For "the ignorant, the stupid and the uneducated"

mothster · Post by **mothster** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:47 pm

BSmack wrote:
Sudden Sam wrote:
BSmack wrote:Sam,

Are you going to answer my post? Or would you rather ignore that little inconvienent truth?
My bad. i got carried away elsewhere.

Re-reading wolf, me and you, I'm not certain what you're asking, but...

My point to wolfie was that Roosevelt most assuredly didn't want to risk our entire fleet. Thus, the carriers, etc. weren't at Pearl.
I'm asking simply for you to explain the catastrophic military defeats suffered by the Allies in the eastern Pacific. If your scenario were true, they would certainly have known that their possessions in said area would be under imminent attack. Why did they not defend these possessions more adequately? Specifically, why did Roosevelt have a mere two armored battalions assigned to defend all of the Philippines if he knew the Japanese were going to be attacking?

Simply put, your theory has too many holes in it.

how's about we didn't have that much fleet for starters

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:00 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:You got me there. There's no doubt that we knew Japan was going to hit us. Doesn't make a lick of sense to have been so ill-prepared elsewhere in the region. But we weren't much of a military power at that point either.

We may not have been the greatest power in the world at that time. But we damn sure had more at our disposal to defend the Philippines than 22,000 regular army infantry and 8,500 National Guard troops.

Simply put, if the battle plan was to lure the Japanese into attacking Pearl, then the next logical measure would have been to beef up the defense of the Philippines as a platform to launch the inevitable counterattack. That did not happen.

Moorese · Post by **Moorese** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:06 pm

JCT wrote:the Japs

I believe they prefer to be called "Nips."

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:09 pm

Moorese wrote:
JCT wrote:the Japs
I believe they prefer to be called "Nips."

If they weren't so good at building ships, the yards would still be open on the Clyde.

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:17 pm

Oh, and it also turns out that FDR could walk.

That bastard!

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:35 pm

Moorese wrote:
JCT wrote:the Japs
I believe they prefer to be called "Nips."

And they're very tasty when coated in chocolate:

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:18 am

mvscal wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:Crap, even that can be turned to the conspiracy theorists favor as could BSmack's query about why would we "give up" the Philipines.
We didn't "give up" the Philippines. We fought the Japs tooth and nail for it.

Relax Mr.Hand, the quotes were there for a reason. I'm fully aware of how hard our boys and philipino boys fought for that island.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:23 am

Tom In VA wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:Crap, even that can be turned to the conspiracy theorists favor as could BSmack's query about why would we "give up" the Philipines.
We didn't "give up" the Philippines. We fought the Japs tooth and nail for it.
Relax Mr.Hand, the quotes were there for a reason. I'm fully aware of how hard our boys and philipino boys fought for that island.

Yeah, All 7,100 of it. ;)

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:29 am

Thanks Bushice, I think I'm done now.