Rankings, rankings, getcher red-hot rankings here...

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Rematch?

USC is ranked higher in the poll that actually matters.

[FLW Buckeye]

New BCS

[web]http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/poll?poll=BCS[/web]

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Well, after seeing ^ that, yeah, rematch-bound we are...as we stand right now.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Rutgers is still at #6? You must be kidding.

If that's true, and if it's true that, as this board and the talking heads all appear to say, that ND has no shot at the national championship game, then it would appear that ND's game against USC is completely meaningless, except for bragging rights, from ND's perspective.

[Van]

With two huge games still to come USC is close enough now to Michigan that they'll pass 'em if they win out...

Terry, Rutgers is now #14 in the BCS, not #6.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Terry, Rutgers is now #14 in the BCS, not #6.

Yeah, it looks like FLW's rankings were last week's.

If you go to Yahoo's listing, Rutgers is at #14. But if you go to the expanded standings, last week's pop up and they're back at #6.

[Van]

Well, Rutgers is 15, 16 and 14 in the three listings above, with the most important one having 'em at 14.

I think you're safe, there.

[Bobby42]

With two huge games still to come USC is close enough now to Michigan that they'll pass 'em if they win out...

Yep. I think they will.

Michigan No. 2, but not by much over USC

By RALPH D. RUSSO, AP Sports Writer
November 19, 2006

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- For now, the BCS numbers add up to an Ohio State-Michigan rematch for the national championship. But Southern California could prevent that with two more victories.

Michigan was impressive enough in a 42-39 loss to the Buckeyes to retain second place in the Bowl Championship Series standings released Sunday, by a slim margin over USC.

"I'm not surprised," Ohio State coach Jim Tressel said of Michigan retaining second place. "The pollsters had to be impressed with the way (Michigan) has played."

Michigan's BCS average was .926. The Trojans, who have two games left, were at .919.

"It'll be interesting to see how it comes out," Tressel told Fox television.

The No. 1 Buckeyes locked up a spot in the BCS title game Jan. 8 in Arizona with their victory over the Wolverines on Saturday, their 19th straight overall. They also became the first team to have a perfect score of 1.000 under the BCS formula introduced in 2004. Ohio State is a unanimous No. 1 in all the polls and the best team in the country according to the BCS computer ratings.

Florida was in fourth place in the BCS standings with an average of .884, followed by Notre Dame (.820), which plays at USC on Saturday. Arkansas (.807) was sixth. The Razorbacks and Gators meet in the Southeastern Conference title game on Dec. 2.

Michigan's regular season is complete, so the Wolverines can do nothing but watch what happens to USC and the other contenders over the next two weeks.

The Trojans, who beat Cal 23-9 on Saturday to lock up the Pac-10's automatic BCS bid, passed Michigan and moved up to No. 2 in both the coaches' poll and the Harris poll. The polls count for two-thirds of a team's BCS average. Michigan remained second in the computer ratings that account for the other third of the BCS average.

USC is third in the computers, a mark that should get a boost if the Trojans can knock off a highly rated Notre Dame team and crosstown rival UCLA the following week.

It appears Michigan needs USC to lose to get another crack at Ohio State. But that could open an opportunity to the SEC champion if either the Gators or Razorbacks win their final two games.

Unbeaten Boise State moved up to 11th place. With one more victory in their season finale at Nevada, the Broncos will become the second team from a conference without an automatic bid to reach the BCS.

[GeauxMT]

9 Louisville 9-1 10 1857 .652 11 944 .599 .780 10 .677
10 LSU 9-2 8 1889 .663 8 1081 .686 .580 11 .643

How is this possible? LSU has a lower average poll ranking than UL. Confused.

[Van]

Yep, Bobby, USC HAS to lose for Michigan to get in, and even then it might not happen for Michigan depending on what happens with Florida and Arkansas.

Arkansas in particular (provided USC loses), since they end up with games against LSU and Florida. If Arkansas smokes those two or even if Florida smokes FSU and Arkansas either one might leapfrog Michigan, and deservedly so...

The S.O.S. and the number of Quality Wins of all three teams is so much better than Michigan's that there's just no way for Michigan to back into this thing over those other teams, not on the basis of a quality loss which none of these other teams had the opportunity to duplicate.

[Dinsdale]

I don't care what happens in other games -- if Michigan goes to the title game, it will be the biggest travesty in the history of CFB.

Hey, maybe if they lose the title game, they can just keep scheduling rematches untyil Mivhigan finally wins.

They had their chance to beat the frontrunner. They lost. Why is this subject still even being discussed?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Van, care to explain your earlier statement that ND is one win away from REALLY BIG THINGS?

Seems to me that if everyone is correct and ND has no shot at the BCS championship game, then ND's best case scenario is the Sugar Bowl (the Rose Bowl won't select Notre Dame if it means a rematch with either Michigan or USC).

OTOH, based on these standings, barring a complete blowout, I don't see ND falling lower than #10 even with a loss to USC (I'm assuming we'll still be ranked ahead of the loser of the Arkansas-LSU game). It's even possible, if the game is as close as it was last year, that we'd remain in the Top 8 with a loss. But staying in the Top 14 is all but guaranteed barring a total blowout. As we all know, the BCS is not about taking the highest-ranked teams, it's more about getting the most attractive teams available. And when the Sugar Bowl picks, there doesn't figure to be a more attractive team available, from a national perspective, than Notre Dame.

So it would seem to me that in all likelihood, ND will wind up in the Sugar Bowl win or lose the USC game. The only difference is that with a win, that spot will be guaranteed, but a loss means that ND probably will have to sweat it out until the official selections are announced.

[Dumbass]

Re-match Bwahahahaha.

You don't think a victory over #5/6 gets SC over?

Oh, well the are a Pac-10 team so keep praying the rest of you out east.
Lord knows our teams wouldn't have held that position had they lost.

[Van]

Terry, I already explained it in the other thead where you asked me about it...

Anyway...

The "VERY BIG THINGS" I referred to are numerous.

-ND's belief that they're still fighting for a shot at the national title. Like I said, they're wrong in that belief, but make no mistake, ND is going to want to be able to put up an argument.

-Beating USC at the Coliseum to end both USC's home winning streak and ND's losing streak against USC are both HUGE THINGS to Bob Weis and to ND Nation...

-ND's seniors have never beaten USC. Graduating without a win over USC would be almost too much to take for any ND player. Conversely, knowing there's a whole couple of classes of USC players who never lost to ND would be awfully hard to swallow too.

-Brady Quinn's final regular season game, and his his last shot at wrenching the Heisman. He has no shot now at the Heisman, of course, but that's not how the media will spin it in the preamble to the game.

-You know as well as I do, Terry, that this game is a HUGE game for ND if for no other reason than it being an opportunity to piss all over USC's dreams. ND LIVES for opportunities like this.

Get real. This is #6 ranked ND playing #3 (or #2) USC, with national title, BCS bowl and Heisman implications at stake. This is a HUGE one for ND, no two ways about it. ND would gladly trade this win for that Michigan loss. No contest, not for a true ND Fan...

[Van]

B-t-H, well, compared to the geographic location of Pac 10 teams, yeah, the upper midwest and everything east of the Pac 10 for that matter is in fact "out east"...

[Van]

Ahh, Alaska, right?

Gotcha.

[the_ouskull]

Van, considering who the OP is on this thread, I don't think there's a single poster on this entire board who can call him "out east."

I was going to quote you with a "Sincerely, Yao Ming" joke, but when I started looking for a good pic, I realized it wasn't funny, so I stopped. Michigan, I'm not too sure about. Anybody ELSE playing OSU, I'd be okay with the following: Florida, ND (IF they win out) and Rutgers, if they finish unblemished. (I wouldn't LIKE it, but it'd be fair, at least...) Michigan and Rutgers probably have an equal argument, but, honestly, one Michigan / OSU was enough. If they were to play again, I'd probably go and hang out with MClub for a few weeks... just to avoid it.

the_ouskull

[Dinsdale]

Uhh....Skully...you DO know Rutgers got shithammered by a shitty team yesterday, right?

[Shoalzie]

I admit, I'm getting a little tired of hearing that people don't want to see Michigan in the championship game...because they want to see someone different. If they had lost to Ohio State a few weeks back, I wonder what everyone would be thinking. Michigan's three point loss at Ohio State is the best loss of the one loss teams right now, I think they deserve to stay #2. Losing to the #1 team shouldn't knock them down a few notches when the Buckeyes were already thought of as the better team already. You can be #2 and lose to #1 and still be the 2nd best team overall. I think the true measuring stick will be what USC does against Notre Dame. If they can take them behind the woodshed worse than Michigan did, I think they've got a claim to play Ohio State. If Notre Dame beats USC, I'd still keep Michigan ahead of Notre Dame and maybe that brings the SEC champ into the mix. If USC wins out and Arkansas beats Florida, I think it comes down to just USC and Michigan. Michigan probably gets their chance if both USC and Florida lose another game. Can you really put an Arkansas team in that lost as bad as they did over Michigan? #1 vs. #2 isn't supposed to be a viewer's choice...however that stupid formula works, it supposedly tells us who is #1 and #2 after the season is over. If that's Ohio State and Michigan, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

[Bobby42]

Shoalzie, as you pointed out, there's still some football to play. And, if scUM remains #2 at seasons end: Then bring it. We'll be waiting and ready.

[Dinsdale]

however that stupid formula works, it supposedly tells us who is #1 and #2 after the season is over. If that's Ohio State and Michigan, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

GAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!


That's it...I think I've reached the end of my rope with this shit.

WHAAAA, SOME STUPID COMPUTER FUCKED UP THE RANKINGS!!!!!!


FOR GOD'S FUCKING SAKE, SHUT UP.



Rather than spouting stupid shit like "however the stupid formula works" or any other such ignorance, maybe you should hit up one of the 8,000,000 websites that explain it?

Novel fucking concept, eh?


NEWSFLASH -- the freaking polls are 50% of the "stupid formula."


The biggest factor in any "messed up" scenario is still the pollsters.

Duh.

If the pollsters insist on doing stupid shit like overrating the West Virginia's and Notre Dames of the world, it's going to fuck up the "stupid formula."

All the BCS does is attempt to temper some of the pollsters homerism/ignorance/stupidity.

Don't blame the computer, blame the pollsters...still.

[Shoalzie]

Dins--the even thought of anything to do with the BCmesS gives me a giant ulcer...let alone when it involves Michigan. If pollsters want Michigan out of the #2 spot, they've got the power to do so. Michigan did lose their opportunity to take all doubt out of the discussion by winning Saturday but it's not like there's another unbeaten team waiting in the wings to take their spot. Michigan or Ohio State losing would cause the same sort of problems in the polls...I never thought a loss for either team would necessarily knock them out of the hunt. I don't know why their first loss could eliminate either of them when they were the unquestioned #1 and #2 and the gap between them and the one loss teams was pretty large. Now that one of them has lost, which was going to happen, I don't see where it would be some sort of crime against humanity if Michigan-Ohio State II takes place after we saw [very sarcastic]such a stinker of a game on Saturday[/very sarcastic]. I'm willing to sit back let things take place before really getting into a heated debate. I almost feel hypocritical get involved in this argument when I'm such an ardent advocate for a playoff. When the dust settles in a couple weeks, we'll see how it shakes out...there's nothing anything we can do about what's going to happen.

[Dinsdale]

But wait...we need a playoff, right?

So the next time UM loses to OSU, we don't have to watch it again and again?

That makes no sense to me whatsoever. We're trying to crown the best team. Obviously, based upon on-field performance, Michigan ain't it.

Yet with 119 teams (or whatever it is), you'd absolutely FUCK OVER another team to give Michigan multiple shots at beating #1?

Fucking COMMUNISM, I tell's ya.

Nah, screw Florida. Screw Arkansas. Screw USC. Screw all of the other good teams...let's just keep rolling Michigan out there until they beat OSU. Two teams rolled through a shitty conference(yeah, I said it), and based on this, they should just get to play over and over?

That's fucking nuts.

"We need a playoff."

You mean a "playoff," like the kind when you lose a game, you go home? Like that? What the fuck do you call yesterday, then?


You wanted a playoff, you got it. Would you feel better about it if they would have called it "the Playoff Bowl"?

It's not that I'm trying to argue my point...it's just that I can't even comprehend the bullshit coming out of people's mouths since yesterday evening. Egads. Now I know the system in place is OK...it brings out the whiner when teams fuck themselves by losing....just like playoffs do.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Terry, I already explained it in the other thead where you asked me about it...

Anyway...

The "VERY BIG THINGS" I referred to are numerous.

-ND's belief that they're still fighting for a shot at the national title. Like I said, they're wrong in that belief, but make no mistake, ND is going to want to be able to put up an argument.

-Beating USC at the Coliseum to end both USC's home winning streak and ND's losing streak against USC are both HUGE THINGS to Bob Weis and to ND Nation...

-ND's seniors have never beaten USC. Graduating without a win over USC would be almost too much to take for any ND player. Conversely, knowing there's a whole couple of classes of USC players who never lost to ND would be awfully hard to swallow too.

-Brady Quinn's final regular season game, and his his last shot at wrenching the Heisman. He has no shot now at the Heisman, of course, but that's not how the media will spin it in the preamble to the game.

-You know as well as I do, Terry, that this game is a HUGE game for ND if for no other reason than it being an opportunity to piss all over USC's dreams. ND LIVES for opportunities like this.

Get real. This is #6 ranked ND playing #3 (or #2) USC, with national title, BCS bowl and Heisman implications at stake. This is a HUGE one for ND, no two ways about it. ND would gladly trade this win for that Michigan loss. No contest, not for a true ND Fan...

Van, I only partially agree. Yes, this is a big rivalry game, and that is an incentive in and of itself. Yes, ND's senior class has never beaten 'SC. And yes, ND has an opportunity to end the longest home winning streak in the nation, not to extend Weis' road winning streak (ND has never lost on the road since Weis became ND's coach.)

But having said all of that, your post comes dangerously close to placing ND fan in the same category as JON or Babs. This is ND fan you're talking about, after all. For point of reference, ND fan's goal every season is a national championship (although I will concede there are seasons where this isn't a particularly realistic goal), and every season that falls short of that goal is ultimately adjudged a failure -- by a true ND fan, anyway. If ND doesn't win the national championship, it won't matter to ND fan whether Ohio State, USC, Florida, Arkansas or Michigan wins it -- what will matter is that ND did not.

Hell, for that matter, there is a contingency among ND's fanbase who will argue that we should pass up the Sugar Bowl invitation that will probably come our way win or lose, on the basis that it will have no impact on the national championship. There is a certain logic and appeal to that sentiment, but in the modern era, we can't exactly afford to do that.

Expect ND to play its best against USC because it is USC, and because there doesn't appear to be any quit in Weis' teams. If we win, we'll make our best case for why we should be in the BCS championship game, but it seems to me that it's all but decided.

[Shoalzie]

But wait...we need a playoff, right?

So the next time UM loses to OSU, we don't have to watch it again and again?

That makes no sense to me whatsoever. We're trying to crown the best team. Obviously, based upon on-field performance, Michigan ain't it.

Yet with 119 teams (or whatever it is), you'd absolutely FUCK OVER another team to give Michigan multiple shots at beating #1?

Fucking COMMUNISM, I tell's ya.

Nah, screw Florida. Screw Arkansas. Screw USC. Screw all of the other good teams...let's just keep rolling Michigan out there until they beat OSU. Two teams rolled through a shitty conference(yeah, I said it), and based on this, they should just get to play over and over?

That's fucking nuts.

"We need a playoff."

You mean a "playoff," like the kind when you lose a game, you go home? Like that? What the fuck do you call yesterday, then?


You wanted a playoff, you got it. Would you feel better about it if they would have called it "the Playoff Bowl"?

It's not that I'm trying to argue my point...it's just that I can't even comprehend the bullshit coming out of people's mouths since yesterday evening. Egads. Now I know the system in place is OK...it brings out the whiner when teams fuck themselves by losing....just like playoffs do.

I have no beef with Michigan not getting the shot if a team like USC wins out but Michigan is sitting in the clubhouse with an 11-1 record and their lone loss against the #1. Granted it was their last game, as it was for the Buckeyes. The point of that garbage national title game in Glendale is to pit #1 vs. #2 from the regular season. If when the dust settles and Michigan is perceived to be the #2 team in the nation, we'll see a rematch. Don't miscontrude anything I've been saying as whining. The debate should be about who's the #2 team in the country, not who deserves to play Ohio State. If Michigan stays #2 in the BCmesS standings after the conference championship games, we'll be treated to a second helping of the big game.

Look, I think the whole system is dog shit. If we had a playoff, Michigan would have to go through a few teams to make it to the championship game like everyone else. I would prefer that the championship is decided on the field. The regular season can be perceived as an eliminator. If that game Saturday was played weeks ago, we don't have the same stink about seeing a rematch. I don't understand why everyone wants to see #3 or #4 team play #1 instead of #2 when that's what is supposed to happen. It's just dumb luck that #1 and #2 played on the last game of the year and it could turn out that those two could meet again in January. We've got this viewer's choice mentality that we want the game that we would rather watch as opposed to the one we're supposed to watch. Given the system and the rules of the BCmesS, Michigan wasn't eliminated from playing Ohio State again in Glendale and until USC or Florida jumps them in the standings, it could still happen. I'm not doing this to pimp Michigan...I'm just taking issue with the idea that a team can lose the last game of the year and still finish #2 deserves to play in the #1 vs. #2. It's another flaw in this system...what can I say?

[Cicero]

I dont have a problem w/ Michigan staying at #2. There is still a lot of football to be played and if USC wins out they probably will leap frog Michigan anyway.

[Dinsdale]

if USC wins out they probably will leap frog Michigan anyway.

Thanks for that, Marcus.

You can take out the "probably" - btw.

[Van]

ND, I'd submit that ND Fan on the whole cares a great deal about who wins the national title, besides ND.

Let some ND fan like, oh, say, Lax...choose the national title winner and you can bet your last dollar that he'd choose ANY team but USC to win it.

So too would many an ND Fan.

I'd also submit that when the schedule for this game came out ND Fan took a look at it and the one game they circled that they'd most dearly not want to lose would be the November 25th game in L.A.

Let 'em choose between beating Michigan this season or beating USC to end ND's streak of futility against USC and it'd be a nearly unanimous pick in favor of beating USC.

Now, with everything else that's swirling around this particular USC game, ND's desire to beat USC is even greater.

Just like when you stopped UCLA's streak in basketball you desperately would love to be the team to put an end to USC's home winning streak and knowing that in the process you also ended their national title game streak would make it even sweeter...

Put it this way, Terry...

If ND loses this game they'll chalk it up to being not that important or memorable of a game in what also wasn't that important or memorable of a season. However, a win here against USC would easily be ND's biggest win in how long? Five years or more? A win here would give ND an opportunity to finish off their most successful season in how long? Five years or more?

Yep, a win here would be the biggest regular season win for ND since I've "known "you.

[Shoalzie]

if USC wins out they probably will leap frog Michigan anyway.

Thanks for that, Marcus.

You can take out the "probably" - btw.

USC is in the driver's seat. I would be safe to assume USC will jump Michigan for #2 after the Notre Dame game...barring that they win of course. Their strength of schedule should be one of the best in the nation...wins over 3 of the top 20 would be big. If Notre Dame wins, that obviously screws USC and it helps Michigan in many ways including it improves their strength of schedule plus they still have that head-to-head edge on the Irish. Notre Dame has no chance in going to Glendale on that fact alone. The pollsters need to be drug tested if they vote them ahead of Michigan if they beat USC. If USC does lose, the only two teams left in the discussion are Florida and Arkansas. Florida still has FSU and Arkansas has LSU to close out the regular season...both should be tricky games. If one of them loses and then turns around and wins the SEC title game giving both teams two losses...I can't see another team having a claim over Michigan. The rematch will be unavoidable at the point.

[Van]

Yup.

[Terry in Crapchester]

ND, I'd submit that ND Fan on the whole cares a great deal about who wins the national title, besides ND.

Let some ND fan like, oh, say, Lax...choose the national title winner and you can bet your last dollar that he'd choose ANY team but USC to win it.

So too would many an ND Fan.

With all due respect, I think I know ND Fan a little better than you, and I disagree. Lax is a bad example -- as you pointed out in another thread, he's more USC hater than ND Fan.

If ND doesn't win the national championship, most ND fans don't really give a flying fuck who does. And if you're looking for a team that inspires the most pure "hatred" from ND fan, certainly for the fans of my generation, that would be Miami, not USC. I was a senior when Jimmah's Big Boy went out of his way to put half a hundred on us. And the 11-game win streak vs. USC is still recent enough to be relatively fresh in my memory. It's hard to hate a team after you've had that long a winning streak against them.

I'd also submit that when the schedule for this game came out ND Fan took a look at it and the one game they circled that they'd most dearly not want to lose would be the November 25th game in L.A.

True, but that's because: (1) ND's national championship goal was actually somewhat realistic this season; (2) USC appeared to be the toughest opponent on the schedule, not to mention a traditional rival and the regular season finale; and (3) although Michigan always commands respect, they were coming off a 7-5 season, and let's be honest, nobody expected them to be as good as they have been.

Let 'em choose between beating Michigan this season or beating USC to end ND's streak of futility against USC and it'd be a nearly unanimous pick in favor of beating USC.

True again, but with national championship implications as aforestated, under normal circumstances a USC loss in November hurts ND much more than a Michigan loss in September.

Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that ND beats USC by 25. Would you honestly say that under these circumstances, ND fan would rather have a 25-point win over USC and a 25-point loss to Michigan than a 3-point win over USC and a 3-point loss to Michigan?

Now, with everything else that's swirling around this particular USC game, ND's desire to beat USC is even greater.

Only if we're still in the national championship hunt, although ultimately that's up to the pollsters and computers.

Just like when you stopped UCLA's streak in basketball you desperately would love to be the team to put an end to USC's home winning streak and knowing that in the process you also ended their national title game streak would make it even sweeter...

UCLA's 88-game winning streak got much more national attention than USC's home winning streak is getting. And when we beat UCLA to end their 88-game winning streak, we wound up ranked (briefly) #1 in basketball. A win vs. USC next week won't give us a similar #1 ranking, although we'll move to somewhere between 2 and 4.

Put it this way, Terry...

If ND loses this game they'll chalk it up to being not that important or memorable of a game in what also wasn't that important or memorable of a season. However, a win here against USC would easily be ND's biggest win in how long? Five years or more? A win here would give ND an opportunity to finish off their most successful season in how long? Five years or more?

Yep, a win here would be the biggest regular season win for ND since I've "known "you.

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of incentive to win here. But make no mistake about it, part of the reason why it would be such a big win is the success ND has had this season independent of this game.

We've already won 10 games for only the second time since 1993. We haven't won 11 since 1993. We haven't won 12 (which we could do with a win vs. USC and a win in the Sugar Bowl) since 1989 (and I could be wrong about this, but I believe that this would be only the third 12-win season in ND history). If we win out, we're guaranteed a Top 5 finish in the final poll, quite possibly as high as #2. The last time we were ranked anywhere near that high was in 1993. So even though it appears we'll fall short of our ultimate goal, in some respects, it's already been a successful season, and the potential is there for it to be an even more successful season.

[SoCalTrjn]

B-t-H, well, compared to the geographic location of Pac 10 teams, yeah, the upper midwest and everything east of the Pac 10 for that matter is in fact "out east"...

The Upper Mid West would be Montana according to this thing we call a map



and it certainly is out east compared to the cities that the Pac 10 schools call home. So are places in the mid west like Salt lake City, Denver, Idaho Falls and Casper

[Van]

aforestated

Love the inclusion of that word on this board.

Sayin'.

[PSUFAN]

if Michigan goes to the title game, it will be the biggest travesty in the history of CFB.

It's extremely unlikely that this will happen.

If it were to happen, though...at least we know that it would be a good matchup. OSU won by three points in what amounted to a barnburner.

I see OSU handily defeating any other team they face.

[Dinsdale]

So are places in the mid west like Salt lake City, Denver, Idaho Falls and Casper

Werd to your Lefties.

Don't forget to add Bend, OR and Kennewick, WA to the list of midwest cities.

[Goober McTuber]

NEWSFLASH -- the freaking polls are 50% of the "stupid formula."

NEWSFLASH -- the freaking polls are 66.7% of the "stupid formula." Mr Know-it-all.

[Dinsdale]

I stand corrected. Up until this year, the voter polls counted for 50%, if my shakey memory serves correctly. The AP withdrawl changed things a bit.

[Van]

I stand corrected. Up until this year, the voter polls counted for 50%, if my shakey memory serves correctly. The AP withdrawl changed things a bit.

No biggie, Dins.

Wait'll you get a load of the brain fart I just had, over in the Big East thread!!

[Ken]

NEWSFLASH -- the freaking polls are 50% of the "stupid formula."

NEWSFLASH -- the freaking polls are 66.7% of the "stupid formula." Mr Know-it-all.

Shut up. Really.
This happened to be one of those times when the rest of us knew damned straight it was 2/3rds of the formula but just didn't seem it worthwhile to say anything. They're the most basic of CFB facts here;The BCS components. It's just SO obvious it ain't worth saying a thing. But if you wanna play the part of Mr. I Know the Rules, knock yerself out. Boy, you sure showed us. You win.



Hey, quick li'l search and wouldn't ya' know it:

Just curious, does the AP poll count for anything?

Fucking dolt.
I'll take "Questions my wife would ask me while watching a game w/me" for $200.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I'll take "Questions my wife would ask me while watching a game w/me" for $200.

Answer: "Honey, is there any chance you can get off your fat ass and wash the Jetta this afternoon?"