Oregon State @ Hawaii... starts now!

[420]

This should be a good one.

The real "Colt"... could set an NCAA record for most TD's in a single season.

If you're east of Sacramento... put on your Nascar helmets... you're gonna need them!

[Dinsdale]

GOOOOOOOO JUNEBUG!!!!!!!!


The only D1 team besides Oregon I don't HATE.

[420]

Nothing like a 3 layer cake!

After the best day of College Football.

It's still Saturday for the right coast.

[Shoalzie]

Ohio State-Michigan trumps anything from this weekend but the USC-UCLA and SEC championship games were very entertaining and meaningful games. To be honest, I could give two shits about the other games...none of them have any title implications to them. Believe it or not, I'm not to interested in who's going to the Fiesta or the Orange Bowl based on tonight's results.

[Dinsdale]

I feel sorry for Schotzie...dude just doesn't "get" CFB.

[Shoalzie]

Sorry that I didn't get caught up in the drama of Wake Forest-Georgia Tech. These conference title games would mean infinitely more if it meant getting a berth into a playoff. Instead, we're debating over who's going to these assorted consolation games. Pardon me for calling the flaws of Division IA college football. In it's purest form, it's a beautiful thing to watch but when you peel away the layers, it has serious problems.

[Cross Traffic]

Nothing like late night college fb.

Too bad Hawaii doesn't allow the Fox regional networks to show their home games anymore. Used to be nice to watch with the late starting time.

[420]

I feel sorry for Schotzie...dude just doesn't "get" CFB.

lol!

Give the guy a break. He lives in Michigan, and wants to bang his sister.

[Shoalzie]

Give the guy a break. He lives in Michigan, and wants to bang his sister.

mont...whatever called and he wants his jokes back.

(Yes, I know 420 = m2 and other lame aliases)

[420]

Give the guy a break. He lives in Michigan, and wants to bang his sister.

mont...whatever called and he wants his jokes back.

(Yes, I know 420 = m2 and other lame aliases)

How much was the "intelligence" course?

Or should I ask, how did you take care of your sister's button.

[Dinsdale]

Schotz...let me help you...

There's 119 teams competing for the Big Prize.

118 of them won't win it.

Was the B10 Championship game today "meaningless"? Sure doesn't appear that way to the OU/Neb fans on this board, does it?

Newsflash -- before the season even started, there was probably only about 20-30 teams with a legitimate shot at it in the first place. And I noticed that the fans of those other teams still showed up at the stadium. You know why? Because they like college football, and they enjoy cheering on their team.

Funny how that fucking works.

My Trailblazers have little shot at the NBA championship this season. Yet, I'll still watch about every televised game, and I'm sure I'll make it to a few.


At this point, I'm not even smacking you -- I truly feel pity for you.

[M Club]

Sorry that I didn't get caught up in the drama of Wake Forest-Georgia Tech.

no one did. but other than that, cfb as is a shit ton better than the nfl and its super bowl. the pros get to have their five-loss champions, but all i get from watching them play for it all is an urge to buy beers, cars, computers, etc. i'd rather watch some school i paid $25g/year into win a consolation of a bowl game than have a litany of multi-nationals use the sport i love as a forum to sell me shit. nevermind, the mnc games is called the tostitos bowl or some shit like that. the acc sucks.

[420]

D2, bitches!! a playoff system doesn't seem to have ruined the sport. went to a playoff game today, froze nuts off, screamed my head off, Northwest won and the loser's season is over. no consolation bowls here and it's fucking great!!

Great.

You live in a shithole and froze your ass off.

You can turn your TV on now.

It's in Hawaii. (Kinda warm)

[Shoalzie]

At this point, I'm not even smacking you -- I truly feel pity for you.

I'm just so fed up with this system right now, it's getting harder to get excited for these other games. The only games in the last few weeks that I've truly paid attention to have had impact on the Tostitos Shamorama Bowl in Glendale. Games like Rutgers-Louisville, Michigan-Ohio State, Rutgers-Cincinnati, Notre Dame-USC, USC-UCLA, and Florida-Arkansas...these were all meaningful games because they had direct impact on the national title and deciding was would #1 and #2 in the BCmesS. Unless you're a fan of these other teams and you get a hard on for bowl games still...I suppose you would've watched yesterday's games with some interest but to me, I'm pretty much turned off by the whole thing because being a team that won the Big XII or the Big East or the ACC gets nothing more than a pat on the back and a check. Again, I'm pointing out the flaws of this system. Yesterday could've been as exciting at conference championship week in college basketball but instead of Oklahoma, Louisville, and Wake Forest advancing to a national playoff, they're going to play in these silly games that have no impact on the national championship. There will be 32 games played between mid-December and the first part of January and only one of them has an impact on the championship...what is the point of the other 31? We could've had a nice 8, 16 or even 32 team playoff but instead, we're subjected to 31 exhibition games and 1 game at the end that will crown a champion altough it's going to be disputed that either Michigan or Florida was left out of the game. I don't understand why this isn't making a connection with more of you...instead, you just sit back and accept it. I realize none of here can do anything about the insane number of bowl games, the silly sponsors on the bowl games and the fact there isn't a playoff system in place but doesn't that get you frustrated or upset that we're being cheated out of a much more meaningful and exciting postseason and having a truer measure of determining a national champion.

[Shoalzie]

D2, bitches!! a playoff system doesn't seem to have ruined the sport. went to a playoff game today, froze nuts off, screamed my head off, Northwest won and the loser's season is over. no consolation bowls here and it's fucking great!!

Gets it...big time!

[Dinsdale]

Schotz...after that last pathetic post(yeah, buddy -- that Louisville-Rutgers game had HUGE ramifications on the championship game...HUGE....dumbass), the very idea that you think you are qualified to sit in judgement of a person "getting it" is beyond laughable.

YOU are the one who doesn't "get it"?

Got it?

Neither Louisville nor Rutgers nor Boise State had ANY chance of winning the championship this year, and rightfully so. Then again, you're the tard that thinks Troy should get a crack at the title because they went 7-5 against Pop Warner teams...idiot.

[Van]

Shoalzie, I think it's safe to say that every last one of us here finds major fault with the current BCS system and I think it's equally safe to say that every last one of us here would like to see some sort of change implemented in the form of some sort of playoffs. That being said, your scenario simply holds no water. Even if we're to go to a 16 team playoffs (total pipe dream, but okay, for the sake of argument...) we still don't need Troy and Central Michgan and teams like that getting into the D-1A playoffs.

We'd need the 16 best teams (or thereabouts, as close as we could come, anyway), not the 16 most politically correct teams. We're shooting for a true champion of CF here, not the happiest environment down at Sunday School during graham cracks and milk time.

We don't need a representative from every conference. Some conferences and their S.O.S. simply don't rate so they don't belong in any D-1A playoffs system.

[Shoalzie]

Neither Louisville nor Rutgers nor Boise State had ANY chance of winning the championship this year, and rightfully so. Then again, you're the tard that thinks Troy should get a crack at the title because they went 7-5 against Pop Warner teams...idiot.

Stick your neck out on the line and come up with a better system...you obviously know more than I do or at least that's what you say. It's easier for someone like you to just wait for someone to come up with a theory or a concept and to shoot it down instead of sitting down and actually thinking of one on your own. You might not like what I have to say but I'm not here to just nod my head in agreement with everyone else's opinion...I'm here to actually say something. Whether my system makes no sense or I'm an idiot...at least I tried to come up with a solution to the problem that is sticking with my basic principles and ideas of what the college football postseason should be.

My goals I would want accomplished with a Division IA playoff:

1. Reward all conference champions (and I do mean ALL).
2. Allow teams from every conference in Division IA to participate (not just the ones that play the tough schedules or have the fancy uniforms and big names).
3. Eliminate the existence of the bowl system but use some of the sites as locations for playoff games.
4. Have the playoff take place soon after the end of the regular season and conference championships.
5. Take as much of the decision-making process by voters and computer polls out of play by only having 5 of 16 team field be at-large and having an actual committee choose these teams instead of a formula. The rest of the field would be automatic bids based on winning the regular season or conference championship game.

Changes I would propose to be changed in college football if I had the ability to do so:

1. Institute a playoff system...obviously.
2. No more independents...including Notre Dame (I know what you're gonna say, Domers). All teams must be in a conference.
3. 12 game schedules where teams play 6 at home and 6 on the road. Each team receives one bye week and the regular season and conference championships are to be completed in 14 weeks. The playoffs would either start one or two weeks afterwards.
4. Realign some of the smaller conferences into larger conferences and establish conference championship games. Lower the number of conferences from 11 down to 8 or 9 to allow extra teams to get into the playoff or just have conferences and have the field be made up of the 8 conference winners.
5. For conferences without conference championship games, they must have a complete round-robin conference schedule. (ie--Big Ten should play 10 conference games instead of just 7 or 8...Ohio State and Wisconsin never played this year)
6. No more games against non-Division IA schools...however, there must be an even number of teams in Division IA to do so.

And this, great sage of all things in the world, is where you give your customary post of disagreement with everything I just said and call me an idiot or cousin-kisser...

[Shoalzie]

We'd need the 16 best teams (or thereabouts, as close as we could come, anyway), not the 16 most politically correct teams. We're shooting for a true champion of CF here, not the happiest environment down at Sunday School during graham cracks and milk time.

We don't need a representative from every conference. Some conferences and their S.O.S. simply don't rate so they don't belong in any D-1A playoffs system.

Either include everyone or just kick out the small schools...you can't just include the top schools from the major conferences. It's this mentality that will never allow a school from a small conference to win it all. Instead of worrying about lining the pockets of the big conferences and putting together sexy matchups...throw everyone into the hopper and see which one comes out alive instead of keeping the big school/little school classifications. You might not like this year's 7-5 Troy team or 9-4 Central Michigan team but one year from those conferences, someone will post a record like Boise State did this year. What is the point of even having these teams in Division IA if their games and their season pretty much doesn't count. They serve as nothing more than punching bags for the bigger programs.

[Ken]

I feel sorry for Schotzie...dude just doesn't "get" CFB.

This ain't the first time he's said something to this effect. Hell, as a matter of fact, I believe it was him who said he could pretty much care less about UofM if they weren't in the title game. Dunno what he'll be doing come 4:30 PM on the 4th or whatever day the Rose Bowl is... rest assured it won't be in front of the TV watching UofM right, Shoalzie? I concur... doesn't 'get it'.

[Shoalzie]

If not watching the Rose Bowl means I don't get it than I'm guilty as charged. I'm steadfast in my beliefs about this system and I'd be nothing more than a hypocrite to sit and watch these silly bowl games when I spend the entire season discrediting their value in the grand scheme of things. It's a lonely feeling sometimes to think for yourself and have your own unique opinion or view on something. Whether it's hair-brained or crazy...it's how I feel and I'm not telling anyone here they have to agree with it. I'm just here to strongly state my case and let you think of it what you will. I should be writing letters to those in charge of college football about my ideas but instead, I just use this board as a place to throw out different theories and concepts for everyone else to think about and build upon. If you just want to laugh and point fingers...that's your right. I wouldn't do that to any ideas anyone else came up with but I would at least give a reason why it will or won't work instead calling you names.

[Van]

We'd need the 16 best teams (or thereabouts, as close as we could come, anyway), not the 16 most politically correct teams. We're shooting for a true champion of CF here, not the happiest environment down at Sunday School during graham cracks and milk time.

We don't need a representative from every conference. Some conferences and their S.O.S. simply don't rate so they don't belong in any D-1A playoffs system.

Either include everyone or just kick out the small schools...you can't just include the top schools from the major conferences.

Sure we can. Less qualified programs from less qualified conferences don't deserve to be included so they won't be included. If they want to be included they'll play a schedule that's tough enough to prove their worth and merit their inclusion.

Going 12-0 ain't enough. Most of us have zero doubt that Ohio St/Michigan/USC/Texas/OU/LSU/Auburn/etc would likely average multiple seasons between losses if all they ever had to play were the schedules of a Boise St, Central Michigan or Troy.

It's this mentality that will never allow a school from a small conference to win it all.

Exactly, and thank god. The national champion of CF can't be a small school from a small conference. Such a team will never be tested enough throughout the season to ever earn the right to compare their resume with those of teams who had to beat good teams to arrive at the same W-L point.

Instead of worrying about lining the pockets of the big conferences and putting together sexy matchups...

Yeah, 'cause none of us really want sexy match ups, do we?? We'd MUCH rather see a bunch of small, slow teams with next to no compelling tradition in CF, like Troy and Central Michigan, getting physically abused by teams with far superior athletes.

I take it that epic Nebraska/Troy match up this season really gave you a boner, did it? Really whetted your appeitite for an even more compelling Troy-Ohio St playoff game?

throw everyone into the hopper and see which one comes out alive instead of keeping the big school/little school classifications.

No. In order to earn a shot at the ring you gotta do more than coast all season to a 7-5 record (or even a 12-0 record) against a bunch of stiffs. You don't get the opportunity to go to a playoffs and beat the one team you'll play all season who's any good, a team who was looking past you because they're so much better than you and they see a match up with Ohio St on the horizon.

No. You want an invitation to the big dance? Compile a similar record against similar competition. Stick your neck out all season and see if you can still compile the same W-L record as the Big Dogs. Otherwise, enjoy your nice little bowl game as the reward you truly earned.

You might not like this year's 7-5 Troy team or 9-4 Central Michigan team but one year from those conferences, someone will post a record like Boise State did this year.

And, just like Boise St, nobody will care then either. Notice how nobody's complaining that Boise St isn't in the title game discussion?

Think OU wouldn't MUCH rather play a typical BCS bowl game opponent? Think OU-Boise St won't end up garnering one of the lowest tv ratings ever for the Fiesta Bowl?

Here's a little tip...

It won't be OU's fault.

What is the point of even having these teams in Division IA if their games and their season pretty much doesn't count. They serve as nothing more than punching bags for the bigger programs.

They count, to them, and to a select other few. They don't count as much to the rest of the nation, and that's exactly as it should be. We value achievement at the highest level far more than achievement at the middling level where nobody sees it and it had no effect on the wider world. We care about the Yankees beating the Red Sox far more than we care about the Toledo Mud Hens beating the Sacramento River Cats. We care about seeing the Beatles and Led Zeppelin far more than we care about seeing three chord garage bands who suck.

Should it ever be any different? Why on earth should we give out equal rewards for unequal accomplishments?

[Shoalzie]

They count, to them, and to a select other few. They don't count as much to the rest of the nation, and that's exactly as it should be. We value achievement at the highest level far more than achievement at the middling level where nobody sees it and it had no effect on the wider world. We care about the Yankees beating the Red Sox far more than we care about the Toledo Mud Hens beating the Sacramento River Cats. We care about seeing the Beatles and Led Zeppelin far more than we care about seeing three chord garage bands who suck.

Should it ever be any different? Why on earth should we give out equal rewards for unequal accomplishments?

I would agree whole-heartedly with that statement if you all of these teams weren't all in Division IA. To you and many others, there is really a Division IA-A and a Division IA-B. You compared major league baseball to AAA baseball...not on the same level...and rock royalty to music amateurs that no one will see or hear ever...not on the same level. As long as there is 100 or so teams in Division IA football and half of them only matter because they're teams that we want to watch instead of teams that deserve a shot. Let's just not play a season at all and just have one game each week featuring teams the American TV public choose via a web poll or text message. Whether these teams never win a championship or even win a game against the so-called elite...you'll never know until you let them play. That George Mason run in this year's tournament...yeah, that was lame TV wasn't it? If someone like you was in charge of things, the other teams shouldn't even bother playing their season. Go 12-0 or 0-12...they'll always be considered small time.

[Van]

You compared major league baseball to AAA baseball...not on the same level...

Triple AAA baseball is far closer in talent to the major leagues than Troy or Buffalo are to the top 16 CF teams. It's not even close. The Sacramento River Cats would beat their parent club, the Oaklnd A's, quite frequently. They could take them in a series. They will see their players playing for the A's, often in the same season.

Meanwhile, Mickey Mouse St would lose to Ohio St 100 times out of 100 and the more they played the bigger the blowouts would become as more and more Mickey Mouse St players got increasingly dispirited on their way to the injured list.

band rock royalty to music amateurs that no one will see or hear ever...not on the same level.

It's exactly the same level. One's great and we've heard of them and we wish to see them. The other is a non entity to anybody but their close friends and family and they're nowhere near as good and nobody else cares to see them.

As long as there is 100 or so teams in Division IA football and half of them only matter because they're teams that we want to watch instead of teams that deserve a shot.

Weird sentence there since you neither made a statement nor asked a question but the only teams "that deserve a shot" are those who play well enough against good enough competition to where they end the year with a legitimate argument that they deserve to play for the title.

The Troys and Central Michigans of the D-1A world cannot make such a claim.

Let's just not play a season at all and just have one game each week featuring teams the American TV public choose via a web poll or text message.

Or, let's play the season and only involve worthy teams in our playoffs. I think that'd be much better.

Whether these teams never win a championship or even win a game against the so-called elite...you'll never know until you let them play.

.

Yes, we will know. In CF we'll definitely know. We know to a 100% certainty that Troy lost 93-0 to Nebraska during the regular season. We know to a 100% degree certainty that Troy has no business being on the same field with top level D-1A teams. We know to a 100% certainty that Troy has not earned the right to join Ohio St in their quest for a national championship.

That George Mason run in this year's tournament...yeah, that was lame TV wasn't it?

What's that got to do with football? Nothing like that would be possible in football, where it's eleven on eleven in a full contact sport. In basketball, where it's only five on five, one dominant player can propel an otherwise less talented team forward against a more talented team.

Can't happen in football. Too many physical mismatches all over the field. Too many breakdowns will occur on the side of the overmatched squad and everything's linked together in football. The team matters too much. You can't just isolate a guy with a hot hand on the post and have him be a one man team.

Even a guy like VY last year, if you'd stuck him behind Baylor's line and surrounded him with Baylor's weapons he would've gotten his head kicked in every game.

If someone like you was in charge of things, the other teams shouldn't even bother playing their season. Go 12-0 or 0-12...they'll always be considered small time.

Ahh, yes, my favoritest subject of them all...

"If I were in charge"

Bam. Let's do this!

-New Decree I: Mandatory balanced schedules for everybody. Six home games, six roadies, period. You still wanna load up on Troy and Buffalo? Great. Schedule them for a home and away series or you don't get to schedule them.

-New Decree II: No games pitting D-1A against D-1AA.

-New Decree III: No preseason polls. No polls at all until at least Week 6, by which we at least know a little bit about the teams we're ranking.

-New Decree IV: BCS points are to be deducted from your score any time you schedule an OOC game where by game time Vegas has you down as at least a thirty point favorite. (I REALLY hate OOC creampuff match ups.)

-New Decree V: You don't go to a bowl game unless you're ranked in the final Top 25. Too many fuggen bowl games. 12 bowl games, that's the limit.

-New Decree VI: We're realigning some conferences, holmes!! We're going for natural regional rivalries to form Super Conferences, baby! Football conferences only though, of course. ND and Iowa St join the Big 10. Florida St, Clemson and Miami join the SEC. The Big East and ACC merge. Arkansas and TCU ditch their conferences to replace Iowa St and Baylor in the Big XII. The Pac 10 adds Fresno St, BYU, Utah and Boise St. (Yeah, I know, it sucks but there's nobody really good we can add to the Pac 10.)

-New Decree VII: Plus One will decide the two teams to play in the national championship game.

-New Decree VIII: I pick the top four "no brainer" teams to play in Plus One. In the case of an argument as to who's the fourth team? Well, hell, they barely belong anyway so I'm not going to put too much effort into sorting that mess out. I'm flipping a coin.

-New Decree IX: Dins is my new Secretary Of Scheduling. To insure that the SEC and the Big XII do the right thing (and to make sure the SEC actually begins to travel) I'm assigning that sardonic fucker to set up the OOC schedules of every team in the nation, with the two obvious exceptions of Oregon and Oregon St. There, I let Seer handle those duties.

-New Decree X: Terry is my new Minister Of Rankings. His job will be to assemble and make sense of all the various and sundry statistical minutiae which he so delights in disseminating; all the shit Dins couldn't be bothered to handle because he'd too often be passed out mid week and he'd the shit slide. Terry will decide all the lesser bowl match ups. He will be excused however from having to include ND in any of his rankings/bowl match ups. That job will fall to, oh, lessee here...88.

-New Decree XI: In a long overdue and much cherished ceremony befitting their stature amongst the true cognescenti of CF Brent Musberger and Lee Corso will be drawn and quartered at midfield during half time of this year's BCS title game. As their fitting final moment on earth would so richly deserve we trot out Ashlee Simpson to attempt to warble out her latest mega pop hit to them just as they begin to go into shock.

-New Decree XII: New College Football Game Day crew. Killian will handle the John Saunders "straight man" role. bradhusker will handle the Lee Corso buffoon's role. m2 will handle the Kirk Herbstreit "I used to play!" role.

-New Decree XIII: New live broadcast team. Mgo takes over the acerbic Howard Cossell play by play chair. PSU takes over the smoooooth (and shitfaced) Frank Gifford color role. B-t-H takes over the folksy-guy-just-enjoying-you-morons-taking-this-shit-so-seriously-role-while-I-mock-you-in song-and-spirit Dandy Don Meredith role. The ever ubiquitous Jsc handles the affable sideline reporter role as exemplified by Ahmad Rashad and Jimmy Meds pokes fun at the losing team's head coach, a la Jim Gray.

SoCal will obviously handle wardrobe.








Let's roll.

[Shoalzie]

I'm surprised in your new rules you didn't suggest that a huge hole in the earth should open up and swallow every small conference team so you never have to watch them play again.

If those in charge of D-IA football tomorrow said that they would demote 20 or 30 teams back down to D-IAA or D-II...that wouldn't bother me. They'd almost be better off there and be able to compete with other D-IAA or D-II programs instead of being treated like sacrificial lambs to the D-IA powerhouses. If I was a B or C level high school prospect...I'd much rather go to D-IAA or D-II powerhouse than go play in D-IA for a program that will never be allowed to play with the rest of the group because of the name on the front of their uniform and the fact they never have anything to play for other than making a few trips into the stadium of a major program and getting their doors blown off. Even if any of these small programs go unbeaten or 11-1...their wins are rendered insignificant because of who they are and who they play, even though they're playing other D-IA programs. If you aren't in one of the six major conferences, you might as well not even play.

My whole thing is that if these teams were placed on this level with the USCs, Michigans and Ohio States of the world...then why are they treated like they're still in D-IAA or D-II? If you're a D-IA program that is placed into a conference and team X wins said conference...there has to be more of a reward than just putting them in a bowl game that no one would ever want to watch even if you paid people to do so. Regardless of the name of the school or the name of the conference...shouldn't there be a greater reward for winning a conference than playing in some schlocky bowl game? The bar with those programs is set so low every year because that's as high up as it can go because of their being a glass ceiling on them. Put a carrot in front of some of these programs and you'd be amazed that in time, the quality of football on that second and third tier will improve greatly. Why do you see so many quality coaches from these smaller schools and go to big schools? They really can't go any further with their small time programs because they don't get to compete with the rest of the D-IA for national titles and the only way the coaches can advance their careers is leave head to the BCmesS conferences for a better opportunity.

Maybe they'll never reach the status of the elite of the elite but when you reward them with second and third rate bowl games, you'll get second and third rate performances. If sending them out on a national stage and getting their brains beat in by a top flight team in a playoff to me would be a better reward than pretty much sheltering them from the rest of the college football community and letting them exist in udder obsurity. Giving them national exposure and attention by playing in the national playoff instead of bowl games with no reward...more players will be drawn to those programs and in time, they will grow up beyond their current level right now. You might not see the same parity that occurs with college hoops with star players leaving after one or two years and with the rapid growth in the mid-majors but the gap would be narrowed between the best team in the best conference and the best team in the weakest conference producing a more level playing field.

I realize I'm pretty much talking to a brick wall with what I've got to say about the small D-IA schools...I'm just saying give them something to play for each year and eventually some of these programs will improve in time. I really don't know how many did ways I can state my case on this...clearly we'll never see eye-to-eye on this. Fair enough...

[Dinsdale]

Stick your neck out on the line and come up with a better system...you obviously know more than I do or at least that's what you say. It's easier for someone like you to just wait for someone to come up with a theory or a concept and to shoot it down instead of sitting down and actually thinking of one on your own.

Hey Schotz...take a big long pull off your inhaler, buddy.

Deep breaths.

Calm now?

OK.

Now, go ahead and link up where I ever said the current system was broken or needs changing.

OK.

Now, shut the fuck up.

We get it...you whine like a 3 year old...we get it.