Weis to the Giants?

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:03 pm

I doubt it, but this is the one job he would leave for:

BIG BANG THEORY FIT FOR BIG BLUE
By STEVE SERBY

December 26, 2006 -- How would you fix the Giants? Click the Discussion Board link below the photo to comment.

THE Giants made a mistake when they passed on Charlie Weis three years ago for Tom Coughlin.

At this crossroads in their storied history, they must not make that mistake again.

When the Giants begin cleaning their crumbling house, Plan A should be going after Weis the way Lawrence Taylor went after quarterbacks.

Plan B, if he is attainable, would be to lure Scott Pioli away from Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick, make him the next GM and tell him to go get Weis out of South Bend, which he would want to do anyway.

We know what kind of team Belichick and Pioli have been in New England because we have seen the Jets try to emulate the model by teaming Eric Mangini with Mike Tannenbaum, Woody Johnson's Generation Jets gambit that dramatically has the Jets closer to a championship than the woebegotten Giants.

Pioli and Weis would be the dynamic young team that the Giants desperately need after 16 years and counting without a championship.

Pioli would find the Giants the same kind of smart, tough, high character, team-first players that Mangini and Tannenbaum have started to find for the Jets.

Weis would be the closest thing to a young Bill Parcells, a tough, smart Jersey Guy disciplinarian and motivator who would have the best chance of anyone on the planet of saving Eli Manning, because Weis is a brilliant offensive mind with the interpersonal skills necessary to nurture and steady a developing young quarterback.

The fly in the ointment for Big Blue ownership could be the reported $15 million or so it would cost it to buy out Weis' contract, which runs through 2015, but nothing is impossible in this day and age.

If Weis decides to honor his reported commitment - the exception rather than the rule in sports - I would bet my bottom dollar that Pioli would find the best possible man for the job.

If the Giants promote Jerry Reese and/or Chris Mara to replace Ernie Accorsi, the coaching search should start and end with Weis.

I lobbied for Weis to replace Jim Fassel three years ago and feel even more convinced that he is the right man for the job after watching his work in South Bend.

The Giants were his dream job then, and the Giants would be his dream job now, maybe the only job that would lure him away from the dream job he has now.

Coughlin's biggest mistake might have been this: He put too many games in Manning's shaky hand when he should have let Tiki Barber carry the team.

It was unfair to Manning, probably stunted his growth, and opened up a can of worms for the sharks that never particularly cared for his aloof, old-school style.

The inmates began running the asylum immediately after the Carolina playoff disgrace and Coughlin, who was advertised by none other than Wellington Mara as Vince Lombardi, could never put a muzzle on the snipers.

He is a good coach, and don't believe for one second that the players he inherited from Fassel do not bear a good share of blame for this unsightly, unconscionable collapse.

But it appeared that Coughlin lost the team for good on New Year's Eve . . . and probably never really had it. Winning the division last year was the great deodorant.

If Coughlin fails to win a playoff game after three years, with a team expected to make a Super Bowl run in a conference reeking of mediocrity, then he will have proven to be the wrong coach at the wrong time for a franchise that was certain Stalag 17 was just what the doctor ordered to replace Gentleman Jim's Country Club. Stalag 17 turned into Ringling Bros. Barnum and Big Blue Circus, where the players stopped having fun under The Big Top.

The Giants interviewed four candidates to replace Fassel, and of the four - Weis, Lovie Smith, Romeo Crennel and Coughlin - their choice would now have to be considered no better than third.

Manning desperately needs a decisive, imaginative game planner like Weis, who worked wonders with Tom Brady and Brady Quinn.

"He sets the tone for every meeting, every practice, and he has since the day I got here," Brady said once.

Repeat after me: the young Parcells. We can even call him Charlie the Tuna. Get him, by hook or by crook.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:14 pm

nope. not gonna happen.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:23 pm

yeah, that's a Giant writer wish wish article.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:34 pm

I think both of you guys are right, but this is interesting, none the less. The one job that Weis said that he coveted was that of the NY Giants. That having been said, he's not leaving. But when he turns this down, it should put the final nail in the coffin of the "Weis to NFL" rumors.

It would be almost worth it for the comical value alone to watch Kevin White and his mangina exposed. I guarantee he doesn't even have a short list ready.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:46 pm

The Giants have a hard enough time winning big games...what is Weis going to do to help that?

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:51 pm

Shoalzie wrote:The Giants have a hard enough time winning big games...what is Weis going to do to help that?

Well for starters, he would actually have a defense to work with in NY. And he likely wouldn't have a dick bag DC, either. Which leads me to the fact if Weis doesn't make a change in his staff, I will seriously start to question some of his moves.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:56 pm

Until Weis has hung around for 10 years or so, there will always be NFL rumors. There's still the occasional Stoops rumor, but people are finally giving up on the rumors. Of course, many thought Spurrier was a lifer at Florida as well. At some point, maybe the ego gets to them.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:53 pm

Ego does get the best of a lot of coaches and if Weis experiences success at ND (a NC or two) I can see him getting restless and moving on. But with the situation with his daughter, I think he likes all the time he gets at home.

I still think Weis holds a grudge against most of the NFL for giving him the bird for so long. I think he would like to give it back for just as long, if not longer.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:31 am

Killian wrote:I think both of you guys are right, but this is interesting, none the less. The one job that Weis said that he coveted was that of the NY Giants. That having been said, he's not leaving. But when he turns this down, it should put the final nail in the coffin of the "Weis to NFL" rumors.

It would be almost worth it for the comical value alone to watch Kevin White and his mangina exposed. I guarantee he doesn't even have a short list ready.

if Weis had Bob Stoops agent, he'd prolly already have a raise by now. (i'm kidding, sort of). i do think Stoops will try the NFL at some point.....though i'm not sure how well he'll do. from watching the NFL pre-post game shows that seem to run endlessly, the NFL guys seem to protect "this league" pretty heavily....and consider college guys as the minor leaguers while they'll retread an NFL guy 3-5 times before he drops from the hiring pool.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:25 am

King Crimson wrote:yeah, that's a Giant writer wish wish article.

Well, either that or him trying to make a name for himself by starting some national talk. He'd like nothing more than to see an ESPN mention tomorrow. That's all this is.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:39 pm

King Crimson wrote: if Weis had Bob Stoops agent, he'd prolly already have a raise by now. (i'm kidding, sort of). i do think Stoops will try the NFL at some point.....though i'm not sure how well he'll do. from watching the NFL pre-post game shows that seem to run endlessly, the NFL guys seem to protect "this league" pretty heavily....and consider college guys as the minor leaguers while they'll retread an NFL guy 3-5 times before he drops from the hiring pool.

Bob LaMonte did a damn good job the first time around, getting Weis a 5 year extension after 7 games, upping his salary into the upper tier of college coaches and putting a pretty good poison pill in there for any perspective NFL teams.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:00 pm

Killian wrote:
King Crimson wrote: if Weis had Bob Stoops agent, he'd prolly already have a raise by now. (i'm kidding, sort of). i do think Stoops will try the NFL at some point.....though i'm not sure how well he'll do. from watching the NFL pre-post game shows that seem to run endlessly, the NFL guys seem to protect "this league" pretty heavily....and consider college guys as the minor leaguers while they'll retread an NFL guy 3-5 times before he drops from the hiring pool.
Bob LaMonte did a damn good job the first time around, getting Weis a 5 year extension after 7 games, upping his salary into the upper tier of college coaches and putting a pretty good poison pill in there for any perspective NFL teams.

i was making more of a joke about Stoopsie's guy, than about Weis.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:07 pm

I know. It seems like anytime Stoops was even brought up about an NFL job, even if it was in the Maine Star Ledger, he would get a raise. Weis's agent did a great job last year by reworking his contract. The poison pill is rumored to be around 15-20 million.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:27 pm

I've seen Weis on 60 Minutes and I also recently heard him on the radio pimping his book, No Excuses. Both times, he mentioned how the Notre Dame job allows him the flexibility to spend more time with his special needs (sup M2?) daughter, Hannah. He sounded geniune. Could have been total BS, but I doubt it. I wouldn't expose her to the circus known as the NY Media. The Giants? Add in the huge contract that already pays him more than your average NFL head coach. No way...

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:43 pm

Wouldn't Charlie be more likely to leave for the Patriots job someday than the Giants? Obviously Belichik isn't going anywhere now, but I'd think he'd rather wait for that job than the Giants job. But that Giants job is a great job. They need a good offensive mind. They have a lot of talent but Coughlin flat out lost his team this year. Charlie would be a great fit, but still, I'd think he'd much rather wait for the Patriots job to come open IF he does want to get back to the NFL.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:45 pm

Why would Weis go to the Giants when the Iowa job might be available?

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:46 pm

Why would you opt to live when you can just as easily off yourself???

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:10 pm

TheJON wrote:Why would you opt to live when you can just as easily off yourself???

Because he has a lot to live for. Check out Cicero and his future wife.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:00 pm

Future wife? I thought they already tied the knot?

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:05 pm

No, Crown just showed Cicero how he could tie a knot in a cherry stem with his tongue and later did the same to his balloon knot.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:09 pm

TheJON wrote:Wouldn't Charlie be more likely to leave for the Patriots job someday than the Giants? Obviously Belichik isn't going anywhere now, but I'd think he'd rather wait for that job than the Giants job. But that Giants job is a great job. They need a good offensive mind. They have a lot of talent but Coughlin flat out lost his team this year. Charlie would be a great fit, but still, I'd think he'd much rather wait for the Patriots job to come open IF he does want to get back to the NFL.

Because Weis got his start with the Giants, he's from Jersey, and the Giants are the team he grew up loving and wanting to coach. Just like Iowa for every other coach in the universe.

And now we have JON wanting two people on this board to off themselves. Extra-strength vagisil will take care of that rash, bro.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:30 pm

Come on K, leave the vag smack in the NFL Forum. I know we are discussing the NFL here with the Giants and all, but gushing meat curtain smack is for the simpletons over there.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:59 pm

Thanks for the suggestion, Killian.......

It was really starting to itch. Now it's all better.

You're a good doctor.