Re: OU / Oregon Final Thoughts

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:50 pm

I don't know where all of you are getting that an OU player touched the ball first. I just watched the video on YouTube. There are about 5 different versions of it, including one entitled "the video that made me change my outlook on life," which I thought was kinda funny.

Right before the 10 yard mark, where an OU player (Malcolm Kelly) is jumping straight up to grab the ball, an Oregon player cuts in front of him and touches the ball first. Then the OU player makes contact with the ball, with his leg. (The Oregon player batted the ball down, and it hits Kelly's leg...) At the end of the scrum, the ball isn't even in the middle of the pile. Allen Patrick (OU #23) grabs the ball, which has squirted out of the pileup, meaning that NOBODY had possession. How can a referee establish possession when the ball wasn't in anybody's hands? How can they allow a BLATANT touch by the kicking team before the 10 yard mark?

How can you, watching the same videos now (Dins), suddenly decide that you're seeing something that isn't there?

I don't care, one way or the other, at this point. The game is going down as an "L" for OU and nothing's going to change that. I'm wearing whatever accessory Dins decides to give me until October because I said I would. But for everybody to try to roll out of bed this morning and decide that OU somehow DIDN'T get screwed is ridiculous and you're only lying to yourselves to try to make your victory less hollow.

It's not a hollow victory. You played your asses off against a really good football team, and you never quit, even when you were up against a seemingly insurmountable task. But, you didn't win it on your own, either. I don't mind saying that Oregon won, but I'll be DAMNED if I can, in good faith; in seriousness and honesty, say that OU lost.

Quack, or whatever you Duck fans say in lieu of Boomer Sooner.

the_ouskull

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:09 pm

I just finished watching the game replay on espn something. The onside call was blown by the refs and replay guys no question. From what I watched, it should have never have gotten that far.

When OU had the ball up 10 with 3 minutes or so to go (may have been less) Peterson runs out of bounds twice. First on the long run that gave them the first and goal, and again later on second and goal. Then there was an incomplete pass in the goal to go series as well, not sure what down. Oregon had only 1 timeout on their game winning possession. With proper clock milking they would not have had any, and there would have been much less time on the clock when they had the ball down by 13.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:12 pm

the_ouskull wrote:
Right before the 10 yard mark, where an OU player (Malcolm Kelly) is jumping straight up to grab the ball, an Oregon player cuts in front of him and touches the ball first. Then the OU player makes contact with the ball, with his leg. (The Oregon player batted the ball down, and it hits Kelly's leg...) At the end of the scrum, the ball isn't even in the middle of the pile. Allen Patrick (OU #23) grabs the ball, which has squirted out of the pileup, meaning that NOBODY had possession. How can a referee establish possession when the ball wasn't in anybody's hands? How can they allow a BLATANT touch by the kicking team before the 10 yard mark?

There isn't a very good camera angle for it, but watch it again -- the OU player appears to have his hand inside Paysingers bent arm. It's ENTIRELY possible the OU player touched it first. To say otherwise is sooooo dishonest, it's pathetic.

The refs made the CORRECT call. Certainly not indisputable evidence to overturn a call. And why would any OU player be so dumb as to touch the ball before it went 10, and make it a live ball? Dumbdumbdumb...let's not overlook that.

As far as the "scrum"? Since when is the result of the scrum relavent after the whistle blows? The ball hit the ground, Patrick Chung fell on it with full control (right in front of the ref's face, just like when the OU player probably touched the kickoff first), and the whistle blew while Chung had it? While you may be able to have your little pity-party over who touched it first, you sure the fuck aren't going to try and claim OU actually came up with the recovery with a straight face, are you?

Seriously?

You know...that recovery where a green shirt falls on the ball, THE WHISTLE BLOWS, and then some OU scrub grabs it and starts dancing? THAT recovery?

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Any excuse in a storm, I guess.

I've never known Soonerfan to be such a whiner. I guess I overestimated their level of class...yet another thing Duckfan obviously PWNS them in.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:18 pm

It's nice of you to try to come in, after stating the truth yesterday, and try to act like some kind of badass today and call out Soonerfan for whining when we have 1) video evidence, and 2) history on our sides...

...but whatever. "Welcome to the board." Got my sig yet?

the_ouskull

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:27 pm

the_ouskull wrote:It's nice of you to try to come in, after stating the truth yesterday, and try to act like some kind of badass today and call out Soonerfan for whining when we have 1) video evidence, and 2) history on our sides...

I've already said my peace -- yesterday, I thought the call was bad. After watching it frame-by-frame this morning, any video evidence is far from conclusive.

And again -- why the hell did the OU player put his hand in the mix, inside the ten-yard boundary? Why would he do something so stupid? I'm sure that's not what his special ed teams coach wanted him to do.

OU made so many mistakes down the stretch, they had no business winning that game. It was only Bellotti that kept them in it in the first place anyway. That Leaf deal was a serious momentum-killer.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:35 pm

Agreed: Re: Leaf

Disagreed: The "hand being in there," etc... Dude, your guy touched it. Think back to your days as a choir boy.

...this was a worse touch... and nobody's trying to cover this one up.

The Pac-10 has already come out and said that they're going to review the calls, etc... per CBS Sportsline. Same shit the Big 12 said last year after we got assfucked by a Lubbock referee IN Lubbock.

the_ouskull

Post Script -- I just realzied... OU is really, really good. It two TWO fuckings in both of those games to beat OU. One GOOD one (the spot at Tech, the kick yesterday) wasn't enough. It took a second one to beat OU each time. (The phantom TD, and the P.I. call, respectively...)

If we beat Tejas, I'll stop giving a fuck.

JayDuck · Post by **JayDuck** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:46 pm

I hate to say it, but Dins is kind of right here. I watched it again this morning a bunch of times and I'm not so sure that there was "conclusive" evidence that the Oklahoma player didn't touch it simultaneously with the Oregon player jumping for it.

With that being said, I definitely THINK that our player did touch the ball first. And the replay angles look like that. But, in every shot, when our player goes up for the ball, there is an Oklahoma player's hand in there as well, inside of our player's arms. The Oklahoma player jumps into the space, before the 10 yard mark, and its true that if he doesn't then the replay would more clearly show Paysinger making contact.

But, if the call on the field was that Oklahoma touched the ball first, I'm not sure sure you have "conclusive" evidence anywhere that says otherwise. If the ref thought he saw the Oklahoma player's hand hit the ball, while our player was going up for it, there is no shot that proves hit didn't. Every angle shows Paysinger up in the air, grabbing the ball AND an Oklahoma player's hands in the space too.It definitely looks like Paysinger touched it first, but conclusive evidence to overturn a call? I don't think so.

As for the recovery, that was definitely legit. Our player, Patrick Chung, fell on the ball, in possession, and the play was whistled dead. OU recovered it after the scrum after that. OU did recover a fumble the same way, earlier in the game.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:59 pm

Honestly, man, I hate it. I fucking hate it. I don't see what you guys are saying about the OU player's hand, but even so, I still hate it. I'm not worried about the kick anymore. They're not going to line us up and have a "re-do." You guys won the game. It's an "L" for OU. Period.

I just hate that, as good as both of those teams played yesterday, as hard as they fought... I hate that it was decided by a fat guy whose wife was probably impregnated by Brian Bosworth at some point.

Good game, Ducks. I wish you'd won it "the right way," but I'm not taking anything away from the fact that you DID win it... (As should be evident by the sig that I'm wearing, which I agree with ALMOST as much as I'd agree to letting The King of Pop babysit my kids...)

the_ouskull

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:00 pm

from the persusal of today's on-line media and fan BBS of other teams who had no dog in the OU-UO fight....virtually no one agrees with Duck fan's limp defense of a very bad call.

props, you guys win....but as hard and often ('sup Dins?) as it's being justified i wonder how much any quack fans really believe what they are repeatedly posting. just because you WANT to believe something, does not make it so.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:03 pm

And again, the PI call was meaningless. OU wrote the Duck recievers a first class ticket to the end zone on the very next play -- it would have gone for 90 yeards, the way it was "defended." Absolutely moot point.

Bottom line -- the Ducks played with the heart of a champion down the stretch, the Sooners played like a team that didn't care if they won or not...that usually doesn't end well for late-game slackers...which they were. They has many, many chances to make a play...one freaking play in two drives was all it would have taken...and they made exactly none. It's pretty important to cover recievers when a team is trying to get two TDs on you in 3 minutes...or do they not throw it downfield in those situations in the Big12, and opt to run three up the middle instead?

Truly piss-poor execution by OU down the stretch, but at least they can blame their failures on the refs, rather than the players and coaches, which is where the blame actually lies.

And the more I see that play, the more it looks like an OU player hit it first...and anyone trying to say that it can "conclusively" be said that's not how it went down, as per the on-field ruling...frankly is smoking crack.

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.

Oh well, the pressing work matters I needed to take care of this morning are finished, and now it looks like I'm off to golf. And you know what -- after yesterdays well-earned victory, bogies just won't hurt my feelings quite so badly today. I could card 18 of them, and I'll still be saying "my golf game may stink today, but at least Oregon won yesterday."

And major "BWAHAHAHAHAS" for my buddy. He's been to just about every kind of sporting event a person can attend...Seahawks games, Mariners games, plenty of AAA games here in town, and even attended the 500th Monday Night Game in Denver...yet it was discovered by a business associate that he'd never been to a CFB game. It was decided that OU/U of O would be a great defloration. Got a call from him before gametime, where he was talking NBA hoops with Jim and John freaking Paxon(and apparently getting quite liquored with them). But two scores down, two minutes to go, his "host" wanted to get "good" seating at a nearby bar...so the stupid fuckers left early. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! He'll be hearing about it for a loooooong time.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:09 pm

King Crimson wrote:just because you WANT to believe something, does not make it so.

And AGAIN -- I didn't believe it, until I saw the frame-by-frame. There is without question an OU player's hand in the mix. And the more I see it, the more it looks like he did poke it through Paysinger's arms and get it first.

Regardless, OU should be blaming the idiot that didn't stay on the right side of the 45 in that situation. Dumddumbdumb...and lost his team the game.

And any debate about the recovery after "the touch" is straight-up moronic. You don't get to come in AFTER THE PLAY IS BLOWN DEAD and pick up the ball and declare victory in the "scrum." Debate "the touch" all you like...that will probably be debated for years to come...but the recovery is a no-brainer -- Oregon ball.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:15 pm

the_ouskull wrote:I just hate that, as good as both of those teams played yesterday, as hard as they fought... I hate that it was decided by a fat guy whose wife was probably impregnated by Brian Bosworth at some point.

Even though I'm on the "winners" side of things -- I still couldn't agree more. So far, replay doesn't seem like it's fixed anything, the way it did in the NFL.

When the dust settles -- that was a great freaking game, sideshows or not. OU's defense really buckled down when they needed to, save for the last 3 minutes, which negated an otherwise well-defended half. And after being utterly dominated in the first half, OU somehow managed to keep themselves within striking distance. And Oregons "question mark" defense didn't give up when the inevitable AD onslaught started, which was frustrating...no matter what Oregon did, it didn't seem to slow Him down in the second half(and that had to be one of, if not the greatest 4th quarter performance by a RB I've ever seen).

Loves me some Johnny Franchise, but he was clearly the second best talback on the field yesterday(give him a few more games, and he'll be mentioned in the same breath as AD. Remember, that was only his second game as a starting RB).

Good, good game. I'm sorry the whining will taint it forever.

OUMO · Post by **OUMO** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:49 pm

Dinsdale
Eternal Idiot

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:53 pm

Questionable calls on both sides, but no complaining here.

The simple fact is OU settled for field goals 4 times, including the possession when they had it on the Oregon 2 and moved backwards -- 20 yards -- on stupid-assed penalties. Put the freaking ball in the end zone when you have the chance and you're up by a lot more than 13 points with 3 minutes left.

Props to Oregon for making all the plays they did, especially at the end of the game. They fought harder for this game and the result reflects it.

P.S. Dan Fouts is a complete moron.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:13 am

RadioFan wrote:P.S. Dan Fouts is a complete moron.

...and that's all that I'm sayin', y'all.

the_ouskull