You know what wouldve been great

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:39 pm

A 8 team playoff with the winner meeting in glendale.

Fiesta
#8 Boise State vs. #1 OSU

Rose
#6 USC vs. #3 Michigan

Orange
#7 Oklahoma vs. #2 floriduh

Sugar
#5 Louisville vs. #4 LSU

Get rid of Wake and ND in the BCS Bowls and pair 'em up.

Sorry for the playoff post. I know its the most un-original thing but fuck it.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:47 pm

Or, we could just pair #1 Ohio St in the Rose with whoever's the #4 team while #2 Florida hosts #3 Michigan in the Sugar.

The two winners play each other one week later, it's then a done deal and nobody has a complaint worth voicing. There'd be a bit of a squabble over who should get #4 but really, tough shit. You're lucky we even changed the system enough to give you an argument 'cause in any other year the #4 slot is out of the loop completely anyway.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:57 pm

It's the least drastic change possible and it also preserves the current bowl system better than any other proposed method so Plus One really should receive the least resistance from TPTB...

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:37 pm

Mr T...how can you forget about the Fighting Troys of Troy and the mighty Central Michigan Chippewas? Just kidding...

Make those 4 bowls into an actual tournament was really what I hoped they were trying to accomplish with the BCmesS. The BCmesS has really become a cash grab and now none of the four original bowl games actually decide the national title and they once again invite a new game to try to decide the national champ instead of swallowing their pride and scrapping everything coming up with a new idea. Some may take issue with a 16 team tournament but I think 8 is the ideal number. With 8 teams, you can sneak in a team like Boise State that at least deserves a shot since they went unbeaten and still take 7 top teams and just let them fight it out instead of this Michigan-Florida/who's #2 debate. These things shouldn't be up for debate...I'm sick of hearing people say that contraversy is good for college football. What I want to see is a postseason worthy of a great sport. You can leave the bowl names on the games as long as you just let the teams fight it out for themselves and stop worrying about stuff like if Jim Tressel sent in his ballot or who really has the better strength of the schedule.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:44 pm

Shoalzie wrote:Some may take issue with a 16 team tournament but I think 8 is the ideal number.

Schotz, serious question...if YOU can't decide how many teams should be in the fantasy-playoff, how is it you're harping on the NCAA for not implementing your ideas?

Since you've now given two completely different takes on this subject in a two-day stretch, how do you not expect anyone to just laugh at you and dismiss your ideas?

Just curious.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:51 pm

Yeah, it's kind of wishy-washy on my part...I won't lie. Bottom line, I just want a playoff. 4, 8 or 16 teams...I want to see teams fight it out on the field. I would like to see the small conferences send their regular season champs to the big dance too but that idea isn't exactly going over too well in here. My ideal format would be the 16 team playoff but I like Mr T's idea too because it would at least get a team like Boise State in the mix. I'm allowed to say I like another person's idea instead of just calling it stupid or improbable because it's not my idea.

GeauxMT · Post by **GeauxMT** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:55 pm

Van wrote:Or, we could just pair #1 Ohio St in the Rose with whoever's the #4 team while #2 Florida hosts #3 Michigan in the Sugar.

The two winners play each other one week later, it's then a done deal and nobody has a complaint worth voicing. There'd be a bit of a squabble over who should get #4 but really, tough shit. You're lucky we even changed the system enough to give you an argument 'cause in any other year the #4 slot is out of the loop completely anyway.

Go ahead, say it. Say that LSU would be the #4 team, you know its the truth.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:26 pm

Shoalzie wrote:I want to see teams fight it out on the field.

You mean like Michigan and OSU did?

it would at least get a team like Boise State in the mix.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither are D1 football programs, although under your scenario(s), any johnny-come-lately should get a poke.

Games are generally scheduled well in advance, but I'm sure in light of the developements of the last few years, Boise State now knows they need to do A LOT more OOC to offset their powderpuff conference schedule, which is impressive to exactly nobody-with-a-brain.

Same goes for the perrenial powerhouses from the other shit conferences -- if you think you "deserve" something, then step to the plate and TAKE it. To BE the best, you must BEAT the best. And getting fat on a steady diet of WAC teams, while trying to schedule one game with a mediocre team from a major conference shows no commitment to doing so.

So fuck'em. Giving Boise State a crack at the Big Show makes a complete mockery out of teams that actually try and schedule for a shit.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:56 pm

GeauxMT wrote:
Van wrote:Or, we could just pair #1 Ohio St in the Rose with whoever's the #4 team while #2 Florida hosts #3 Michigan in the Sugar.

The two winners play each other one week later, it's then a done deal and nobody has a complaint worth voicing. There'd be a bit of a squabble over who should get #4 but really, tough shit. You're lucky we even changed the system enough to give you an argument 'cause in any other year the #4 slot is out of the loop completely anyway.
Go ahead, say it. Say that LSU would be the #4 team, you know its the truth.

Tough call...

LSU, Auburn, OU and USC representing the two loss contingent, with Wisconsin and Louisville representing the one loss contingent...

I'd instantly throw out two loss WVU, Rutgers and ND because they simply don't rate compared to the other two loss teams and I'd instantly throw out both Wisconsin and Louisville because neither team accomplished anything this season other than to roll through laughable schedules.

Boise St. There. I said their name...but that's all the mention they're going to get in any Plus One discussion. Nice season, Broncos, now run along and go outside and play.

To me, #4 comes down to LSU, Auburn, OU and USC...

I'll throw out USC from that group. That UCLA loss was horrible. Last game of the season, a berth in the national title game at stake and it's their cross town rival. No fucking way they lose that game. If somebody had told ANY of us that UCLA was only going to score 13 in that game we ALL would've had USC winning by at least two TDs. Yep, there's no third chance for USC this season, not after two close but still very bad losses, the last one coming in the season finale. No soup for USC.

LSU, Auburn and OU? Damn. All my heart tells me LSU is better than Auburn. They're ranked higher (which means nothing when we're talking SEC teams) and I just think they're better, primarily because of JaMarcus Russell. While both teams have great D's (LSU's is better though) LSU at least has a little bit of offense now due to how well Russell has progressed this season. Auburn has nothing on offense.

Big problem there though. LSU only owns Quality Wins against Tennessee and Arkansas while Auburn owns Quality Wins over #2 Florida (in part due to a bad call by the refs) and a head to head win over #5 LSU (almost completely due to bad calls by the refs...Man, those refs sure do make it tough for fellow SEC teams to beat Auburn in Jordan-Hare!)

On the flip side though, fuck, both of Auburn's losses were horrible! Routed at home by Arkansas and routed at home by Georgia.

How are we supposed to decide between those two? Logic says to give it to Auburn since they own the head to head win so dammit, even though I think LSU is better I'm going to have to give Auburn the nod there.

So, now it's down to Auburn vs OU. Hmmm. OU got fucked by the refs in Eugene but still OU choked in Eugene. They still should've prevented Oregon from scoring...multiple times. The Texas loss, that one hurt. OU didn't get rolled or anything but still Texas was no great shakes this year. Anybody with a passing game was going to hang at least thirty on Texas this year and UT's offense was pretty vanilla too.

What's OU got for Quality Wins? Nebraska and A&M, and that's it. Both teams are only slightly better than average. Even if OU gets that win over Oregon they still didn't beat very many good teams this season. Then again, Auburn easily could've (should've?) suffered four losses this season.

I'm going with OU there.

One problem though, again...

I still think LSU is better than OU. Fuck it. I have the call here, right? They're all flawed teams. I'm going to look at it this way: LSU is a couple of fucked calls away from beating Auburn and making this an easy choice from all these teams. My gut tells me LSU is the most dangerous team here and likely the best team here too. So, even though logic says I gotta go with Auburn over LSU I'm going to say no on that one and when all is said and done, yeah...

Go ahead, say it. Say that LSU would be the #4 team, you know its the truth.

...I agree. I'd pair LSU and Ohio St in the Rose to go with Florida and Michigan in the Sugar. Hell, like I'm always saying, the argument for #4 doesn't really matter all that much to me anyway since they'd never have a claim in any other year. Whichever team wins that argument, whichever teams lose that argument, hey, they should all feel fortunate that there's even a slot available for them to argue over this year...

In the Rose Bowl OSU beats LSU by about ten. OSU just has too many weapons on offense and LSU can't keep pace.

In the Sugar Bowl both defenses dominate in a conservatively played and rather boring game but late in the game Chris Leak makes a couple of big plays to help Florida barely outlast Michigan.

OSU, sharp again after playing the Rose Bowl, comes out firing on all cylinders in the title game. Chris Leak attempts to force the action and it leads to a big mistake or two and OSU capitalizes to open up a comfortable lead. OSU goes into cruise control and Florida mounts a valiant late stage comeback but OSU responds by putting together one final crushing drive to snuff out any remaining Florida hopes and OSU goes on to win by win by 13.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:20 pm

Van wrote:OU got fucked by the refs in Eugene but still OU choked in Eugene. They still should've prevented Oregon from scoring...multiple times.

No, they didn't.

Oregon almost got screwed by the refs, though.

OU OBVIOUSLY gave the refs some cash before the game, and when Phil figured this out, he had a talk with them before the 4th quarter, and outbid OU.

But really, OU should have been able to score a lot more touchddowns, what with the refs letting the OU o-linemen use shackles and chains on Oregon's d-line all game. The most flagrant holding offenses I've ever seen in a game, yet they weren't called against OU...Hmmm.....

Please don't let time completely skew what happened in that game -- which was an officiating travesty, no doubt, but at least the final travesty ensured the CORRECT result of the game.

Throw a few well-deserved holding flags on OU, and that game is a blowout in Oregon's favor.

But hey, don't let FACTS get in the way of a good bitchfest(that's been going on about two months too long).

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:43 am

Holding penalties that go uncalled get lost in the grand karmic wash of football. They happen on every down and nobody ever really calls it a "controversial win" due to questionable uncalled holding calls.

Now, phantom holding calls, yeah, those things get brought up from time to time. TDs that were called back due to calls where the guy called for the hold in question was literally thirty yards away from his man and enjoying a cool, refreshing drink, those tend to rankle.

True "We got fucked!!" games?

-The Tuck Rule

-Vinnie Testaverde getting stopped two yards short of the goal line

-Nebraska vs Mizzou, and the kicked ball, leading to a Nebraska national title

-'02 Orange bowl...Ten minutes late P.I. call on Miami.

-Drew Pearson in the old Met, blatantly pushing off on the Minnesota DB, only to have the DB get called for the P.I. (That one was cool because it featured the offending ref getting conked on the head by a thrown beer bottle following the game.)

-'02 Western Conference Finals, Kings-Lakers. (Doug Christie and Mike Bibby BOTH get fouls called on them for the egregious act of smashing Kobe's wildly swinging elbow with their startled grills.)

-'06 OU-OU, The Onsides Kick/Subsequent Pass Interference Game.

Sorry, Dins, but that game will forever go down in Football Lore as a royal fucking by the refs, with Oklahoma being on the receiving end, not Oregon. Nonetheless, Oklahoma gets no sympathy from me, not when they gave up nine thousand yards and they still had ample opportunity to prevent either/both of Oregon's final two scores.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:28 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:I want to see teams fight it out on the field.
You mean like Michigan and OSU did?

You're not getting any argument from me about that...that proved to be an elimination game. It can be argued though that Michigan is still the 2nd best team in the country but since Florida is the next best team, they get a crack at them in Glendale. Michigan may have lost to Ohio State but they could still be better than everyone else. They could have just the one loss to the Buckeyes and still be the #2 team in the country. The one thing loss definitely proved was that Michigan isn't better than Ohio State but it didn't prove Florida is better than Michigan. The voting habits of the pollsters are to be scrutinized when they could've easily dropped Michigan down from #2 after the Ohio State game but they must've thought they were still the second best team in the nation after that game. Somehow, they became the third best team without playing another game.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:14 am

Shoalzie wrote:I would like to see the small conferences send their regular season champs to the big dance too but that idea isn't exactly going over too well in here.

I'm okay with that, but only in a 16-team format. I'm kind of wishy-washy as to the specifics myself but I prefer at least a 12-team format.

- 12 team format with 7 automatic bids (6 BCS conferences + highest-ranked non-BCS conference team) and 5 at-large bids; or
- 16 team format with 7 automatic bids (same as above) and 9 at-large bids; or
- 16 team format with 11 automatic bids (one for each conference champion) and 5 at-large bids.

Up the limit of at-large bids to maximum of two per conference. If necessary, adjust seedings so that there are no matchups involving regular-season rematches, or conference rivals (regardless of whether they faced each other in the regular season) in the first round, or in the second round unless one of the teams involved in the matchup in question was the lower-seeded team in the first round.

One of the few interesting things the bowl season provides is the type of OOC matchups you're not likely to see in the regular season. Putting more teams into the playoff allows you to retain that aspect of it. Also, since we know there's no way the postseason will be cut down to the point that any of the Top 16 teams won't be playing, I'd prefer that those teams all play in a game that has some bearing on the national championship.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:18 am

Shoalzie wrote:The voting habits of the pollsters are to be scrutinized when they could've easily dropped Michigan down from #2 after the Ohio State game but they must've thought they were still the second best team in the nation after that game. Somehow, they became the third best team without playing another game.

Right. It's no mystery either how they "somehow" became the third best team without playing another game. It's perfectly logical. Their hand was laid on the table. They had no more cards to draw with which to strengthen their hand.

THEY didn't play another game but Florida played TWO more games. Florida drew two more cards. With those two new cards Florida was able to increase their standing in the eyes of the BCS voters. They ended up with the better hand once all the cards were laid on the table.

See, the world doesn't stop turning once Michigan completes their regular season schedule. There are still other teams out there who need to finish their regular season schedules before the BCS can finally put together their final rankings. Why people seem to sincerely wonder how Michigan could possibly get leapfrogged without playing a game, man, how can people not grasp such a simple concept??

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:27 am

Shoalz - Just because your team didn't win its own conference, doesn't mean UF shouldn't be rewarded for winning theirs.

Douche.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:35 am

Mgo wrote:Douche.

Now, that was rather untoward!

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:41 am

Schotz....

"Body of work."

"Clubhouse leader."

"Finish dealing the poker hand before the pair of jacks gets to scoop up the pot."

Does any of this mean anything to you?

You are one dense reject.

I'm quite confident the cousinfucking in your family didn't start with your generation.

An idiot AND a whiner is no way to go through life, son.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:48 am

Van wrote:
Mgo wrote:Douche.
Now, that was rather untoward!

Not really. I've been calling our resident CousinCrooner names like douche, dipshit, idiot, moron, etc., for quite awhile now. He takes it pretty well. And if the day comes I'm back in his neck of the woods, and we have that beer we once discussed, I'll say the same things to his face.

All in jest, of course.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:59 am

I missed the whole episode behind all this "cousin kisser" stuff directed at Shoalzie by you and Dins. Sounds like I missed a Filthy McNasty level funny story there...

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:40 am

His story pretty much sucked.

But after coming on here and telling us how his relatives were trying to set him up with his cousin, the ensuing pile-on...

Priceless. Ensconced in boardlore for eternity.

Husker4ever · Post by **Husker4ever** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:42 am

Mace wrote:
Van wrote:It's the least drastic change possible and it also preserves the current bowl system better than any other proposed method so Plus One really should receive the least resistance from TPTB...
Yes, it should, but why the hell hasn't something like this been adopted? Oh wait.....MONEY. Not too many fans will be able to follow their respective school on consecutive weekends to a bowl site, schools would only have a week to prepare their "bowl packages" to sell the trip to the finals, and....who knows how many other money related reasons they would come up with to resist the idea. I'm afraid that the bowl system has their teeth too firmly implanted into college football for either side to ever risk losing money. Currently, the rich get richer and the poor take the scraps and, except for the schools in competition for the final game, I don't think they collectively give a shit as long as they get a big pay check at the end of the year. I can only hope that I'm wrong.

I'm very familiar with the DIII playoffs, and DIAA, but when you're talking about Div I, you're talking too many millions of dollars to be lost.

Mace

Why couldn't you sell the championship ticket package to ALL FOUR teams' fans in advance? You reserve a ticket with a credit or debit visa upfront. Your team loses? No obligation. Your team makes it? The transaction is ran through and you're on your way the following week.

The only problem I see with this is people having to schedule vacation in advance. But fuck it, my team makes it to the title game and I'm going. I'll call in sick and attend with a disguise if need be. I think most people could get time off a week in advance though.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:49 am

Dinsdale wrote:His story pretty much sucked.

But after coming on here and telling us how his relatives were trying to set him up with his cousin, the ensuing pile-on...

Priceless. Ensconced in boardlore for eternity.

You could've just gave him the link to the thread in the archives...I'm assuming it's still there.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:49 am

Shoalzie, hook me up! (With the link, not your cousin.)

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:56 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Shoalz - Just because your team didn't win its own conference, doesn't mean UF shouldn't be rewarded for winning theirs.

Douche.

Did I say Florida didn't deserve to be there? I'm just saying that Florida is not the undisputed #2 team in the country. Forget that Michigan was the team missing out...I fully acknowledge that loss in Columbus as being their chance at making it to Glendale. I know it's fun to kick me around but I'm not arguing with anyone here about Florida shouldn't be there. If anyone other than Michigan deserved to be in that game, it's definitely Florida. I was even talking about Florida a couple weeks ago even when USC was #2. I'm not giving the typical reaction from most MichiganFans that is short-sighted and irrational. It's much easier to make a case for a team that has the same record as another and that one team won their conference. That fact alone left me reserved to the fact that Michigan's goose was cooked in the matter. They need both USC and Florida to lose Saturday to get to Glendale and it didn't happen.

Husker4ever · Post by **Husker4ever** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:56 am

Mace wrote:
Why couldn't you sell the championship ticket package to ALL FOUR teams' fans in advance? You reserve a ticket with a credit or debit visa upfront. Your team loses? No obligation. Your team makes it? The transaction is ran through and you're on your way the following week.

The only problem I see with this is people having to schedule vacation in advance. But fuck it, my team makes it to the title game and I'm going. I'll call in sick and attend with a disguise if need be. I think most people could get time off a week in advance though.
Well, you could do that, assuming that your fan base actually had the cash to take two vacations on consecutive weekends, especially if your first game is in the Rose Bowl and the Championship is being played in the Orange. I think you'd be restricting a lot of people who would be happy to travel for one bowl game but can't afford both.

Mace

Good point. How about rolling the title game back a week? That extra week might help pick up some more ticket sales should there be any leftover tickets or sales to those who didn't want to commit in advance of the semi-finals?

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:57 am

Van wrote:Shoalzie, hook me up! (With the link, not your cousin.)

viewtopic.php?t=13301

Enjoy!

Just from my perspective, a lot of the crew here have taken liberties with that little question I asked that faithful day in mid-January. I simply asked a question to the board that seemed unusual to many and then the fun ensued. I'll let you judge for yourself though...

I have been getting reports on what's become of her. I heard she's dating some friend of one of her other cousin's (blood-relative) and the dude is jobless and from what I hear, kind of a loser. This is where you're supposed to say...how would that be different from you, Shoalzie? And then I'd say, I'm currently dating someone at the moment and I do have a steady career. I'm doing just fine, thank you.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:05 am

Shoalzie wrote:I'm currently dating someone at the moment

Pics?

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:06 am

RadioFan wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:I'm currently dating someone at the moment
Pics?

Nope

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:10 am

Shoalzie wrote:
Did I say Florida didn't deserve to be there?

So, see if I've got this right...

your entire lengthy whinefest has been because the pollsters gave Michigan the benefit of the doubt, and had them ranked #2 because of a greater body of work at the time?

Dude, do you bitch like this when you get a blowjob from your cousin?

Shoalzie wrote:I'm currently dating someone at the moment

Say hi to your sister for me.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:12 am

Shoalzie wrote:I'm doing just fine, thank you.

You lust after your cousins, bitch like a menopausal woman, and root for Michigan.

Clearly, your definition of "fine" is much different from mine.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:16 am

Dinsdale wrote:Say hi to your sister for me.

That was predictable...or should I say predictable.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:31 am

Dinsdale wrote:bitch like a menopausal woman, and root for Michigan.

You can't honestly believe I've bitch about Michigan not getting to play in the first annual Tostitos Glendale Football Fiesta as much as some of the other WolverineFans on the board...not to knife my own but I think I fall on the side of reserved acceptance on the matter. Of all the things going on in college football, that fact probably bothers me the least and I'm not losing any sleep over it because Florida deserves to be there. Yes, Florida deserves to be there. Do I have to say it enough?

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:40 am

Shoalzie wrote:
Van wrote: Shoalzie, hook me up! (With the link, not your cousin.)

viewtopic.php?t=13301

Enjoy!

Un...beevable.

First off, Bace kicked serious ass in that thread. Mgo and Ucan't too...

Killer thread.

Still...

Dude...

Are you Mormon or something? You sound like the nicest fuggen guy on planet earth. Actually, come to think of it, Pillow Pants, you sound exactly like...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WMzSQjcvOrM

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:18 pm

If you want to make fun of me for being nice but it beats being labeled as a heartless bastard. I preach what I post...what you read is what you get.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:30 pm

So, what was the final outcome with that deal Shoalzie?

First base? Second base? Just kept warming up in the clubhouse in case you got called to pinch hit? What?

And dammit, where are the pics???

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:37 pm

Shoalzie wrote:I preach what I post...

You preach whining, stupidity, and incest?

WHOA!

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:47 pm

Dinsdale wrote: WHOA!

What a shocker to finally find out that it’s been you running the SmallCock troll.

Kansas City Kid · Post by **Kansas City Kid** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:24 pm

32 bowls - 64 teams

Make it a giant tourney like MARCH MADNESS and let them all fight it out until late February. I'm rooting for a Middle Tennesse State or some other shit team from the Papajohns.com Bowl to be a Cinderella story, go on a big run and win it all!!!
:D

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:15 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:I preach what I post...

You preach whining, stupidity, and incest?

WHOA!

You're a funny funny fella...Happy Holidays to you and yours!

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:26 pm

Van wrote:So, what was the final outcome with that deal Shoalzie?

First base? Second base? Just kept warming up in the clubhouse in case you got called to pinch hit? What?

And dammit, where are the pics???

I met her very briefly at a graduation party back in the spring and I was able to say no more than two words to her when I was introduced to her. She seemed nice but between my previous reservations about the whole situation and the fact I didn't know how to approach this sort of a deal...I backed out of wanting to pursue it any further. So take all of the cousin-fucking, cousin-lust, cousin-kissing smack with a grain of salt...it never went any further with it than a simple introduction.

As for pictures, the only one I had of her was lost when my computer crashed after a power outage. I wouldn't post it anyways out of fairness to her.