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SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:05 am

Ron Powlus is going to be Jimmy Claussens coach in South Bend?

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:01 pm

Yeah, so what? If anyone knows how to deal with high expectations it may be Powlus. Besides, most of the best coaches weren't necessarily the best players. How many national championship rings or superbowl rings does Pete Carroll have as a player? Sarkissian? Kiffin? Magic Johnson and Bill Russell were fantastic players but horrible coaches. I'm not sure I understand your point. Or was there one?

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:21 pm

Isiah Thomas, enough said.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:34 pm

Claussen will win 3 Heisman Trophies...

Regards,

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:38 pm

Always fresh, never cooked.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:23 pm

The funny thing is that people think that Powlus was a failure because he didn't live up to that fat fuck's stupid prediction. Until Quinn came through, he owned most every major passing record at ND. Injuries ruined his career.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:55 pm

Not to mention the fact that he was a pocket passer forced to run the option. Yeah...that's his fault.

I'm sorry So. Cal...but before Carson Palmer please name me one decent QB to come out of $C.......Brad Otton, Scott Tinsley, John Mazur, Kyle Wascholtz, I'll wait.....I'd rather have Powlus than any of those stiffs.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:05 pm

Laxplayer wrote:Not to mention the fact that he was a pocket passer forced to run the option. Yeah...that's his fault.
I'm sorry So. Cal...but before Carson Palmer please name me one decent QB to come out of $C.......Brad Otton, Scott Tinsley, John Mazur, Kyle Wascholtz, I'll wait.....I'd rather have Powlus than any of those stiffs.

how about john fox? he was a converted TE, wasn't he?

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:44 pm

Killian wrote:The funny thing is that people think that Powlus was a failure because he didn't live up to that fat fuck's stupid prediction. Until Quinn came through, he owned most every major passing record at ND. Injuries ruined his career.

i almost posted earlier, Powlus was a good to very good CFB QB. he's not *the* posterchild for underachieving to me.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:09 am

that option play holtz ran was a qb killer if you weren't an athletic qb. powlus wasn't, and it looked ugly as he tried to run it.

mirer was athletic, and he ran it smoothly, as was tony rice, ronny was nowhere near the same qb, and he was screwd for that. holtz would run that stupid play into the ground and ron would get crushed, he would have to pitch it immediately to soften the crunch he took.

holtz fucked up powlus bigtime, played to his weakness(see pinkel turning smith into a passer), instead of his strengths.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:56 am

Laxplayer wrote:Not to mention the fact that he was a pocket passer forced to run the option. Yeah...that's his fault.
I'm sorry So. Cal...but before Carson Palmer please name me one decent QB to come out of $C.......Brad Otton, Scott Tinsley, John Mazur, Kyle Wascholtz, I'll wait.....I'd rather have Powlus than any of those stiffs.

I think the only other USC QB to amount to anything prior to Palmer and Leinart was probably Rodney Peete. He didn't haven't a great NFL career but I think he's probably the best guy they had during that period.

Powlus was a good QB but as Killian said, Beano's bold prediction set him up from Day 1 to not live up that kind of hype. We should all be smart enough at this point to never buy into hype before a player even plays a game. If you just look at how he did, Powlus was a quality college QB.

socal · Post by **socal** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:22 pm

And prior to Peete, Pat Haden. Yes, the same Pat Haden that now latches on to ND's nutsacks in the booth for NBC.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:10 pm

socal wrote:And prior to Peete, Pat Haden. Yes, the same Pat Haden that now latches on to ND's nutsacks in the booth for NBC.

Pat: (3rd and 7): "......AND THAT'S A 3 YARD GAIN FOR THE IRISH! !!!!".

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:02 pm

Shoalzie wrote:
Laxplayer wrote:Not to mention the fact that he was a pocket passer forced to run the option. Yeah...that's his fault.
I'm sorry So. Cal...but before Carson Palmer please name me one decent QB to come out of $C.......Brad Otton, Scott Tinsley, John Mazur, Kyle Wascholtz, I'll wait.....I'd rather have Powlus than any of those stiffs.

I think the only other USC QB to amount to anything prior to Palmer and Leinart was probably Rodney Peete. He didn't haven't a great NFL career but I think he's probably the best guy they had during that period.

Powlus was a good QB but as Killian said, Beano's bold prediction set him up from Day 1 to not live up that kind of hype. We should all be smart enough at this point to never buy into hype before a player even plays a game. If you just look at how he did, Powlus was a quality college QB.

There was this kid named Bobby Sabelhaus......parade all-american broke all the Maryland passing records......dud.

See You Next Wednesday · Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:22 pm

Geez, how could you guys forget the great Sean Salisbury.

Husker4ever · Post by **Husker4ever** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:18 am

Killian wrote:The funny thing is that people think that Powlus was a failure because he didn't live up to that fat fuck's stupid prediction. Until Quinn came through, he owned most every major passing record at ND. Injuries ruined his career.

Under Powlus, Notre Dame will win 3 MNC's the first 4 years along with Powlus winning coach of the year 5 times. (He will get a double award the year of his first title....year number one).

I talked with Beano and we're both calling our shots right now.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:12 am

See You Next Wednesday wrote:Geez, how could you guys forget the great Sean Salisbury.

Salisbury was before Rodney Peete
since Peete the Trojans had
Pat O'Hara
Todd Marinovich
Rob Johnson
Kyle Wacholtz
Brad Otton
Carson Palmer
John Fox
Mike Van Raphorst
Brandon Hance
Matt Cassel
Matt Leinart
and now
John Booty at QB

There was a black QB that started the season after Marinovich left (after his sophomore year) whose last name is Perry, he started a few games then Johnson took over as a true Freshman and Perry went on to play DB... I cant remeber his first name though

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:13 am

Forgot about Rob Johnson...

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:38 am

I think Fuente had a couple. I know he was responsible for one of my worst hangovers ever. Is THAT a record?

the_ouskull

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:50 am

...and who beat Tejas when we came into the game 0-4 versus their 4-0. Many pledges thanked God on that day, I'll tell ya. :D

the_ouskull

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:52 am

Powlus was a good college QB. If he would have went to a pass happy school he would have probably thrown for close to 10K yards. It's no his fault Beano Cook had a man crush on him.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:15 am

Don't care. He didn't lose it and we fuckin' beat Tejas. :D

the_ouskull

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:35 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:
Killian wrote:The funny thing is that people think that Powlus was a failure because he didn't live up to that fat fuck's stupid prediction. Until Quinn came through, he owned most every major passing record at ND. Injuries ruined his career.
Until Josh Heupel came along, every major OU passing record was held by either Cale Gundy, Eric Moore, or McGee. Just saying.

hell, my uncle held OU's bowl game passing record from playing one half after Bobby Warmack got hurt in the 68 Bluebonnet Bowl....he scorched SMU for like 140 yards in a near comeback win. that record was solid all through the 70's and 80's.

my Dad's younger brother is the guy Jack Mildren beat out for the starting gig. straight out of Perry, Oklahoma.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:09 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:
Killian wrote:The funny thing is that people think that Powlus was a failure because he didn't live up to that fat fuck's stupid prediction. Until Quinn came through, he owned most every major passing record at ND. Injuries ruined his career.
Until Josh Heupel came along, every major OU passing record was held by either Cale Gundy, Eric Moore, or McGee. Just saying.

Apples and oranges. OU was almost always a run-first program prior to the Stoops era. By contrast, Powlus was preceded as QB at ND by, among others, Angelo Bertelli, Johnny Lujack, Paul Hornung, John Huarte, Joe Theismann, Joe Montana, Steve Beuerlein and Rick Mirer. The first four all won the Heisman.

Just saying.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:17 pm

alisbury was before Rodney Peete
since Peete the Trojans had
Pat O'Hara
Todd Marinovich
Rob Johnson
Kyle Wacholtz
Brad Otton
Carson Palmer
John Fox
Mike Van Raphorst
Brandon Hance
Matt Cassel
Matt Leinart
and now
John Booty at QB

You made my point. Hell Marijuanavich came in under a ton of pressure and look what happened to him. I'd take Powlus over 90% of those illustrious $C guys any day of the week. outside of Palmer and Whineart.
So instead of ripping on someone who's making something out of their live unlike Toddy M, why not go find something better to do. Go play with yourself looking at your Pete Carrol bobble head doll or something.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:28 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:Salisbury was before Rodney Peete
since Peete the Trojans had
Pat O'Hara
Todd Marinovich
Rob Johnson
Kyle Wacholtz
Brad Otton
Carson Palmer
John Fox
Mike Van Raphorst
Brandon Hance
Matt Cassel
Matt Leinart
and now
John Booty at QB

There was a black QB that started the season after Marinovich left (after his sophomore year) whose last name is Perry, he started a few games then Johnson took over as a true Freshman and Perry went on to play DB... I cant remeber his first name though

You left out Carson Palmer, btw.

Peete left after the '88 season, IIRC. I realize that 'SC football was in a down period for some of that time, but that's still a tremendous amount of turnover at QB in that amount of time. By comparison, ND had the following QB's at #1 on the depth chart since the start of the '89 season:

Tony Rice
Rick Mirer
Kevin McDougal
Ron Powlus
Jarious Jackson
Arnaz Battle
Matt LoVecchio
Carlyle Holliday
Brady Quinn

Battle and Holliday both eventually were converted to WR. LoVecchio transferred to Indiana after being benched in favor of Holliday.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:49 pm

not a ton of turnover at QB, O'Hara was Peetes back up, blew out his his knee and Marinovich stepped in and started as a Freshman.
Wacholtz came in as a recruit the same year as Johnson and played his redshirt senior year after Johnson was a 4 year starter, Otton shared time with Wacholtz with one playing the first half and the other the second half of each game that year and then otton started the next year himself.
Fox started a game or two as a sophomore and then was replaced by Palmer who was a Freshman, Fox then switched to TE and was the holder on kicks, after palmer was hurt and Van Raphorst was ineffective, Fox came in and beat UCLA.
Hance and Cassel were mostly back ups.

after Peete, SC had Marinovich for 2 years, Johnson for 4 years, Otton for 2 years, Palmer for 5 years (medical redshirt) Leinart for 3 years and now Booty

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:13 pm

This is all fine and dandy but socal still hasn't defended his position that Powlus is going to be a bad QB coach, or that this is a bad hire by ND.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:23 pm

Laxplayer wrote:This is all fine and dandy but socal still hasn't defended his position that Powlus is going to be a bad QB coach, or that this is a bad hire by ND.

In fairness, the original post was . . .

Ron Powlus is going to be Jimmy Claussens coach in South Bend?

So I don't think he was necessarily saying that Powlus was a bad hire. Rather, I think the point of his comment was that he found it somewhat ironic that Powlus was Claussen's QB coach, given the hype that both Powlus and Claussen encountered when they first chose ND, combined with the fact that Powlus never completely lived up to that hype.

To me, the most objectionable point about his post is South Bend. For about the 1 billionth time, ND is not located in South Bend. And, as I posted in connection with the Duke lacrosse rape controversy, there's a real disconnect, bordering upon hostility, between ND students and the townies in South Bend. But given that the media always refers to ND being in South Bend, I suppose that isn't entirely Schmick's fault.

Having said all of the above, I'm not entirely sure what Powlus' qualifications are, coaching-wise. Certainly, he'll be able to empathize with Claussen's situation. But if his coaching credentials are as minimal as I suspect, ND's fanbase would be hopping mad at this hire for anyone without a connection to ND. Time will tell whether it was the right hire.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:24 pm

Where was it mentioned that Powlus was going to be a bad QB coach? I was simply asking if that was correct information, you added the part about him being a bad coach.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:28 pm

Where the heck is Notre Dame if not South Bend?

Notre Dame is located in a happy, special, magical land where candy hangs from trees, fat guys with no significant wins are treated like gods, and three loss teams are suckled-upon by writers across the nation.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:32 pm

I was under the impression that you started this thread with the intent of poking fun at the fact the Powlus was going to be JC's QB coach. I guess you intended the thread one way and I took it another.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:37 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:Where the heck is Notre Dame if not South Bend?

Seriously, I didn't know that Notre Dame wasn't in South Bend.

The Notre Dame campus is located outside of South Bend city limits. It has its own post office address (not South Bend). The mailing address for a student who lives on campus is Notre Dame, Indiana.

So technically, it's in Notre Dame, Indiana.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:03 am

South Bend isn't good enough for them.

Conferences aren't good enough for them.

ABC,FOX, ESPN, CBS, aren't good enough for them....

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:27 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:South Bend isn't good enough for them.

It's not about South Bend not being good enough for us, it's about reporting truthfully and accurately. ND is not in South Bend. I'm sure you'd get bent if someone said that the University of Michigan was in Detroit.

You might argue that it's a minor mistake, and you're not necessarily wrong about that, but string enough minor mistakes together, and you wind up with a major mistake.

Conferences aren't good enough for them.

Again, it's not that conferences aren't good enough for us. Rather, it's about preserving an important part of our tradition.

As tradition-laden as your program is, I would expect you to understand that.

ABC, FOX, ESPN, CBS, aren't good enough for them....

You obviously don't visit the ND homer boards much. Most of the posters at ND Nation would give their left nuts to have ND dump NBC in favor of FOX.

WTF? I realize NBC's football coverage is horribly outdated (although it did improve last year when NBC got Sunday night NFL games), but FOX???? Personally, I don't want Jimmah's Big Boy in the pre- and post-game booths, nor do I want Jeannie Zelasko on our sidelines. And I'd just as soon have nothing to do with the network that gave us such godawful programming as Melrose Place and American Idol.

Terry in Crapchester · Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:38 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:South Bend isn't good enough for them.

Fwiw, there was a discussion recently at ND Nation on the relationship between ND and South Bend. Link.

There were actually some good points made in the discussion. My take, fwiw . . .

ND's campus was constructed far enough from South Bend, particularly by mid-19th century pre-automobile standards, to make South Bend relatively inaccessible to ND students. You could say that those standards should no longer apply. But given that about 85% of ND's undergrads, and far more than 90% of freshmen through juniors, live on-campus. that freshmen are required to live on-campus and first-semester freshmen aren't allowed to have a car at school, you have a lot of factors perpetuating that divide.

Another factor furthering the divide between ND and South Bend is socioeconomic. South Bend was once an important manufacturing area, but economically has lagged behind the rest of the country on a consistent basis since the 1950's. ND is a private school, and as a result, a significant portion of its student body is considerably wealthier than the South Bend populace, and a significant portion of the student body is not from that particular geographic area. That furthers the divide between students and townies.

Not to mention that ND's student body enrollment is too small to allow ND to have a significant influence over South Bend as a whole. Football weekends in the fall provide a significant infusion into the local economy, but with only 6-7 per year that's not enough to make a huge difference.

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