should the homeless be fed?

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:29 pm

How 'bout "performance art?"

"Punch and Judy Theater" with real bats.

C'mon, you know a lot of 'em have been practicing the scenes on their own for years...

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:07 pm

I'm surprised Al Qaeda isn't recruiting these losers with promises of 70 pounds of meth in the afterlife.

Terry in Crapchester · Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:16 pm

Jimmy Medalions wrote:I'm surprised Al Qaeda isn't recruiting these losers with promises of 70 pounds of meth in the afterlife.

Their existence right now is so miserable that I don't think they're too concerned about the afterlife. Just sayin'.

Terry in Crapchester · Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:26 pm

mvscal wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Their existence right now is so miserable
Says who?

Maybe that depends on what part of the country they're in. I wouldn't want to be homeless in these parts around winter. Many of them don't live through the winter.

The vast majority of them are doing exactly what they want to do.

A lot of them are so far gone mentally that they have no capacity to make anything remotely approaching a rational choice.

YD · Post by YD » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:35 pm

Should the homeless be fed?

yes

debinitly

To each other

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:42 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:A lot of them are so far gone mentally that they have no capacity to make anything remotely approaching a rational choice.

And a lot of them are living in warm appartments subsidized by the taxpayers and comming out during the day to grift whatever they can to satisfy their cravings. Any help given to the homeless that isn't designed to move them either back into the working world with all due haste or into the appropriate mental treatment facility is a waste of time and money.

Terry in Crapchester · Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:15 pm

BSmack wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:A lot of them are so far gone mentally that they have no capacity to make anything remotely approaching a rational choice.
And a lot of them are living in warm appartments subsidized by the taxpayers and comming out during the day to grift whatever they can to satisfy their cravings.

I thought we were talking about the homeless. I would submit that anyone living in an apartment is, by definition, not homeless, regardless of who is paying for said apartment.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:07 am

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
mvscal wrote:
The vast majority of them are doing exactly what they want to do.
A lot of them are so far gone mentally that they have no capacity to make anything remotely approaching a rational choice.

Cut me a fucking break, Terry.

Cut with your 'facts of life' schtick and realize that while mvscal's post is simple, it's deep... and accurate.

Are there many mentallyill homeless? Yes, of course. Are there a shitload of them that haven't a modicum of will to get a fucking job and are happy to take the myriad handouts supplied them? Definitely.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:36 am

The water in the U&L is so full of King...errr....chinook salmon you can literally walk on it

Not if I have anything to do with it. As a native Northwester, it is required to have a second freezer to store your fish and elk, which I do have. I like to eat chinook...at least once a week, all fucking year long. So... if you eat a lot you have to fish a lot...and I am getting down there....but not to fear... the early fall chinook will soon be taking my bait, and then to my barbeque and freezer.

That's almost as good as sending them all to Portland.

Why the fuck not.....??? Dude that was begging on Hwy 26 at Cornell this morning had his fucking huge pit bull there with him...and this was at 6 am. Hoping to get the dog lovers jack.... and then this afternoon same dude was there with a fucking set of crutches... holding his "HOMELESS" sign....fuck them...

My neighbor has arrested the same dude about a billion times for beating up other homeless trying to move in on his turf ( traffic light controlled free way on ramp)...last time the loser beat the shit out of some "homeless" skank who got there an hour before he does.

Y2K · Post by **Y2K** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:55 am

timmay wrote:
Should the homeless be fed?
yes

debinitly

To each other

Naaa they would make some good chow at local zoos for lions and bears and stuff, maybe even howler monkeys will eat em if they are tenderized and marinated

uhhhhhh
scratch the marinade as I'm sure 20 years of Boone's Farm has already done the job.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:21 am

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
BSmack wrote:And a lot of them are living in warm appartments subsidized by the taxpayers and comming out during the day to grift whatever they can to satisfy their cravings.
I thought we were talking about the homeless. I would submit that anyone living in an apartment is, by definition, not homeless, regardless of who is paying for said apartment.

No, we were talking about people "whom a reasonable ordinary person would believe to be entitled to apply for or receive assistance". That does not necessarily mean a homeless person.

If I might, allow me to tell you where I'm coming from.

Back in the early 90s I spent four years in downtown Rochester as a foot messenger and process server. It was a job that had me on the streets of Rochester for 6-8 hours a day, every day for four years. There was a time when I knew every regular panhandler between Nick Tahou's and the Eastman Theatre by both sight and reputation. There was not a single DAY in which I was not approached for money/smokes multiple times. I've had crackheads try to crawl through my car window, women offer to blow me, guys begging me for "bus fare" so that they can see their kids, people claiming that they were asking me "for Jesus" and they just wanted to "hold" the money for Him...

In short, I've heard every fucking appeal for cash you could ever possibly think of and a few that would certainly make RtS literally shit his pants. And I've also seen way too many of these "homeless" people walking in and out of the Cadillac or the old South Ave hotel or the St. Paul Apartments to think that they are all homeless. And I have spoken to way too many of the saner contingent of panhandlers and been “shocked” to find out that they were not sleeping under the Broad Street Bridge but rather in a place off Monroe or Lyell Ave.

With some exceptions, it is my opinion that most of the people you see grifting and panhandling are not “homeless”, they are JOBLESS. And that is what any transient help program should recognize. Like FDR did with the CCC back in our grandparent’s day. Just giving people a free lunch in the middle of a public park only serves to ingrain and reinforce antisocial behavior at the expense of taxpayers who would like to use their parks without being accosted by panhandlers.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:15 am

^^ Yep. About 10 years back I was approached by this 20 something guy in a small shopping center for money for bus fare. Seems his car broke down, and he was going to miss an important job interview. I said no, he begged for even just a dollar. I walked on. He moved on to someone else.

5 months later, same guy different place in the valley a few blocks from there. This time I overheard him using a variation of the same story to an elderly couple. It wasn't a job interview this time, it was a job he was late for and going to be fired from, but again the car broke down on his way to his "job". I watched him for a while. Guy was a great actor. He must have taken in 10-15 bucks in the 15 minutes I watched him work. Didn't seem to be in much of a hurry to get to that job he was late for. Never heard of a bus ride costing much more than a buck fitty in the valley, either.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:34 am

Mister Bushice wrote:^^ Yep. About 10 years back I was approached by this 20 something guy in a small shopping center for money for bus fare. Seems his car broke down, and he was going to miss an important job interview. I said no, he begged for even just a dollar. I walked on. He moved on to someone else.

5 months later, same guy different place in the valley a few blocks from there. This time I overheard him using a variation of the same story to an elderly couple. It wasn't a job interview this time, it was a job he was late for and going to be fired from, but again the car broke down on his way to his "job". I watched him for a while. Guy was a great actor. He must have taken in 10-15 bucks in the 15 minutes I watched him work. Didn't seem to be in much of a hurry to get to that job he was late for. Never heard of a bus ride costing much more than a buck fitty in the valley, either.

The "need bus fare for a job interview" line is one of the more common lines I remember hearing. It's right up there with the "I just need a buck for some food" and "you got some change you can spare?" lines in the pantheon of panhandling. Sad that there are some people out there without the common sense to see through the bullshit.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:57 pm

mvscal wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Their existence right now is so miserable
Says who?

The vast majority of them are doing exactly what they want to do.

they are, in fact, the very embidoment of the term" leisure class":

they have no responsibilities or obligations to meet. they literally ARE doing exactly what they want (i.e. get intoxicated all day, every day) and don't do a goddam thing they don't want to do (e.g. bathe).

4 pages and only 1 soylent green reset? how's about 1 more:

Dinsdale wrote:Dinsdale wrote:

... render their newfound fat into biodeisel.

You're gonna need a bigger garbage truck

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:06 pm

About 7 or 8 years back one of the local news channels did a story about the guys panhandling on freeway off ramps. These guys were pulling in a couple hundred a day from suckers giving them a 5 or 10 spot because they were "starving".

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:25 pm

I personally like the "I need money for airfare" line the best.

During recent trips to New Orleans, including last week's, I ran across several panhandlers - not necessarily homeless, but beggars nonetheless. What diminishes my sympathy for them is that fast-food joints and other employers of unskilled labor are offering higher-than-average wages for such work; Wendy's & McD's are paying around $10/hr to flip burgers, and are offering bonuses to those who stick around for a few months. Not great $$, but it hardly inspires me to give when they're begging right outside these places!

A colleague told me about a panhandler who approached him with his dog, saying he wanted caysh for him & his pooch to eat. Dude who was approached had just gone to the pet store & bought a case of food for his dog, so rather than give dude $$, he gave him a can of dog food to feed Fido. Asswipe beggar chucked the can at dude's car, denting it, saying he wasn't gonna eat no dog food. Needless to say, no cash was forthcoming, either.

Saw a grifter workin' the Metro trains here in DC, asking for train fare. A passenger gave him a buck and told him to get himself sumpin' to eat. Dude says, "I just had me a steak & lobster dinner - I ain't beggin' fo' food money!" He got off at the next stop, I got off a stop or two later, and saw the same guy getting off a different car on the same train. I'm guessing he could prolly clear $30-50/hr doin' that if he really applies himself.

Call me callous, but I don't contribute to panhandlers.

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:30 pm

I was at a Barnes & Noble a couple weeks back. I'm leaving and there's some guy standing at the exit of the plaza holding a sign.

"Homeless WWII Vet
Born 1929. Hungry
Help Me"

So he was 13 when he was fighting in WWII. I had a lot of sympathy for him.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:32 pm

JCT wrote:So he was 13 when he was fighting in WWII. I had a lot of sympathy for him.

So, d'ja toss him an MRE?

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:52 pm

JCT wrote:About 7 or 8 years back one of the local news channels did a story about the guys panhandling on freeway off ramps. These guys were pulling in a couple hundred a day from suckers giving them a 5 or 10 spot because they were "starving".

That's practically a regular job for most of them.

They have somebody drop them off in the AM of the morning and pick them up at the PM of the afternooner.

I was considering this, but it turned out they wanted me to wear a bluetooth headset, so I told them to fuck off instead

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:45 pm

R-Jack wrote:The only time I've ever contributed to a bum was also probably the only time I left a bar with money in my pocket. I probably would've just walked by if I was only a little tipsy, but at the time I felt good about my contribution to "The United Negro 40 ounce malt liquor Fund."

FT. You don't really think some black dude hanging in front of a bar is heading for mickey D's do ya? :)

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:23 pm

I actually had this seedy looking wreck of a guy hit me up for a couple of bucks outside a bar a couple weeks ago. When I asked him what he needed the money for, he said he wanted to buy a cheap bottle of something.

I gave him a five.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:45 pm

Archive this Thread!!

and while you are at it..

RACK JCT for his "Soup" line! (Page 1) and Rack Rich Fader for hitting that meatball out of the park!
(Fed to What!! ...) (Page 2)

Half a Rack to Believe the Heupel for his "Bum Fights" suggestion.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:29 pm

and of course the dinsdale reset goes right the fuck over everybody's head.

i don't know why i even fucking bother anymore...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:27 pm

Cuda wrote:and of course the dinsdale reset goes right the fuck over everybody's head.

i don't know why i even fucking bother anymore...

Maybe you should try a Toddowen reset?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:51 pm

Cuda wrote:and of course the dinsdale reset goes right the fuck over everybody's head.

Well, maybe not everybody's.

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:57 pm

Jack wrote:Archive this Thread!!

and while you are at it..

RACK JCT for his "Soup" line! (Page 1)

I better get at least half of that rack, since I e-mailed him that earlier that same morning. I prefer babybacks with Sweet Baby Ray's BBQ Sauce.

4 king guy · Post by **4 king guy** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:52 pm

Make the Homeless work for Food!!

There was this homeless guy laying in an alley drinking some Ripple. The man drank so much that he passed out, keeling over on his cardboard bed. A gay guy happened to walk buy and noticed this. So he looked around and "had his way" with the homeless man. The guy left $10 by the man.

The man woke up and slurred, "Hey where'd this come from? Oh, well." So he went to the liquor store and told the clerk, "I'd like $10 worth of Ripple." So the clerk gave it to him.

Now the homeless man layed there once again, nuking the bottle of Ripple, and passes out again. The same gay guy walks by, notices that the man is still out cold, and once again, has his way with him. This time was pretty good for the gay guy, so he left $20.

Once again the homeless man wakes up, wonders where the $20 came from, "Hey, a 20! All right!!" So he stumbles to the liquor store and buys $20 worth of Ripple. He then goes back and continues his drinking binge.

Once again, the gay guy walks by and has his way with the homeless man. This time was the best one so far, so the gay guy left the homeless man a $100 bill, and walked off.

The homeless man just about had a heart attack when he found a $100 next to him. He went into the liquor store and the clerk said, "I suppose you want some more Ripple, huh?"

The homeless man slurred, "No, give me the best, most expensive whiskey you've got." The clerk said, "What, are you tired of Ripple?" The homeless man said, "Yeah, that cheap stuff's tearing up my ass."

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What's the difference between a homeless and a pizza?

A pizza can feed a family of four.

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Sherlock Homeless....

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:34 pm

R-Jack wrote: RACK that.

The best sause you can get at a supermarket. The only problem is that no homeless were harmed in the making of that sause.

Word. The OL thinks I'm the ribs king and all I do is season the meat while cooking and slather on a bunch of Sweet Baby Rays just before they're done. Good some?