How bout Colt McCoy

[the_ouskull]

And Van the argument about Texas not running a NFL style offense is ignorant. Davis runs an offense as sophicated as his QBs can handle

Sincerely, The Wonderlic

When Simms was young the system was basic by his senior year the offense was very much an NFL style offense.

Except against OU. Then he takes a knee before halftime with the wind.

When Major was the QB the offense was the same. Vince was an absolutely horrible passer his fresh and soph year

...and junior...

so Texas went away from an NFL passing offense and moved to a option passing attack. By his junior year Davis was moving to a spread offense because that was the best offense for our personalle.

i.e. - people were further away from Vince to allow him more room to run. Stop calling it "an attack." It was one guy turning plays that would have been incompletions or sacks into something. It's not like V.Y. ran a complex offense. He was just "the big kid."

Say what you want, about Davis but he is one of the best in the business at developing QBs, just ask Major Applewhite, Chris Simms, Vince Young and now Colt McCoy. Only 2 of those 4 had NFL ability

Simms and McCoy?

but all are/were extremely successful in college.

Isn't Vince the only one that ever won ANYTHING? Did Major win a Big 12 Championship?

BTW if Vince made it in the NFL on pure talent in spite of the system he ran then why is he already a starter.

'cause he got drafted to a team that was so freaking hard-up for QB talent, they brought in Kerry fucking Collins... Don't go acting like Peyton Manning was there and Vince WON the job. Vince GOT the job 'cause he was the #4 pick in the draft and they're planning for the future NOW. Not because he gives them the best chance to win right now, or because he's "the man," like he was in college running his shitty little, I'm-a-fucking-retard, Tejas scheme, which consists of, "I'll catch the ball in the shotgun, look at my primary, see if he's GOING to get open, start scrambling, and, if he gets open, I hit him. If he doesn't, and someone else wanders into my field (breaks tackle) of vision, then I'll hit them instead. Otherwise, it's another "off to the races."

No way a guy without some major training on the college level can just step in as a starting NFL QB, if that were the case then there would be lots of high school qbs doing it.

Bwhahahahaha. Last week, Seneca Wallace was an NFL starting QB. Damon Huard is a starting NFL QB. Being a starter IS just about being in the right place, at the right time. Vince is in that place in Tennessee. It's not like he's facing serious competition from Kerry Collins. Collins was brought in to either win the job or to mentor Vince. There are no other QB's on the roster. "The future begins NOW." So congrats to Vince for becoming a starting NFL QB by beating out Kerry fuckin' Collins. That's the "making a roster" equivalent of scoring a 6 on the Wonderlic.

Besides, H.S. guys aren't allowed to play in the NFL. Otherwise I would have... Sin, A.D.

the_ouskull

[Vito Corleone]

BTW if Vince made it in the NFL on pure talent in spite of the system he ran then why is he already a starter.

'cause he got drafted to a team that was so freaking hard-up for QB talent, they brought in Kerry fucking Collins... Don't go acting like Peyton Manning was there and Vince WON the job. Vince GOT the job 'cause he was the #4 pick in the draft and they're planning for the future NOW. Not because he gives them the best chance to win right now, or because he's "the man," like he was in college running his shitty little, I'm-a-fucking-retard, Tejas scheme, which consists of, "I'll catch the ball in the shotgun, look at my primary, see if he's GOING to get open, start scrambling, and, if he gets open, I hit him. If he doesn't, and someone else wanders into my field (breaks tackle) of vision, then I'll hit them instead. Otherwise, it's another "off to the races."

No way a guy without some major training on the college level can just step in as a starting NFL QB, if that were the case then there would be lots of high school qbs doing it.

Bwhahahahaha. Last week, Seneca Wallace was an NFL starting QB. Damon Huard is a starting NFL QB. Being a starter IS just about being in the right place, at the right time. Vince is in that place in Tennessee. It's not like he's facing serious competition from Kerry Collins. Collins was brought in to either win the job or to mentor Vince. There are no other QB's on the roster. "The future begins NOW." So congrats to Vince for becoming a starting NFL QB by beating out Kerry fuckin' Collins. That's the "making a roster" equivalent of scoring a 6 on the Wonderlic.

Besides, H.S. guys aren't allowed to play in the NFL. Otherwise I would have... Sin, A.D.

the_ouskull

If high school kids could physically or mentally handle the league they would be in there just like the NBA, but we know they can't. Point being is that QBs need a lot of help to move them from high school to the NFL and Vince came into college as a horrible passer. He left as a very good passer and according to Van he didn't play in a very sophisticated offense. well it is still the same offense that now owns the record for the greatest offense in the history of the NCAA.

USC's offense is not that complex, their success is more due to superior talent then it is to some superior offense. Chow ran the same offense at BYU and he never approached the success he had at USC. Unless you consider beating up on Wyoming and New Mexico as success.

As for Vince in the NFL, keep in mind that he is playing for Jeff Fisher. Jeff is the guy who held Steve McNair out of the starting lineup for one and a half years. If Vince wasn't ready he wouldn't be the starter. Kerry Collins was brought in to play if Vince wasn't ready to play, but he has proven he is.

[SoCalTrjn]

All those sub par defenses that Leinart faced last year and STILL the 365 yards passing he had vs Texas was his season high.

Arkansas may not have been a premiere SEC team last year, but they werent the worst, the Mississippi schools have held that honor for the better part fo a decade now

[Van]

And Van the argument about Texas not running a NFL style offense is ignorant. Davis runs an offense as sophicated as his QBs can handle.

Why, thank you! That turned out easier than I thought.

[Van]

BTW if Vince made it in the NFL on pure talent in spite of the system he ran then why is he already a starter.

Umm, because he still has that pure talent???

Also, because Steve McNair was traded and McNair's back up was traded.

Think VY would be a starting NFL QB right now if he'd been drafted by at least 2/3rds of the other teams in the league?

Of course not.

[Harvdog]

BTW if Vince made it in the NFL on pure talent in spite of the system he ran then why is he already a starter.

Think VY would be a starting NFL QB right now if he'd been drafted by at least 2/3rds of the other teams in the league?

Of course not.

The Titans drafted Vince because they needed a franchise QB. Do the Colts, Pats, Chargers, 49ers, Seahawks, Rams, Bengals, Bucs, Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Bears, Panthers, Falcons, Jags, Saints, and Steelers need a franchise QB?

That was easy too.

[the_ouskull]

If high school kids could physically or mentally handle the league they would be in there just like the NBA, but we know they can't.

They can't handle it in the NBA either. Find me a player not named LeBron that's entered the league straight from H.S. and been an impact player, right away. K.G.? It took him 3 years. Kobe? Took him 2 or 3, depending on when he shot that airball... T-Mac? Nope. Sorry, I know it's not related, but I hate this argument...

Point being is that QBs need a lot of help to move them from high school to the NFL and Vince came into college as a horrible passer.

...and still IS, mechanically.

He left as a very good passer

...in that system (dummied-down) with his line (doubled-up) and his Coach (dummied-down) trusting in his ATHLETICISM completely... Look back at the Michigan Rose Bowl that "made" him. He won that game with his legs, not his arm. Look at the Rose Bowl against USC. Same thing. He ALWAYS resorts to his legs when it matters, which is a fancy way of saying that not even HE trusts his passing... He had a great passer rating. He also had the ability to run the ball any time the pass wasn't there, which results in fewer incompletions and interceptions... the two things that HURT passer rating. I'm not saying that he didn't improve leaps and bounds (his senior year) because he did (except for the mechanics), but I don't like hearing Tejas fans make the guy out to be Joe Montana Black either.

and according to Van he didn't play in a very sophisticated offense. well it is still the same offense that now owns the record for the greatest offense in the history of the NCAA.

What is?

USC's offense is not that complex, their success is more due to superior talent then it is to some superior offense. Chow ran the same offense at BYU and he never approached the success he had at USC. Unless you consider beating up on Wyoming and New Mexico as success.

Chow coached 6 of the NCAA's Top 16 career passing efficiency leaders and was involved with squads that hold 11 of the top 30 single-season passing yardage totals in NCAA history. He coached in 22 bowls at BYU and was on the staff of the Cougars' 1984 national championship team. BYU went 244-91-3 during his time in Provo.

He was named the National Assistant Coach of the Year in 1999 by the American Football Foundation and in 1993 by Athlon. He was the 1996 Division I Offensive Coordinator of the Year by American Football Quarterly. In 1996, he was a finalist for the Broyles Award.

Among the Cougar players he coached were a number of future NFL stars, including quarterbacks Steve Young, Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson, Gifford Nielsen, Ty Detmer and Robbie Bosco, plus tight end Todd Christensen. Detmer won the 1990 Heisman Trophy and was a Davey O'Brien Trophy winner (twice), as were Young and McMahon, bringing Chow's total to 1 Heisman (now 2) 5 O'Brien winners, and a National Championship. (Now 2.)

All of that is a bit more than just "success at BYU." He has the same number of National Championships as Texas in the last 25 years... More if you count the USC years...

As for Vince in the NFL, keep in mind that he is playing for Jeff Fisher. Jeff is the guy who held Steve McNair out of the starting lineup for one and a half years.

Because he wasn't NFL-ready, and because when McNair got drafted, Chris Chandler was actually playing pretty well. Once McNair was actually ready start, they traded Chandler. I know that this helps YOUR side of the argument, but, I'm just being fair. However, the case is completely different with Vince in Teneessee... Chandler was a proven veteran, and was even a Pro-Bowler after leaving Teneessee. (1997 and 1998) Collins has only proven that he is in the middle of a VERY rapid decline, seeing as the Raiders let him go in favor of Aaron fucking Brooks. You don't bring in a guy that got cut in favor of Aaron Brooks if you have faith in your rookie. Notice that they signed Collins, lost Volek, benched Collins for Young. If Volek is there, and happy, and playing like he did last year, does Young still start? No.

If Vince wasn't ready he wouldn't be the starter.

Yet he's NOT ready... The 30th rated passer in the NFL right now, this second, is Drew Bledsoe (lol) with a QB rating of 69.2. He has been benched for a guy that never started a game before this year. Vince Young's passer rating is 53.3. How bad is THAT f'ing guy? Well, in fact, only 8 people that have thrown a pass at all this year, have a worse rating...

Brooks Bollinger. (That kid from fuckin' Wisconsin? He's still around? Well, barely if he's a worse passer than Vince.)
Andrew Walter. (Drafted lower than Vince.)
The Samoan QB from the Raiders. (I am NOT gonna try to spell his name... he sucks. Please note, also, back-to-back Raiders.)
Chris Simms. (Told you so...)
Kerry Collins. (Someone ELSE who played for the Raiders... and Vince's BACKUP !!! I TOLD you Vince wasn't ready... it's just that Collins sucks that fucking badly.)
Kellen Clemens. (Drafted lower than dirt.)
Jeff Garcia. (Yeah, but he's gay. Sin, T.O.)
Brodie Croyle. (Drafted lower than Vince.)

The guy immediately above Vince...? The "immortal" Aaron Brooks... the last Raider... with a 58.0. (Seneca Wallace is a 59.0. When are people going to learn with these "mobile QB's?"

Don't tell me Vince is "ready to start." They're just ready to start him. "The future is now," and all that shit. Vince isn't "ready," he's just "capable."

Kerry Collins was brought in to play if Vince wasn't ready to play, but he has proven he is.

Yeah, to Tejas fan. Everybody else is reading the same stat sheets and we're seeing the same thing. ...and spare me the whole, "but Vince brings more to the table than his arm" speech. 1) So did Mike Vick and they haven't won shit. Now he's passing well and they're playing well. Weird. 2) Until he can throw, he's NOT bringing more to the table... in the NFL. Let's see how well he plays in the rematch games against his divisional teams. Once they've got film on him, he's done. He is NOT a good NFL QB. I'm not saying he won't become one, but, honestly, I doubt it. It has NOTHING to do with his playing for Tejas. It has everything to do with what I see, what I've seen, and him. I don't think he'll be able to overcome the speed of the game, and I don't think he'll ever be able to digest more than a basic playbook. Sorry. "Basic" cuts it when you can play some 50 Cent for your coaches and run all over the little kids in the playground. "Basic" does not cut it in the NFL.

the_ouskull

[campinfool]

Uhm, QB play the last two games is not really a factor. Seems like a certain prior OU and K State player can't cover for shit.

[Harvdog]

Dude, if you think the Cowboys couldn't use a franchise QB right about now...:D

I hate the Cowboys but I actually hate their fans worse. I was in Dallas yesterday and all we got on the way to the race was Randy Galloway and the rest of the Cowboy inbreds. They all said they were on the Romo bandwagon. I thought he played OK yesterday. I just love seeing the Cowboys lose.

[the_ouskull]

I think that, if anything, that is the one thing that I have in common with Texans.

A hatred for Randy Galloway. He's Texas' version of Jim Traber. A no-talent, assclown who is more famous for being loud and / or controversial than he is talented, good, or "a decent human being."

Come to think of it, that sounds like just about every single "major market city's" sports radio guy. Every sports station has at least one.

I hope that my friend Erik isn't that guy out in Albucrackee.

the_ouskull