Van, your new .signature is inappropriate.

[Moving Sale]

[mouse]

Make no bones about it I can fuck this topic up with just one quote..............

[Dinsdale]

please explain, what's so funny about dropping an hoary 'chicken and malt liquor' reference in a thread about juneteenth? seriously.

Well, since you added the "seriously," I'll give it a whirl --

The more "sensitive" any given topic is, the more likely it will result in laughter when somebody "steps over the line" and addresses the issue with "inappropriate" comments. In this case, mvscal relied on the age-old stereotypes that black people consume chicken and malt liquor while guzzling malt liquor and committing crime(OK, the "crime" part wasn't a stereotype...that one's pretty much based in fact).

But, you know what -- go ahead and assume that any time you need humor explained to you, you're never going to get it, so save the energy you would have spent trying.

did you slap your knees and piss yourself when pickle used to post those racist french postcards, too?

While I don't remember the specific posts you're referring to, I don't recall ever finding Pickle funny. His only value was "stirring the pot," which he was actually quite adept at.

do you still get the giggles for 'pull my finger'?

I'm going to have to go ahead and take the 5th on this one.

But, if in fact I do, it's a safe bet that timing and circumstance have everything to do with whether a good "pull my finger" is going to go over. For instance, a "pull my finger" sitting around with friends/family watching TV....whoop-de-do. However, you break out a "pull my finger" during a particularly dramatic part of a wedding or funeral....


COMEDY GOLD, BABY!

are you the dope with the slackjaw and wide eyes waiting for the punch line of 'knock knock'?

Again, depends on situation and subject matter.

Like this one --

Knock Knock

Who's there?

An African American.

**Sound of back door quickly slamming**

[The Doktor]

I find this thread amusing.

Liberals are supposed to be negro-loving people, yet in this thread, IB has successfully proven that they don't like blacks.

Does she get a rack?

[Van]

She's already got one, a huge one.

Thing is though, liberal or not, Annie loathes blacks far more than Mvscal does. Therein lies the irony, the problem and the inherent comedy.

[PSUFAN]

Have Quadreped and Peeyingyong been returned yet?



OH, THE HUGE MAMMARIES!!!!!!!!!!!

[Moving Sale]

Thing is though, liberal or not, Annie loathes blacks far more than Mvscal does.

I see you decided to skip past 'idiot of the day' and land on 'idiot of the month.'

Good show you stupid racist fuck.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Jesus Effin' Christ on a cross, this entire thread makes me want to put icepicks through my eyes. Sad too, because I actually like all of the main participants on this thread, and have for some time. But this thread is so disturbing on so many levels.

I can't believe I bothered slogging through the whole thing. I think I might have lost a few IQ points as a result.

[Van]

Try some other tactic, TVO. You've grown really bland and forgettable with your recent one trick pony act of gratuitous name calling.

[Bizzarofelice]

gratuitous name calling.

Zyclone the Shrubber?

[Terry in Crapchester]

gratuitous name calling.

Zyclone the Shrubber?

Well, that one just redeemed the thread. A little, anyway.

[Dinsdale]

Good show you stupid racist fuck.

Ignoring the problems with racial relations, and failing to regognize problems, and neglecting all evidence, be it statistical, anecdotal, or observational is quite "racist" in its own right.

Way to go, AnnieVO.

When any white person says anything derogotory about "black culture"(I also have a hard time typing that with a sdtraight face), you brand them a racist.

Newsflash, dildo -- African Americans commit an incredibly disproportionate amount of the crime in this country. This sin't speculation, this is FACT. Absolutely NO way to put any different spin on it than that.

Yet, all one has to do is cite FBI statistics, and you label them a "racist."

It seems like YOU are the one with the racial issues(swinging from IB's nutsac isn't exactly a positive quality). Something happened to you somewhere along the way that makes you ashamed to be a member of the ethnic group you belong to. That's too bad -- outside of the messageboard world, race means very little to me. But when forced to think about it, and when we start drawing up the "us vs. them" battle lines that the "black community" insists on making a religion of, I'm actually quite proud -- since MY ethnic group is pretty much responsible for just about every great innovation, invention, scientific discovery, and technological advancement made in modern history.


Maybe you're just being cunning, and doing the Lenny Bruce, and throwing that label around with such impunity so as to make it meaningless, much the way "mvscal" has become.

Could be...

But by ignoring the problems between ethnic groups in this country, and excusing deplorable actions and overall philosophies/attitudes based solely on the color of the offenders' skin, you're doing a lot more to set "the cause" back than anyone who says "blacks commit a lot of crime," or things of that nature.

Wanna fight racism in this country, TVO?

Disconnect your keyboard...that would be a good start. Tards like you and Annie are part of the problem, not the solution.

[Van]

On top of all that I happen to know Annie really well personally and I'm well aware of her deeply embedded racial self loathing. For all of Mvscal's jokes I'm guessing that in real life he doesn't have quite as much contempt for blacks as Annie does.

Annie forgives them everything and constantly feels the need to be their apologist but her overall regard for them basically speaks to her feeling that they're little children who need excuses and should be judged as little children.

[Moving Sale]

When any white person says anything derogotory about "black culture"(I also have a hard time typing that with a sdtraight face), you brand them a racist.

Nice lie fucko. KKKcal is a racist. Van is hanging from his ballsack. IB's racism is a strawman. Way to drop a fallacy in your retort.

Van,
You were sucking racist cock. Tuff shit if you don't like that I pointed it out.

[Van]

TVO, with your steady diet of empty blathering insults you've become too might of a lightweight to inspire any feelings one way or the other about what you think.

(This would be where you re-read what I wrote and you discover that I expresssed no hurt feelings whatsoever over what you wrote.)

You just don't matter anymore so knock yourself out, Skippy.

[Felix]

Whereas I view them as animals who piddle on the carpet and should be beaten while holding their nose in their piss.

good place for you to start would be southcentral LA....

let me know how that works out for ya tough guy.....

[Terry in Crapchester]

Van, we've had this discussion before, of course, but I think this is where we disagree.

Annie forgives them everything and constantly feels the need to be their apologist but her overall regard for them basically speaks to her feeling that they're little children who need excuses and should be judged as little children.

Taking what you say at face value, I don't see that as hatred. Contempt, pity, patronization, or maybe even some combination of two or more of the above. But not hatred, at least not imho.

Now, let's contrast that to mvscal. Admittedly, I've never spoken to mvscal offline, so it's hard for me to say to what extent he's trolling. But taking his statements again at face value, it would seem that if, hypothetically, one were to take every African-American man, woman and child in the country, line them up right in front of some gigantic ditch, then pick off each and every one of them with an AK-47, such an event would not bother mvscal in the least. In fact, there's even a possibility that he might join in such festivities.

The disclaimer in all of the above, of course, is that I honestly do not know to what extent to take mvscal's comments at face value. He is either the greatest character troll this board has ever seen, or one of the most hateful people ever to walk the face of the earth.

[Van]

Terry, I never said "hatred", did I

Nope, I didn't. I said she loathes African Americans even more than Mvscal does.

She gives AA's absolutely no credit. She thinks of them as totally helpless and subject to the auspices and whims of, well, anything and everything else, and she's utterly ashamed of her ethnicity and especially her culture.

This is fact.

(Edit: I'll grant you that I also don't know at what level of seriousness to take Mvscal's racial rants.)

[Risa]

Way to "Keep it Rill" there Chococity.



Fucking savages.

I guess that's what happens when you throw people out on the street, and treat them like sub-human, non-citizens.

White Man would find it hard to "Keep It Rill" too if he saw his family floating face down in a drainage canal while his government stood by and did nothing.

This isn't a failure of African American culture. Individually, yes, but the greater burden lies with the corporate/psuedo Capitalist hegemony.

I keep wondering when ordinary Americans wil rise up and throw off the shackles of their oppressors. You country has a deep and meaningful socialist history. Too bad you've been robbed of it.

White people know how to swim......

That didn't save that white dude photographed floating face down butt nekkid in front of that house during Katrina. That didn't save a lot of people.

Everybody died during Katrina (and Rita, with assists from Wilma and Ophelia). It was just that the government promised to save people, and didn't deliver on that promise. The Superdome was supposed to be a shelter in the middle of catastrophe for those who didn't have the means and the money to get out of town. It wasn't anything like what it was promised to be. White, black, American, Tourist... everybody got screwed.

People have a right to remain angry about what happened during Katrina, and it's continuing aftermath. I remember your anger over the Great White concert that claimed so many lives several years ago. You were right to be angry. You have no anger left over for this?

[Risa]

Try as you might, Annie, you can't relate my comments to my geographical location. I was raised by an Ohioan.


Facts is facts. Maybe you wouldn't be so sensitive about mvscal's comment if it wasn't based in truth.

My maternal great-grandparents left Ohio for Kentucky. KENTUCKY.
And it doesn't matter anyway because though they were Southern by choice, you're a southerner by birth, yes? as well as environment.

You're no more a yankee than lester maddox. And, you're old enough to have seen the really evil shit that went down. I'm glad I didn't. But you did. None of that affected you, and how you see the world? Cuz that would make you a saint, not a man. You're not claiming sainthood, are you?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Terry, I never said "hatred", did I

Nope, I didn't. I said she loathes African Americans even more than Mvscal does.

Van, I could be wrong about this, but I always thought that "hatred" and "loathing" were synonyms. If so, we're splitting hairs over wording.

[Risa]

Can an admin change Risa's user title to "Strange Fruit"? Thanks.

That's just wrong. Plain and simple.

You'll have to answer for that some day.

I kinda like it. Gets the Grace Jones vibe ('Coming to America'.. Ms. Strange' ... ha) and the differently-sexually-oriented nutcake vibe together in one swoop. I kinda like it. But I wanna keep this one, you know... in J. Meds honor. ;)

[Van]

People mostly laughed at the Great White concert. I didn't see anybody here even remotely angry about it.

Do we need to have "stores of anger saved up", to make you happy?

[Van]

Terry, I never said "hatred", did I

Nope, I didn't. I said she loathes African Americans even more than Mvscal does.

Van, I could be wrong about this, but I always thought that "hatred" and "loathing" were synonyms. If so, we're splitting hairs over wording.

There is a difference, and it applies here. Aniie has no respect for AA's. That's not hatred, its contempt, pity, frustration. It's mostly contempt, a low regard for them. Loathing.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Terry, I never said "hatred", did I

Nope, I didn't. I said she loathes African Americans even more than Mvscal does.

You were doing well up to this point.

[Risa]

White Man would find it hard to "Keep It Rill" too if he saw his family floating face down in a drainage canal while his government stood by and did nothing.

What part of Mandatory Evacuation wasn't clear?

I don't think all those Guardsmen "stood by and did nothing". They risked their lives to rescue thousands of people who didn't leave when told to.

The vast majority of those Guard personnel were white, by the way.

Those soldiers were also OFFICIALLY REPRIMANDED when they deviated from their courses in order to save people stranded on their rooftops. We shouldn't forget that part of those days, either.

Nor should we forget that those guardsmen did indeed complain -- and complain loudly -- about not having enough to do, not having anything to do, of just being ordered to stand around while there was work that could have been done, of not knowing why they were down there in the first place, and of being used as photo op props for the president when he finally made an appearance. We shouldn't forget.

The color of the guardsmen doesn't mean a damn thing. Their americanness does. Their humanity does. The same with the rescue crews sent from all over the planet to assist the United States in a time of need. Their nationalities, their skin colors didn't matter; their humanity, and seeing that there was a need for their time and their bodies and their experiences, does.

Everybody died during Katrina, white and black. But because most of those we were seeing were black, there was a negative vibe to the initial stories put out that had nothing to do with truth and everything to do with perception. Blacks were expected to act poorly, therefore blacks were reported to act poorly -- even when all blacks were doing was organizing neighborhoodwide community search and rescue and foraging (thanks for that word, TomInVA, back then) missions so that everybody could get out, could make it out; even when it meant giving up one's place in the rescue boats and planes, so that children and old people and some families could stay together. And it was still a clusterfuck.

The little guy can only do so much. But the little guy -- black, white, everybody -- gave it all. Don't put the failures on the little guy, man. Just don't.

[Risa]

Actually Annie, you've got it backwards.

It's about you. Mvscal made me laugh, because of you. Remove you from the equation and he's saying his stuff in a vacuum and it's no longer funny.

I don't know what to say. Mvscal, your thoughts?

[Risa]

TVO drives through another thread:

What happens to all the unbroken bottles of beer in this photo?

[Terry in Crapchester]

hypothetically, one were to take every African-American man, woman and child in the country, line them up right in front of some gigantic ditch, then pick off each and every one of them with an AK-47, such an event would not bother mvscal in the least. In fact, there's even a possibility that he might join in such festivities.

For all intents and purposes, that is exactly where the AA community is headed save for the fact ni...ggers are the ones pulling the trigger.

Exaggerate much?

[Risa]

hypothetically, one were to take every African-American man, woman and child in the country, line them up right in front of some gigantic ditch, then pick off each and every one of them with an AK-47, such an event would not bother mvscal in the least. In fact, there's even a possibility that he might join in such festivities.

For all intents and purposes, that is exactly where the AA community is headed save for the fact ni...ggers are the ones pulling the trigger.

Exaggerate much?

And he never said he wouldn't engage in it, either. Nor that he disagrees with such a path. I wonder what a shrink would say about mvscal's hatred towards african-americans.

[Terry in Crapchester]

No, not much. Violence and deliberately cultivated ignorance are destroying the AA community not the white devil.

I never said the "white devil" was destroying the African-American community. As for the rest, I have enough faith in the resilience of the African-American community that I don't see the problems it now encounters as destroying it, not anytime soon anyway.

[Risa]

People mostly laughed at the Great White concert. I didn't see anybody here even remotely angry about it.

Do we need to have "stores of anger saved up", to make you happy?

What's your own anger about?

Anyway, Neely got clowned for taking the laughing at the Great White tragedy. He wasn't remotely angry about it. He was extremely angry about it. And he got clowned for not seeing anything funny at all in real people dying, in his neck of the woods. I don't remember if he knew anyone who didn't make it out, or who almost went but didn't that night, but I do remember, he was pissed off that the whole thing could have happened in the first place.

It was just something I remembered... to be honest, the first thing I remember about Neely, the strongest memory I have of Neely. It doesn't matter what he does, he'll always be associated with the Great White tragedy, for me.

[Risa]

I imagine he would say that contempt is a perfectly rational response to their despicable behavior.

What would he say about yours?

He'd say I have unresolved father issues and mother issues,
and that it isn't about race at all when one comes down to it.
She'd also say I need to forgive myself before I'm free to forgive
anyone else.

I think I've given Van the wrong impression about some things.

I also think you're being facetious, or Terry is right about you.
Which is it, Oscar?

No, not much. Violence and deliberately cultivated ignorance are destroying the AA community not the white devil.

I never said the "white devil" was destroying the African-American community. As for the rest, I have enough faith in the resilience of the African-American community that I don't see the problems it now encounters as destroying it, not anytime soon anyway.

What does it say that there are those who honestly wish it destroyed, however? Yes, the African-American community has a shitload of issues; what folks don't usually want to see, is that what happens in the AA community is just a mirror of what happens elsewhere.... whether others are held to the same magnifying glass for the same behavior, or not. The African-American community continues to be the canary in America's mineshaft.

[JCT]

seriously, this thread flat sucks out loud.

[The Doktor]

seriously, this thread flat sucks out loud.

Agreed, but why stop at this thread? Lock the entire board. It's just as bad.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

seriously, this thread flat sucks out loud.

Yet you keep viewing/posting.

Step 1) Grab ahold of the mouse
Step 2) Drag to the upper right corner of your browser
Step 3) Center arrow on the "X"
Step 4) Left Click

Problem solved.

[Moving Sale]

TVO, with your steady diet of empty blathering insults you've become too might of a lightweight to inspire any feelings one way or the other about what you think.

You just don't matter anymore so knock yourself out, Skippy.

That doesn't make you any less of a racist colon jockey.

He sucks racist cock and calls me a lightweight. Please Van tell me how hard it is to ride KKKcal's nutsack.

[Donovan]

Can an admin change Risa's user title to "Strange Fruit"? Thanks.

That's just wrong. Plain and simple.

You'll have to answer for that some day.

I kinda like it. Gets the Grace Jones vibe ('Coming to America'.. Ms. Strange' ... ha) and the differently-sexually-oriented nutcake vibe together in one swoop. I kinda like it. But I wanna keep this one, you know... in J. Meds honor. ;)

I like your attitude.

[Invictus]

That's just wrong. Plain and simple.

You'll have to answer for that some day.

I kinda like it. Gets the Grace Jones vibe ('Coming to America'.. Ms. Strange' ... ha) and the differently-sexually-oriented nutcake vibe together in one swoop. I kinda like it. But I wanna keep this one, you know... in J. Meds honor. ;)

I like your attitude.

IB, forgive me for saying this but you ninny.

Do you even know WHAT Donovan is referencing when he says that? For someone so up on blackness, you should do a little research on that one.

[Donovan]

You not a Nina Simone fan, vic? :?



All apologies if I offended you. No malice intended.