Big 12 folks...

420 · Post by **420** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:37 pm

By the end of the season...

...who do you feel was the best team in the conference?

Texas? OU? aTm? or Nebraska?

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:34 pm

420 wrote:By the end of the season...

...who do you feel was the best team in the conference?

Texas? OU? aTm? or Nebraska?

thought this debate was over?

420 · Post by **420** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:41 pm

Moby Dick wrote:
420 wrote:By the end of the season...

...who do you feel was the best team in the conference?

Texas? OU? aTm? or Nebraska?
thought this debate was over?

Yet they got rolled by Texas... who in the last game of the year lost to aTm.

Like I said... at the end of the season.

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:46 pm

if you wanna play the "this team got beat by that team and that team got beat by this team" game we can do that...

but we all know Oklahoma is (and will be at the end of the year) the best team in the Big XII.

by some fluke IF OU gets beat by Boise St. and Tejas takes care of Iowa and Nebraska beats Auburn...nebraska could have an argument...

but won't happen and OU will stay atop the BigXII.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:57 pm

Who was the second or third best team in the Pac 10?

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:11 pm

If it isn't obvious to everyone here, the tool is trying to make a case that A&M is the "best team right now" in the XII and that Kal is favored to win the Holiday Bowl played in their backyard against the "best team right now" in the XII.

In other words...pathetic attempt at baiting.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:33 pm

Oh, and the lead blocker for Lynched broke his arm and is out of the Holiday Bowl.

420 · Post by **420** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:52 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:If it isn't obvious to everyone here, the tool is trying to make a case that A&M is the "best team right now" in the XII and that Kal is favored to win the Holiday Bowl played in their backyard against the "best team right now" in the XII.

In other words...pathetic attempt at baiting.

Really?

I feel a & m should probably win this game after watching the Texas game.

After Cal was screwed by the officials in the Arizona game... it led to mediocre performances in the $C and Stanford game. Cal losing the last 2 of their 3 games. A&M has a very nice running game(which Cal has had a problem with this year), and a extremely solid D.

It was just a question I had been discussing with a friend who is an A&M fan yesterday.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:59 pm

Yeah, the officials lost the game for Cal. Not shitty play against a bad team.

As far as shitty officiating goes, why don't you mention that the Kal RB was moving forward when the ball was snapped on Jackson's long TD reception?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:12 pm

420 wrote:It was just a question I had been discussing with a friend

I call bullshit.

420 · Post by **420** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:12 pm

Killian wrote:Yeah, the officials lost the game for Cal. Not shitty play against a bad team.

You didn't watch the game... did you dipshit!

Killian wrote:As far as shitty officiating goes, why don't you mention that the Kal RB was moving forward when the ball was snapped on Jackson's long TD reception?

Link?

Jackson never caught a TD in the game, you fuckin' idiot!

Stick to doing with what you do best... jerking off!

You obviously know little about College Football other than Notre Shame.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:24 pm

Nope, I watched the highlights. So Cal didn't play like shit against an inferior team? Or was Arizona a better team?

And I don't have a link because I don't give two shits. I know you can find one, go back and watch it for yourself.

So, I guess this never happened?

California Golden Bears at 8:40
1-10-CA11 (8:25) Marshawn Lynch rushed for 13 yards.
1-10-CA24 (8:04) CA was penalized 5 yards.
1-15-CA19 (7:36) Nate Longshore passed to Justin Forsett for 21 yards.
1-20-CA39 (7:07) Nate Longshore passed to DeSean Jackson for 9 yards. CA was penalized 10 yards.
1-11-CA38 (6:55) Justin Forsett rushed for no gain.
2-11-CA38 (6:14) Touchdown. Nate Longshore passed to DeSean Jackson for 62 yards.
(6:14) Tom Schneider made the extra point.
CA 17 AZ 3, Plays: 5 Yards: 84 Possession: 02:26

-8 for not knowing dick about your team, Chimey.

420 · Post by **420** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:32 pm

My bad, since the TD was a screen pass to the sidelines, and it looked like a lateral.

Do you have a link to a RB in motion?

Didn't think so. Keep you mouth shut unless you can back up your claim.

420 · Post by **420** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:47 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:Pretty easy.

The team that was the best team in the Big 12 at the end of the season was the one that snapped off eight straight wins to close out the year, including winning at Texas A&M.

That's what I was thinking. Even if OU lost to a very average Pac 10 team(Oregon), and beat A&M by 1 point.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:47 pm

mTool just wants to confirm Kal's third straight MNC, with notable losses to:

- The best team in the SEC in the biggest September road game in the history of mankind
- The best team in the Pac-10
- The best team in Tucson, AZ

And now...

- The best team in the Big XII

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:49 pm

420 wrote:My bad, since the TD was a screen pass to the sidelines, and it looked like a lateral.

Do you have a link to a RB in motion?

Didn't think so. Keep you mouth shut unless you can back up your claim.

No, I don't link to conspiracy theories. My point was for every bad call against Cal, I bet they got one in their favor as well. I'm also sure there was holding on that play. Big fucking deal.

Good teams don't put themselves in positions to have officials cost them the game. Bitch all you want, but Cal lost to a shitty team.

420 · Post by **420** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:00 pm

Killian wrote:
Good teams don't put themselves in positions to have officials cost them the game.

OU fan... your thoughts?

Killian wrote:Bitch all you want, but Cal lost to a shitty team.

That shitty team would have rolled ND by at least 2 TD's!

But what would you know... since ND only plays shitty teams, and when they play a couple of good teams they get blown out by more than 3 TD's!!!!

Enjoy your "BCS" game... and another bowl loss, that we all can predict much to often.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:43 pm

^^^^^^^^

We can also predict the next DUD KAL NFL QB as well...that would be Longshore to go along with Boeller and company.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:03 pm

ATM presents some weird matchup problems for any D.....both in terms of scheme and with J. Lane and Goodson. If McGee's accuracy improved enough to establish a real threat...they would be a serious load on O.

they were much better on D than i thought they would be for the most part this year. they have talent, size and speed. with confidence, they are tough to beat. have not proven to be the same team on the road (minus beating UT) as at Kyle under Fran--though Fran has some iffy losses at Kyle as well.

they eat a lot of clock and shorten games.

didn't really come out and dominate a quality conference opponent but showed they could play with OU, NU, and beat UT in what is arguably a down year for the conference.

420 · Post by **420** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:17 pm

King Crimson wrote:ATM presents some weird matchup problems for any D.....both in terms of scheme and with J. Lane and Goodson. If McGee's accuracy improved enough to establish a real threat...they would be a serious load on O.

they were much better on D than i thought they would be for the most part this year. they have talent, size and speed. with confidence, they are tough to beat. have not proven to be the same team on the road (minus beating UT) as at Kyle under Fran--though Fran has some iffy losses at Kyle as well.

they eat a lot of clock and shorten games.

didn't really come out and dominate a quality conference opponent but showed they could play with OU, NU, and beat UT in what is arguably a down year for the conference.

Well said.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:24 pm

First of all, re: "good teams don't put themselves in position to let officials cost them the game," OU did NOT put itself in a position to allow the officials to cost us a game. The officials put us in that position by being incapable of doing their fucking jobs. It's not like we were down by 2 and a bad PI call put them in field goal range. The officals fucked up the onside call, the onside recovery, AND the PI call on the tipped pass... and continued to fuck them through the reviews, leading me to believe that, if an official is fucking you, he's GONNA finish, so take Knight's advice on that one.

Second. OU won the Big 12. That does not (necessarily) mean that they're the best team in the conference, but, given everything that they overcame this year, AND given the fact that they snapped off 8 in a row, I'd say that OU was the best team in the Big 12 at the end of the year. If Nebraska had beaten OU, would that have made THEM the best team in the Big 12? I dunno. Maybe...

Also, Texas didn't "lay a whoopin'" on OU. They won. We turned the ball over 5 times. I NEVER want to lose to Tejas, but, considering the way the rest of the season played out, I'll take it... this year.

the_ouskull

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:37 pm

Well if McCoy didn't get hurt then it easily would have been Texas, but reality is Oklahoma.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:20 pm

And if Bomar didn't get stupid and if AD didn't get hurt, and if we didn't turn the ball over 5 times, and if Mack had stayed at North Carolina, and if... shutthefuckup. See? OU lost THEIR best player this year too, for most of the season, and we still won the games we needed to win. You, on the other hand, couldn't hold serve, at YOUR house, against YOUR rival.

Wait, you had to lose TWO games for us to catch you though... Who was the other team that beat you? Oh, that's right, Kansas fucking State. Outstanding. THERE is your argument.

the_ouskull

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:25 pm

OU hands down

Not even close

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:23 am

the_ouskull wrote:And if Bomar didn't get stupid and if AD didn't get hurt, and if we didn't turn the ball over 5 times, and if Mack had stayed at North Carolina, and if... shutthefuckup. See? OU lost THEIR best player this year too, for most of the season, and we still won the games we needed to win. You, on the other hand, couldn't hold serve, at YOUR house, against YOUR rival.

Wait, you had to lose TWO games for us to catch you though... Who was the other team that beat you? Oh, that's right, Kansas fucking State. Outstanding. THERE is your argument.

the_ouskull

But when we played OU with their best player, we won 28-10. ....and the turnovers were caused by some pretty stellar play from our defense. Go back and watch the game. It was total domination. Cry me a river about turning it over 5 times but OU did it because they got physically beat by a better team.

Granted, that team was no where to be found in Manhattan and on T+1. The biggest difference was OU had a Senior playing QB and he had a very nice season. We played a freshman who also had a nice season. PT stayed healthy and we lost our leader and had no one to bail us out.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:35 pm

420 wrote:That shitty team would have rolled ND by at least 2 TD's!

But what would you know... since ND only plays shitty teams, and when they play a couple of good teams they get blown out by more than 3 TD's!!!!

Enjoy your "BCS" game... and another bowl loss, that we all can predict much to often.

Let me pull your card.....Link? Go ahead and link the USC and UofM scores, I'll come right back at your dumb ass with the UCLA score. You know, they beat USC so ND has to be better than USC, in your world.

How much did Cal lose to USC by? Or how bad were they getting their ass kicked by Tennessee before Fat Phil decided to stop jumping on Tedford's throat?

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:04 pm

didn't ND beat essentially the same Tennessee team last year?

Terry in Crapchester · Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:28 pm

Killian wrote:
420 wrote:That shitty team would have rolled ND by at least 2 TD's!

But what would you know... since ND only plays shitty teams, and when they play a couple of good teams they get blown out by more than 3 TD's!!!!

Enjoy your "BCS" game... and another bowl loss, that we all can predict much to often.
Let me pull your card.....Link? Go ahead and link the USC and UofM scores, I'll come right back at your dumb ass with the UCLA score. You know, they beat USC so ND has to be better than USC, in your world.

How much did Cal lose to USC by? Or how bad were they getting their ass kicked by Tennessee before Fat Phil decided to stop jumping on Tedford's throat?

Let's not forget that Kal was lucky to escape Stanford with a win. You know, the Stanford team that won one game all season and got rolled by ND.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:49 am

looking on ebay and found this old poster.

talk about old school big8

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:24 am

Adelpiero wrote:looking on ebay and found this old poster.

talk about old school big8

I had the full size poster in 1969 I believe it was.
I've always wished I'd saved it.
I do have a newpaper print in a scrape book.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:44 am

Harvdog wrote:
the_ouskull wrote:And if Bomar didn't get stupid and if AD didn't get hurt, and if we didn't turn the ball over 5 times, and if Mack had stayed at North Carolina, and if... shutthefuckup. See? OU lost THEIR best player this year too, for most of the season, and we still won the games we needed to win. You, on the other hand, couldn't hold serve, at YOUR house, against YOUR rival.

Wait, you had to lose TWO games for us to catch you though... Who was the other team that beat you? Oh, that's right, Kansas fucking State. Outstanding. THERE is your argument.

the_ouskull
But when we played OU with their best player, we won 28-10. ....and the turnovers were caused by some pretty stellar play from our defense. Go back and watch the game. It was total domination. Cry me a river about turning it over 5 times but OU did it because they got physically beat by a better team.

Granted, that team was no where to be found in Manhattan and on T+1. The biggest difference was OU had a Senior playing QB and he had a very nice season. We played a freshman who also had a nice season. PT stayed healthy and we lost our leader and had no one to bail us out.

the recovered "lateral" for a TD was a missed call by the ref (look up the rule), and the fumble by Peterson was him putting the ball on the ground to try to stay balanced.....so neither of those were "stellar" play. i'm not going to dispute Texas made the plays to win that game, but yer rah rah view of that game is a bit silly. "dominated"? OU outstatted UT.

and your senior/freshman comparison is equally hilarious--OU's "senior" was a converted WR who got run down by every media outlet in the US after being named started in August.

i will agree that a healthy UT team was probably the best team in the conference this year.....but in the end, so what? UT got beat by OU in 01 and went the conference championship with a shot to play in the BCS game and giftwrapped a W for Colorado with first half turnovers, i didn't see you on here posting OU was the better team in 01.

Oklahoma won the conference on the field. that's that.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:14 am

Killian wrote:
420 wrote:That shitty team would have rolled ND by at least 2 TD's!

But what would you know... since ND only plays shitty teams, and when they play a couple of good teams they get blown out by more than 3 TD's!!!!

Enjoy your "BCS" game... and another bowl loss, that we all can predict much to often.
Let me pull your card.....Link? Go ahead and link the USC and UofM scores, I'll come right back at your dumb ass with the UCLA score. You know, they beat USC so ND has to be better than USC, in your world.

How much did Cal lose to USC by? Or how bad were they getting their ass kicked by Tennessee before Fat Phil decided to stop jumping on Tedford's throat?

lost in mtool's gibberish is that a shitty team would've no doubt beaten notre dame, a team that built its reputation by beating shitty teams that would roll them if they happened to ever play..

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:10 am

Harvdog wrote:But when we played OU with their best player, we won 28-10. ....and the turnovers were caused by some pretty stellar play from our defense. Go back and watch the game. It was total domination. Cry me a river about turning it over 5 times but OU did it because they got physically beat by a better team.

Granted, that team was no where to be found in Manhattan and on T+1. The biggest difference was OU had a Senior playing QB and he had a very nice season. We played a freshman who also had a nice season. PT stayed healthy and we lost our leader and had no one to bail us out.

"No one to bail us out?" It's not like we went and grabbed some guy off of the street to play QB. We plugged in a QB who hadn't played in a while. Tejas could have done the same thing... That "Senior" that OU put in at QB hadn't EVER been a starter, and hadn't even played QB for 2 straight springs...

Now, onto the "domination" comment... Yeah, it was:

First Downs: 13/13
Rushing Yards: 124/124
Passing Yards: 209/108
Total Yards: 333/232
3rd Down Conversations: 8 of 16 / 3 of 10
TOP: 32:09 / 27:51
Yards Per Play: 5.3/4.6
Penalties: 11 for 72 / 3 for 30
Turnovers: 5 / 0

The number on the LEFT of each slash is OU's... Tell me again, please, how Tejas DOMINATED that game? They dominated the turnover battle, which wasn't really a battle so much as a drunk spider monkey trying to hump a lubed-up kneecap.

Tejas WON the game... and rightfully deserved to, but they didn't DOMINATE shit.

the_ouskull

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:20 pm

Well, t.u. DID dominate in a Kal/m2 sorta way...

Please don't stoop to the "who had the better stats" BODE. You guys are better than that.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:15 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:Well, t.u. DID dominate in a Kal/m2 sorta way...

Please don't stoop to the "who had the better stats" BODE. You guys are better than that.

i'm not stooping to that. i'm just saying that OU got "dominated" is a bit of an overstatement. OU got beat by Texas, plain and simple. UT made the plays in the second half to win. "dominated" is the 00 or 03 RRS. or 77-0. :wink:

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:40 pm

Well, I'd say both defenses dominated each other's offense in some aspect. For OU, it was holding t.u. to 232 yards. For t.u., it was forcing 5 turnovers, even if one was questionable, there's 4 more and they capitalized on them.

And yes, I see two posters above claiming stat bode. That is stooping.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:58 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:Well, I'd say both defenses dominated each other's offense in some aspect. For OU, it was holding t.u. to 232 yards. For t.u., it was forcing 5 turnovers, even if one was questionable, there's 4 more and they capitalized on them.

And yes, I see two posters above claiming stat bode. That is stooping.

yer reaching. you want to defend your one win over UT in the last 5 years so badly....it's coloring your vision.

i said: UT won the game by making plays (and the lateral call was a wrong interpretation of the rules). and winning the second half.

neither Skull or I said OU should have won, we simply said we didn't get dominated.

i've seen MUCH worse on ATM boards every time you lose to OU, UT, and Tech.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:32 pm

I'm not defending anything for A&M.

OU won the conference fair and square. They deserve to be where they are at and so do we. Hell, I thought we deserved the Alamo, but I'll take the Holiday as a gift.

Of course, both bowls suck, but they are better than the No Bowl we went to last year.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:36 pm

naw, the holiday is OK. do us all a favor and beat Cal.

gig'em.

Harvdog · Post by **Harvdog** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:43 pm

It is funny how things change when OU is the benefactor. I remember 2001 well. We lost to a better OU team. I have watched the highlight of RW so many times that it makes me sick. Yet, OU lost 2 games and didn't play for the BIG XII. Who was the best team in the Big XII in 2001? It was Nebraska. We had our shot and lost on the field to CU. Did that stop the OU fans making comments about how we didn't "deserve" to play for it cause they won the game? NO.

If "outgaining" the opponent makes one the better team then Hawaii would be national champions this year. If I am not mistaken, OU got 60 of their yards on one pass. Basically it was a typical smash mouth game. Texas won by 18. To sit here and bitch and whine like a bunch of little girls about 2 calls is typical. You guys love to talk shit about other teams and run guys when they pull the same shit. If Jon was in here claiming scoreboard for yards you would make him the all time board bitch.

The lateral you cry about was a just that, a lateral. It did not go forward. Thus, making it a live ball. I was surprised that OU didn't play to the whistle since they teach you that in pee wee ball. As for the fumble...learn your rules before you run your mouth.

According to the NCAA rules, "The ball is declard dead when any part of the runner's body, except his hand or foot,touches the ground or when the runner is tackled or otherwise falls and loses possesion of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his body, except his hand or foot." AD touches the ground with his hand and the ball came out therefore it was a fumble.

T1B

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