Oregon fan...

[montinelevin]

Jay, Dins, Backer, I'd never show my face after this game.

Congrats, on being the only team in the Pac 10 to get worse as the season goes on.

Just Pathetic.

Jonthan Stewart???

The guy is just an average Pac back.

Cal held him to 18 carries for 24 yards... and he's not doing much better against the spoiled kids.

Simply pathetic.

[montinelevin]

How the hell did OU lose to these guys?

Oh, right.

Yeah, but you cant blame the Pac 10 officials on this one.

But watch... they'll say he was in.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Simply pathetic.

"pathetic" doesn't even begin to describe it.

Sin,

[montinelevin]

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Pac 10 officials at their finest!

[montinelevin]

My god... Ducks

$C may beat you as bad as we did!

The fact that you maybe 10 X worse then when we played you... may have something to do with it.

Don't look for Duck fan for at least about 72 hours... they need that amount of time to get their heads outta their ass.

[Cross Traffic]

Cal fan running his mouth after losing 24-20 to Arizona of all teams...lol

[montinelevin]

Cal fan running his mouth after losing 24-20 to Arizona of all teams...lol

Since you didn't see the game and you know nothing about college football, I'll just see ya as Miss Conduct's knee pad boy.

Mmmmkay?

Be on your way.

[montinelevin]

m2, I watched most of the last quarter. What, in particular, are you upset about? The DeSean Jackson TD that was overturned? It was the right call-dude's foot was out. He even pulled up a divot out of bounds, man.

Frozen... of all people.

The Dante pick in the endzone??? Called a PI???

Gave Arizona the ball on the goal line.

Cal gets the ball on the 20 and runs out the clock up by 7.

[montinelevin]

m2, that's why I was asking. I didn't see those plays.

Watch the highlights

I thought you were complaining about the Jackson TD.

Naw, D-Jax was out of bounds by half an inch.

[The Assassin]

Cant wait to see USC piss all over the Golden Showers,,I mean Bears.

[montinelevin]

Cant wait to see USC piss all over the Golden Showers,,I mean Bears.

You'll be waiting a while then.

Cal's been looking for this one for a long, long time.

[BlindRef]

let me get this right...

7 usc vs 20 Oregon

8 Cal vs 57. Arizona





I guess i'd be talking shit too.

[M Club]

the good thing about "losing" to arizona is you still have two losses.

bye.

[quacker backer]

we suck

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

You'll be waiting a while then.

Not likely. See, Cal has this to deal with...



We all know what happens.

[SoCalTrjn]

Did anyone who watched the game on TV last night have a better understanding of how Oregon got that TD?
From the game you could clearly see on the screens that 1. Stewart was out of bounds and then came back in to make the catch 2. An Oregon player tipped the ball, not a Trojan player and 3. When Stewart came down to the ground, half his foot was on the white line at the back of the end zone.
How many refs in the Pac 10 has Phil Knight bought?

[JayDuck]

Cal could have wrapped up at least a share of the Pac-10 title, with a win against a 4-5 team and you think you can talk shit?

LOL! The only Pac-10 team to get worse as the season went on?

Might want to look in the mirror, dipshit. You've been mediocre, at best, since you beat us. Lost to 1 under .500 team and had to go to OT against another.

You'd better not start counting your rivarly game against Stanford as a win, based on your respective results yesterday.

Stanford trounced Washington 20-3, on the road.

Cal got taken to OT against them, in their first game after their starting QB went out, with their backup throwing 5 interceptions, in gaping anus canyon.

Oregon's been a horrible team, on the road, all year. This game, at USC was not unexpected.

[SoCalTrjn]

all teams have a hard time on the road in college football, thats why Vegas lines normally give at least 6 points to the home team and certain conferences have schedules full of 8 home games and 4 road games

[FLW Buckeye]

all teams have a hard time on the road in college football, thats why Vegas lines normally give at least 6 points to the home team and certain conferences have schedules full of 8 home games and 4 road games

Link?

Thought it was closer to 3 points with all other things being equal...

[SoCalTrjn]

all teams have a hard time on the road in college football, thats why Vegas lines normally give at least 6 points to the home team and certain conferences have schedules full of 8 home games and 4 road games

Link?

Thought it was closer to 3 points with all other things being equal...

I dont have a link, on the sports radio shows here on friday they have their Vegas insiders (Brandon Lang on one show, i forget the names of the other guys on the other shows) on and they discuss all the lines for that weekends games.
They have said on those shows many times that in NCAA football they give 6 or more points to the home team, in the NFL they give 3.

[L45B]

Hey mTard,

Elite teams don't have to rely on every call going their way. Especially when your opponent sports a losing record. Nice melt, though. At least you weren't getting assrammed 35-0 going into the 4th quarter.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Elite teams don't have to rely on every call going their way

Plus, elite teams score TDs on 1st and goal at the opponent 1 yd line.

No amount of ref fuck-ups can trump that horrible chokejob.

[Laxplayer]

We were counting on losing to Arizona on our way to the national championship game.
sin,
M2

[Dinsdale]

Overall, the Ducks sisn't play that badly, but the vast suckage of Dennis Dixon and the coaching staff more than made up for the good effort by the rest of the team.

But since it's truly season-over time, I'd rather spend my time congratulating USC for playing a very good game, rather than dwelling on the Ducks' suckage.

As always, the loss wasn't due to a lack of a monster game by Blair Phillips.

First time Ass Booty has played with superior confidence since early season. And with the caliber of recievers they have, that's just about all it takes on offense.

Neither team did much to dispell the whole "the PAC10 can't tackle" thing. USC just did a much better job of it.

Did anyone who watched the game on TV last night have a better understanding of how Oregon got that TD?
From the game you could clearly see on the screens that 1. Stewart was out of bounds and then came back in to make the catch 2. An Oregon player tipped the ball, not a Trojan player and 3. When Stewart came down to the ground, half his foot was on the white line at the back of the end zone.

You must have seen a different 10,000 replays than I did. Looked like he was in-bounds. And it became pretty clear after replay #2548 that a USC player (#58) tipped the ball up near the line of scrimmage.

But that said, although it was still impossible to tell from 10,000 replays, that may very well have been the first play in football history where there were actually two illegal touching fouls on the same play. After the first few replays, I was actually kind of convinced that at least one had occurred, but after about 1200 more, I found it "inconclusive," and was actually trying to be unbiased (I was watching it in a bar surrounded by a Sea Of Green) on the deal. Every angle made the play look entirely different.


BUT when all was said and done...what THE FUCK was that?

When the ref came back with "after further review, there's conclusive evidence to reverse the earlier reversal"...I was so freaking aghast, I didn't even know what to say...so I oredered another beer.

Jeebus...was the replay guy hallucinating the first time, then had a moment of clarity the second go-around? Did the officiating crew get together and say "you, know, I hate both Bellotti AND Carroll...how can we piss them BOTH off to the point they have coronaries?" Fucking A', how about we just resolve disputed plays by having the head coaches engage in a fistfight on the 50? Would probably be equally as accurate a system, and probably wouldn't take as long.


After the 2.5 hours of replays, I seriously doubt there was one person on the planet who truly knows exactly what went down on that play....everybody has their own theory without a doubt, many of theories tainted by homerism, no doubt. But how the replay official can say he saw something conclusive is beyond me, but throwing flags after the review, and then having the gall to review it again, then reverse the reversal...I'm sorry, even though the "double reverse" play went my team's way, I can put the homerism aside long enough to ask...


What the fuck?

If you put aside the significance of the effect on the outcome of the game, that was an even bigger travesty than the Oklahoma game.


Before the replay review, there was naturally some incorrect calls made. And when we saw the replays, we could see this. Witht the replay review system, some incorrect calls are still made...lots of action in a football game, and nobody has eyes in the back of their head, and nobody's perfect(with the possible exception of Yours Truly, of course), but then it goes to the replay booth, and gets screwed up even worse. At least in the Old Days, we could Sunday/Monday morning armchair quarterback it up, and bitch about the bad call screwing our team. Now, we instead bitch about complete incompetence, rather than a simple human error...which is worse?

All replay is doing at this point is making for more bathroom breaks during the game. Sure doesn't seem to be doing much about getting the calls right.

If it's like this next season, just shitcan this abominable system.


And rack the Trojans. Time to once again represent the PAC and do us proud again. Just try to not knock any cheerleaders or hoopbitches up on your way to your $35,000 SUV in the parking lot.

[Sky]

Wait a minute Dins, shouldn't we be talking about Oregon's unis? Isn't that the ideal that transcendes wins and losses?

Speaking of losses, glad to see Oregon is back to its "average Pac10 team" status. So lets see, you could't beat Oklahoma, Cal or USC. Is the constant talk about your uniforms supposed to bring in more high-profile recruits? Doesn't appear that is working.

[Dinsdale]

Dude...I'll rest my case.

Huge weekend in CFB, some serious shakeups, teams eaither losing or solidifying their claims to the big bowls....and come monday morning, what are YOU talking about?


This loss could work out to another Sun Bowl invite. Bellotti should just buy a freaking timeshare in El Paso.


Too bad, the core team is good, but a few people, both on the field and on the sidelines, just can't seem to show up ready to go every saturday. Shame.

It's like Dixon gets the ball on the option, and starts saying to himself "well, part of me wants to eat this sandwich, but another part of me wants to save it for later..."

[PSUFAN]

m2 is cracking on Duckfan, while his team loses to Arizona? BOARDBITCH is as BOARDBITCH does.

[JayDuck]

Speaking of losses, glad to see Oregon is back to its "average Pac10 team" status. So lets see, you could't beat Oklahoma, Cal or USC. Is the constant talk about your uniforms supposed to bring in more high-profile recruits? Doesn't appear that is working.

In fairness, we are actually having an extremely good recruiting year

[Dinsdale]

In fairness, we are actually having an extremely good recruiting year

This was a "rebuilding year" anyway.

I haven't heard much about it lately up in these parts, but there's a running back who plays at Mountain View in Vancouver(prettyu sure that's his school...I don't live in Washington), who was threatening all of Stewart's state records....monster beast. And last I heard(been a few weeks) he was leaning towards Oregon. Kid is just a machine.

If not, the kid for Jesuit, I think his name is Weatherboy, is a monster RB, too....excellent HS player. He was the dude who absolutely tore it up on the Fox High Scholl Football Game of the Week last week.

There's a QB at Yamhill/Carlton that's kicking some major ass, too, by the name of Zach Anderson. Early in the year, he was threatening to break all of Taylor Barton's (sup screwed by Newweseal) old records. Last I heard, he hadn't said much, but was leaning towards Oregon....BUT...his dad was a Beav. Hope the son is smarter than the father.

There's some badass senior high schoolers in the Northwest right now...a couple of really bigtime players. I hope the Ducks can buy recruit all of them.

[Mikey]

I thought that "illegal touching" was pretty much accepted in the U&L anyways.

[Goober McTuber]

all teams have a hard time on the road in college football, thats why Vegas lines normally give at least 6 points to the home team and certain conferences have schedules full of 8 home games and 4 road games

Link?

Thought it was closer to 3 points with all other things being equal...

I dont have a link, on the sports radio shows here on friday they have their Vegas insiders (Brandon Lang on one show, i forget the names of the other guys on the other shows) on and they discuss all the lines for that weekends games.
They have said on those shows many times that in NCAA football they give 6 or more points to the home team, in the NFL they give 3.

Sagarin adds 3 to the home team Predictor value for college. If you do the math, his spreads generally match up with most opening lines from Vegas.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm

[Dinsdale]

Sagarin adds 3 to the home team Predictor value for college. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm

Uhm, just a helpful hint...


Befaore you cite the Sagarins and try to sound all intelligent, you might want to read the entire link you posted.

Uhm....the "adds three" is listed on that page(every year) as an example. The part where it says "In the example just above, a home edge of 3 was shown for
illustrative purposes. The home edge will vary during the season."

If you had read just a couple more lines, you would see that the home advantage factor is currently 2.76.

2.76 does not equal 3.

If memory serves correctly, the home advantage for much of this season was 3.54, or something like that.

3.54 also does not equal 3. If we're talking whole numbers, it rounds up to 4, as a matter of fact.


Newsflash...the Sagarin home factor changes throughout the season, and unless the computer spits out that particular number, it's rarely at 3.

[montinelevin]

BUT when all was said and done...what THE FUCK was that?

When the ref came back with "after further review, there's conclusive evidence to reverse the earlier reversal"...I was so freaking aghast, I didn't even know what to say...so I oredered another beer.

The entire country is now aware of a truth that we here on the West coast have dealt with for a few years now: the Pac-10 officials are the worst in the country. The Oregon-Okie game was pretty damn bad, but there have been plenty of prime examples of referee incompetence in almost every game Pac-10 I have watched this season. It really does stink for everyone involved, especially the players on the field.

The officials who called this weekend's Cal/UA game should be fired; Stoops bullied them all game long and got all of the calls as a result of their cowardice. No one will ever know if it cost us the game or not, but the PI call on Hughes was criminal, and that was just one of many bogus calls...

Fire Tom Hansen!!!

[Goober McTuber]

Sagarin adds 3 to the home team Predictor value for college. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm

Uhm, just a helpful hint...


Befaore you cite the Sagarins and try to sound all intelligent, you might want to read the entire link you posted.

Uhm....the "adds three" is listed on that page(every year) as an example. The part where it says "In the example just above, a home edge of 3 was shown for
illustrative purposes. The home edge will vary during the season."

If you had read just a couple more lines, you would see that the home advantage factor is currently 2.76.

2.76 does not equal 3.

If memory serves correctly, the home advantage for much of this season was 3.54, or something like that.

3.54 also does not equal 3. If we're talking whole numbers, it rounds up to 4, as a matter of fact.


Newsflash...the Sagarin home factor changes throughout the season, and unless the computer spits out that particular number, it's rarely at 3.

Sorry I didn’t say “roughly 3”. The conversation was regarding whole numbers added to the home team. I didn’t start looking at Sagarin till halfway through the season, can’t remember ever seeing it above 3. But if you recall seeing it marginally above 3.5 one day this year, bully for you. (As if your memory has always served you correctly.) I’m quite content to work with 3.0, as long as it doesn't have a "KFC Paul" in front of it.

BTW, only once in the previous five seasons has Sagarin’s home advantage ever finished above 3.5, and as far back as his archives go, it has never approached 6. But thanks for your input, Dinsanal.

[SoCalTrjn]

Did anyone who watched the game on TV last night have a better understanding of how Oregon got that TD?
From the game you could clearly see on the screens that 1. Stewart was out of bounds and then came back in to make the catch 2. An Oregon player tipped the ball, not a Trojan player and 3. When Stewart came down to the ground, half his foot was on the white line at the back of the end zone.

You must have seen a different 10,000 replays than I did. Looked like he was in-bounds. And it became pretty clear after replay #2548 that a USC player (#58) tipped the ball up near the line of scrimmage.

But that said, although it was still impossible to tell from 10,000 replays, that may very well have been the first play in football history where there were actually two illegal touching fouls on the same play. After the first few replays, I was actually kind of convinced that at least one had occurred, but after about 1200 more, I found it "inconclusive," and was actually trying to be unbiased (I was watching it in a bar surrounded by a Sea Of Green) on the deal. Every angle made the play look entirely different.


BUT when all was said and done...what THE FUCK was that?

When the ref came back with "after further review, there's conclusive evidence to reverse the earlier reversal"...I was so freaking aghast, I didn't even know what to say...so I oredered another beer.

Jeebus...was the replay guy hallucinating the first time, then had a moment of clarity the second go-around? Did the officiating crew get together and say "you, know, I hate both Bellotti AND Carroll...how can we piss them BOTH off to the point they have coronaries?" Fucking A', how about we just resolve disputed plays by having the head coaches engage in a fistfight on the 50? Would probably be equally as accurate a system, and probably wouldn't take as long.


After the 2.5 hours of replays, I seriously doubt there was one person on the planet who truly knows exactly what went down on that play....everybody has their own theory without a doubt, many of theories tainted by homerism, no doubt. But how the replay official can say he saw something conclusive is beyond me, but throwing flags after the review, and then having the gall to review it again, then reverse the reversal...I'm sorry, even though the "double reverse" play went my team's way, I can put the homerism aside long enough to ask...


What the fuck?

If you put aside the significance of the effect on the outcome of the game, that was an even bigger travesty than the Oklahoma game.


Before the replay review, there was naturally some incorrect calls made. And when we saw the replays, we could see this. Witht the replay review system, some incorrect calls are still made...lots of action in a football game, and nobody has eyes in the back of their head, and nobody's perfect(with the possible exception of Yours Truly, of course), but then it goes to the replay booth, and gets screwed up even worse. At least in the Old Days, we could Sunday/Monday morning armchair quarterback it up, and bitch about the bad call screwing our team. Now, we instead bitch about complete incompetence, rather than a simple human error...which is worse?

All replay is doing at this point is making for more bathroom breaks during the game. Sure doesn't seem to be doing much about getting the calls right.

If it's like this next season, just shitcan this abominable system.


And rack the Trojans. Time to once again represent the PAC and do us proud again. Just try to not knock any cheerleaders or hoopbitches up on your way to your $35,000 SUV in the parking lot.

I didnt even look to see if Rey Rey tipped the ball closer to the line, I only looked at the guys in the endzone who touched it and they were both Ducks and appeared both had ran out of the end zone before the ball was thrown to them, Ill have to look at it again on the DVR.

for 35k, you dont get much of an SUV, besides I went to the game in the Country Coach with the Oregon plates on it (War Oregon vehicle registration costs)

[SoCalTrjn]

In fairness, we are actually having an extremely good recruiting year

This was a "rebuilding year" anyway.

I haven't heard much about it lately up in these parts, but there's a running back who plays at Mountain View in Vancouver(prettyu sure that's his school...I don't live in Washington), who was threatening all of Stewart's state records....monster beast. And last I heard(been a few weeks) he was leaning towards Oregon. Kid is just a machine.

If not, the kid for Jesuit, I think his name is Weatherboy, is a monster RB, too....excellent HS player. He was the dude who absolutely tore it up on the Fox High Scholl Football Game of the Week last week.

There's a QB at Yamhill/Carlton that's kicking some major ass, too, by the name of Zach Anderson. Early in the year, he was threatening to break all of Taylor Barton's (sup screwed by Newweseal) old records. Last I heard, he hadn't said much, but was leaning towards Oregon....BUT...his dad was a Beav. Hope the son is smarter than the father.

There's some badass senior high schoolers in the Northwest right now...a couple of really bigtime players. I hope the Ducks can buy recruit all of them.

This is a rebuilding year at USC as well, on the 2 deep roster there are just 6 seniors (out of 44 players) and USC has already had 14 freshmen start or play large roles in games this season. Though I still doubt the team makes it through the last 3 games without losing another one (or more), this year was supposed to be a 3 loss season.

[Dinsdale]

I didnt even look to see if Rey Rey tipped the ball closer to the line

Yet you're spouting off about how it was a bad call? I think there's an abbreviation we use on the boards for that...something that starts with "YHK..."

I only looked at the guys in the endzone who touched it and they were both Ducks and appeared both had ran out of the end zone before the ball was thrown to them, Ill have to look at it again on the DVR.

Stewart left the field of his own accord. But although it's impossible to tell from the replay, I believe he got back inbounds before the ball was tipped the second(and maybe third) time, which by my understanding of the rules, makes him eligible to touch the ball. Kent was pushed out of bounds, and immediately returned to the field, and I believe was back inbounds when #58 tipped it. If this is the case(freaking IMPOSSIBLE) to tell from any of the replays, much less be able to decide in two minutes of viewing), then the TD was legit. Regardless, it had no effect on the outcome of the game, it just spoke to what a complete clusterfuck the review system has become.

Also good evidence that USC booster is even deeper in the pockets of the PAC refs than Oregon is, something previously thought impossible. The point is, with the video available, the replay official had NO BUSINESS reversing the play. There wasn't conclusive evidence to reverse it in the first place, and there wasn't any to "reverse the reversal." The ruling on the field should have stood without question in the first place...whether it was a perfectly correct call ot not.

Maybe the PAC10 refs need to break out a dictionary and look up the word "conclusive." Nothing about ANY of those replays was "conclusive." Like I said, they must have something against both Bellotti AND Petey. Neither coach could have been happy with that complete bullshit.

"Reverse the earlier reversal"? What in THE FUCK?

I went to the game in the Country Coach with the Oregon plates on it (War Oregon vehicle registration costs)

Sin,
Dins' Sister's RV, sporting Oregon plates its whole long life in Texas

[SoCalTrjn]

I didnt look to see if Rey tipped the ball because the trajectory of the ball hadnt changed from when leaf threw it til when it hit the hands of the first Duck in the end zone. It was still spiraling and looked like it had good velocity for a ball thrown by a qb who was on the run and was getting clobbered on the sideline.
My Bad
It looked as if it had only been tipped the one time and that was by the Oregon WR

[Dinsdale]

I didnt look to see if Rey tipped the ball because the trajectory of the ball hadnt changed from when leaf threw it til when it hit the hands of the first Duck in the end zone. It was still spiraling

Uhm, now I must ask...what fucking play were YOU watching?

The pass was a wobbler from the time it left his hand. While inconclusive, it appeared that the ball changed directions slightly when #58 made a swipe at it.

And the replay was also inconclusive whether an SCD defender touched it simultaniously when Kent may or may not have.

On the bright side, I'm now quite certain that the PAC10 will be calling, offering you a job as a replay official any minute now.

[SoCalTrjn]

not sure my wife will approve of the cut in pay