Why would Bush even acknowledge Kwanzaa?

[BSmack]

If I have my way, you fukkers will be on your knees worshiping a giant can of Hamm's.

I tried that in college. It led to worshiping a god made of porcelain.

[Uncle Fester]

You must have angered Hammza.

[Dinsdale]

And Dinsy, comparing the Confederate flag to Kwanzaa is rid-got damn-diculous. That you would compare a fictional holiday with something that is far more personal to both its detractors and its advocates is fucking stupid.

Yes and no.

Obviously, the scope oif the two isn't in the same area code.

BUT...you response shows exactly wherein the problem lies -- you, for yourself, state that it "is far more personal to both its detractors and its advocates." While this statement is almost assuredly true, it begs a question -- who the fuck put you in charge of deciding?

THAT'S the problem. "African Americans" put themselves on a pedestal and have appointed themselves the arbiters of right and wrong.

Whether the local "African American" communities choose to invite white people to participate in "their" celebrations or not(they do), only an idiot would dispute that it creates an atmosphere of separation, or an "us vs. them" mentality.

And futhermore, every "celebration" by the "African Americans" is essentially delivering the same message, one which our society attempts to ingrain in children's head -- that white children are born into a state of owing for some sins of the father(which I realize is a centuries-old tribal-African tradition).

I have a big problem with kwanzaa. And not for the reasons you probably think. I believe black Americans couldn't be shooting themselves in the foot any worse. Having a "black" holiday(or two) creates an atmospere of saparatism. Everything about it speaks to "we're different from them." "African American" "leaders" constantly harp on about equality, and integration, and a host of other bullshit, then out of the other side of their mouth spew on about kwanzaa anb other separatist bullshit.

You can't have it both ways. Not today, not tomorrow, and not 100 years from now.

THAT'S my problem. You can't have your cake and eat it too. We can't all exist as one people, when a large segment of those people only believe in the concept when it's convenient or profitable. That will NEVER help, and the only result of it will be to drive a wedge further between the two.

Did blacks get a raw deal in this country's early history? Obviously, only a braindead fucktard would deny it. But in the days of African-based slavery around the globe, one of history's constants showed its face as always -- the strong take advantage of the weak. Always been that way, and always will be. There's plenty of other peoples who had some pretty nasty experiences at the hands of a more technologically advanced or better organized oppressors...just ask European Jews. They've moved on-btw.

You weren't a slave. Your parents weren't slaves. Your grandparents weren't slaves. You've never in your entire life even met anyone who was a slave.

Other side of the coin, I'm not a slave owner. My parents weren't slave owners. I've never met anyone who was (well, there was that one freaky couple out front of some club, but we got in a brawl).


How many generations is it going to take before we can move on? Two more? Five? And save the "when the white people do this and that..." You can't control the actions of others any better than I can. You can control your own. As much "nog" crap as I spew on this board, trust me -- it's for æffect. My interest is in this country constantly improving. And hyaving one segment of our society constantly rubbing some shit that happened 140 years ago into another segment's face on a CONSTANT basis is NEVER going to be consistant with those goals. And furthermore, I believe that anyone with a lick of common sense understands this. Yet if common sense dictates otherwise, what is the motivation of someone doing the opposite?


This truly is the Great American Melting Pot. Yet, there's a segment of society that's quite resistant to "melting." Why is that?



Just some food for thought.


Happy holidays, Vic. And I'm still trying to block the memory of that fateful evening when my crotch took on an African American hue.

[Moving Sale]

BUT...you response shows exactly wherein the problem lies -- you, for yourself, state that it "is far more personal to both its detractors and its advocates." While this statement is almost assuredly true, it begs a question -- who the fuck put you in charge of deciding?

THAT'S the problem. "African Americans" put themselves on a pedestal and have appointed themselves the arbiters of right and wrong.

It is wrong to compare the CF to Kwanza.

Now shut your ignant cockhole.

[Dinsdale]

It is wrong to compare the CF to Kwanza.

And there you have it -- another example of other people deciding what is and isn't offensive to other people.

I have every bit as much right to be offended by the whole "sins of the father" mentality behind kwanzaa as anyone else has to be offended by the CF.

You know...that whole "equality" thing?

The very nature of the argument you're making is KYOA.

I'LL decide...for myself...what I am and am not offended by, thank you very much.

[PSUFAN]

huzzah! Dinsdale is NAILS for Christmas!

[Moving Sale]

I'LL decide...for myself...what I am and am not offended by, thank you very much.

I know you will, because you are a dumbfuck.

Somethings are wrong, like comparing the CF to Kwanza.

Not my fault you are too stupid to realize that.

[Dinsdale]

Not my fault you are too stupid to realize that.

Just like I'm "too stupid" to decide for myself what is and isn't offensive, right?

Meaning I need a bunch of do-good liberals to decide for me. Because their entire rationale is based upon some people being better suited to make other people's decisions for them than those people themselves...

Brilliant example of "equality" and "freedom" working there. Sounds downright "opressive," actually.


JSC is pretty much $$$ on the subject-btw.

[Tom In VA]

I suspect many blacks likewise would be offended if people celebrated a 'white' holiday.

Like Christmas ?

[Dinsdale]

I suspect many blacks likewise would be offended if people celebrated a 'white' holiday.

Like Christmas ?

Oh, I didn't realize christianity was no longer the predominant religion among "African Americans."

[Moving Sale]

But to many, that flag doesn't have anything to do with race.

Name one person, who is not a dumbfuck, who thinks that flag (BTW- I mean Beauregard's Battle flag when I say the 'CF') has nothing to do with race.

And yes I know of General Beauregard's post war stance on the newly freed slaves.

[Moving Sale]

Somethings are wrong, like comparing the CF to Kwanza.

Says who?

Not you you Racist fuck.

[RadioFan]

I suspect many blacks likewise would be offended if people celebrated a 'white' holiday.

Like Christmas ?

Oh, I didn't realize christianity was no longer the predominant religion among "African Americans."

I believe Tom was making a funnay off the weather, not whether aspect of the holiday.

[Moving Sale]

Brilliant example of "equality" and "freedom" working there. Sounds downright "opressive," actually.

What do "do-good liberals" have to do with this? (Nice Strawman)
I'm not saying you can't think it or say it. (Nice Strawman)

I'm saying you are wrong.

Dumbass.

[PSUFAN]

Somethings are wrong, like comparing the CF to Kwanza.

Not my fault you are too stupid to realize that.

I'll never tire of this stuff. Yet another midget steps up to the plate to serve as a tee.

As you utterly mar the English language, you might want to be a smidgen reluctant to dish out "you're stupid" smack. Of course, then, it hardly really matters...we all know you're a halfwit - or due to your size, a quarterwit.

Moreover, let me once again observe that any client unlucky enough to engage your services is going to end up :woefulfacepalm: a good bit.

[Tom In VA]

I suspect many blacks likewise would be offended if people celebrated a 'white' holiday.

Like Christmas ?

Oh, I didn't realize christianity was no longer the predominant religion among "African Americans."

Just following the circle here Dins, the dude who invented Kwanzaa

"He later stated, "...it was chosen to give a Black alternative to the existing holiday and give Blacks an opportunity to celebrate themselves and history, rather than simply imitate the practice of the dominant society."

Obviously he was offended by Christianity and Christmas being forced on him by White Society.


So let me ask.


Who the fuck do you think YOU are to tell this dude he shouldn't be offended.


He had an idea, developed it, and I suppose he's making money of it, I don't know. Instead of sitting around crying like a pussy, why don't you do the same thing.

Maybe an all white holiday. I worked three years for the UNCF and white fuckers like you would always be "Why can't I start a college fund for white people".

Why don't you ?

The answer is simple, you really don't mind that much and you really don't give a shit. You just like to sound off about race here because it's "safe" and you can't in "mixed" company.

Cowards.

[Dinsdale]

MS -- you might want to think this through a little better.

You're defending kwanzaa, and belittling those who might be offended by it. You're also throwing the "racist" label around (ad nauseum).


Kwanzaa is a holiday designed for people of a specific race. By its very nature, it's "racist." It is prejudicially geared to those of a certain race...which is the definition of "racism."


Yet here you are, casting stones at those offended by...racism. And how do you do this?

This is where it gets really good...

By calling them "racists."

Fucking priceless.


Why do you hate black people? Everything you ever post about on the subject promotes a separatist policy towards "African Americans," which is the #1 problem with "race relations" in this country. You're part of the problem, not the solution.

[Invictus]

This truly is the Great American Melting Pot. Yet, there's a segment of society that's quite resistant to "melting." Why is that?

Just some food for thought.

Happy holidays, Vic. And I'm still trying to block the memory of that fateful evening when my crotch took on an African American hue.

I had a well thought out, intellectual response to you Pirahna but who gives a fuck? Maybe I'll print it when this type of thread comes up ONCE AGAIN in, oh say a week or two.

Oh no, motherfucker, not today. I must have satisfaction. You will tell me about that skank before the year is out because you are a man of your word. Don't bitch up on me now. If that cow didn't wipe her ass (how drunk were you to not notice/ignore the putrid aroma coming from twixt her nether cheeks...?) before you fucked her, don't get all squeamish on me now. Your story, while possibly more wretched than others, still needs to told, if only to serve as a lesson to all other hoggers: keep some aloe wipes in the car just in case.

[Tom In VA]

Why do you hate black people? Everything you ever post about on the subject promotes a separatist policy towards "African Americans," which is the #1 problem with "race relations" in this country. You're part of the problem, not the solution.

Bullshit the number 1 problem with "race relations" is people. That's it. People "balkanize" themselves no matter what. Race is just a common and easily visible means by which to do so.

[Dinsdale]

Who the fuck do you think YOU are to tell this dude he shouldn't be offended.

I've never said he should or shouldn't be. I just believe people like him and MS, who think the best way to combat racism is with racism, are fucking idiots.


And here's the catch -- I didn't start it...he did. If someone is engaging in racism, you're darn well right I'm going to speak out against that person.

It's just that the "warriors" on one side of the battle have used propaganda to brainwash the masses into accepting the deplorable behavior of their side, while being repulsed by similar behavior of the other side.

I guess because putting innocent people on the hook for things their great-great-great-great-great grandfather did is a tradition that many African cultures embrace. And what a fine addition to American culture that "contribution" is.

[Moving Sale]

As you utterly mar the English language...

Top notch smack fuckstain.

[Tom In VA]

Who the fuck do you think YOU are to tell this dude he shouldn't be offended.

I've never said he should or shouldn't be. I just believe people like him and MS, who think the best way to combat racism is with racism, are fucking idiots.

Good thinking.

It's just that the "warriors" on one side of the battle have used propaganda to brainwash the masses into accepting the deplorable behavior of their side, while being repulsed by similar behavior of the other side.

So what do we do and is combatting 7 days of celebrating some decent human virtues where we start ?

* Umoja (Unity) To strive for and maintain unity in the family, community, nation and race.
* Kujichagulia (Self-Determination) To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves.
* Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility) To build and maintain our community together and make our brothers' and sisters' problems our problems and to solve them together.
* Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics) To build and maintain our own stores, shops and other businesses and to profit from them together.
* Nia (Purpose) To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness.
* Kuumba (Creativity) To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.
* Imani (Faith) To believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders and the righteousness and victory of our struggle.

I guess because putting innocent people on the hook for things their great-great-great-great-great grandfather did is a tradition that many African cultures embrace. And what a fine addition to American culture that "contribution" is.

Vendetta is nothing new and it hasn't been limited to blacks. The world's history is rife with it, hey look in Iraq right now.


Hey I feel your pain Dinsixote, and I'd be honored to change your horse's shoes and water him from time to time. But it just seems to me Kwanzaa is a silly thing to get up in arms about.

[Goober McTuber]

This truly is the Great American Melting Pot. Yet, there's a segment of society that's quite resistant to "melting." Why is that?

Just some food for thought.

Happy holidays, Vic. And I'm still trying to block the memory of that fateful evening when my crotch took on an African American hue.

I had a well thought out, intellectual response to you Pirahna but who gives a fuck? Maybe I'll print it when this type of thread comes up ONCE AGAIN in, oh say a week or two.

Oh no, motherfucker, not today. I must have satisfaction. You will tell me about that skank before the year is out because you are a man of your word. Don't bitch up on me now. If that cow didn't wipe her ass (how drunk were you to not notice/ignore the putrid aroma coming from twixt her nether cheeks...?) before you fucked her, don't get all squeamish on me now. Your story, while possibly more wretched than others, still needs to told, if only to serve as a lesson to all other hoggers: keep some aloe wipes in the car just in case.

I agree, Vic. I’m guessing that the bitch had the squirts, and Dinsy’s little willie broke the seal. I want to hear the story, and I will reserve the right to be offended by it.

[Tom In VA]

People "balkanize" themselves no matter what. Race is just a common and easily visible means by which to do so.

People in this country used to celebrate our common American heritage whereas now we make a point of celebrating and entrenching our differences and our society is inarguably weaker as a result.

People strived to become acknowledged as "American" rather than be associated with their ethnic origins. But the vast majority of them, in the East at least, faced prejudice and disdain from within "opposing" ethnic groups. Crap I can remember being in Jersey in the late 70's or early 80's when they won the World Cup then, you would thought the whole town was Italy with the number of Italian flags flying.

We have Hibernian societies, here, Oktoberfests, etc... etc...

[Tom In VA]

I hate to ignore the good that must be going on somewhere, so where can I see evidence of these ideals being acted upon?

I wish I could take you to where I used to work. Some damn fine folks there. The account manager, literally, grew up having to walk over dead alcoholics / junkies after school on her way home.


She is an inspirational women. I consider myself very lucky and fortunate to have the experience I've had, sometimes, people perhaps like you only get to interact with black folks ..... watching the news or the t.v. It's sad.

[Moving Sale]

You're defending kwanzaa, and belittling those who might be offended by it.

Learn to read you drunken fuck. I am not defending it from anything except a comparison to the CF. Be offended by it if you like. Just don't tell me it is comparable to the CF.

You're also throwing the "racist" label around (ad nauseum).

I called mvskkkal a racist cause he is. How is that ad nauseum? Lie much?

Kwanzaa is a holiday designed for people of a specific race.

Bully for them.

By its very nature, it's "racist." It is prejudicially geared to those of a certain race...which is the definition of "racism."

That is not the definition of racism you wacked-out fuck. Racism is rooted in the belief that your race is better than another race (as in master/slave) not that you want a holiday.
By it’s very nature the CF promote the denigration of a race. That is wholly different that something that promotes a race.

Yet here you are, casting stones at those offended by...racism. And how do you do this?

And when did you stop buttfucking the 12yo neighbor boy?

Dolt.

Everything you ever post about on the subject promotes a separatist policy towards "African Americans," which is the #1 problem with "race relations" in this country. You're part of the problem, not the solution.

What? Mtool write that for you?

Please pull your head out of your ass before you post again. Thanks.

[PSUFAN]

As you utterly mar the English language...

Top notch smack fuckstain.

What else are we to smack you with? You offer no other smackholds. The content of your posts is so mind-numbingly inane, only Sissyroux might take serious umbrage.

[Tom In VA]

People strived to become acknowledged as "American" rather than be associated with their ethnic origins.

Now they just don't give a fuck and we can't even present a united front against the Muslim shitstains who killed 3,000 Americans.

Not as much as it seems. At least, that's my hope.

[Bizzarofelice]

Name one person, who is not a dumbfuck

To many in the US South...

He said name someone who isn't a dumbfuck. US South ain't populated with Rhodes scholars, let alone high school graduates.

[Moving Sale]

As you utterly mar the English language...

Top notch smack fuckstain.

What else are we to smack you with? You offer no other smackholds. The content of your posts is so mind-numbingly inane, only Sissyroux might take serious umbrage.

That's right the CF is a proud symbol of all you stand for. We get it now STFU or bring more this vapid crap.

[Moving Sale]

He said name someone who isn't a dumbfuck.

Hey that was my line.

[Terry in Crapchester]

We're offended by a guy making up his own holiday that actually semi catches on? That's too cool. If I could concoct a holiday and people actually did all kindsa ritualistic bullshit...how cool would that be?!

Christ, y'all! WTF?!?!

What he said.

Sin,

[Goober McTuber]

Name one person, who is not a dumbfuck

To many in the US South...

He said name someone who isn't a dumbfuck. US South ain't populated with Rhodes scholars

Road scholars?

[Tom In VA]

I've always respected your opinions, even when we disagreed, but this: people perhaps like you only get to interact with black folks ..... watching the news or the t.v. It's sad. is bullshit.

So you ignored the word "perhaps".

I work with lots of black people. Great black people. Why do you even have to preface people with black?

We worked together trying to help troubled kids, mostly black, straighten out their lives. I never once had a kid or another counselor suggest that my "whiteness" was a barrier to us achieving things. We did a helluva lot of good. DAMN! This is ridiculous. What a smartass thing to say. We weren't balck or white. We, the counselors and the kids, were people. I never even gave a thought to color. None of us did. You don't know shit about me...or my interaction with others...or who I've tried to help...or any other goddamn thing about my "interscting with black folks". Damn, man!

I see the black community destroying itself from within. I see the hatred for whites encouraged by some black leaders. I see people like Sharpton getting attention and respect, when he should be in prison for the Brawley case. Prominent faces like his doing more and more damage to blacks than I could ever do.

I work with blacks all day every day and we don't give a damn thought to each others' color. We discuss race if we want to...and we do it without name calling and screaming and the BS that flies in here and amongst people like Jackson and Sharpton and their ilk.

I simply asked if you knew anyone who truly bought into those ideals you posted. When I see neighborhoods built for blacks (at no cost to the tenants) destroyed within a year, I have to think they aren't many Kwanzaa followers living there. When I see the shit that goes down daily in my area, I don't think too many Kwanzaa observers are "getting theur race back to its traditional greatness".

Yeah, you ignored the word perhaps.

But thanks for the resume. So when will you print this and some of your posts out and discuss them at the water cooler ?

[Moving Sale]

Now they just don't give a fuck and we can't even present a united front against the Muslim shitstains who killed 3,000 Americans.

1) Try 6,000 assface.

2) That is because the people in your camp are braindead visceral fucktards. Why would anybody with more than two brain cells want to unite that?

BTW it was a rhetorical question you stupid Racist fuck.

[Moving Sale]

Wipe the shit off your chin and try again you stupid racist fucko.

[Tom In VA]

So anyone gonna tell me why someone would append "African" to "American" in describing themself?

Because they feel like it.

[OCmike]

Wipe the shit off your chin and try again you stupid racist fucko.

Actually, he strikes me as more of a xenophobe and a bigot than a racist.

[Tom In VA]

So anyone gonna tell me why someone would append "African" to "American" in describing themself?

Because they feel like it.

Got ya'.

Merry Christmas

Feeling's mutual BTW.

"I've always respected your opinions, even when we disagreed"

[Mississippi Neck]

Name one person, who is not a dumbfuck, who thinks that flag (BTW- I mean Beauregard's Battle flag when I say the 'CF') has nothing to do with race.

To many in the US South it is a symbol of their heritage and pride in their ancestors who held out during years of war under terrible odds and sacrifice.

Yes, I know it has a different meaning to other people. But not to "many in the US South".

Fuck those idiots who believe its a symbol of heritage and years of sacrifice. They're lying to themselves. We all know what it means.

As a born and (in)bred Southerner, my opinion is that the Confederate flag is definitely a symbol of racism and all that was wrong with the Old South. Its just wrong on many levels. First of all, it was used by the Confederacy in its struggle against the United States. Second, right or wrong, it has been taken over as a symbol of racism by virulent repugnant racists to the point that it is very offensive to many, both white and black.

My relatives fought and died for the Confederacy...but I am repelled by what they fought for. I don't fault the courage of their convictions or their sacrifices but I disassociate myself from the vile causes they fought for..

Just get rid of the damn flag and if you want to fly it, this son of the South says, you can kindly stick it up your ass.