Martyred wrote:Remeber folks, this thread started out with tough love's utter bewilderment at Islam's recognition of Jesus as a prophet.
Just reminding y'all of the bed-ridden, no-job-having crank you're dealing with.
Now, back to the show...
I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for him. It's gotta be a troll job, right? Nobody is really that fucking ignorant, are they?
Unfortunatly, in Tina's case, yes, yes they are.
tough love wrote:This is all I saw
Suncoast WAS here
I warned this forums mods what would happen if one of you inserted your crap within one of my posts again.
You may think it 'bodes you to do this Sunny, but I don't take your abuse of power lightly.
I will now cease from posting in YOUR forum.
I will pm Radiofan concerning your mod abuse problem.
I'm thinking that he may be one of the Admins here who also agrees that what you did is an affront upon a posters rights.
If he can assure me that the mod/mods in this forum will cease from abusing your/their power, I just may return in a month or so.
As of now:
Grates, your childish undisciplined behavior sickened me outta here.
Let the fellowship of the heathen thrall begin.
Nice meltdown...
Save your PM's Tina, the only thing being abused in this thread is you.
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I warned this forums mods what would happen if one of you inserted your crap within one of my posts again.
You may think it 'bodes you to do this Sunny, but I don't take your abuse of power lightly.
I will now cease from posting in YOUR forum.
I will pm Radiofan concerning your mod abuse problem.
I'm thinking that he may be one of the Admins here who also agrees that what you did is an affront upon a posters rights.
If he can assure me that the mod/mods in this forum will cease from abusing your/their power, I just may return in a month or so.
As of now:
Grates, your childish undisciplined behavior sickened me outta here.
Let the fellowship of the heathen thrall begin.
PM Radio infact I'll PM him for you.
Like I said this is the first time I have ever had to exercise any moderators powers and I hope to never have to do so again.
It is rather reveiling that you are the only poster who has had to be edited on this forum. And you have had to be warned and edited by both of the moderators. One of them is a fellow hard core Christian as you claim to be but even he had has found you antics in the past to warrant attention.
BSmack wrote:I can certainly infer from that blurb alone that you are self righteous, bible believing, likely a Baptist or Presbyterian...
Miryam wrote:but other than that, it's cool, man. you're a christer.
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Okay, Sunny, yer cards are on table as a flat-out Christer.
SunCoastSooner wrote:As I and others have already shown in this thread... The Nazis at the very least used Christian fanatacism to aid their cause.
Actually haven't shown anything of the sort, your fellow heathen :twisted: has pretty well debunked your (and others) false assertions on the matter.
As far as tl's little meltown goes...
Vaya Con Dios.
Please direct me to where mvscal debunked anything. I posted a link to a site that clearly explains Hitler's links to/use of Christianity. Suncoast posted a picture of the guy walking out of church. All mvscal has done is lob insults. If that counts as "debunking," then I guess I was trying too hard. I'll just stick with "You're a fucking fool" next time. Apparently, that carries more weight around here.
Diogenes wrote:And you could probably find a pic of Bill Clinton walking out of a Church too, that doesn't make him a Christian.
Quit being a fucking tool.
So now you're claiming Bill Clinton isn't a Christian either?
No.
I'm saying that walking out of a church doesn't make him one. And anyone who can confuse spreading the gospel with Nazi ideology is probably a fucking tool or a fundie atheist.
Except even a fundie atheist with a minimal knowledge of history would know better.
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Muhammed taught that Jews, Christians, and Muslims were all "people of the book" as the Quran is only a supplement (the conclusion, if you will) to the Torah and the Gospels. It wasn't until two centuries later that power-hungry Caliphs (not unlike power hungry Popes) turned a more aggressive eye towards the "non-believers." Jesus as well as Abraham and the tribes of Israel were all prophets of the Muslim God (the same God that Christians and Jews worshipped).
Saying that Islam is a violent religion based on the land they conquered is very mis-leading, since that was an era of expansion for all types of nations, religions, tribes, and armies. You can't deride Islam for conquering foreign land and give a pass to the Christians who did the same thing. When Muslims conquered land, they did not require conversion to Islam like the Christian armies did. The worst thing Muslim armies did as a policy was tax non-Muslims moreso than they did Muslims; there were not mass killings based simply on religion. It is the Christians who didn't accept Muslims' interpretation of God to the be their same God. They were the ones who demanded conversion.
Did the Muslim armies conquer land at a greater rate than did the Christian armies? Yes, but that has no bearing on the disposition of their religion. Maybe they were just better fighters.
shortsoldier wrote:Muhammed taught that Jews, Christians, and Muslims were all "people of the book" as the Quran is only a supplement (the conclusion, if you will) to the Torah and the Gospels. It wasn't until two centuries later that power-hungry Caliphs (not unlike power hungry Popes) turned a more aggressive eye towards the "non-believers." Jesus as well as Abraham and the tribes of Israel were all prophets of the Muslim God (the same God that Christians and Jews worshipped).
Saying that Islam is a violent religion based on the land they conquered is very mis-leading, since that was an era of expansion for all types of nations, religions, tribes, and armies. You can't deride Islam for conquering foreign land and give a pass to the Christians who did the same thing. When Muslims conquered land, they did not require conversion to Islam like the Christian armies did. The worst thing Muslim armies did as a policy was tax non-Muslims moreso than they did Muslims; there were not mass killings based simply on religion. It is the Christians who didn't accept Muslims' interpretation of God to the be their same God. They were the ones who demanded conversion.
Did the Muslim armies conquer land at a greater rate than did the Christian armies? Yes, but that has no bearing on the disposition of their religion. Maybe they were just better fighters.
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Thanks for finding the time to drop a line around here ss. You provide a very valid point of view and voiced much better than I could have. I know you have a lot to offer this and other forums around here. Might want to take the time to holler at BeleivetheHeupel (FrozenSooner) on the football forum as well. I'm sure he'd be interested in hearing how things are going over there.
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BSmack wrote:I can certainly infer from that blurb alone that you are self righteous, bible believing, likely a Baptist or Presbyterian...
Miryam wrote:but other than that, it's cool, man. you're a christer.
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Okay, Sunny, yer cards are on table as a flat-out Christer.
You know, I hate to come into this so late and so far after anyone has said anything, but...
I just came in and got caught up and just can't let anyone call Martin Luther a Nazi. It was way back in the discussion, and totally unwarranted. Luther fought for the common person to have mass in their own language and not depend on the state or church for access to the almighty. That is not a Nazi sentiment, whether or not it took place at the same time or in the same place.
Plus, you can argue all day long on whether the Christians or Muslims had worse wars during history, and it's close. But what I see now is what I hear from people. Most Christians I know say something like...this is what I believe and this is what I do, can try and do better. It matches up. I don't know any Muslims right now but have known many in my life as friends and co-workers, and most have said that their book teaches things they don't do. Such as having more than one wife and killing people they don't agree with. When asked, the Muslim folks I have known would say...oh, the book just says that but I would never do that.
That's all well and good, but why live another life than your holy book says? I had a good friend who married a Muslim and I asked them both about the multiple wife thing. My friend said, it's allowed but it will never happen. The husband said, it's allowed and I don't think it will happen. Nice opening there. They now live in UAE and she is out of contact with everyone who knows her here in the states.
I worked with another Muslim couple (sweet people, the husband from Morocco and the wife from Guam) a few years ago, and they talked about killing people who didn't believe in their religion...but it was just talk, according to both of them. "just a way to be serious about the faith and we would never do that now", so no worry.
I get a bullshit meter going if the folks I meet who say they can have multiple wives and kill people well within their religion and say they won't...but just for now.
I'll take the Christian matchup of trying to do better any day of the week over that :)
