tOSU/Michigan week

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:35 pm

have at it...

The Sweater Vested Warrior and the Buckeyes will skull fuck, destroy and punk the wolverettes in Columbus...

just sayin'

discuss

actually this is shaping up to be THE GAME of the year (yeah no duh)...

Is Manningham back? If not Breaston and Arrington have proven capable options for Henne, will the tOSU defense shut hart down or limit him and thus make Henne win the game (that is the key)

If you are Michigan who to defend? Spy Troy and leave a zone open for him to hit Gonzo, the TE's or the backs?? Double Ginn and leave Gonzo with 1x1 coverage...then you still have Robo, Hartline and the running game...should be epoch...

early call for me...

tOSU 24
Michigan 13

FLW Buckeye · Post by **FLW Buckeye** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:20 pm

ScUM's D has had problems defensing against Smith's scramblings, creating havoc in the secondary. Don't see that changing.

Lloyd's daddy- 27
Lloyd- 10

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:21 pm

I would like to comment on the idiots who siad that the loser of this so called epic game, should still be in the national title game?
in other words, the big ten homer faggott thinks that the loser of the ohio st. michigan game, should be granted another shot, and vaulted ahead of any other team, including a possible unbeaten rutgers, and get a rematch for all the marbles,
NEVER IN MY LIFE, have I heard such stupidity, and its funny, when you consider how god awful and pathetic the big ten really is,
since I have witnessed the 95 huskers, both this years michigan and ohio st. make me laugh,
who has michigan played? who has ohio st played?
a bunch of nobodies.
its so funny how the media builds this game up as a battle of titans, YET, having witnessed the 95 huskers, this game between two over rated big ten schools, reminds me of a pop warner classic.
and then, some fool has the gaul to say that the loser of this joke of a contest, should still be in the title game?
BUWAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,
after michigan was physically pushed around by ball st, and ohio st. was pushed around by illinois, who was dry fucked by rutgers, I have seen the light.
for years, the big ten has been a media creation, brent musberger jacks off to michigan and ohio st. in fact, no one realizes, just how pathetic the other 9 teams really are, AND, should nebraska lose the big 12 title game, we will get another matchup with a big ten school, and sodomize another big ten school.
what a sad joke your pussified faggotty conf. is,
by the way, BOTH nebraska and kansas st. would skull fuck wisconsin,

peter dragon · Post by **peter dragon** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:32 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200610280025

plus who did 95 neb play? D1-aa pacific? real tough there ! we should all congrat you.. :roll:

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:51 pm

Wow, no little pink pussy buckeyes resets? Who got embarrassed by the Cocks in the Outback Bowl? This brad is third class.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:15 pm

Ohio St - 24
Michigan - 21

peter dragon · Post by **peter dragon** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:04 am

Jsc810 wrote:I think I'll pull for Michigan, just because of tOSU.

It should be just OSU, and fuck you if you don't agree.

Go Michigan.

Ohio University sued The Ohio State University, and won.. thats why its tOSU.. oh, and if you root for michigan fuck you!

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:51 am

Blue - 24

Horseshoe - __

Will be back....

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:59 am

a caveat to tressel's 4-1 record vs. lloyd: jim herrmann was coaching the the umich defense. i "watched" umich/osu last year by breaking into a school with dial-up and clicking refresh on some yahoo sports tracker. umich was up two scores with eight or so minutes and i knew we were going to lose. herrmann's gone, and he took his fatalism with him. points for osu - regardless of all their weapons - will be MUCH harder to come by against ron english's d.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:10 am

I agree with you, M Club...I think it would be short-sided to assume the Buckeyes will be able to have their way with the Michigan defense like they did in the past. There's a new attitude with the way they attack the opposition. The front 7 will have a busy day containing Troy Smith but those guys are able to rush the QB and cause chaos to an opposition's passing game. I think English have his guys pressure Smith instead of just sitting back and trying to hem him in the pocket. They need to make him uncomfortable and give him a lot of different looks on defense. Smith complete basically 2/3 of his passing this year...if Michigan gives him time to throw, he'll pick them apart. You can probably use Leon Hall against Gonzalez and let the safeties handle the deep stuff but without some form of a pass rush, he'll have time to find the open receiver. If he gets the passing game going, that opens it up for Pittman grind out some yards on the ground. Michigan is the #1 rush defense in the country so I don't expect Ohio State to try to hammer the ball down the Wolverines' throats...that defense won't allow much on the ground. This is definitely best defense Ohio State will play this year.

On the other side, Ohio State's defense is driven on turnovers...21 interceptions and Laurinaitis leads the team with 5. I don't think Michigan will be able to just win by throwing the ball...Hart has to be the focus to open up the Buckeye defense. Use clock and pound on Ohio State with Hart and then look to the passing game. Work the play action to the tight ends and stretch secondary with the deep ball to Manningham. Henne needs to play a smart game...he's not the one who's going to win the game for Michigan but he could certainly lose it if he makes bad mistakes with the football. Both teams thrive on winning the turnover battle each game so not throwing the ball away or putting it on the ground will be key...but not turning the ball over is cornerstones to winning a football game.

Michigan 17
Ohio State 13

Bobby42 · Post by **Bobby42** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:24 am

Buckeyes will win. No doubt about it. Too many weapons. Swarming defense. Coaching. Discipline. Home field advantage. Tress in Lloyd's dome. Final home game for the Seniors, incl. Troy Smith. Ground attack with Pittman, Wells and Wells. TGjr, Gonzo, Hartline and Robuskie. Henne.

Aw, shit. People will come. Some will come from Michigan. "Will you let us in?" they will say. And they'll have tickets somewhere along B deck on the east side of the stadium, surrounded by Scarlet & Grey. We will let them in, because it's their team they follow and defeat they'll receive. And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves bitter waters.

The one constant throughout the Tressel years has been the return of Buckeye Nation. It has changed the landscape like an army of steamrollers. It has re-built itself and reminded us of what was good and can be good again. Ah, yes. People will come.
Most will start with..... O-H..!!!

tOSU 31
scUM 17

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:33 am

i feel comfortable with henne. if navarre could beat osu...

a lot of ppl say umich has to run well b/c henne can't carry umich with his arm, but when has he really had to? his numbers are so much lower this year than in others b/c umich finally has a decent ground game. through 11 game in 2004 he threw 365 passes and had a rating of 131; in 2005 it was 339 passes with a 130 rating; and this year has thrown only 252 passes and improved his rating to 144. he also distributes the ball much better, as opposed to throwing jump balls up for braylon his freshman year. likewise, rushing yardage has improved through the first 11 games, from 1718 yards in 2004 (3.8 avg) to 1809 in 2005 (4.0) to 2140 this year (4.5). the rushing statistics are fairly representative of how well umich runs the ball now b/c they aren't padded with a lot of long runs. hart's the only back with a gain of over 40 yards, and i think he only has one or two of those.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:43 am

I-O

Didn' I ready somewhere that the Michigan pass defense is suspect? I think like 70th or so in the nation (again early and I don't want to look it up) if that is the case then scUM must get pressure with the front 4 or Smith will pick apart the Wolverines...

scUM has many a weapon too...this is shaping up to be (hopefully) a classic...

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:23 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote:Didn' I ready somewhere that the Michigan pass defense is suspect? I think like 70th or so in the nation (again early and I don't want to look it up) if that is the case then scUM must get pressure with the front 4 or Smith will pick apart the Wolverines...

Michigan is currently 3rd in the nation in total defense allowing 231.5 yards per game. Their rush defense is tops in nation at 29.9 yards per game...so that means they give up 201.6 yards per game through the air (and I didn't even go to Michigan to figure that one out)...it puts them well outside the top 50. Michigan is 11th in the nation in pass efficiency defense...only allowing 51.2% of all passes completed, 9th in the nation. They've also faced 402 pass attempts...by the far the most of any team in the top 50 at defending the pass. Now call me crazy but we you're not able to run against a defense or you're behind in a game, you're bound to see a lot of pass attempts against your defense. Troy Smith is the best QB the Wolverines will face this year but don't assume it a slam dunk that Smith with throw for 250-300 yards against them.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:54 pm

^^^^^^^^

not assuming anything just spotting perhaps a weak link that is all...I do not think tOSU can run outside on Michigan (very fast LB's)...but I think tOSU might be able to pound a little inside, maybe...

this is a game of two pretty evenly matched teams...I mean tOSU has tons of weapons as does Big Blue...tOSU's defense has rounded into a very exceptional unit and Michigan has been stout all year...both teams have won every game and done it pretty convincingly except 1 each...

what a game...hopefully it will live up to the hype...in the end I think tOSU just has a little too much for Big Blue...

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:01 pm

I'm rooting for the bomb.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:23 pm

i think osu will have a more difficult time running between the tackles than trying to break it outside. as in, some broke-ass, troy smith improvisation will prolly add a hefty chunk to osu's total yards. and i don't mean that in a you-got-lucky sort of way. it's part of the arsenal.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:40 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote:not assuming anything just spotting perhaps a weak link that is all...I do not think tOSU can run outside on Michigan (very fast LB's)...but I think tOSU might be able to pound a little inside, maybe...

I get you're going at with that take...the secondary isn't the strength of the Michigan defense. When you get past the front 7, the secondary is vulnerable with the exception of Leon Hall. The secondary has been called upon to make tackles in most games. Harris and Burgess are the leading tacklers...the next three leading tacklers are DBs and 7 of their top 12 tacklers are DBs. This is definitely a product of facing 402 pass attempts this season. The secondary will have their hands full with the deep Buckeye receiving corps and the accuracy of Smith.

this is a game of two pretty evenly matched teams...

My rule with most games against evenly matched teams...I'll favor the team with the best player on the field. That would be Troy Smith...advantage: Buckeyes. I just think this is the type of aggressive and hard-hitting defense that can contain him. He won't be shutdown...I just think he'll be slowed down.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:58 pm

I think this will be a great game.

I think Michigan has a good chance to win. Their offense is capable of excellent execution. Henne is like Brady and other UM QBs...if he gets time, he will find a receiver. He can beat a zone defense and move the ball down the field and score. He has excellent weapons at hand, including Hart, who can run tough against anyone.

Michigan's defense is great. They can pressure the pocket consistently with their front 4.

OSU has a surprisingly good defense - surprising in that they have so many young guys playing so well. Smith is a great player at times...but not all of the time. He can be pressured into making mistakes.

Obviously the Shoe can be intimidating to a certain degree...but Henne seems to be able to stand up to crowd pressure. Whoever can make some big plays will win this one. I lean toward UM, because I think they can make big plays routinely.

UM: 28
OSU: 24

Jobocky · Post by **Jobocky** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:00 pm

PSUFAN wrote:I think this will be a great game.

Agreed.

PSUFAN wrote:I lean toward UM, because I think they can make big plays routinely.

And OSU can't?

I'm scared to death because as a Buckeye fan I've never gone into this game with the confidence I have now. I have to keep talking myself into the stuggle this game is going to be in order to reduce my confidence level.

My contribution to this discussion will therefore be what Michigan needs to do or have happen to be in this game.

(1) Keep the OSU offense off the field. Time of possession will be a critical aspect to the game. I don't believe they want a shoot out because Henne will be the one to make the big mistake(s). Also, this will make OSU feel that every possession is critical and they might start pressing a little bit. If their offense has to sit on the sidelines for 8-9 minutes, OSU might feel like they have to make something happen rather than just executing the game plan
(2) swing passes, and screen passes. These plays more than any other hurt the OSU defense
(3) Have Troy Smith make quick decisions by pressuring him. Pressure, pressure, pressure. It's the only chance against the OSU offense.

If all this occurs Meechigan will make it a game. Otherwise, the desert turns scarlet and gray again

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:05 pm

Jobocky wrote:(3) Have Troy Smith make quick decisions by pressuring him. Pressure, pressure, pressure. It's the only chance against the OSU offense.

Yep. The question is how much of a risk is UM willing to take with the blitz if they can't get to Smith with their front four alone.

Should be a hell of a game, at least on paper.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:12 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Smith is a great player at times...but not all of the time. He can be pressured into making mistakes.

Where does this come from? His four interceptions on the year? One was a tipped ball against you guys so in my opinion he has probably only thrown 9 or 10 bad balls all year. Smith also has a chance to finish with the highest Big10 QB rating ever. That is not indiciative of a hot and cold QB.

OUMO · Post by **OUMO** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:16 pm

I live for these games.

Always love to watch this one, it is good every year no matter what.

Back in the day I would root for Michigan, but the great fans on this board have me torn and I just want to enjoy the game.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:20 pm

Jobocky wrote:I'm scared to death because as a Buckeye fan I've never gone into this game with the confidence I have now. I have to keep talking myself into the stuggle this game is going to be in order to reduce my confidence level.

i wonder about the source of this confidence. granted, osu is a great team, but it's not the usual rivalry scenerio where one team is clearly better than the other and must avoid taking the game for granted. if this was a 00-04 umich team i'd think our ranking a result of smoke and mirrors, but this team is a legitimate #1 or #2 who can win the game b/c they're the better team, as opposed to last year when they almost won b/c of a few freak breaks.

Shawn Marion · Post by **Shawn Marion** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:27 pm

As dominant as I have seen tOSU look this year, as much as I love the 4-1 record Tressel has, and as bad as Henne looks without a star WR, I can't help thinking about the numbers 2-10-1....

These losses shaped my formidable years as a tOSU fan and are a good portion of the reason that most of my sports following is fueled by hate for the opposing team. I just don't see the cakewalk that a lot of people are predicting and I am pretty nervous about this game. If ever tOSU was overlooking UM, I think that it is this year.

I think the game is really close.

tOSU - 19
UM - 14

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:31 pm

Jobocky wrote:I'm scared to death because as a Buckeye fan I've never gone into this game with the confidence I have now. I have to keep talking myself into the stuggle this game is going to be in order to reduce my confidence level.

My contribution to this discussion will therefore be what Michigan needs to do or have happen to be in this game.

(1) Keep the OSU offense off the field. Time of possession will be a critical aspect to the game. I don't believe they want a shoot out because Henne will be the one to make the big mistake(s). Also, this will make OSU feel that every possession is critical and they might start pressing a little bit. If their offense has to sit on the sidelines for 8-9 minutes, OSU might feel like they have to make something happen rather than just executing the game plan
(2) swing passes, and screen passes. These plays more than any other hurt the OSU defense
(3) Have Troy Smith make quick decisions by pressuring him. Pressure, pressure, pressure. It's the only chance against the OSU offense.

If all this occurs Meechigan will make it a game. Otherwise, the desert turns scarlet and gray again

Great post!

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:38 pm

Shawn Marion wrote: I just don't see the cakewalk that a lot of people are predicting and I am pretty nervous about this game. If ever tOSU was overlooking UM, I think that it is this year.

who's predicting a blowout? osu homers? i don't possibly see how osu could overlook a #1 vs. #2 matchup with umich. isn't this troy smith's final game at osu?

Shawn Marion · Post by **Shawn Marion** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:44 pm

M Club wrote:
Shawn Marion wrote: I just don't see the cakewalk that a lot of people are predicting and I am pretty nervous about this game. If ever tOSU was overlooking UM, I think that it is this year.
who's predicting a blowout? osu homers? i don't possibly see how osu could overlook a #1 vs. #2 matchup with umich. isn't this troy smith's final game at osu?

11, 17, 14 pt margins of victory in this thread alone, but moreso just what I get from friends/family when discussing the game.

As far as overlooking, it is just a feeling I get from this team. A lot of easy games, a lot of blowouts, a lot of really lucky breaks. They haven't had to really work for a victory all season. Granted, Tressel teams are usually good about being up for their games, but like I said it is hard for me to forget about Coop's 13 years.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:01 pm

i suppose those margins of victory are fair in a sense of how games play out, that final scores aren't always indicative of how tightly a game was played, but from a betting perspective those scores are ludicrious. unless, of course, someone's willing to give me umich at +17. homers..

..but like I said it is hard for me to forget about Coop's 13 years.

speaking from this side, i've already forgotten..

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:07 pm

Shawn Marion wrote:A lot of easy games, a lot of blowouts, a lot of really lucky breaks. They haven't had to really work for a victory all season.

i was considering this earlier and thought it could be an advantage for umich that osu hasn't had a close game yet, how might they react in a pressure situation, but then i realized umich hasn't had much in the way of close calls, either. osu had their "scare" against illi, but the only moments in that game without room for error was to recover an onside kick and then kneel on the ball. umich had their ball st. scare, but in all honesty, theywere testing out their scrubs. it doesn't help either that carr loses his offensive intensity as soon as he's up 20+. this should be the first game for both teams that requires their full attention from start to finish.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:16 pm

rack the shit out of your post mClub...agreed on the close call thing

I know I put my prediction at 11 points but I agree with you that it could be closer or not...I just firmly believe that tOSU and Tressel will prevail...perhaps my score prediction is a little hyped and of course could be much much closer than that...

it wouldn't surprise me if the friggin score was 6-3

While I was an ardent Cooper supporter during his years and mine at tOSU i have forgotten them...Tressel has embraced this game and made it fun again and a rivalry that seems to burn with that passion that it had back in the Woody, Bruce, Bo, days...

on paper this is a pretty even matchup but the intangibles are where this game is going to be won...Tressel is one of the best BIG GAME coaches out there and while Carr is no slouch himself...Tressel has come up with a lot of big victories in recent years...Seniors last game at home, the winning streak, the home crowd, plus the stigma perhaps of Michigan being 1-4 with Tressel at Ohio State...perhaps a mindset issue? Kind of like Texas with OU in the late 90's into the early 2000's (what was it 5 wins in a row)...

I am confident, and will be in Columbus and as of now I HAVE A FREAKING TICKET...(keeping my fingers crossed on that one)...

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:18 pm

It's very convenient for a BuckeyeFan to just assume another win over Carr given the success of Tressel in these games. I don't think we've seen this type of matchup in the Tressel era where both teams are this good and are this evenly matched. If you want use the coaches as a tiebreaker, most people would lean towards Tressel in the matchup. Carr has had his team prepared for every game with the exception of the Ball State game and this isn't his first big Ohio State game in Columbus...he knows he's getting into Saturday. I think this will be a game won and lost by players, not the coaches. I can't see this being anything more than 7 point bulge either way unless one team makes a ton of mistakes and imploads. If both teams play their best, this will be a low-scoring, physical game that will likely be decided in the last 5 minutes of the game.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:20 pm

wasn't it convenient for Michigan fan in the same vein when Cooper roamed the sidelines???

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:37 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote:wasn't it convenient for Michigan fan in the same vein when Cooper roamed the sidelines???

In some years, the Buckeyes weren't going to beat Michigan regardless (1997)...and vice versa. I'm just saying to go simply by the recent trend of success Tressel has had against Carr and Michigan and blindly say that will continue...you're not giving this Michigan team much credit. This is the best Michigan team Tressel's Buckeyes will face...he's a great coach but I think it'll come down to a great team beating another great team on the field. Neither of the guys wearing the headsets should really mess things up unless you get some bad decision to go for it on fourth and goal on the 2 instead of taking the field goal and failing to punch it in. Teams will be foolish to leave points on the table. If you've got a 4th and short in field goal range...I would find it an unnecessary risk to go for and just take the field goal. All points will be valuable in this game. I said 17-13 for the final score. I really don't think we'll see more than 30-35 points scored between the two teams. I see the defenses being the stars of this game but one offensive star on either side will make the one big play to put their side ahead.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:42 pm

Well shit let's just send the Buckeyes to Arizona!!! No sense wasting the good folks time and playing the damn game...clearly Michigan has no chance. And I like it this way. I love all the experts picking the Buckeyes. I love all the BCS prognosticators wondering who'll face OSU in the NC game. Keep overlooking us, I like it this way. Now that we have no chance the pressure falls squarly on the oSU side. Michigan has everything to gain and nothing to lose. We're not supposed to be in this position right? So here's hoping Lloyd, DeBord, and English coach aggressively all four quarters (ala the ND game), let the kids on the field play to win the game.

On offense...I keep hearing the OSU honks say pick our poison....check out the poison in the winged helmets. Henne (144.3 effic. rating) is having a very sharp year. Hart (125 ypg. 4.9 ypc.)is incredible. Breaston broke out huge last week and will be playing in Columbus with great confidence. Manningham(20.7 ypr, 9td's) is back and will provide a deep threat. Arrington (13.5/6td's)has glue for hands and speed to run any route. We go at least 3 deep on the bench with solid rb's, Jackson, Grady, and Minor. I say pick your poison Bucks. Load up to stop the run and unleash Henne and the passing game. Add db's and watch Hart and the zone-blocking scheme run all over the shoe.

On defense we've got a bunch of antidote for OSU's poison. The front four has been spectacular. Woodley (11 sacks,15.5 tfl)and Branch (who asked English not to blitz so much this year because they could pressure the qb's with just the front four) lead this explosive group. The LB's have been special all year. Guys like Harris, Burgess, and Crable have been sure-tacklers all year. The DB's led by Leon Hall's 15 pass break-ups and 3 picks, have been solid all year long.

Should it come down to a fg, I'll take my chances with Rivas(15-18 ). Breaston (25.1 avg on KR, 11.4 avg on PR) in the return game and Mesko(41.2 avg.) punting round out the special teams.

Should be a great game if we bother playing it. I like Michigan's chances, I love OSU's over confidence.

UM-24
OSU-20

FLW Buckeye · Post by **FLW Buckeye** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:02 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:Well shit let's just send the Buckeyes to Arizona!!! No sense wasting the good folks time and playing the damn game... clearly Michigan has no chance.

Clearly, the smartest of the scUM fans. :twisted:

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:16 pm

Great thread so far. I actually agree with you Shoalzie, with regard to the recent success of Tressel (and Troy Smith) vs. Michigan. Many Buckeye fans that I've noticed are expecting victory just based on that alone. Which is stupid. If history is any indicator, anything can happen in this game. Just because UM owned Coop back in the 90s doesn't equate to the opposite happening now.

However, I can assure you that this overconfidence from the fans will not translate over to the team. Tressel will have those guys focused and ready to play. And I'm sure both coaches will have some tricks up their sleeves. I expect a very close game, a classic for the ages. Can't wait to get back to C-bus.

tOSU 18
TSUN 16

Bobby42 · Post by **Bobby42** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:45 pm

Beyond everything else that's said, it may come down to which team wants it more. Expecting to get it and fighting for it may mean the difference.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:49 pm

WolverineSteve wrote: Well shit let's just send the Buckeyes to Arizona!!! No sense wasting the good folks time and playing the damn game...clearly Michigan has no chance. And I like it this way. I love all the experts picking the Buckeyes. I love all the BCS prognosticators wondering who'll face OSU in the NC game. Keep overlooking us, I like it this way. Now that we have no chance the pressure falls squarly on the oSU side. Michigan has everything to gain and nothing to lose. We're not supposed to be in this position right? So here's hoping Lloyd, DeBord, and English coach aggressively all four quarters (ala the ND game), let the kids on the field play to win the game.

Dude quit running your mouth. Michigan has nothing to lose? Why, because you're not supposed to be in this situation. That is bull shit. Michigan (and their fans) always expect to be good and in contention for the NC. Just because you took it up the ass last year doesn't mean your expectations were any lower this year. You have just as much to lose as us. Lets not pretend your are 9-2 w/o a chance to win the Big10 or a NC. The overconfidence you boast about might only exist in a few buckeye fans. In this game, records don't matter. And I think it would be a large assumption to think Tressel won't have his team ready. UM and OSU each had one close game where they might not have been focused. If that is a sign of an overly confident team we are in the same boat. Likewise, the only reason the media is predicting us to win is because we are #1. And I think that preseason prediction has held up pretty well thus far.

WolverineSteve wrote:On offense...I keep hearing the OSU honks say pick our poison....check out the poison in the winged helmets. Henne (144.3 effic. rating) is having a very sharp year. Hart (125 ypg. 4.9 ypc.)is incredible. Breaston broke out huge last week and will be playing in Columbus with great confidence. Manningham(20.7 ypr, 9td's) is back and will provide a deep threat. Arrington (13.5/6td's)has glue for hands and speed to run any route. We go at least 3 deep on the bench with solid rb's, Jackson, Grady, and Minor. I say pick your poison Bucks. Load up to stop the run and unleash Henne and the passing game. Add db's and watch Hart and the zone-blocking scheme run all over the shoe.

Breaston broke out last week? You mean it took until now for him to breakout (and against Indiana no less)? First 100 yd game since his freshman year. Nice. And I am yet to be convinced that Manningham is back. My biggest fear is Hart plays like everyone has predicted he can. If UM gets the running game going against our front four that will open up some holes in the secondary. But if you really want to compare weapons, I think tOSU pretty much outranks you in every category except for rushing.

WolverineSteve wrote:On defense we've got a bunch of antidote for OSU's poison. The front four has been spectacular. Woodley (11 sacks,15.5 tfl)and Branch (who asked English not to blitz so much this year because they could pressure the qb's with just the front four) lead this explosive group. The LB's have been special all year. Guys like Harris, Burgess, and Crable have been sure-tacklers all year. The DB's led by Leon Hall's 15 pass break-ups and 3 picks, have been solid all year long.

While your D is spectacular tOSU's D is the best in the only category that really matters--scoring D. While we give up the yards and may let you control the ball for a period of time, we are also quite good at keeping points off the board. We have only given up more than 10 pts twice--first game of the season and at Iowa. Henne and Hart better be smart with the ball.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:51 pm

Jsc810 wrote:
peter dragon wrote:
Jsc810 wrote:I think I'll pull for Michigan, just because of tOSU.

It should be just OSU, and fuck you if you don't agree.

Go Michigan.
Ohio University sued The Ohio State University, and won.. thats why its tOSU.. oh, and if you root for michigan fuck you!
I could care less about either team, both suck as far as I'm concerned. :P

Oklahoma has OU and OSU, seems to work ok for them. Oregon figured it out also. The t is not necessary, and it makes them appear that they think they're special, like ND thinks it is special. Guess what, just another football team.

Well ok, it is #1 vs #2, and anytime that happens it is a good thing. I'll be watching. And I'll be pulling for UM, because of that damn t.

Quit your yapping. It wouldn't even be an issue if Ohio U didn't have an inferiority complex. If this is the biggest complaint you have about tOSU, so be it. I'll be thinking about you while I enjoy our BCS game in Jan.