Colorado will win their next 3 games

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:06 pm

Say what you will about Tom Osborne and Bill McCartney as people (god knows they both recruited their fair share of thugs), but when it comes to coaching, there's really no comparison. Tom Osborne took over a team coming off of back-to-back MNCs and it took him 25 years to win another one. Bill McCartney took over a team that was the laughing stock of the Big 8 (and arguably the nation) and led them to an MNC in less than 10 years. Bode Bill.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:35 pm

Killian wrote: The fact is that Notre Dame was 9-2 entering the Orange Bowl and had no shot at the NC. It was between Colorado and Georgia Tech. So, your assertion that the winner of that game would be the consensus NC is false. Care to refute that?

Fact is, it WAS consensus all around the country that the Orange Bowl winner would be national champion. Sportswriters out front should have told you. If the #1 team wins, they're already #1 and stay there, if the other team beats #1, they have the strongest argument to be #1. GaTech wasn't in the same position even though they stomped the fuck out of the Corn. Only reason ND finished behind the Corn in the final rankings was they had 3 losses to the Corn's 2 losses. The fact that the AP poll survived and the UPI poll didn't is what refutes you. The general public believed AP and thought UPI was full of shit and discredited beyond repair.

As far as the so-called 5th down goes, everybody involved admits that an official's time-out nullified one of the downs Mizzoufan wants to count. The officials admit it, both coaching staffs admit it; it was Charles Johnson's (the QB who scored the touchdown) immediate reaction when the 5th down claim was first made- long, long, long after the game was over, btw.

Your problem is less that you don't fucking know anything than it is that most of what you know is pure bullshit.

Husker4ever · Post by **Husker4ever** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:42 pm

To be fair, Tom's teams during that drought were close a few times and were definately factors in the title equation for most of those years. Could McCartney coach? Without question. Why did he stop? I think he realized the program he built was a contradiction to the religion and morality he espoused as founder of promise keepers. Kinda hard to not be a hypocrite when the program in your charge is a "gangstas paradise" full of sex, partying, and general debauchery.

Husker4ever · Post by **Husker4ever** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:44 pm

Wasn't "Charles Johnson" a receiver, Cuda? You said QB.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:20 am

Husker4ever wrote:Wasn't "Charles Johnson" a receiver, Cuda? You said QB.

there were two "CJ's" at CU--one the WR and the other the backup QB to Hagan in 1990.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:27 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:(Er, the UPI poll is still around. It was purchased by ESPN. You may have heard of it, they call it the ESPN Coaches' Poll.

After the Osborne debacle, the UPI poll was so totally discredited it couldn't continue and folded up. ESPN swept up the ashes & started over with a new coaches poll. You can say they purchased it if you want. Tomayto-tomahto... etc.

And this is the first I've ever heard about an official's timeout nullifying one of the five downs.)

That's because you weren't paying attention; doesn't make you a bad person.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:23 am

Cuda wrote: That's because you weren't paying attention...

Right.

From wikpedia:

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On first down, Johnson spiked the ball to stop the clock. On second down, a power run into the line by Eric Bieniemy was stopped just short of the goal line. But the officiating crew forgot to flip the down marker to note that it was now third down. On the next play, the Buffaloes made the same call and Bieniemy was again stopped short of the end zone. It was now fourth down, and Johnson made what would have been a fatal mistake when he again spiked the ball to stop the clock with two seconds left. That play should have turned the ball over to Missouri, but confusion reigned and the officials now changed the down marker to reflect a fourth down. On the following play – fourth down according to the marker, but "fifth down" in reality – Johnson kept the ball himself. It appeared the Tigers tackled him short of the end zone. The Missouri crowd screamed in ecstasy, believing the Tigers had knocked off the Buffaloes for the first time since 1984. But Johnson contorted his body and placed the point of the ball over the goal line for a game-winning touchdown.

Referee J.C. Louderback and the Big Eight officiating crew conferred for nearly 20 minutes to decide their course of action. During the delay, radio and television announcers noticed that Colorado had scored with the help of an additional play. Louderback was shown on the phone. After a lengthy consultation, the referees announced their decision: It was a touchdown, and Colorado would now have to run the extra-point conversion. Not wanting to take any risks with only a two-point lead, the Buffaloes snapped the ball and downed it to end a controversial 33-31 contest.

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The fallout
Colorado football coach Bill McCartney did little to soothe the controversy. Asked whether he would consider forfeiting the game, McCartney declared that he had considered it but decided against it because "the field was lousy." (He complained about the unusually slick Omniturf artificial surface, which he said had caused repeated slips and falls during the game.)

Closure came in the summer of 1998 – four years after McCartney retired as the Buffs coach – when he admitted to making mistakes and being saddened by the Fifth Down fiasco. McCartney made the remarks at a Promise Keepers gathering at the site of the controversy, Columbia, Missouri.

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You may now feel free to STFU, idiot.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:32 am

I've heard Charles Johnson and McCartney on the radio here in Denver more than twice talking about the 5 down--and nothing they say makes much sense. they claim they didn't know. "why do you spike the ball if it's REALLY 4th down and you know it?" they hedge here and there about a lot of stuff. IMO.

but, i read something on a Buff board that CJ apparently said in the huddle that suggested they both knew more than they NOW let on while it was happening. from someone who was apparently there....in the huddle. and has been confrimed as who he says he is by other posters. take that FWIW.

i would not say Bill McCartney was a better coach than Tom Osborne based on time-frame alone. Mac would have found tough sledding against Switzer's 70's and 80's OU teams even with his best absolute best Buff teams. just as Dr. Tom did. at minimum, OU 74, 75, 78, 85, 86, 87.....were better than CU 90--that's up for debate.....sure. i don't see the argument going the Buffs way. CU's most talented team was 94. the NFL talent on that team was sick.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:50 am

King Crimson wrote: "why do you spike the ball if it's REALLY 4th down and you know it?"

Because the down marker says it's 3rd down?

Because you're as dumb as Coods and believe that you have a license to steal?

Who the fuck knows?

Unwar re-opening old wounds.

What's next? You want to talk about the kicked ball against Nebraska? :mad:

I'm here to tell you, this Tiger fan was 10 times more pissed about that.

But that's all water under the bridge now.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:58 am

War Wagon wrote:What's next? You want to talk about the kicked ball against Nebraska? :mad:

What pissed me off most about that shit was that Cuntsburger about lost it in his pants, he was so excited for Nebraska. :mad:

Carry on ...

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:35 am

War Wagon wrote:
King Crimson wrote: "why do you spike the ball if it's REALLY 4th down and you know it?"
Because the down marker says it's 3rd down?

Because you're as dumb as Coods and believe that you have a license to steal?

Who the fuck knows?

Unwar re-opening old wounds.

What's next? You want to talk about the kicked ball against Nebraska? :mad:

I'm here to tell you, this Tiger fan was 10 times more pissed about that.

But that's all water under the bridge now.

i was quoting what i heard from McCartney and Charles Johnson and Buff fans on the radio......

easy slugger.....

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:59 pm

Cunta, it's not that hard to figure out. Colorado was #1 going into the Orange Bowl. I believe ND was #6. Had ND won, no one in the entire fucking country would have voted them number 1 because Georgia Tech was ranked higher with less losses.

If you have a crayon and a white piece of paper, I'll draw it out for you. You don't know shit about college football, past or present, and you don't know dick about your own school. Shut the fuck up and move along.

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:56 pm

Cuda wrote: Fact is, it WAS consensus all around the country that the Orange Bowl winner would be national champion.

Not that you needed to be told this yet again, but you're a complete dumbfuck. Even Lou Holtz wasn't spinning that yarn.

Btw, how many illegitimate kids came out of McPromise Keeper's daughter, anyway?

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:08 pm

Keep on swinging that purse, Nancy. Someday you're bound to hit something.

Husker4ever · Post by **Husker4ever** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:45 pm

Cuda wrote:Keep on swinging that purse, Nancy. Someday you're bound to hit something.

just like half the thug quotient on McPromisekeeper's (rack) team hit the daughter's fuckbox?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:06 pm

Damn, this Cuda guy really knows his college football.

-StrandedTexan

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:07 pm

Someday is a long way away for you, Sally

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:46 pm

Crimedog made me laugh.