Wisconsin

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:41 pm

Well here is example one why this new rule sucks. At the end of the first half, Wisconsin repeatedly went off sides on their kickoff to run out the clock. Nice move NCAA, lets put a rule in without thinking it all the way through.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:45 pm

Props to Biliema or whomever on his staff figured out this loophole, pretty sneaky.

Boo, hiss to the NCAA for the new rules that allowed Wiscy to do that.

montinelevin · Post by **montinelevin** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:47 pm

Yeah,

The badgers score with ~30 seconds left in the half, then intentionally get two offsides on the kickoff. Clock runs on kick, ball is deep enough to prevent a big return and the penalty does not put time back on clock. Joe Pa gets confused... If a team has a big time kicker and isnt too worried about giving up a big return, they could do this a few times until the receiving team declines. who doesnt think we'll see a new clock rule next year?

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:27 pm

Danimal wrote:Props to Biliema or whomever on his staff figured out this loophole, pretty sneaky.

Boo, hiss to the NCAA for the new rules that allowed Wiscy to do that.

You can prop him all you want (and little part of me does too), but I call it a young, prick coach move. Someone who doesn't understand what it means to play in the best spirit of the game. The best spirit of the game says you line up, snap the ball, and beat the other team, not pull a punk move.

I'd bet my house that Joe is seriously pissed at Beliema for that. Joe is the torchbearer for palying in the best spirit of the game.

Edit to add: You don't think OTHER coaches haven't considered doing the same? Sure they have. Just takes a youngin' to actually do it.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:31 pm

... and further...

It takes a youngin' to sport a slimey smirk on the sideline whilst doing it.

Yeah, props to Beliema

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:55 pm

Newsflash: Penn St has NO offense.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:01 pm

That ain't a newsflash. That's an archived headline. Where you been?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:04 pm

I'd bet my house that Joe is seriously pissed at Beliema for that. Joe is the torchbearer for palying in the best spirit of the game.

And I'd bet my house that Beliema's coaching strategy doesn't revolve around "what can we do to make JoePa happy." Plus Joe should be more concerned with his own team, not what some "young prick coach" is doing on his sideline.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:02 pm

Ken wrote:
Danimal wrote:Props to Biliema or whomever on his staff figured out this loophole, pretty sneaky.

Boo, hiss to the NCAA for the new rules that allowed Wiscy to do that.
You can prop him all you want (and little part of me does too), but I call it a young, prick coach move. Someone who doesn't understand what it means to play in the best spirit of the game. The best spirit of the game says you line up, snap the ball, and beat the other team, not pull a punk move.

I'd bet my house that Joe is seriously pissed at Beliema for that. Joe is the torchbearer for palying in the best spirit of the game.

Edit to add: You don't think OTHER coaches haven't considered doing the same? Sure they have. Just takes a youngin' to actually do it.

Horseshit. I suppose it's in bad taste to kneel the ball at the end of games when you're winning and the other team has no timeouts too, then, no? It sucks that the rules are this way, but it's not his fault for taking advantage of them to try to win a football game.

the_ouskull

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:39 pm

the_ouskull wrote:
Ken wrote:
Danimal wrote:Props to Biliema or whomever on his staff figured out this loophole, pretty sneaky.

Boo, hiss to the NCAA for the new rules that allowed Wiscy to do that.
You can prop him all you want (and little part of me does too), but I call it a young, prick coach move. Someone who doesn't understand what it means to play in the best spirit of the game. The best spirit of the game says you line up, snap the ball, and beat the other team, not pull a punk move.

I'd bet my house that Joe is seriously pissed at Beliema for that. Joe is the torchbearer for palying in the best spirit of the game.

Edit to add: You don't think OTHER coaches haven't considered doing the same? Sure they have. Just takes a youngin' to actually do it.
Horseshit. I suppose it's in bad taste to kneel the ball at the end of games when you're winning and the other team has no timeouts too, then, no? It sucks that the rules are this way, but it's not his fault for taking advantage of them to try to win a football game.

the_ouskull

Yeah, and what's with this throwing the ball out of bounds when everyone is covered, you've scrambled out of the pocket, and are about to get sacked routine?????

And why would a defender intentionally interfere with a receiver when he is getting beat deep knowing that a 15 yd penalty is a lot better than allowing a TD?

And why do teams have to disguise their signal calling on the sidelines...can't the other team pretend to ignore them?

And what's with throwing the ball straight down to stop the clock when you have no timeouts left?

Get with the "spirit"!!

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:11 pm

So will JoePa have a walker for the next game? He took a pretty good clip there.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:14 am

Seer and Skull (well Skull, yours wasn't so bad but Seer, you are a fucking idiot), you guys are comparing completely different situation. What Beliema did was a low class move to take advantage of a stupid rule. It isn't like his team had control of the ball at then end of the game and was trying to run out the clock. And it really isn't close to spiking the ball or throwing it away.

He made a bush league move there and Joe Pa had every right to get pissed off.

For you Fucksucks who said "why didn't he decline them," well he could decline them if he didn't want the yards but it isn't like they are going to put time back on the clock.

But here is the real kicker for anyone who thinks this isn't a big deal. In the OSU vs UM game, if OSU scores a go ahead score with 2 minutes left and UM is out of time outs, OSU could do this over and over. So what if we get penalized over and over. We keep moving back, get rid of all the time and then when there isn't any time left and we have to actually kick it, we kick it real high and make sure there is no chance of a return. How does that sound. Would you be ready to crown us after that?

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:34 am

I actually wanna see that happen, Sky, exactly as you described it.

I love when the NCAA gets egg on its stupid two faces.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:04 am

Well I agree, I love to see the NCAA make themselves a fool but, I don't want my team to lose that way and I certainly don't want my team to win that way.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:09 am

The Seer wrote:
the_ouskull wrote:
Ken wrote: You can prop him all you want (and little part of me does too), but I call it a young, prick coach move. Someone who doesn't understand what it means to play in the best spirit of the game. The best spirit of the game says you line up, snap the ball, and beat the other team, not pull a punk move.

I'd bet my house that Joe is seriously pissed at Beliema for that. Joe is the torchbearer for palying in the best spirit of the game.

Edit to add: You don't think OTHER coaches haven't considered doing the same? Sure they have. Just takes a youngin' to actually do it.
Horseshit. I suppose it's in bad taste to kneel the ball at the end of games when you're winning and the other team has no timeouts too, then, no? It sucks that the rules are this way, but it's not his fault for taking advantage of them to try to win a football game.

the_ouskull

Yeah, and what's with this throwing the ball out of bounds when everyone is covered, you've scrambled out of the pocket, and are about to get sacked routine?????

And why would a defender intentionally interfere with a receiver when he is getting beat deep knowing that a 15 yd penalty is a lot better than allowing a TD?

And why do teams have to disguise their signal calling on the sidelines...can't the other team pretend to ignore them?

And what's with throwing the ball straight down to stop the clock when you have no timeouts left?

Get with the "spirit"!!

You are an effing idiot. Only ONE of those is remotely analogous to Beliema's choice today. I can't belive you would actually pull that crap outta your tail end and call it a post.

Beliema found a loophole in the rules and exposed it. Like I said, a little part of me props him for doing so, but the most of me calls it a pussy move for not yielding the ball to the PSU return team and letting them have their best shot... you know, what your SUPPOSED to do after you score.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:12 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
I'd bet my house that Joe is seriously pissed at Beliema for that. Joe is the torchbearer for palying in the best spirit of the game.
And I'd bet my house that Beliema's coaching strategy doesn't revolve around "what can we do to make JoePa happy." Plus Joe should be more concerned with his own team, not what some "young prick coach" is doing on his sideline.

No shit. And don't insinuate that's what I implied. His coching strategy not only should revolve around putting his team in the best position to win, but to also do so with simple sportsmanship in mind.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:27 pm

keep running offsides and when psu finally fumbles you can have yrself a chuckle over all the time you've left yrself to take advantage of the turnover. that was funny.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:41 pm

1. Rules

2. Using said rules to your advantage.

Yep, nothing analogous with my post......

Obviously, y'all didn't gradiate from the skewls you root fer.......

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:23 am

Please, like JoePa gives a shit about the best spirit of the game. What other head coach can get away with verbally abusing refs while poking them in the chest. He only cares about winning and getting shown up by young whipper-snapper coaches.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:49 pm

Ken wrote:
Danimal wrote:Props to Biliema or whomever on his staff figured out this loophole, pretty sneaky.

Boo, hiss to the NCAA for the new rules that allowed Wiscy to do that.
You can prop him all you want (and little part of me does too), but I call it a young, prick coach move. Someone who doesn't understand what it means to play in the best spirit of the game. The best spirit of the game says you line up, snap the ball, and beat the other team, not pull a punk move.

I'd bet my house that Joe is seriously pissed at Beliema for that. Joe is the torchbearer for palying in the best spirit of the game.

Edit to add: You don't think OTHER coaches haven't considered doing the same? Sure they have. Just takes a youngin' to actually do it.

Believe the Heupel wrote:Why the fuck wouldn't JoPa just decline the penalty and take the ball? That's just idiocy.

Oh, dry your tears, Kendra. Bielema played by the rules. Doddering old coach got schooled. (But I will rack JoePa for bouncing up a lot faster than most of his players would have after that hit).

And BTW, you did notice at the end of the game, the Badgers were first and goal, and Bielema had the QB take a knee twice. Not saying that a lot of coaches wouldn’t have done the same thing, but 20-3 would have looked better than 13-3. Plus, if they had punched it right in, they could have duped PSU with that kickoff strategy again.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:58 pm

Hell, if you're going to do that, might as well send your entire kickoff team sans the kicker back to where the anticipated return man will catch the ball before you even kick it.

Yeah, it's a shit move, but so is taking a knee as has been brought up. It's the rule. If JoePa bitched about it, it's a puss move on his part. It's like blaming someone else for making you punch yourself in the face.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:18 pm

Bielema showed me two things.

-he is willing to consider any tactic to win. Rackable.
-the PSU staff can be easily exploited when they are forced to understand the rulebook, and react to a situation on the field. Unrackable.

This reminds me of the 2003 OSU game, where the OSU TE dropped a crucial 3rd down ball, it bounced back up into his grasp and the two officials that were watching it gave him the catch. Yes, such a play makes you vomit out your lungs...but, BUT, you have to be ready for what follows, because on the next play, OSU broke off a 30 yard gain against an unprepared defense. YES the call was deplorably bad, but you have to understand where your team is, what the rules dictate, and what your next few moves are going to be. PSU doesn't have a staff that is dynamic enough to react in inclement situations.

I'll take it a step further, our staff needs to have a stacked deck to compete at all. The 2005 season was a great one for us, but we lined up 5 straight cupcake opponents, struggled to put some of them away, and finally ironed out the kinks for the OSU game. In the one road game against a tough opponent, we lost.

Shit happens. A TE can catch a bounce pass and get a first down. A sideline ref can rule in your favor ('83 Nebraska), or they can rule against you ('02 Michigan). A young coach can try to run out the clock by having his kickoff team line up offside. No matter what, you have to keep your wits about you.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:44 pm

Sky wrote:Seer and Skull (well Skull, yours wasn't so bad but Seer, you are a fucking idiot), you guys are comparing completely different situation. What Beliema did was a low class move to take advantage of a stupid rule. It isn't like his team had control of the ball at then end of the game and was trying to run out the clock. And it really isn't close to spiking the ball or throwing it away.

He made a bush league move there and Joe Pa had every right to get pissed off.

For you Fucksucks who said "why didn't he decline them," well he could decline them if he didn't want the yards but it isn't like they are going to put time back on the clock.

But here is the real kicker for anyone who thinks this isn't a big deal. In the OSU vs UM game, if OSU scores a go ahead score with 2 minutes left and UM is out of time outs, OSU could do this over and over. So what if we get penalized over and over. We keep moving back, get rid of all the time and then when there isn't any time left and we have to actually kick it, we kick it real high and make sure there is no chance of a return. How does that sound. Would you be ready to crown us after that?

Judging by your posts, your nic is the last 3 letters of your last name, right?

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:16 pm

That's the best you can do...intimate that he's Polish?

Sorry, adv. Sky...you might get a point for being funny, but that was just lame, not funny.

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:49 pm

It was a stupid rule change to begin with.

Props to Bielema for making the NCAA rule tinkerers look like idiots.

Louis Cyphre · Post by **Louis Cyphre** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:18 am

IndyFrisco wrote:Hell, if you're going to do that, might as well send your entire kickoff team sans the kicker back to where the anticipated return man will catch the ball before you even kick it.

That's the funny part about the two offside penalties. The whole kickoff team (except the kicker) was offsides on both penalties.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:37 am

Apparently, they are supposed to call an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for any intentional foul. Is that your way of thinking?