Funny, but I always thought it'd be Diamond Dave, not EVH...

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:12 pm

Dins, I know you of all people know that Yngwie most often eschews the pentatonic scale in favor of classical modes.

Even when he makes instructional blues videos wherein he attempts to use pentatonic in order to somewhat stay within the blues idiom it's a damn struggle for him to avoid dipping into his vast array of modal knowledge...

You know better than that, Dins. C'mon now.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:12 pm

Van wrote:B, yep, that picture shows that he'd lost a ton of weight from his G3 tour days, when he had to be pushing 300 lbs.

But still not thin enough that he wants his entire wardrobe from 1991(or whenever that was) back -- the one that was taken from him by his opening act, as punishment for him being such a superlative fucking asshole.

Not sure if I ever told that story. My good friend and next-door-neighbor of several years and his cohorts were quite-the-charaters. And Yngwei flat PISSED THEM OFF. So he had to finish his tour with only one rhinestone-studded dork-costume, rather than an entire clothing rack full...like he owned before he pissed off some people who'd just as soon kill his than hear his shit. Which is how his entire wardrobe ended up in their van. That was a funny fucking story at the time.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:29 pm

qbert wrote:how does Jeff Beck fall into "the BEST?"

Considering the acclaim Hendrix receives I'd say Jeff Beck is the single most underrated rock guitarist ever.

How's that?

Pretty much everything Hendrix receives credit for, it all could've just as easily been applied to Jeff Beck. He was right there with Hendrix at that time, doing the same stuff, with the same new gear.

Problem is, aside from his brief forays with the Yardbirds and Rod Stewart Jeff Beck simply never did anything that was even remotely commerically accessible. Hendrix did.

I guess Beck had a little bit of MTV run with "Infatuation" and "People Get Ready" with, again, Rod Stewart, but the "Infatuation" popularity was primarily due to the smoking performance in the video from the stupidly hot Kay Lenz.

for me its:

Page

Best rock guitar composer ever, bar none. Damn good player too in the early days, before he let himself go.

My main guitar hero growing up, along with Hendrix.

Beck
Hendrix
Yngvie
Vai

Obviously.

Chuck

Mangione? Berry? Norris? Barkley? E. Cheeze?

SRV

My all time number one, if you made me pick my #1 influence and all time favorite player. Definitely the best and most wicked pure blues player I've ever heard.

EC

Certainly in the early years.

Satrioni

Drummer says he sucks.

:-)

maybe EVH

Great innovator, GREAT rock rhythm player, great writer, great performer, when he wasn't too shitfaced.

About as important a player as there ever was...

(there's a few Blues guys my brain is missing...i'm stuck on Robert Cray...)

I love Cray, big time, but probably as much for his writing and singing as for his guitar playing. He's a great simple blues player but he's no Clapton, much less a Gary Moore, much less an SRV.

Two guys who need to be mentioned are Monty Montgomery (I think TTB already mentioned him) and, again, Steve Morse. There's nobody who's a better all around player than Steve Morse and Monty is just a straight up alien.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:33 pm

Mister Bushice wrote:Yeah, I was surprised at how simple EVH's technique is too. I never saw him play before, I've only heard it.

Even Watching DLR in those videos. He borders on Male Cheerleader at times on stage, and when he has nothing to sing, he does that asthmatic scream.

they sure were fun back in the day, though.

I have to say that I was in utter shock as I watched those live VH videos with Roth. That may well have been the worst vocal performance I have ever seen in my life. I could have sung those songs better than he did. Hell, your average lush at a kareoke bar could have sucked down a bar full of Jagerbombers and still blown DLR's doors off.

Wow, just absolutely horrible. I still hate Van Hagar. But I can at least begin to understand why VH kicked Roth to the curb.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:34 pm

Hendrix...U&L guy.

Robert Cray...U&L guy.

SRV...not a U&L guy...but gained his eraly claim-to-fame in the U&L(when he played the Oregon State Prison at an inmate's request...that was strange, but his first really big show).

I've seen Robert Cray a couplefew times. Always awesome. Saw him open for the Dead, WAYYYYYYY back when...what a day of guitar gods that was, since I got to watch THE BEST live player, bar none(not even a close contest), after Cray was done.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:35 pm

Oh, and one more mention (Drummer approved, this one), along with one more Zy/Dins/AP moment:

Allan Holdsworth.

Basically, just shut the fuck up if you're talking best players in the world and you don't immediately throw his name into the mix. He can make even the best of "normal" players seem musically retarded.

As for the Zy/Dins moment, back in the 80s I had the good fortune to have Holdsworth give me a post concert guided tour through his entire stage rig, which back then included that ridiculous SynthAxe contraption.

Dude had to've had over $100K worth of gear on stage with him in that tiny little fifty person upstairs jazz club. Dude was also the most gracious, classy and down to earth gentleman you'd ever hope to meet.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:39 pm

BSmack wrote:
Mister Bushice wrote:Yeah, I was surprised at how simple EVH's technique is too. I never saw him play before, I've only heard it.

Even Watching DLR in those videos. He borders on Male Cheerleader at times on stage, and when he has nothing to sing, he does that asthmatic scream.

they sure were fun back in the day, though.
I have to say that I was in utter shock as I watched those live VH videos with Roth. That may well have been the worst vocal performance I have ever seen in my life. I could have sung those songs better than he did. Hell, your average lush at a kareoke bar could have sucked down a bar full of Jagerbombers and still blown DLR's doors off.

Wow, just absolutely horrible. I still hate Van Hagar. But I can at least begin to understand why VH kicked Roth to the curb.

My thoughts exactly when I saw those clips. Again, what ever gave Dave the idea that he could sing?

Amazingly enough though, it still worked, didn't it? Frontment don't really need to be able to sing as much as they simply need to be good frontment, and he was certainly one of the four or five best rock frontment ever, along with Jagger, Daltry, Plant and Tyler.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:42 pm

Van wrote:Dude was also the most gracious, classy and down to earth gentleman you'd ever hope to meet.

I could tell a semi-Zysdale story, one that would make me defend Steve Vai's character to the very end.

I could...but I probably won't. I'll just say that Stevie went WAY WAY out of his way, WAY beyond the call of mere human decency, and touched the life of someone very close to me at a time he really needed it. If Stevie's shit should ever go bad(not likely) the man will ALWAYS have a roof over his head and something to eat...no matter what.

I'll leave it at that.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:45 pm

Van wrote:I also met Vai, bit only insofar as it was an informal meet and greet where we said hello, shook hands and that was that...

Other than maybe Ken Norton Sr Vai probably has the biggest fucking hands I've ever seen. Go to the Hollywood Guitar Center some day and check out their "Walk Of Fame" in front of the store, where they have all the signed cement handprints in the walkway out front.

Check out the size of Vai's meathooks compared to Eddie's, Page's and Jeff Beck's. They're all grouped right together in what's definitely the coolest grouping in that whole display. I think only Chuck Berry's handprints are close to the size of Vai's...

Dude, there's something almost iriesque about that hand size fascination of yours, but, while we're on the topic, seems like most guitar gods have monsterous paws. Is it a neccessity to have big hooks to play certain notes, or does it just make it a little easier?

That Ukelele wytch I met in hawaii had hands like a 9 year old girl. Maybe that's why he's not playing a guitar. Too bad. He has the technical skills to play for anybody.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:51 pm

Van wrote:My thoughts exactly when I saw those clips. Again, what ever gave Dave the idea that he could sing?

My guess is that when he first started out, he had to have some skills. But obviously, by the time Fair Warning came out, he was not about making it a priority to take care of his pipes or even doing the simple things like remembering the words he was supposed to be singing.

Amazingly enough though, it still worked, didn't it? Frontment don't really need to be able to sing as much as they simply need to be good frontment, and he was certainly one of the four or five best rock frontment ever, along with Jagger, Daltry, Plant and Tyler.

With the execption of Jagger, all those guys had sets of pipes just about any rock singer would kill for. What amazed me most about watching those videos was just how any of the high parts were covered by Michael Anthony and EVH while DLR stumbled around stage doing his Kung Fu shit. Shit, they could have been a 3 man band with no problem.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:52 pm

Dinsdale wrote:I've seen Robert Cray a couplefew times. Always awesome. Saw him open for the Dead, WAYYYYYYY back when...what a day of guitar gods that was, since I got to watch THE BEST live player, bar none(not even a close contest), after Cray was done.

I always had you pegged for a BIGGGGGGGGG Bob Weir fan.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:53 pm

None of this really matters, though...

If Neil Diamond had decided to become a rock guitarist, we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:58 pm

smackaholic wrote:
Van wrote:I also met Vai, bit only insofar as it was an informal meet and greet where we said hello, shook hands and that was that...

Other than maybe Ken Norton Sr Vai probably has the biggest fucking hands I've ever seen. Go to the Hollywood Guitar Center some day and check out their "Walk Of Fame" in front of the store, where they have all the signed cement handprints in the walkway out front.

Check out the size of Vai's meathooks compared to Eddie's, Page's and Jeff Beck's. They're all grouped right together in what's definitely the coolest grouping in that whole display. I think only Chuck Berry's handprints are close to the size of Vai's...
Dude, there's something almost iriesque about that hand size fascination of yours, but, while we're on the topic, seems like most guitar gods have monsterous paws. Is it a neccessity to have big hooks to play certain notes, or does it just make it a little easier?

That Ukelele wytch I met in hawaii had hands like a 9 year old girl. Maybe that's why he's not playing a guitar. Too bad. He has the technical skills to play for anybody.

Yeah, I know, I know. Even as I was writing it I could feel the Gay Factor riding shotgun...

It's just a fact though. Besides Vai being one of the best people you'd ever hope to meet he also has Michael Jordan sized paws. So did SRV, Hendrix and Chuck Berry.

Then again though Page's hands aren't that big and neither are Eddie's so no, having huge hands isn't a prerequisite.

I'd say having slender fingers is more important for guitar playing than having huge hands. Vai's hands are fucking freakishly huge but he doesn't have fat sausage fingers.

Artist, Brian Setzer is obviously damn good at what he does. Rockabilly is just a different genre though but he'd he'd smoke anybody mentioned so far as long as they stuck to rockabilly. Maybe Steve Morse could hang with him there, but that's about it...

mothster · Post by **mothster** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:59 pm

BSmack wrote:
Van wrote:My thoughts exactly when I saw those clips. Again, what ever gave Dave the idea that he could sing?
My guess is that when he first started out, he had to have some skills. But obviously, by the time Fair Warning came out, he was not about making it a priority to take care of his pipes or even doing the simple things like remembering the words he was supposed to be singing.

Amazingly enough though, it still worked, didn't it? Frontment don't really need to be able to sing as much as they simply need to be good frontment, and he was certainly one of the four or five best rock frontment ever, along with Jagger, Daltry, Plant and Tyler.
With the execption of Jagger, all those guys had sets of pipes just about any rock singer would kill for. What amazed me most about watching those videos was just how any of the high parts were covered by Michael Anthony and EVH while DLR stumbled around stage doing his Kung Fu shit. Shit, they could have been a 3 man band with no problem.

i'd add freddie mercury to the frontman with pipes club and since when did evh sing?

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:01 pm

mothster wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Van wrote:My thoughts exactly when I saw those clips. Again, what ever gave Dave the idea that he could sing?
My guess is that when he first started out, he had to have some skills. But obviously, by the time Fair Warning came out, he was not about making it a priority to take care of his pipes or even doing the simple things like remembering the words he was supposed to be singing.

Amazingly enough though, it still worked, didn't it? Frontment don't really need to be able to sing as much as they simply need to be good frontment, and he was certainly one of the four or five best rock frontment ever, along with Jagger, Daltry, Plant and Tyler.
With the execption of Jagger, all those guys had sets of pipes just about any rock singer would kill for. What amazed me most about watching those videos was just how any of the high parts were covered by Michael Anthony and EVH while DLR stumbled around stage doing his Kung Fu shit. Shit, they could have been a 3 man band with no problem.
i'd add freddie mercury to the frontman with pipes club and since when did evh sing?

EVH and Michael Anthony both sang backup in Van Halen. Of the three, including DLR, Anthony probably had the best pipes. I don't think he would have worked as a frontman, though.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:04 pm

Van wrote:he'd smoke anybody mentioned so far as long as they stuck to rockabilly. Maybe Steve Morse could hang with him there, but that's about it...

Oh, I'm pretty sure I've mentioned the Greatest Live Player Ever, and if you think Brian Setzer would look anything but super-silly in some sort of duel with Jerry, then you're fucking nuts.

Just fucking nuts. Although Jerry was equally comfortable playing any genre, rockabilly was right in His wheelhouse.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:09 pm

Jerry was not equally comfortable playing any genre...

Moth, Eddie and M.A. both sang back up all the time and together they always sounded much better than Dave ever could...

As for Freddy Mercury, yeah, there's no denying his abilities. He belongs on the list.

Thing is, he was just too goddammned flamboyantly gay for me to ever enjoy watching his onstage shtick. See, for my rock frontman entertainment dollar I gotta believe that dude is fucking the entire front row of chicks, not his own bass player.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:16 pm

Dinsdale wrote:None of this really matters, though...

If Neil Diamond had decided to become a rock guitarist, we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

Ditto for Glen Campbell.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:16 pm

Van wrote:Jerry was not equally comfortable playing any genre...

:meds:

So, the guy who about a year ago asked whether Jerry was any good, due to his complete unfamiliarity with him, is now telling a :hugefan: what genres he played?

Ok there, cowboy.

Go ahead and name the genre Jerry wouldn't break into at will.

Go right ahead.

Rock? Got'er covered(although whenever it was time to bust out the metal licks and hammer-on shit, he'd generally leave that for Bobby). Jazz? A staple. Bluegrass/rockabilly? Newsflash -- mainstream rock didn't even know what those were until Jerry introduced them to the rock masses. C&W? His first love. Classical? At will.

But please Van, educate us Dead fans about Jerry some more...no really...it makes you look smart and stuff.

Oh, and if you list anyone besides Scotty Moore as the "most influential rock guitarist," you're an idiot.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:18 pm

Van wrote:Jerry was not equally comfortable playing any genre...

You might just want to check out some of the stuff he did with Howard Wales before making that statement.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:21 pm

BSmack wrote:You might just want to check out some of the stuff he did with Howard Wales before making that statement.

I figured it would be just a matter of time before the Heads showed up to the pile-on.

Van, I say this with all sincerety -- this would be an EXCELLENT time for you to shut the fuck up.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:22 pm

Drive by to RACK the greatest guitarist on earth-Alan Holdsworth*

.......and Randy Rhodes as well.

AP automatically gets a RACK for EVH.

No sense in reading what the multitude of dumbfucks in here think, since your opinions mean jack. fucking. shit. anyway

*hooking up with his daughter had no bearing on his #1 spot

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:28 pm

*hooking up with his daughter had no bearing on his #1 spot

Alan Holdsworths daughter is a skanky she-male-ish rock chick??

Who knew?

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:33 pm

Dins wrote:Oh, and if you list anyone besides Scotty Moore as the "most influential rock guitarist," you're an idiot.

Jimi Hendrix.

Case closed.

Scotty Moore didn't influence rock guitar playing anywhere near as much as Hendrix did. Not even close. Not even in the discussion.

What genre is Jerry Garcia not equally comfortable playing?

Jeez...

Oh, lessee here...

"Friday Night In San Francisco" style Al DiMeola acoustic shred...

Paco De Lucia style flamenco...

Dimebag Darryl style blender rock...

SRV style real rip your face off blues...

EVH style heavy party rock, replete with tapping and dive bombing...

Steve Vai style instrumental/virtuoso shred...

Yngwie style Neo Classical shred...

Stanley Jordan style tapping...

Just to name a few. No, Jerry Garcia couldn't hang with any of that, at all.

Fuck, Dins, first you say Yngwie is mired in pentatonic and now you're saying Jerry Garcia could hang with Vai if it came down to a rock virtuoso head cuttin' duel or the Great Kat if it came down to a speed shred duel...'cause he's equally comfortable playing ANY genre!!

Sorry, chuckles, but there isn't a player on earth who's equally comfortable playing TWO genres, much less ALL genres. Jerry Garcia has never even played all genres, or even most genres. NOBODY has.

Got any other 100% Ig'nant gems for us?

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:44 pm

Btw, Dins, a guitar playing buddy of mine is just laughing his ass off reading your posts in this thread...

He just IM'd me with, "Who is this Dins guy? He says Yngwie plays the pentatonic scale over and over again? Does Dins even play guitar?

He didn't aknowledge his mistake (yet)"

I then attempted to explain to him that you always just keep right on blowing through, regardless of how many times you get clocked stupid.

Dude, trying to explain you to someone who doesn't know how "you roll", man, you gotta give me credit for even trying.

You're no picnic!

:-)

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:47 pm

Van wrote: Scotty Moore didn't influence rock guitar playing anywhere near as much as Hendrix did. Not even close. Not even in the discussion.

:WORLDSBIGGESTROLLEYES:

Yeah, because it's not like Scotty Moore INVENTED what we know today as "rock guitar," or anything like that.

Certified dumbassness on your part. Truly.

now you're saying Jerry Garcia could hang with Vai if it came down to a rock virtuoso head cuttin' duel or the Great Kat if it came down to a speed shred duel...

Link to where I said that?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Leave it to Van to go to the "I'll make shit up, and attribute it to the opposing view" card when he's been outed for not knowing what he's talking about.

Since I've seen the two guitarists you mention in that paragraph at least a dozen times each, I think I'm quite a bit more qualified to comment on which is a better live player.

And in this case, you're talking about the guys I'd rank as #1 and #2 on my all-time list.

In terms of a duel to see who can inspire the crowd with their sweet, sweet sounds...Stevie is one of the very few who could hang with Jerry in that department. Very few. Believe it or not, there's a reason why Jerry's band sold about twice as many tickets as any other band in history. Because nobody, and I mean nobody, could even approach Jerry's ability to interact with a crowd without saying a word, and nobody could ever come close to being able to feed off the collective energy the way Jerry did. Part of it was His ability to effortlessly swing from genre to genre seamlessly -- he offered something for everyone's musical taste.

You've been studying at the IB School Of Contrarianism too much.

And on that note, there's nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:48 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Although Jerry was equally comfortable playing any genre, rockabilly was right in His wheelhouse.

Dead heads tend to see things quite differently than those who aren't. If you're talking about influences on other musicians, I really don't recall hearing many big name modern day guitarists list Jerry as one of them.

And if you aren't a dead head you aren't heavily influenced by Jerry. I was too young to get them when they were popular, and later on when I listened to them, I never got into them nor did I ever see Jerry standing out as the end all of cross genre guitar players. Good? Yes, certainly. Ground breakling, trail blazing? In psychedelic rock yeah. But not mainstream.

And I think Frank Zappa belongs on that list. Maybe not so near the top, but he should be there. Now there was a cross genre fool. 60 albums in 30 something years, and more genres than you could think of. Good guitarist, too. I recall a story about him personally thanking EVH for "reinventing the guitar"

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:52 pm

Van wrote:Btw, Dins, a guitar playing buddy of mine is just laughing his ass off reading your posts in this thread...

When the day comes that I entertain myself by showing my buddies this board...

That will be the day I kill myself, and scrawl "RACK Van" in my blood on the mirror as I slowly bleed out.

You need to get yourself down to the local hospital, and get a life-transplant...STAT.

And sliding that into a "YHKYOA" post was...was...I don't know what it was, but it was disturbing on many levels.

"I sent a link to this thread to one of my friends who doesn't post here, so we could discuss Dinsdale via IM. Wow, that ol' Dins sure KHOA!"

You've GOT TO be fucking kidding me.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:54 pm

I would say that Jerry Garcia was equaly comfortable playing straight blues, western swing, bluegrass, folk, r&b, 60s pop, psychedelic blues, gospel, straight jazz, beebob and fusion. And if he gave a shit about copping Dimebag's style, he could have picked it up in an afternoon or two.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:54 pm

Dins...

"Equally comfortable playing ALL genres" is your exact quote.

I then listed a number of genres Jerry's never even attempted. So, by definition, those are all genres wherein no, he would not be EQUALLY comfortable.

This, following your completely ridiculous assertion that Yngwie plays nothing but pentatonic scales. Yngwie, the very guy who's best known for classical modal scales.

You haven't a leg to stand on, dumbass.

You're really getting sloppy these days, Dins. Time to tighten your shit up if you're going to keep wading in like this...

socal · Post by **socal** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:58 pm

Van wrote:He didn't aknowledge his mistake (yet)"

I then attempted to explain to him that you always just keep right on blowing through, regardless of how many times you get clocked stupid.

I'll just let that fester for a little while.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:01 pm

BSmack wrote:I would say that Jerry Garcia was equaly comfortable playing straight blues, western swing, bluegrass, folk, r&b, 60s pop, psychedelic blues, gospel, straight jazz, beebob and fusion. And if he gave a shit about copping Dimebag's style, he could have picked it up in an afternoon or two.

Equally comfortable, but not influential. He was a very good guitar player, but he isn't someone who stands out ala Vai, satriani,Hendrix, evh, SRV, Holdsworth. He's not on that list.

Pioneering substance abuse based music appreciation doesn't count.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:01 pm

BSmack wrote:I would say that Jerry Garcia was equaly comfortable playing straight blues, western swing, bluegrass, folk, r&b, 60s pop, psychedelic blues, gospel, straight jazz, beebob and fusion. And if he gave a shit about copping Dimebag's style, he could have picked it up in an afternoon or two.

You'd say it, but you'd be wrong.

No musician is equally comfortable in a multitude of genres. They all have their comfort zones. They can function in other genres, sure, but they all don't come equally easy.

Beyond that, of couse there's no way in hell he could suddenly attempt to play something he's never played before and instantly be equally comfortable playing it.

Jerry Garcia could not pick up Paco De Lucia's style in an afternoon or two and become equally proficient at it, or equally comfortable playing it.

Absurd.

Dins, your ego runneth amok again. I didn't show my buddy this thread in order to show him YOU. I was showing him this thread because he's a huge EVH fan. In fact, if memory serves, he's the guy who sent me the original "Eddie does porn soundtrack!" link which I posted in this thread.

While reading the thread he just glommed onto your nonsense all on his own, and then he IM'd me about it.

That's just how you roll.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:02 pm

BSmack wrote:I would say that Jerry Garcia was equaly comfortable playing straight blues, western swing, bluegrass, folk, r&b, 60s pop, psychedelic blues, gospel, straight jazz, beebob and fusion. And if he gave a shit about copping Dimebag's style, he could have picked it up in an afternoon or two.

^^^Gets it...except the part about Dime.

Jerry was definitely from the "one note is better than two" school, but had nothing but love for the fastest-chops-in-the-west players.

But your last statement, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, seems like a dis on Dime. Dime is THE BEST metal player ever, and nobody could pick up his style in an afternoon.

But, I'll tell you what -- I can't think of two guys who enjoyed playing with dissimilar guitarists to try and pick stuff up from their style than those two guys. I can only imagine how sweet a jam session with those two would have been. Dime shredding out on some rockabilly licks that Jerry was laying down...I'm getting all fantasy-nostalgic even thinking about it.

Since the last two tunes I heard before typing this were a rockabilly version of Franklin's Tower, and Hollow(strange coincedence...actually not really, considering those are pretty much two of my very favoritest bands ever). Imagine each sitting in with the others band on either of those tunes...that woulda been some stuff, right there. Either guy can go from "tear-jerker" to happy-go-lucky-sunshine at the drop of a hat.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:08 pm

Van wrote:[While reading the thread he just glommed onto your nonsense all on his own, and then he IM'd me about it.

That's just how you roll.

Is there a corner of the internet that I haven't influenced, regardless whether I've visited that corner before?

Jeebus Van, this is getting disturbing. I routinely get sent links to boards I've never posted on when they're having in-depth discussions of my personality disorders....I didn't realize it was a subject on IM discussions throughout the digital world.

I'd suggest you seek help for this problem, post-haste. I'm just some weird dude posting inanities on meaningless internet BBS sites...I'm nothing to base your entire lifestyle on, regardless how flattering that may be.

Puff your chest and posture like an internet badass all you like, Vannie...you just admitted to having in-depth IM converstaions...about me.

You know, in the last week or so, I've had reason to believe that some of you are even bigger losers than even I accuse you of being...and that's saying A LOT.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:19 pm

I routinely get sent links to boards I've never posted on when they're having in-depth discussions of my personality disorders.

Routinely? Shouldn't that tell you or one of your other personalities something?

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:19 pm

Spin, Dinsy, spin...

Btw, after reading this thread my buddy was equally enthralled with Mister Bushice as he was with you, though for different reasons, so I guess you don't stride alone like a colossus over the entire Internet World like you thought you did...

Mister Bushice was mentioned just as much as you were. Damn. Sharing power must suck.

Btw, Part II: I just listened to Far Beyond The Sun again. Funny, but I didn't catch a whole lotta pentatonic up in there.

:?

Can you help a brotha out?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:30 pm

Van wrote:
BSmack wrote:I would say that Jerry Garcia was equaly comfortable playing straight blues, western swing, bluegrass, folk, r&b, 60s pop, psychedelic blues, gospel, straight jazz, beebob and fusion. And if he gave a shit about copping Dimebag's style, he could have picked it up in an afternoon or two.
You'd say it, but you'd be wrong.

Those are styles that I have heard Jerry play at one time or another. Styles that Jerry was comfortable enough playing to release records of him playing or at least comfortable enough to play in front of paying customers. We can nitpick this to death but IMO, if you are comfortable enough with a genre to release an album of yourself playing said genre, then that's pretty fuckin comfortable.

No musician is equally comfortable in a multitude of genres. They all have their comfort zones. They can function in other genres, sure, but they all don't come equally easy.

By "functioning", you mean being able to recall and play somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 different songs at any given time at the drop of a hat? Or maybe just the whim of his bass player?

Beyond that, of couse there's no way in hell he could suddenly attempt to play something he's never played before and instantly be equally comfortable playing it.

Jerry Garcia could not pick up Paco De Lucia's style in an afternoon or two and become equally proficient at it, or equally comfortable playing it.

I'm thinking that Jerome John Garcia was also familiar with flamenco styles.

IMHO, you're just picking way too big a nit with Dins over the definition of the words "equally comfortable".

PS: Dins, that wasn't a dis on Dimebag. It was bait.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:32 pm

Van wrote: Btw, Part II: I just listened to Far Beyond The Sun again. Funny, but I didn't catch a whole lotta pentatonic up in there. Can you help a brotha out?

If it means that much to you, sure.

I'll toss up a "mea culpa" on the Yngwie thing. The reason being, that I can't make it through more than 5 seconds of Yngwie without becoming ill, so I guess I'm not as familiar with him as I could be. Tuned him out at about age 19, and haven't looked back. When he disgraced the G3 tour, me and mine actually left the arena, it was so offensively bad. Good move-btw -- since an aging-but-still-fairly-hot hottie bought my overpriced beer for me, and threw me her digits...something that the word "routinely" also applies to...because that is how I roll.

But, if that's what makes you feel like a Grade-A internet warrior, then run with it, dude.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:35 pm

BSmack wrote: I'm thinking that Jerome John Garcia was also familiar with flamenco styles.

IMHO, you're just picking way too big a nit with Dins over the definition of the words "equally comfortable".

What Van doesn't know on the subject could fill volumes.

Van wrote:Dins, your ego runneth amok again.

Well I ain't often right, but I've never been wrong.