed to judge others but leave that to God, turn the other cheek, ect. you sure are the most judgemental people outside of the Islamic religion on earth. The two of you are peas in a pod as far as I am concerned. The only difference between the two is that Christianity has had about 650+ years longer to evolve.

I can atleast somewhat expect and respect what mvscal says as he is an atheist and therefore shouldn't be held to the same standards. That's on him either he will answer for this or he won't but it won't be to either of us.

[PSUFAN]

Hitler and National Socialism understood the role of Christianity in Germany, and were at great pains to incorporate Christian symbols, leaders, and identity into their pantheon. It appears that Hitler was bent on remaking the German Church, but at no point did he appear to be interested in abandoning it.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

True. Hitler was also non-plussed with Himmler's screwball occultism.

Nazi Germany may have been a prototype of the New Age Religious nation.

^^^^^^^^
...not a good thing.

[PSUFAN]

The swastika is a Christian symbol? Pan-German racialism is a Christian identity?

The answers for most nazis were yes and yes. It hardly matters whether your evaluation of their beliefs would jibe.

Hitler made use of Christianity because he needed it. It was to play no role in his long term goals.

I don't necessarily disagree...but I do think your estimation of the role of Christianity in the Third Reich is off. There was no hurry to dismantle the Church, only a willingness to recast it according to Nazi principles.

And, really, how distant from Nazi principles was Martin Luther?

[tough love]

Sunshine, are you working over time at being ignorant, or does it just come natural to you?

I am simply saying -> that which they believe is full of pig crap.

Get it through your over-inflated head, I honest to God don't care what you think.

Seriously, Obsessed Boy, you need to seek help now.

[SunCoastSooner]

Hitler and National Socialism understood the role of Christianity in Germany, and were at great pains to incorporate Christian symbols, leaders, and identity into their pantheon. It appears that Hitler was bent on remaking the German Church, but at no point did he appear to be interested in abandoning it.

The swastika is a Christian symbol? Pan-German racialism is a Christian identity? Which Christian leader was incorporated into the Nazi pantheon?

Don't confuse short term exediency with long term planning. Hitler made use of Christianity because he needed it. It was to play no role in his long term goals.

You are only proving my point mvscal, thanks. I don't really care whether or not Hitler himself was a Christian but you have gone on and on the last page of this thread contradicting your original statement directed towards me. Hitler did use Christianity as a way to the means for his plans. Whether or not he personaly practiced the the religion or not is besides the point. He used Christian fanatacism in Germany to solidfy his plans, period, end of story.

[SunCoastSooner]

Sunshine, are you working over time at being ignorant, or does it just come natural to you?

I am simply saying -> that which they believe is full of pig crap.

Get it through your over-inflated head, I honest to God don't care what you think.

Seriously, Obsessed Boy, you need to seek help now.

And what makes you think that they or I care what you think.

You go out of your way to try and get a rise out of me because I have different beliefs in God than you do. Get over it. I don't try and change your mind and before this thread I have never belittled your beliefs. I accept them and respectfully disagree, make my point, and move on. I suggest you do the same. The only reason I belittled the Christian religion in this thread is to prove a point. As I have stated numerous times I have a great deal of admiration towards the morals and values that Christianity espouses, which was the purpose of Jesus' message to mankind.

You really believed you had me by the balls earlier in this thread which is what I find most sad. I led you like an old farmer does to his mule with a carrot dangling in front of their moronic ass; such a long walk off a short cliff for you was inevitable.

I am just about the the only, if not the only, non christian who can be quoted of this forum or any other (specifically Cul de Smack and the Poli board) who has gone out of their way to defend Christianity in America's right to worship as they see fit so long as it doesn't physically harm someone. I have been on record multiple times on numerous different issues as to my belief in the United States' Constitutions "Freedom of religion and not freedom from religion.

Dio: I think you seriously need to google Peter the Hermit!!! The vast majority of his actions occured not in the Holy Land but in Europe itself; christian lands that had never been subjugated. Peter and his band of raving lunatic, nutcase, christians no more than barely set foot in the Holy Land when the mussies made him and his people little more than a stain in the sand. They were so used to ass pounding defenseless non Christians in Europe that when they faced an organized military they got the same treatment that they had dealt so many others on their journey to the Holy Land.

[SunCoastSooner]

They were German fanatics not Christian fanatics, dumbfuck.

What part of "Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Führer" are you struggling to comprehend?

The Germans were Christians what part of that is so difficult for you to understand?

Your statement, the Nazi slogan, is just as much propaganda as all his other statements.

The Palesteinians claim that their cause is a political one and not a theological one as well but they are still lumped together in the same group as other mussie fuckstain terrorists. Does this mean their cause is any better or any less detrimental or an less theologicaly based? Jesus man for someone always telling people to open their eyes and use some common sense you sure are lacking in the catagory yourself.

[SunCoastSooner]

Throughout history? Yes. Today? No. But overall throughout history the Christian religion has been the bloodiest of just about any I can think of.

How do you suppose that Islam has spread from the Arabian Peninsula to Indonesia, Europe, the Atlantic coast of Africa and all points in between?

Not to simply side track what this thread has become but I thought I would return to this point.

You do realize that not all of of Islams spread has occured by way of warfare right? Not even during Muhammad's time was all of the spread through warfare. Infact just as much of it's spread has been through evangical works and and Arab/Islamic/Muslim treaties, especially during Muhammad's time.arried multiple wives and made pece with other Bedouins while converting them. Christians simply focus on his warlike tendancies while ignoring it from their own leaders. Much as you do.

[tough love]

S Wrote:
And what makes you think that I care what you think.

Your desperate essay like attempts to seek my understanding, approval or sympathy concerning your stupidity for one, which I can't be bothered to read.

Save it for your heathen following, Pig.

[Diogenes]

Dio: I think you seriously need to google Peter the Hermit!!!

Maybe you should try cracking a book!!!

This one is pretty good...



Pages 10-20 of the first edition, to be precise.

But if you like google....

Contemporary sources.

Wikipedia page.

Page on Emichio.

I missed the part about The Hermit 'leading a theological crusade asgainst the Jews'.



You might want to just bail on this one.

[SunCoastSooner]

S Wrote:
And what makes you think that I care what you think.

Your desperate essay like attempts to seek my understanding, approval or sympathy concerning your stupidity for one, which I can't be bothered to read.

Save it for your heathen following, Pig.

Desperate essay. Keep trying dumbass.

[SunCoastSooner]

Dio: I think you seriously need to google Peter the Hermit!!!

Maybe you should try cracking a book!!!

This one is pretty good...



Pages 10-20 of the first edition, to be precise.

But if you like google....

Contemporary sources.

Wikipedia page.

Page on Emichio.

I missed the part about The Hermit 'leading a theological crusade asgainst the Jews'.



You might want to just bail on this one.

What a shock that all of your links ignores all his actions in Germany, Austria, and various other european locals.

He did so, and in the first half of 1096 he gathered an army, which arrived at Speyer in May.

I guess you can call it a "gathering" considering he attempted to kill the entire Jewish population of Speyer on the Sabbath as they gathered to worship. This after the NOble of the area and the Archbishop encouraged Jews to move there and promised protection.

Better yet maybe you should attempt to read your own links that you provide they are rather enlightening...

Emicho, or his followers in separate groups, also went to Worms, Mainz, Cologne, Trier, and Metz, where they forcibly converted the Jewish communities, and massacred those who resisted. Eight hundred Jews were killed at Worms alone. Peter the Hermit's mob massacred communities in other cities as well.

Or hey those little blue words on wikipedia they represent links, dio. Maybe you should have clicked on the one for Metz...

In the spring of 1096, Metz became one of the scenes of the Rhineland massacres of non-Christians as Count Emicho of Fionheim gathered followers for the First Crusade. A group of these crusaders entered Metz, forcibly converting Jewish families, and killing those who resisted baptism.

Hey lets even use different sources...
http://www.davidsconsultants.com/jewish ... dyear=1099
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/c ... ades02.htm

What another shocker that all of your contemporary sources are all fellow Christians

The Turks soon followed the retreating People's Crusade into Byzantine territory, and in Peter's absence the pilgrims were ambushed and cut to pieces in detail by the Turks. Despite Peter's pronunciations of divine protection, the vast majority of the pilgrims were slaughtered by the swords and arrows of the Turks, or were enslaved.

So how did that Divine protection work out for ya there, Peter?

Sounds like just deserts to me.

As I stated and confirmed by your own links. Peter da Hermit barely even made his way into the "Holy Land" before his little army of Christian nutcases were made stains in the sand. The mussies weren't the same pushovers as defenseless Jews, women, and children in Germany, Austria, and the Balkans.

Feel free to continue to KYOA Dio.

[Diogenes]

As I stated and confirmed by your own links. Peter da Hermit barely even made his way into the "Holy Land" before his little army of Christian nutcases were made stains in the sand.

Actually what you stated was that Peter was 'leading a theological crusade against the Jews'.

And none of your obsfucations, out of context quotes or websites do anything to back that up.

[tough love]

S Wrote:
Keep trying dumbass.

Nah; I packed in the pearls before swine thang a long time ago.

Out of love I would suggest that you give it a rest and stop trying so hard to convince yourself of that which I doubt even you truely believe.
Pride will only bring you more harm to this mess which you have made for yourself.
Do your better self a favor and stop taking everything that mv say's so literally...You need to stop fucking yourself, douchebag. :wink:


Just a thought...Free will makes it your call.

[SunCoastSooner]

S Wrote:
Keep trying dumbass.

Nah; I packed in the pearls before swine thang a long time ago.

Out of love I would suggest that you give it a rest and stop trying so hard to convince yourself of that which I doubt even you truely believe.
Pride will only bring you more harm to this mess which you have made for yourself.
Do your better self a favor and stop taking everything that mv say's so literally...You need to stop fucking yourself, douchebag. :wink:


Just a thought...Free will makes it your call.

I am perfectly at peace with what I believe TL. It's one of the reasons I accepted moderating this forum. I've been discussing theology on the net since long before I even came to the Troll boards. Don't believe ask BtH. My thoughts on religion and theology eveolve as I get older.

The fact that this is your thought process only tells me that this is what you think of yourself because I have never given any indication of it applying to me. Thanks for outing yourself.

Dio: do what you are always telling everyone else to do and read between the lines. Peter spent more time attcking Jews in Europe than he did even traveling to the Holy Land.

[tough love]

S Wrote:
I am perfectly at peace with what I believe TL. It's one of the reasons I accepted moderating this forum. I've been discussing theology on the net since long before I even came to the Troll boards. Don't believe ask BtH. My thoughts on religion and theology eveolve as I get older.

The fact that this is your thought process only tells me that this is what you think of yourself because I have never given any indication of it applying to me. Thanks for outing yourself.

I was referring to your "Nazi's were/are Christians" garbage, but i'm not surprised that you didn't let that stop you from being the self-absorbed gasbag.

Keep 'em coming.

[SunCoastSooner]

S Wrote:
I am perfectly at peace with what I believe TL. It's one of the reasons I accepted moderating this forum. I've been discussing theology on the net since long before I even came to the Troll boards. Don't believe ask BtH. My thoughts on religion and theology eveolve as I get older.

The fact that this is your thought process only tells me that this is what you think of yourself because I have never given any indication of it applying to me. Thanks for outing yourself.

I was referring to your "Nazi's were/are Christians" garbage, but i'm not surprised that you didn't let that stop you from being the self-absorbed gasbag.

Keep 'em coming.

As I and others have already shown in this thread... The Nazis at the very least used Christian fanatacism to aid their cause. The fact that you can't accept this is very telling about your own strength of faith, not mine.

[Diogenes]

Peter spent more time attcking Jews in Europe than he did even traveling to the Holy Land.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

I guess you can call it a "gathering" considering he attempted to kill the entire Jewish population of Speyer on the Sabbath as they gathered to worship. This after the NOble of the area and the Archbishop encouraged Jews to move there and promised protection.

From your own link...

1096 May 3, EMICHO (Emico), COUNT OF LEININGEN (Germany) On his way to join the Crusade led by Peter the Hermit, he attacked the synagogue at Speyer. The Jews defended themselves but were systematically slain. Until this time atrocities in Europe were sporadic. From here on in they became organized and frequent, and Jewish martyrdom began in earnest. (It should be remembered that the atrocities committed by the rampaging crusaders were not always supported by the local burghers and bishops. Furthermore, in many countries - especially the Slavic states - the local Christian community suffered from pillages as well. John, bishop of Speyer even called out his army after 11 Jews were killed in a riot, but he was an exception rather than the rule. Approximately 5,000 Jews were murdered in Germany in 1096.)

Blaming the pograms on Peter and Urban is just idiotic, and you have yet to show where that was a goal of those who originated the Crusades.

[SunCoastSooner]

Peter spent more time attcking Jews in Europe than he did even traveling to the Holy Land.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

I guess you can call it a "gathering" considering he attempted to kill the entire Jewish population of Speyer on the Sabbath as they gathered to worship. This after the NOble of the area and the Archbishop encouraged Jews to move there and promised protection.

From your own link...

1096 May 3, EMICHO (Emico), COUNT OF LEININGEN (Germany) On his way to join the Crusade led by Peter the Hermit, he attacked the synagogue at Speyer. The Jews defended themselves but were systematically slain. Until this time atrocities in Europe were sporadic. From here on in they became organized and frequent, and Jewish martyrdom began in earnest. (It should be remembered that the atrocities committed by the rampaging crusaders were not always supported by the local burghers and bishops. Furthermore, in many countries - especially the Slavic states - the local Christian community suffered from pillages as well. John, bishop of Speyer even called out his army after 11 Jews were killed in a riot, but he was an exception rather than the rule. Approximately 5,000 Jews were murdered in Germany in 1096.)

Blaming the pograms on Peter and Urban is just idiotic, and you have yet to show where that was a goal of those who originated the Crusades.

Emico was under the guidance of Peter and Peter hadn't reached the Holy Land or even Constantinople yet for that matter. Peter took a different route and as the same link shows Dio committed his own attrocities along the way. Peter had so much faith in their Divine protection that he abandonned his soldiers and left them to the sword of the mussies who treated them like the drunk girl on Prom night.

[Diogenes]

Peter spent more time attcking Jews in Europe than he did even traveling to the Holy Land.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

I guess you can call it a "gathering" considering he attempted to kill the entire Jewish population of Speyer on the Sabbath as they gathered to worship. This after the NOble of the area and the Archbishop encouraged Jews to move there and promised protection.

From your own link...

1096 May 3, EMICHO (Emico), COUNT OF LEININGEN (Germany) On his way to join the Crusade led by Peter the Hermit, he attacked the synagogue at Speyer. The Jews defended themselves but were systematically slain. Until this time atrocities in Europe were sporadic. From here on in they became organized and frequent, and Jewish martyrdom began in earnest. (It should be remembered that the atrocities committed by the rampaging crusaders were not always supported by the local burghers and bishops. Furthermore, in many countries - especially the Slavic states - the local Christian community suffered from pillages as well. John, bishop of Speyer even called out his army after 11 Jews were killed in a riot, but he was an exception rather than the rule. Approximately 5,000 Jews were murdered in Germany in 1096.)

Blaming the pograms on Peter and Urban is just idiotic, and you have yet to show where that was a goal of those who originated the Crusades.

Emico was under the guidance of Peter and Peter hadn't reached the Holy Land or even Constantinople yet for that matter. Peter took a different route and as the same link shows Dio committed his own attrocities along the way. Peter had so much faith in their Divine protection that he abandonned his soldiers and left them to the sword of the mussies who treated them like the drunk girl on Prom night.

1) Emicho was never 'under the Guidance of Peter'.
2) You have no evidence I commited any atrocieties.
3) There is no evidence the Peter instigated any atrocities, the clergy in general attempted to disuade them. It was the ignorant masses led by greedy nobles who used the Crusade as a pretext.
4) The fact that a large number Peter's followers didn't make it out of Europe, while factual, is irrelevant to whether the Crusades were actually designed to wipe out the Jews, instead of liberating the inhabitants of the Holy Land from their Muslim conquerors.

[tough love]

C Wrote:
The fact that you can't accept this is very telling about your own strength of faith, not mine.

YOU have a strenght of faith...Who woulda thunk it.
Does it involve Satan?

The Nazis at the very least used Christian fanatacism to aid their cause.

That is a far cry from saying that Nazi's were Christians.
Every poli-tard is a user of people, you dumb over-inflated shit.

My guess is the poser christians got used, and the "True Christians" got gassed, but nice job with the back pedalling.

[SunCoastSooner]

C Wrote:
The fact that you can't accept this is very telling about your own strength of faith, not mine.

YOU have a strenght of faith...Who woulda thunk it.
Does it involve Satan?

The Nazis at the very least used Christian fanatacism to aid their cause.

That is a far cry from saying that Nazi's were Christians.
Every poli-tard is a user of people, you dumb over-inflated shit.

My guess is the poser christians got used, and the "True Christians" got gassed, but nice job with the back pedalling.

You are just about the most paranoid and self absorbed person I have ever seen on the net, Tina.

Satanist Yeah, about as much as Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Ben Franklin were. All fellow deists.

[tough love]

^
Okay...So Hitlers Nazi's were not Christians after all.
Glad to see that you have finally come to your senses on at least one thing, heathen.

[SunCoastSooner]

^
Okay...So Hitlers Nazi's were not Christians after all.
Glad to see that you have finally come to your senses on at least one thing, heathen.

Where do you get this out of my post?

Maybe you missed where PSU posted this...



Yep not Christian in the least. The cross is for decoration.

Oh no I was called a heathen again by some self absorbed, christian nutcase, canuck, whatever will I do.

Is this where I am supposed to respond in kind in the same elementary manner with "Sticks and stones..."

[tough love]

I was calling you a heathen, but if that shoe also fit's Pus, so be it.
Did he or another mention that Hitler once attended seminary school.
According to your logic, shouldn't that then make him a Pope.

Your fish flopping makes it difficult to know exactly what your stupidity suggests.

Please Pick One:

A: Hitler was a "Christian"
B: The evil nazi's used folk, including those whom you and others precieve to be "Christian" to murder and dispose of millions of Jews, and assorted others.
C: The evil nazi's were "Christians"

Or Not!
Whichever one you pick won't change what you are.

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

Here's what I don't understand...

Most of the forums in here pretty much police themselves. For example, if some idiot Sooner fan showed up in the CFB forum spouting all kinds of nonsense, Suncoast, BTH, and the rest of the Sooner gang would be the first to pile on.

Why haven't the other Christian posters who can at least formulate a solid take run this tough love clown by now?

Dio, poptart, Tom in VA, your services are required.

[SunCoastSooner]

I was calling you a heathen, but if that shoe also fit's Pus, so be it.
Did he or another mention that Hitler once attended seminary school.
According to your logic, shouldn't that then make him a Pope.

Your fish flopping makes it difficult to know exactly what your stupidity suggests.

Please Pick One:

A: Hitler was a "Christian"
B: The evil nazi's used folk, including those whom you and others precieve to be "Christian" to murder and dispose of millions of Jews, and assorted others.
C: The evil nazi's were "Christians"

Or Not!
Whichever one you pick won't change what you are.

First it doesn't matter which one, A, B, or C, it is but you and every other poster on here who initialy argued otherwise has since conceded that it is one of the three. Now you are just trying to argue details because your initial argument has been shot to shit by more than just lonely little me. But to answer you question... I don't think the issue is so black and white as you try and make it. I believe it was a little bit of all three.

Second this is the last time I am going to allow you or any other poster to insult me or any other poster's personal religious beliefs. If you want to call me a dumbass or cuss me from here to kingdom come fine, I can handle that; I dish it out and receive it back on just about every other forum on this board, it doesn't bother me none. But the name of this forum is Theology and not Christian Study. I think that Dio and I have given this room a lot of lee way and will continue to do so but this isn't a christians only discussion. The deragotory comments towards me being a heathen or any other poster in the same manner from here on out will become a mere memory. People of all faiths are welcome here to discuss their beliefs and points of views. Neither you, I, or any other poster has undeniable scientific, or any other, proof that your religion is corect; all any of us have is faith or lack there of. The country I live in was founded by some damn fine heathen people; including the men who wrote the Declaration of Independance and the United State's Constitution.

I suggest you take a step back away from the keyboard, take a deep breath, and regain your composure.

[tough love]

So the answer is D for deflection then.

Again; I doubt you even know what a Christian is, and your threats to ban just show you out to be the little insecure man that you really are.
Spin it any way you like, 'Bro, but your pissed because I refuse to accept your anti-christ bull-crap, and now you suggest to me that if I continue to stand up to your Nazi/Missie lies, you will turn modster on me.

In Truth:
You appear to be content to reside with pigeon holing sinners who go by the convenient anti-god media and the anti-christ friendly global poli_po$er engineered version of what being a "Christian" means.
I believe that you choose this wrongful version just to suit your own pathetic over read pea brained conclusions, yet sadly you truely understand jack shit about that which you/they speak.

I agree that you are a sad individual whose personal insight is restricted to whatever books you read.

I don't need to read shit to know that when I hear on the world news that in some backward country "Christians are now burning the Muslim bodies which they previously murdered and mutulated" to know that those evil freaks were/are as much "Christian" as were/are your Nazi pals.

I also do not need a degree in theology to know that the murdering mussies who attempt to belittle the True Christian Faith by claiming Jesus Christ to be nothing more then the for runner of their bloody idol, are full of crap on the truth scale, even when they add, as do you, to have The Followers to back them up.

Judging a tree by it's fruit, The Mussie Tree has root rot. Period.
No, I am not an arborist, I am simply a person who chooses to see, and not be blinded by what other sin infested humans put forth.


Rack God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit of Truth.


Oh, and Huge Props to Sunny for being such the entertaining tightly fastened fool

Suncoast WAS here

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Remeber folks, this thread started out with tough love's utter bewilderment at Islam's recognition of Jesus as a prophet.

Just reminding y'all of the bed-ridden, no-job-having crank you're dealing with.

Now, back to the show...

[SunCoastSooner]

I have NEVER banned a poster. I never intend to either so you can stop implying it. You and everyone else here knows what I meant. If you use religious epithets dirtected at a fellow poster on this board, I don't care who it is, it will be deleted. You're damn lucky I took the time to just edit your post because Dio would have just given the entire write up the axe. Until today I have NEVER even had or felt the need to exercise my moderating powers. Congrats TL you popped my cherry.

So the answer is D for deflection then.

Whatever you say Tina. I answered your question but you can't accept it. Not my problem that you are an intellectual midget.

Again; I doubt you even know what a Christian is, and your threats to ban just show you out to be the little insecure man that you really are.
Spin it any way you like, 'Bro, but your pissed because I refuse to accept your anti-christ bull-crap, and now you suggest to me that if I continue to stand up to your Nazi/Missie lies, you will turn modster on me.

I attended Methodist Sunday School and Service for 17 years of my life. I have spent the last five years attending a non denominational Church with my wife numerous times a year out respect to her beliefs. I attended Summer Christian Camp for as long as a month at a time in Davis, Oklahoma for much of my childhood. One of my best employees, and like a brother to me from childhood, is a devout Southern Baptist. I have another close associate from a Sooner Message board who is a Luthern Minister and we have had more than our fair share of conversations about a wide range os issues. I do not need to answer to you, and according to your very own religion it is not your place in this world to judge me; that is God's job!!! I know exactly what a Christian is and you sir are not an example of one. You want to proclaim you are a Christian then start acting like one.

In Truth:
You appear to be content to reside with pigeon holing sinners who go by the convenient anti-god media and the anti-christ friendly global poli_po$er engineered version of what being a "Christian" means.
I believe that you choose this wrongful version just to suit your own pathetic over read pea brained conclusions, yet sadly you truely understand jack shit about that which you/they speak.

Like I said you know about as much about it as the rest of us in this world. In truth I believe it is you who doesn't have a clue as to what a Christian is.

I don't need to read shit to know that when I hear on the world news that in some backward country "Christians are now burning the Muslim bodies which they previously murdered and mutulated" to know that those evil freaks were/are as much "Christian" as were/are your Nazi pals.

Christiuans rioted and killed dozens of Muslims in Narobi, Kenya as recently as four years ago so keep drinking the Kool-Aid, tina.

I also do not need a degree in theology to know that the murdering mussies who attempt to belittle the True Christian Faith by claiming Jesus Christ to be nothing more then the for runner of their bloody idol, are full of crap on the truth scale, even when they add, as do you, to have The Followers to back them up.

There were Jews who proclaimed Jesus to be a prophet and not a Messiah, or the Mosiach long before anyone ever called themselves a "Christian".

Judging a tree by it's fruit, The Mussie Tree has root rot. Period.
No, I am not an arborist, I am simply a person who chooses to see, and not be blinded by what other sin infested humans put forth.

The same can be said for Christianity in the same breath. YOU are all sinners by article of your own faith. You are not sinless and the only person who has ever been sinless according to your very own theology that you supposedly adhere to is Jesus Christ.

SunCoast WAS here.

And I'll keep returning as long as you use religious epithets.

[tough love]

This is all I saw

Suncoast WAS here

I warned this forums mods what would happen if one of you inserted your crap within one of my posts again.
You may think it 'bodes you to do this Sunny, but I don't take your abuse of power lightly.

I will now cease from posting in YOUR forum.

I will pm Radiofan concerning your mod abuse problem.
I'm thinking that he may be one of the Admins here who also agrees that what you did is an affront upon a posters rights.
If he can assure me that the mod/mods in this forum will cease from abusing your/their power, I just may return in a month or so.

As of now:
Grates, your childish undisciplined behavior sickened me outta here.

Let the fellowship of the heathen thrall begin.

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

Remeber folks, this thread started out with tough love's utter bewilderment at Islam's recognition of Jesus as a prophet.

Just reminding y'all of the bed-ridden, no-job-having crank you're dealing with.

Now, back to the show...

I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for him. It's gotta be a troll job, right? Nobody is really that fucking ignorant, are they?