Ty Law signs with Chiefs

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:16 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2527839

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:45 pm

Great signing!

signed,

2002

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:00 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:"Aw FUCK!!!"

Sin,
OTHER AFC West WRs

Yeah I'm sure Randy Moss is shaking in his boots. :wink:

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:56 am

it's a great signing.....

the KC defense just got a lot better......

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:50 am

Not yes, but...

HELL YES!

I freaking love this signing. KC is now a legit SB contender.

Jason Whitlock will be creaming his size 56 jeans upon this news. He's been banging the Ty Law drum for over two seasons now, and this ought to have him predicting 16-0.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:56 am

Solid veteran presence in the d-backfield.

Looks like a good addition to me.

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:16 am

Good Signing by the Chiefs!

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:Sorry to have to break this little tidbit of news to our fellow AFC West fans here, but this signing officially made the Chiefs the odds-on favorites to win the AFC West OUTRIGHT.

Suddenly I feel a LOT better about this season. :wink:

Ahhhhh.....yes.....that leaves the Playoffs; doesn't it??????

13-3 doesn't mean too much now....does it?

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:15 am

Qbert wrote:Ahhhhh.....yes.....that leaves the Playoffs; doesn't it??????

13-3 doesn't mean too much now....does it?

Shut up.

Niiiiiiiiiice!

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:56 am

War Wagon wrote: KC is now a legit SB contender.

I laughed.

Hope that motherfucker can cover for 12 seconds with that dogshit D-line.

Even if they are successful, your playoff chokes are the stuff of deep throating porn star dreams.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:08 am

I think KC's defense is moving in the right direction, but let's face it, they've got a long way to go even to become a middle-of-the pack defense, ........ let alone a GOOD NFL unit.

An aging cornerback isn't the cure-all, that's for sure.

I think Law is a good piece to the big puzzle though.

I'm still pretty sure Randy Moss & Co. will make him cry.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:15 am

poptart wrote:

I'm still pretty sure Randy Moss & Co. will make him cry.

RACK

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:42 am

ALL day long !!!!!!

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:45 pm

Raydah James wrote:
Hope that motherfucker can cover for 12 seconds with that dogshit D-line.

that's really the other part of the equation....isn't it......

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:15 pm

Love the signing; however, I'm a little bit curious concerning the terms and length of the deal.

Signing Law for five years likely means a bunch of guaranteed money up front, and a slew of incentives and escalators on the back. While he's one of the greats, I don't know of too many DBs that can hold up into their late thirties (freakish Green the exception). That leads me to believe he's either a play into the ground and cut player (2 years), or yet another one of King Carl's safety-conversion projects.

Either way, he's probably not going to last for more than a couple years. Either father time will get him at CB, or Bernard Pollard will at S.

Still ... you can't help that giddy feeling having Law and Surtain at the corners this season. Despite the fact we've taken steps to strengthen our DL with promising young players, it still leaves our DL completely suspect for the first part of the season, at least.

So, what's Law bring to the table?

Blitzes ... lots and lots and lots of blitz packages.

When Gunther finally emerges from yesterday's signing-induced spank session, he's going to have that glazed donut look in his eye, and another 200-page notebook full of brand-new blitz packages to unleash.

Gun the conquerer is but one player away from having everything he needs to wreak havoc on the NFL ... a dominant lineman to command an every-down double-team.

Is that player already on the roster?

Could be, but I doubt we'll find out before the leaves turn.

Either way, the glass is once again half-full.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:06 pm

Good signing no doubt about it. Is it all Paul and Wag's are giddy about? uh..NO
One 32 year old veteran added to the 25th. ranked defense would not seem to equate to a freeking Super Bowl. Did K.C. just move from 25th. to say 20th....perhaps.

The myopia in K.C. takes a back seat to NOBODY.

joe6pac · Post by **joe6pac** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:47 pm

Good signing, there have been other changes in personel and staff. The Chiefs defense should be considerably better.

Nixhex · Post by **Nixhex** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:15 pm

joe6pac wrote:Good signing, there have been other changes in personel and staff. The Chiefs defense should be considerably better.

Exactly. A defensive minded head coach being a big difference. Vermiel didn't give a shit about defense. Gunther was allowed to hire new coaches for the defensive staff instead of using Robinson's leftovers. Like Orc said at least one of the DT's needs to step up big this year. It will also be interesting to see how much of an impact Hali will have. Kendrell Bell should finally be healthy. Hopefully his play steps up a notch as well. The biggest diffence to me is the cover 2 scheme they will be running this year. I think it really fits this defense better. Depth on the offense particularly at RB, QB and WR has me a little worried. Should be a fun and interesting season. Go Chiefs!

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:28 pm

Nixhex wrote: Kendrell Bell should finally be healthy.

I laughed.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:42 pm

Headhunter wrote:
Nixhex wrote: Kendrell Bell should finally be healthy.

I laughed.

No shit. That's one of the funnier posts I've seen. When it comes to oxymorons, Kendrell Bell and "healthy" are right up there with Peyton Manning and "clutch".

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:59 pm

Felix wrote:the KC defense just got a lot better......

Considering he's way past his prime, this just says more about how BAD the KC defense is vs. how GOOD they are now.

I agree they got a lot better.

Unfortunately, they are still bad.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:59 pm

That depends on perspective.

If you are most people, you see the changes on paper and are optimistic for an improved season.

If you're KC fan, you book a flight to South Florida on the news of signing a 32 y.o. CB

Most of us are going to wait to see some evidence of said improvement.

I think my team has improved itself, but I'ma wait to see how that unfolds before I gas up the Winnebago and load the cooler with brats and beer.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:17 pm

Even Deion Sanders, by many considered the greatest CB to play the game, hung up the spikes after his 32 year old season with Washington. His "comeback" was an embarrasment.

Ty Law, while great in years past, is not the same player he once was. This is a young man's game. Sure, some older guys can still hack it under center or kicking the ball or blocking on the line. There have been few exceptions.

32 is ancient in the NFL. Here is a snippet from a 2003 article:

Since 1995, the average age of the players in the league has dropped three years. NFL teams want to recruit younger players, and the spring league has accommodated this.

I found a different source that stated the average age of an NFL player was 27 years old. 27...back when Ty Law was at his best.

I'm not saying it is impossible for Law to help this team. I am saying he's not the answer and he DAMN WELL will not make this defense significantly better.

Kansas City was 25th out of 32 last year in overall defense. Expect more of the same.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:35 pm

IndyFrisco wrote: This is a young man's game. Sure, some older guys can still hack it under center or kicking the ball or blocking on the line. There have been few exceptions.

I call bullshit.

Sin,
Albert Lewis and James Hasty

Just to name two off the top of my head who remained exceptionally serviceable DB's way past the age of 32.

I'm sure there are many other examples.

All the naysayers can go blow goats. This IS a great signing by KC, if for no other reason than I'll never have to hear the words "William Burntee" and "defensive back" uttered in the same sentence again.

Nixhex · Post by **Nixhex** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:56 pm

10 int's last year at 31 wasn't too shabby. Hell I'll take 6 and be happy. Definitely an improvement over the crap the Chiefs have been throwing out there for quite some time. I would have rather done it through the draft but CP hasn't drafted a CB worth a damn since Dale Carter.

Th · Post by Th » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:58 pm

ChargerMike wrote:The myopia in K.C. takes a back seat to NOBODY.

FACT. Lets not forget that along with Law's 10 INT's last year he was the most penalized player at his position in the ENTIRE league.

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:02 pm

You know,,had the Raiders signed Law, Chieffan would have been falling over themselves laughing at us for signing another "over the hill" player.

Just my 2 cents.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:08 pm

^^^ True dat ^^^

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:11 pm

The Assassin wrote:You know,,had the Raiders signed Law, Chieffan would have been falling over themselves laughing at us for signing another "over the hill" player.

Hell, they already did that shit for years when we were winning 3 straight West titles and making a Super Bowl run.

The Big difference being that we didnt choke like 2 dollar ho's with our home field advantage and made it to the big show.

The bottom is going to fall out-sooner than later, KC tards. This year will be that year that your alzheimers patients start cashing those fucking checks........and I'll be laughing my ass off through every second of your fucking misery......again.

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:20 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:I'm not saying it is impossible for Law to help this team. I am saying he's not the answer and he DAMN WELL will not make this defense significantly better.

While I wouldn't necessarily call that a contradiction (more of a CYA statement), you're emphatic stamp suggests otherwise.

If healthy, Ty Law will help this defense considerably.

Not from making superhuman plays, not from locking down number one receivers and not from striking fear into opposing quarterbacks eager to throw away from Law's side of the field.

True ... those days have likely passed; however, the defensive players that CAN fulfill your statement above are few and far between, at any age.

What a player of Law's caliber does do is allow the defense more flexibility. Where coverage had to roll in order into protect mode most of the time last year, Surtain and Law won't require that. In turn, more pages of Gunther's playbook become available. Linebackers formerly forced to drop into coverage can blitz much more often and, more importantly, have the flexibility to blitz on any down.. Safeties can play closer to the line and do the same.

Flexibility.

Ty Law and Patrick Surtain shore up a previous hole in our defense. No amount of heaved stones from the peanut gallery can change that.

Do we still have holes?

Absolutely; however, every defense in this day and age has holes. Show me the best unit, and I'll show you one with an ideal scheme for hiding weaknesses while, at the same time, maximizing its mismatches.

Indeed, Ty Law is not the answer, but your statement is flawed. One player alone never is THE answer ... for any team. They simply fill holes in a complex puzzle ... some better than others.

Based on the marketplace, Ty Law is a perfect fit for our puzzle at this time.

Still, intangibles can and do come into play sometimes.

This time last year, I made a weaker case for Surtain's acquisition, as it would move Warfield over to a more comfortable number two spot.

How did he respond?

A four-game suspension, followed by an absolute piss-poor attitude and work ethic once he came back midseason.

Shit happens.

Law's signing could backfire, just as Drew Brees (s'up trev) could reinjure his shoulder or Roethlisberger could decide to go on an alcohol-induced bender and drag race the Pittsburgh freeway system.

It's called risk management.

I'll take my chances with Law and watch what the effect is on the rest of our defense. With a strong secondary and LB corps, all that needs to fall into place is solid improvement from the D-line. If that happens, then this unit absolutely gets significantly better. In a game of inches, that's not as far as you might think.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:28 pm

I think it's a good signing for KC. Hell I wanted him back here in a NE uniform. I think the 10 INT's last year are misleading. It shows that QB's were not afraid to throw in his direction. Usually the best CB's are at the bottom of the INT list because they don't get many chances. It's like when Manny Ramirez leads the league in outfield assists. Is he a good outfielder......hardly.......is it because people run on him......absolutlely. Ty and Manny both executed when challenged though and that is all you can ask.....

Overall it can't help but make them better......

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:11 pm

Raydah James wrote:
The Assassin wrote:You know,,had the Raiders signed Law, Chieffan would have been falling over themselves laughing at us for signing another "over the hill" player.
Hell, they already did that shit for years when we were winning 3 straight West titles and making a Super Bowl run.

Wrong. Had the 'duhs signed Ty Law right from under our noses, I'd have been cursing the Fates and King Carl like all my brethren routinely like to do.

Then I'd have said it was a nice pick-up for Chokeland.

The bottom is going to fall out-sooner than later, KC tards. This year will be that year that your alzheimers patients start cashing those fucking checks........and I'll be laughing my ass off through every second of your fucking misery......again.

Sniff, sniff...what's that smell? Do I smell an emminent wager wit Bro James in the air? I believe that I do.

Pick your poison.

Dumbass · Post by **Dumbass** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:44 pm

War Wagon wrote:Not yes, but...

HELL YES!
KC is now a legit SB contender.

Did I miss something or was KC a top 15, top 10 defense last year that is fine tuning with this signing?

This defense is now the caliber of the participants of recent years? A NWE, PIT, BAL, TB, CAR???

KC is not facing quite the same offensively challenged schedule of a year ago peeps and while it may have looked better to ya, it didn't set the world on fire. You have a lot more to compensate for than just your own deficiencies on defense because many of the offenses you faced last year had their fare share of deficiencies and they still didn't do all that well. The defenses doing it these days give up 3 scores and that doesn't mean you're in the thick of it when you can say the same but they're all touchdowns. Does this signing bring KC's average allowed points into the mid-teens? I don't think so.

Solid signing but I think you have enough holes to still take those guys out of the game. It is indeed half full though but this is a patch and maybe not something that should be as exciting as drafting the next Ed Reed.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:16 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote: Bottom line: signing Ty Law filled a NEED, plain and simple.

Yes, it fullfilled King Carl's need to put false hope in KCtard and sell more fucking seats. Again.

It also filled his need to spend the last bit of cap money left on a potential bust of an old man.

Th · Post by Th » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:26 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:And yet he's STILL BETTER than ANY CB the Raydahs currently have....ain't the truth a real BITCH, Jamesy???

Now THAT aint sayin much

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:31 am

War Wagon wrote:Not yes, but...

HELL YES!

I freaking love this signing. KC is now a legit SB contender.

Phins '72 watch out. Undefeated. Best team of all-time. Larry Johnson to break Emmitt's all-time rushing record. Best o-line ever!

This season on THE CHIEFS!

Will this be the year they finally actually win something? Will this be the year that they aren't an embarrassment? Will this season be the year chief fan doesn't attempt suicide? Will the rescue team make it to paul before the brat chokes him? Will the referendum pass?

Will it ever end? Stay tuned.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:35 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:And yet he's STILL BETTER than ANY CB the Raydahs currently have....ain't the truth a real BITCH, Jamesy???

Wrong.

Our corners more than held thier own and did an outstanding job of sticking to thier assignments and tackling the run when needed.

........And they're about 50 years younger than your cripples.

Asomugha and Washington are incredibly fast, young, and smart. This year, with the addition of Huff, they will be a force to be reckoned with-especially since Starks and Poole have been mentoring them on techniques and ballhawking properly.

Meanwhile, I can hear Law icyhoting his creaky fucking joints from here.

Dumbass · Post by **Dumbass** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:21 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote: (Stupidity)

Shut up idiot. Far be it from you to understand the point. Who the fuck was talking to you anyways? Nobody has claimed what? Um, so you or your brothas haven't said that but they are IMPLYING it idiot by stating that you are now in the ranks of the teams I mention because they are claiming SB quality. You have to be thinking that you are that good if you want us to think you know what you are talking about and if you come in here spouting off like that, you are IMPLYING that you are fully aware of what it takes to be one of these defenses that qualifies for contention. Get it dumbass?

Hey fuckhead? You don't speak English either ha fuckface? Says a lot for the KC education. Bwahahahahaha.

Listen assface. Let me put it in Kindergarten terms.

The offenses you played last year, especially out of division, SUCKED.

KC still had a hard time shutting anyone down and you do not have that same luxury this year.

Solid defenses MIX IN SOME FGS instead of TDs everytime down.

GET IT NOW YOU FUCKING IDIOT?

This is why I don't come in here to talk to dumbfucks like you anymore so you can shut up now. Nothing you say means shit you bandwagoning, myopic tird. You're a fuckin tool, Polly. You are my shit stains brotha, you do not rate. You are a scrotum sucker and can lick my sweaty bean bags next. This is why this place sucks balls now, too many idiots like yourself coming in here thinking they got their shit together.

If you said that shit, I would not be surprised and everyone would know you are a dumbfuck but I thought I would put Wags in check or pose a question TO HIM because he at least holds some and when he says it, it's worth discussing. If you say it, we all just shake our heads and go look at the idiot again.

Is it me or have you missed al the years your dumbass keeps coming in here spouting the same thing every pre-seaosn only to eat shit every year?

Like you're going to learn anything. You haven't yet so why should we start now?

Dumbass · Post by **Dumbass** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:31 am

Th wrote:
KC Paul 3.0 wrote:And yet he's STILL BETTER than ANY CB the Raydahs currently have....ain't the truth a real BITCH, Jamesy???

Now THAT aint sayin much

No shit and what does that get you moron?

Woo hoo better than Oakland, fucking - A those are high standards.

What an idiot.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:10 am

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:One point that has been missed in all of this is the fact that Herm let Gunther Cunningham get rid of all his assistant coaches from the previous two years (that were handed down to him from the Greg Robinson abortion) and bring in all of HIS guys. Now with all of the defensive coaches on the same page AND a head coach that actually gives a rat's ass about the quality of defensive play they almost don't have any choice but to get better, even without Ty Law.

Did Herm also allow Gunther to strap a seat belt around DT and bring his stripper addicted ass back to life? Or are the Chiefs going to be stuck with the same rejects they had last year plus Ty Law?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:16 pm

PISC is fun in a 'wait'll your father gets home' sort of way.

If it was me, Paul, I'd come back with a little more than the ol' supah-fresh meltdown pic.

Yeah, but that's just me.

Your ass doin' alright ... ?