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IndyFrisco wrote:Well, I must say, my hydrometer always gives me different readings. ALWAYS. So I don't know what to trust. I do always use wine yeast.

Well then, trust in the most trustable thing out there...Dinsdale.

Wine yeasts die off at about 17%....just like they have for the last few thousand years.

But mead...ewwwww. Like I said, WAY too easy to get into the ketones and all that jazz if you don't have a lab setup(for that matter, even if you do have a lab). Good for cleaning paint stains off the garage floor...not so good for drinking.

Honey just isn't the right medium to ferment. Don't believe me? Let's put it in perspective -- who, above all other demographics, likes their mead?

M2 and his cronies, that's who.


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Plus, honey is expensive, and is much better used in the making of a peanut butter and honey sammich...or in Dinsdale's Freaking Dolts(RIP, TSB Cooking Forum Database).



So, since I'd hate to see you living in a tree house with a bunch of carnies and posting about "but, for, to and...SUBURBANITES!!!!!!" , then you should probably steer clear of the mead.
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I planted a couple cherry trees in the yard last year specifically so I can make cherry wine eventually. That's one good fruit that thrives in southern Indiana.
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:oops: I like mead.
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And yes, honey IS expensive, especially the amount it takes to make the mead which is another reason I only make a batch a year (about 2 cases).

I will never have a "lab" for wine. Now, for my BBQ sauce, I'd love to have a "lab".
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IndyFrisco wrote:I planted a couple cherry trees in the yard last year specifically so I can make cherry wine eventually. That's one good fruit that thrives in southern Indiana.

You're going to make me go into a "The U&L is the sweet cherry capital of the country" rant?

Nah. But shit's a weed around here.


Unfortunately, both unfavorable spring conditions and what appears to be the onset of disease has severely curtailed the Casa de Dinsdale cherry production. Too bad, since our cherries were classified as "world class" by a personal with an agricultural degree and a family with deep roots in cherry farming.

But, when the day comes and you're ready, get a holf of me for some pointers. If you do it right, you can produce cherry wine that strongly resembles a grape wine, like cab or syrah, with undertones of cherry.

But tossing the stuff in a vat with some sugar and yeast won't get it done. There's some procedures that need to be followed. Fortunately when I did it, it was under the instruction of a real winemaker, who even consulted another winemaker on the exact procedures for doing cherries. It's not at all simple, but infinitely do-able, with potentially outstanding results. Matter of fact, my winemaking buddy is possibly planning on doing a cherry desert wine next year, although for myself, I favor one that's been fermented completely dry, and has a "chewey" mouthfeel to it...because that is how I roll.
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I've had some sweet cherry wine from people who make it around here. Everything I've had tasted like shit. That's why I put tart cherry trees in the yard.

It's not supposed to fruit until next year. Even then, I really don't think the trees will bear enough fruit for a batch of wine. Maybe in 5 years or so.

By then, we'll be on http://www.thochoboard.com
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Back on topic, Brent's "Hot" version of the sauce must be tried out by you BBQ'ers.
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IndyFrisco wrote:That's why I put tart cherry trees in the yard.

Unless your climate dictates it, this is probably a mistake. As I'm sure you know, sweet cherries are sweet because of a higher percentage of total sugars, and tart cherries obviously have less sugars.

On a sidenote, in winemaking, this percentage of sugars is known as "degrees Brix," or much more commonly, just "brix."

The sweetness isn't so much dictated by brix when the fruit hits the crushpad(which yours is probably like my home "crushpad" -- the garage floor), but in how you make the wine. Last batch I did, they were very sweet cherries. And during the fermentaion, sugar was actually added later. Yet the finished product was completely dry, although a couple of the drinkers added sugar after-the-fact-by-the-glass because they preferred a sweet dessert wine.

If you want to make something with some "chew" to it, it's more about getting a full extraction(which we accomplished by doing a cold ferment in an extra fridge), rather than starting with less sugary fruit. Regardless how sweet you want the final product to be, you still essentaiily want the highest amount of sugars you can get.

After all, isn't alcohol just yeast-shit? And doesn't yeast eat sugar?

There you go...


I'll tell you what...if the cherries we harvested this year, which were few and far between, and still sitting in a freezer, end up getting made into wine(just debating if it's even worth it for such a dismal crop, although the fruit is absolutely top-notch), I'll send you a bottle and let you see for yourself.

Putting the sugars in perspective -- ever had a swet bottle of syrah? Ever tasted sweet zinfandel? I kinda doubt it -- yet those varietals can hit the crushpad at 30 brix and up, even up to 36 in the case of some late-harvest zins(which I can't remember the exact number, but I think 36 brix won't ferment completely dry...but I'm not sure). Yet, I doubt you've ever tasted a sweet one. Those ferment completely dry.

So, to be blunt -- those cherry wines you've had of your friends/neighbors tasted the way they did because the person who made it had no idea what they were doing...bottom line. The residual sugars you're tasting is the C&H they were stupid anough to add after the fact, and have nothing to do with the natural sugars in the fruit. As I mentioned, I started with very sweet cherries, and even added sugar(during fermentation), and still fermented it completely dry. The only way to get it sweet after that is to add sugar after the fermentation, which I'm not down with, except in the cases of wines that are only suitable as dessert varietals.


And most "home-winemakers" have little idea about how tartaric acid and whatnot comes into play when fermenting, and is often amongst the myriad reasons why most homemade wine tastes like dirty urinal cakes.


But bottom line -- the sweeter the fruit, the better. I doubt your going to find any fruit that needs to have reverse-osmosis done to make it dry(<----irrelevant to this discussion....I just wanted to sound cool by dropping in the phrase "reverse osmosis"....which is a california thing, usually used to dry out zin that's hit outrageous brix on a late-harvest year).


But, there's much joy to be had making one's own booze. I just have the good fortune to be able to bring my shit to a working winery, and have an actual expert walk me through the process.

One of these days, I WILL have a still, too. I could make brandy up the yingyang.
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Atomic Punk wrote:Back on topic, Brent's "Hot" version of the sauce must be tried out by you BBQ'ers.
Right on.

Had some brats last night after the double header softball game and slathered the Hot BBQ all over em. Had the whole team over. The guys loved it and I ended up selling 3 cases of it to them.
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mouse wrote:After you get the major corp. to make your sauce, will you still make personal bottles?

I found that the tatse is not the same. I remember when PACE picante sauce was in San antonio it seemed to have a different taste after Cambells soup bought thier company.

I really want to try your sauce, Bar B Q is big in Texas you need to start going to all the cook offs so I can see you on the food channel. maybe you can add some jack Daniels to the sauce and enter their contest also.

I hope you make it big don't forget to talk to HEB they are a huge food store here in south Texas Albertsons and Krogers had to leave, they love new products.

Do you have a book or a video on how others can get started in this thing, I make a mean hot sauce .


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I somehow missed this. My bad.

I will still make personal bottles for personal consumption and to give away. I do not plan on having a contract packer make the stuff if it isn't going to taste the same. I haven't had an off the shelf sauce taste anything like mine and I don't care to make a clone of the shit you can already buy at the store.

I no longer live in Texas so I don't plan on morketing it there anytime soon. I plan on starting here locally in the Midwest. I know the owner of a grocery store chain and I am hoping he will put it in his store. I am sure he will as long as I have everything done legally which I plan to do.

As for a book, I bought one online:

http://www.startyourownfoodcompany.com/index.html

I believe it was $20 and it is delivered as a PDF file. It is about 35 pages, but it got me on the right track. I will not distribute the PDF so don't ask. I've emailed the guy who wrote the book back and forth and he deserves every sale on this book. If you're serious about doing it, it is a great book to get started on. He made his own salsa and he lives in Austin. Since you're in San Antonio, you can take advantage of many of his sources he lists. I don't have the same luxury.

Anyhow, sorry for not answering sooner. I seriously didn't see your message, and I wasn't ignoring it because you haven't bought any of my BBQ sauce, which is definitely tasty. Good luck in your business should you choose to pursue it.
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Depends on how you look at it.I paid $20 6 months ago. It got me to think of things I had not thought of before. if you drop $37 on it thinking it is the book that will make you a millionaire, you'll be dissapointed. However, I thought $20 was a good price to pay and I've damn well gotten my money's worth out of it. I'd say I've gotten $37 out of it too.

He goes into detail about what steps you should take to get started. What things you need to think about. I graduated with a business degree, but that doesn't mean I can up and start a business without some help. The book is geared specifically towards starting a food business. So, in your case 88 and the things you are looking to make, it wouldn't mean much for you. If you're trying to bottle a product, it is a good read.
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